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Posted: 3/5/2008 3:39:17 PM | Fleishcman and Green and another pick for Robert Lang come to mind. Not to mention last years bad play for Bertuzzi givng up Shawn Matthias and 2 picks. Jason williams to Chicago for Kyle Calder. there's 6 bodies that aren't with the club this year but didn't help them win a Cup last year either. Red Wings are looking pretty old these days, and a lot of their cupboard is now bare. They just finished giving up another two picks for Stuart. So i'm not sure at all where you're coming from sticking to this story of yours that the Red Wings aren't willing to go for it every year.
That goes back all the way to 99 when they gave up a ton and a half to bring in Wendel Calrke, Todd gill, Ulf samuelson and chelly and, as someone else pointed out, ranford.. They need to count their blessing that late late draft picks like Holmstrom (257th), Zetterburg (210th) and Datsyuk (171st) have panned out so well, because they have more than shot their bolt most years at the deadline, so you can scrap that arguement as quick as you like about the Red Wings. The more it's said, the dumber it sounds. Period..
detroit was in a much better position to make these trades.might i also bring up franzen,kronwall,cleary,hudler,filpulla,samuelson.these are all players that have been developed to play for detroit one way or enother.they develope their players,and add to them when it makes sense.it might not work all the time,but it made sense that they had a chance to take a risk.washington is not in that position to take a chance. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2008 4:47:44 PM | """...washington is not in that position to take a chance..."""
Allright. Thats your story and you're stickin' to it. That's fine. There's risks in any deals, but these one's don't look too chancy to not swing in order to get a club into the playoffs.. Me, I like what they tried to do here. This clubs posted one of the best records in the NHL since Boudreau came on board and they've been missing three regulars half the time doing it.. So much so that he's now a very strong candidate for coach of the year, provided they make it into the playoffs. That's wasted if they don't get there by giving it their best shot.
Like he says:"""Remember, Michael Nylander, Chris Clark and Brian Pothier all have missed a significant amount of time, and we have hung tough in their absence. The hope is that the players we obtained at the trade deadline will give us the necessary extra push to make the playoffs. I have faith in our team."""
So they're hanging in in their first playoff race in years, and they have one of, if not the, most exciting playesr to watch. I like what they've done there. They've got tons of youth there, and to solifiy their goaltending for the playoff run, it cost them a second round pick, which, as mentioned, was considered all around the NHL, as a real bargain.
Olie's fighting the puck. You could see it in the game against the leafs Saturday night. i got to watch him up close ten years ago when no one expected the 98 Caps to go the Finals, or anywhere for that matter. As much as I like Kolzig, his numbers just aren't there this year. Huet's going to solidify the goaltending to get them into the playoffs. Don't be so sure they have no chance at anything. I'm sure the bruins are licking their wounds from the other night. And the Caps swept the season series over last year's Eastern Conference Champs. And they're still not healthy.
These could be the moves they need to capture themselves the SouthEast Division which is another feather in their cap in terms of selling the game in Washington. They're a good club to watch. Huet's gonna help get them into the playoffs and that's what they really want right now. All of those young kids to get a taste of playoff hockey without really selling the farm to get there. Even though they're running herd on leafs plans of getting into the playofffs, i kinda like watching them play.
They needed a lift and the GM provided that, at little cost to the future of the organization in my opinion. But whatever. Life's a gamble. Boudreau deserves recognition for the job he's done. Just on that alone, I credit McPhee for being a buyer on deadline day. To each their own i guess. | |
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Posted: 3/6/2008 1:09:28 PM | | as ussual you make a good arguement sly.now for me,i would have kept the prospects and signed huet in the off season.i am sure boudreu would have understood.the game has got so,that drafting is more important then ever,those second rounders are gold.columbus was still in the race when they traded federov.i am quite sure hitchcock was part of the move.as for as selling the game,nothing sells the game better then building a strong franchise.unless of course your team resides in toronto.then you can do what ever you want . | |
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Posted: 3/6/2008 2:29:58 PM | Well, like i said last night, everyone's entitled to their opinions. Speaking of opinions, here's a few more from around the hockey world. But i sometimes wonder if some of these guys really know anymore than most of us.
""" THE WINNERS
#1.Washington Capitals
Not only did the Caps add a goaltender they needed (Cristobal Huet), but they also replaced injured center Michael Nylander with fellow vet Fedorov and swapped underachieving wingers with Vancouver (dealing Matt Pettinger for Matt Cooke). All they gave up was Anaheim's second-round pick in 2009, defensive prospect Ted Ruth and Pettinger. Huet and Fedorov could make a major impact in D.C. down the stretch.
http://forecaster.canada.com/faceoff/hockey/extras.cgi?nhl-desk-feb27-2008
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The Hockey News:
"""...The easiest pick for short-term winner is the Washington Capitals, who got what should be a significant boost to their playoff hopes this season with the acquisitions of goalie Cristobal Huet and forwards Sergei Fedorov and Matt Cooke.
Huet joined the Capitals with a better record than incumbent starter Olaf Kolzig, plus the presence of the affable Frenchman, with a shutout in his debut as a Capital, seems to have pushed Kolzig to elevate his game. Fedorov and Cooke, meanwhile, provide valuable experience and leadership for a young Capitals team lacking both.
GM George McPhee paid very little (Matt Pettinger, college prospect, Theo Ruth, and a 2009 second-round pick) to land these three, so even if he fails to re-sign Huet, Fedorov and Cooke this summer, he didn’t gut his club’s future for a quick fix."""
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/13982-Rumor-Roundup-Deadline-dissection.html
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The Hockey news again:
"""...Winners:
Washington: The pressure has been on Capitals GM George McPhee all season to get his team into the playoffs. He'll have a much easier time of it after bringing in three veterans -- goalie Cristobal Huet, center Sergei Fedorov and winger Matt Cooke -- to aid in the push.
Huet is the most important addition, but don't count out the off-ice contributions of Fedorov, who will serve as a mentor of sorts for Washington's Russian forwards, or Cooke, who'll amp up their sandpaper quotient.
As noted in our trade-deadline day coverage, I see the Caps now as odds-on favorites to win the Southeast Division.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?page=screenshots080229
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Impact-o-meter: 8.5
Huet Montreal sends Cristobal Huet to Washington for a second-round draft pick
This is one of three deals Washington GM George McPhee made that will give the Caps every opportunity to return to the playoffs for the first time since 2003. As much as Olaf Kolzig has been a long-standing rock for the Caps, Huet gives Washington a sizable upgrade at a crucial juncture of the season.
Fedorov to Washington for Ted Ruth
This deal might have more pizzazz if it was Fedorov for Babe Ruth, but we digress. This is another interesting acquisition for McPhee, who pulled a couple of rabbits out of his hat Tuesday (Huet and scrappy Matt Cooke from Vancouver being the other). Fedorov is long removed from his days as a Hart Trophy winner, but he still skates beautifully and should fit in nicely with coach Bruce Boudreau's up-tempo, attack-the-puck style.
It'll help if Fedorov gets to play a bit with Alexander Ovechkin; but even if he plays with Alexander Semin and Tomas Fleischmann on the team's second line, it should give the Caps two decent attacking units. Taking pressure off Ovechkin will be key in making the playoffs and sticking around for awhile. Ruth, a defenseman, is another prospect Howson can throw on the pile. The 46th overall pick in last summer's draft, Ruth has three points in 31 games for Notre Dame.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=burnside_scott&id=3266273
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In Washington, Huet will provide more stability in goal, where Olaf Kolzig is in his third-straight season posting a goals against average over 3.00, and his .888 save percentage is his lowest mark since 1995-1996.
That being the case, Huet will most likely improve Washington's goaltending, giving them a chance to reach the playoffs and the cost of a draft pick isn't that significant for that kind of acquisition.
Trade #12:
Capitals deal LW Matt Pettinger to Canucks for LW Matt Cooke
Two decent checking wingers and, even though he's scored just two goals this season, Pettinger has more offensive ability (having scored 36 over the previous two seasons). Cooke has more of an edge to his game and he's one of the most aggravating players in the league and that's meant as a compliment. Cooke will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, whereas Pettinger has one more year, at $1.1-million, left on his deal, giving the Capitals better long-term value out of this swap.
http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/columnists/scott_cullen/?ID=230630
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I understand what you're saying about building a successful franchise. At some point though you have to say, hey, we're not that bad right now that we couldn't take a legitimate shot at making some noise before this season's over. A round or possible more of playoffs just increases next year's ticket sales, as well as add pure profit dollars into the ownerships hands to put back into the franchise, as well as giving a very young hockey club tons of playoff savvy for future years. We see the east every night here the way you see the west every night out there probably. There' really is no clear cut favorite in the east.
There's honestly not a lot to choose from amongst all the clubs in the east to be able to pick a stand-out favorite. They've all had their turns at running hot and cold. Caps are only getting stronger every game they play because they're still coming together as a club already loaded with talented youth. They gave up next to nothing to make it in this year and McPhee and Leonsis have the right idea being excited about this hockey club. Backstrom, Ovechkin, Green, Laish, Erskine, all these guys are just getting better and better with each passing week. With each and every win they start to realize they can compete well with the rest of the east. They are playing with a pump on right now and it's exciting to see. They execute fundamentals well and that's to Boudreau's credit.
Federov has been logging 20 shifts a night already to replace a much-needed to be replaced injured Nylander. Cooke gives them grit to match up with Ruutu who Carolina got. Huet should put them over the top in their drive to the playoffs for the first time in 5 years. It's not often in the history of the Caps that Kolzig hasn't been able to carry the mail, but he looks tired, and he turns 38 next month and has faced a lot of rubber again this year. Shaving half a goal off the caps bottom line would have already put them well into the playoff mix. To me they could be a playoff claibre team, so it only makes sense to see them trying to get there. The second round pick isn't their one, but of the Ducks, which means it'll be around the 55-60th selection. from 2000 to 2004, only 8 of those 25 players picked in that spot have made the big leagues, including: Brandon Dubinsky, Patrick O'Sullivan, Matt Stajan and Jiri Hudler. But you never know with the draft.
Like i say, at some point you have to allow yourself the possibility that you do have a good squad and put some final touches on this year's excitement without jeopardizing next year. Caps have shaved their goals against down from 3.1 to 2.9 already in 4 games, and Federov's winning 70% of his faceoffs. If the leafs don't make it, i'd like to see the Caps get there. they're on pace to be the first team in 20 years to have the highest goal scoring forward and defenceman on the same club.
I doubt there's many clubs in the east that would want to hook up with the Capitals for series starting in April. The east is not that formidable that the caps shouldn't feel the least bit intimaidated about any club in the east being better than them up and down their present roster.
One thing to remember about the east. Seldom does the regular season champ represent the east in the finals anymore. Since the Strangers finished first overall in 93/94 only three times has it happened. Anybody rememebr the Caps in 98, the Sabres in 99, or the rats in Florida in 96?
Anybody can still come out of the east. Provided they get to the playoffs. carolina's hangin' tough though. they apparently haven't lost a game since brind'amour went down. Unreal.
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Meanwhile, how about those Chicago Blackhawks last night! Savard's got that young bunch really cooking with gas now. Ducks tried like hell to intimidate the crap out of them in the first period. But it didn't work and their kid playing his first NHL game shut them out.
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Posted: 3/6/2008 5:09:34 PM | | Hawks are expecting 22,000 fans for ther game tomorrow night, when they honour Bobby Hull and Stan Makita. I guess the only sad part about that story is that it took the team 30 years to have a night honouring those two legends. | |
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Posted: 3/6/2008 9:13:34 PM | Kind of odd why they chose a game against San Jose unless the date means something. Hawks are playing a lot of Sunday matinee games at home this month. Had folks known in advance how much the franchise would rebound this season, the networks would have been smart to pick up this game Sunday afternoon and maybe do the tribute then. They could have switched off the upcoming Red Wing game for the Oiler's to have an Origianl 6 matchup and maybe have Gordie Howe on hand.
Push it back an hour after the Caps/Pens game that's supposed to be airing on the national circuit the same day. That would be a pretty good day of hockey on Sunday in late winter in the States.
Or, the smart marketting guys at the NHL could stick with the original Oilers matchup and sell the whole package as a double-header Sunday of a lot of the young guns in the new NHL. Stop and think of all the great young talent on those 4 clubs right now. Lots of possible young future Hall of Famers in those 2 games. Myself i really like this kid Green with the Caps. If he turns out to be the real deal, he's going to be somewhere between an Orr, a Coffey and a Potvin. The guy can wheel for a defenceman.
It's good to see the Blackhawk franchise alive again. They probably have the loudest fans in the league when they pack 'em in. At least they used to years ago at the old Chicago Stadium with the old organ going on up in the rafters. Seriously exciting place to watch hockey. I can't even remember what number Makita wore anymore. I was thinking 7 but I think that was Pit Martin. | |
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Posted: 3/6/2008 10:02:02 PM | Pretty sure Makita was 21.
I remember growing up as a Habs fan ... the only team that ever scared me in the playoffs was Chicago. Theire fans, their jersey....that organ ... would have loved to have seen an NHL game in that rink.
As for the Sunday matinee, I would think that this Sunday's Pittsburgh/Washington game was the easiest game in the entire schedule to pencil in at the beginning of the season. Doesn't matter if the Blackhawks were playing Jesus and the disciples. Crosby & co. vs. Ovechkin on American TV? Bettman has probably been having wet dreams about it all week - especially now that Corsby is back in the line-up. | |
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Posted: 3/7/2008 6:44:36 AM | Yup, Makita was #21. I used to enjoy chewing my nails and watching that booming shot from the Golden Jet. still just Bobby Hull that far back
Tough not to notice Makita back then too. I think he was born in the Hawks dressing room, and he'll be buried there one day. kidding
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Posted: 3/7/2008 5:50:02 PM | Well if we're goin' down memory lane here, , I rememeber cutting out the color pictures in the newspaper of the bloody battles Hull used to have with Dirty Fergy in the old Forum. Hull could scrap. Fergy always came after him and Hull never backed down. They were always both a bloody mess every time they hooked up. It was almost a ritual. Fergy and Hull would beat each other to a pulp.
Back in the world of today, Ducks get themselves some bad news. Sounds like Perry could miss the opening round of the playoffs. Bobby Ryan coming up. 6 weeks for Perry with a cut tendon according to Burke.
Sens slide continues, getting shut out in LA last night by another goalie making his first start. I think that's the third one this week for goalies. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2008 7:01:45 AM | | Got a few years on me. not many, but enough that my memories of Ferguson are only second-hand. I didn't watch much hockey til nearly '70 and then it was largely to see what the heck Grandma was doin' all the hollering/throwing stuff over, but the name "Fergy" DEFINITELY rings a bell. Dryden showing up and being INCREDIBLE would likely be one of my earlier big memories. The big M, and his little brother with the great hands, around then too. Game sure has changed alot over even them few decades | |
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Posted: 3/8/2008 7:57:44 AM | """...Game sure has changed alot over even them few decades..."""
A lot of it's still the same game though, but some aspects have changed for sure. Goalies didn't wear masks when i first started watching. Only Plante had one, and then i think Gilles Villemure of the Strangers got one and then Cheesey Cheevers got one where he kept marking the stitches on it where he would have got stitiches had he not had a mask on. Bobby Hull used to do the Ford Meteor commercials thru the game Saturday nights, or you got the tiger tail in your tank with Esso commercials. Put a tiger in your tank.
I remember Glenn Hall being Horatio at the bridge in 68 and 69 for the Blues in the Finals in their annual 4 game sweeps by the Habs with the Gumper in the nets for the Habs. One day Hall got so frustrated with the habs he just broke his big goaliestick into lots of little pieces over the crossbar after letting in another goal to them. Scotty Bowman was the coach of the Blues the three years they went to the Finals with guys like the 3 Plager brothers, Barclay, Bob and Billy.The forerunners to the Sutter family.
There was a goalie back then playing for the California Golden Seals by the name of Gary Suitcase Smith. He was called suitcase because he was traded so many times. He was a happy wanderer. He'd stop the puck and then skate halfway up the ice and take a shot or pass it off to one of his teammates. He's the reason they implemented the rule about goalies not being able to cross the blueline.
One of the biggest changes was when everybody started wearing helmets. The game seemed to be full of characters back in the day when you could actually see them. Cashman, Esposito, Orr, Park, Lafleur, Horton, Keon, Sittler, Robinson, Cournoyer, Beliveau, Howe, Hull.
For one thing it seems less like a game to a lot of players these days. Some guys you watch them play and you see they have a love for the game: Brind'Amour, iginla, Sakic; guys like that come to mind. Back then the business guys were in business for sure, but the players played to play. Now the players make millions. It was interesting last week after the games on HNIC in afterhours, Kelly Hrudey and Oake interviewing Wilfy Paiment up in Nordern Quebec there there, playing hockey out doors under the streetlights to the wee hours of the night. Playing the game for the love of the game.
That's the way hockey used to be. At least that's where most of the kids my age learned the game. Outdoors. There wasn't a lot of money around back then. Maybe credit cards hadn't been invented then I don't know, but i had to borrow gear for my Junior C tryout. There was no way I could even afford to make the team and they knew it. There was none of those hockey scholarships to the American colleges back then. If you were going to be a big league hockey player, you probably weren't going to have much in the way of edumacation. Two of my three buddies on that team did eventually have a cup of coffee in the big leagues though. The third never went higher than I think Kalamazoo or Adirondack in the Red Wings organization.
Most nights in Junior D there was usually 6 or 7 local cops on the ice every Sunday night helping to break up the end of the game. Yep. The game has changed. Or maybe it's society that's changed more. One thing that never changes, is change.
But it's still pretty much the same game. Skate, shoot and score.
Makita looked great last night. Made some off the cuff reference to the shootouts and the tie when he said we will always support our young BlackHawks whether they win or tie. Highest one game attendance in Chicargo since 01/02. | |
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Posted: 3/8/2008 10:42:55 AM | Wow, ya sure ring alot of bells Sly. Sweet sounds  too. I remember Cheesy and the gumper. Cheesy's second mask already if I recall right and I always said the Gumper should be paying a little more attention to that. looked like he had some pretty rough miles
Think I mighta seen Beliveau's last hurrah too. Esposito and his brother between the pipes, and yeah, can't forget the forehead on Cashman
Cashman, Esposito, Orr, Park, Lafleur, Horton, Keon, Sittler, Robinson, Cournoyer, Beliveau, Howe, Hull. All these guys actually. Who could forget the "roadrunner"? Pretty impressive wheels for his day.
I actually enjoyed the antics of Gary Smith. seemed like he forgot what position he was supposed to be playing
And who could forget "the Shack is back"? there was a REAL character.
As far as changes in the game, quite honestly it really deteriorated in the 80s and 90s in my eyes. I used to joke that if I wanted to watch lousy wrestling and so-so actors, I could just flip to WWF. I think the lockout and rule changes actually restored my interest Hard as it is for me to believe I'm saying "green light" to more money for big business. Too bad I missed Makita last night.
I remember the a few of the guys saying they were gonna get so-and-so too.usually local law enforcement That one OFTEN backfired
But it's still pretty much the same game. Skate, shoot and score. Lets hope they leave that part alone | |
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Posted: 3/8/2008 10:58:09 AM |
somewhere between an Orr, a Coffey and a Potvin
I take it you mean Orr and Lidstom! | |
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Posted: 3/8/2008 11:12:37 AM | You know if there's something disappointing about the Leafs move back to the east years ago, is that i really haven't got to see much of the Blackhawks, the Blues and the Red Wings and Lidstrom. But absolutely, yes. Lidstrom would have to be right up there when talking about the best all time D-men..
Cournoyer was the one guy the russians feared the most in 72. They had a name for him, I can't remember what it was, but it meant something like little bulldozer or little tank. Impossible to knock that guy off the puck.
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Posted: 3/8/2008 12:08:15 PM | Cournoyer was the one guy the russians feared the most in 72 Shoulda been worrying about Paul Henderson, not the roadrunner. Nice how he REALLY came outta the closet and into the spotlight for that series. Poor old fuzzy huey (Foster Hewet) could barely even get his usual "excited squeeks" out.
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Posted: 3/9/2008 10:27:00 AM | | Did Paul Henderson do anything after that series? | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 10:55:33 AM | | Well, statistically his best NHL years were before the 72 series (he had just about 400 points prior, about 80 points in the two seasons after). But his legend created by his heroics in 72 DID get him a big fat WHA contract in 1974. | |
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Posted: 3/9/2008 11:09:52 AM | He was an average hockey player who rose to the occasion at the right time.
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Posted: 3/9/2008 11:14:13 AM | """...Did Paul Henderson do anything after that series?..."""
Not really. He was almost snakebit as best i can recall. He hit a lot of posts the next year posting only 18 goals, and missing the 20 goal mark for the first time in 5 years. I remeber Bill hewitt and Bob Goldham remarking on how he just couldn't buy goals the year after the Series. The year after that he bolted to the Toronto Toro's of the WHA. Cournoyer by the way, won the Conn Smyth the next season.
Speaking of posts, Marty stuck that knife in good and deep on the blue and white again last night. That could be it for my blue and white. Marty stuck it in good and gave it a good twist. When the leafs hit the three posts in the first period, the hockey gods were sending me my message. It's nearing the end of the road now for these guys. This is truly the year for the leaf franchise that anything that possibly could go wrong, did go wrong. I just had that feeling way back in Septemeber when the NHL out of the blue suspended Mark Bell for those 15 games because of their flawed substance abuse policy. Then a week later Blake gets diagnosed with leukemia. It all kinda went downhill from there. What a season.
Only two times all season has Brodeur had to make 40 plus saves, and both games were this week against the Leafs. This kid Parise that sank the leafs battleship both nights with a pair of goals both nights (drafted 17th by the way) is the son of JP Parise. JP was the guy that nearly took off Jozef Kampala's head when he swung his stick in an attempt to chop the ref's head offf over in Russia in game 8.
You know this will sound like sour grapes being a Leaf fan, but i really don't think either of jersey's goals last night should have counted. Not only should they not have counted, langenbrunner should have gotten a goaltender interference call on both plays. That was honestly one of the most poorly officiated sporting events in recent memory. All of the powerplays for both clubs were phantom type calls. And the one's they didn't call were just brutally blatant.
I said the Leafs would have to crash the net to beat Marty, but they didn't do it. They fired lots of shots alright, but Marty'll stop those all night long. He even said as much after the game that he had good vision on all the shots all night except for Steen's screen on Sundin's goal. You've got to get in his kitchen. For lessons on that, just watch the replay of the two Jersey goals. It's almost all over but the crying now. I'd like to see them go full bore at Philly for the home and homer though. Just for old time sakes.
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Posted: 3/9/2008 12:25:50 PM | Parise made a half swing. It was faked but still stupid no matter how frustrated they were.
It was over 2 months ago for the Leafs. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 2:23:08 PM | | i am really starting to think carolina has what it takes to get out of the east this year.even without brindy. | |
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Posted: 3/10/2008 7:22:56 PM | YEAH BABY, iggy with his 365th goal.now the all time leader for the flames in goals. just have to wait till sometime next season for iggy to be the alltime points leadrer.
go flames go
in sutter we trust
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Posted: 3/10/2008 9:09:12 PM | | good on him. I remember when the FLames made that trade (Nieuwendyk to Dallas for Iginla), a lot of Flames fans were pissed. Coates (pretty sure it was Al Coates who was GM back then) defended the trade, saying it was better than to lose Nieuwendyk for nothing, come July 1. But I doubt even he knew the type of leader and real ambassador to the sport he picked up that day. One of the best trades ever made by the Flames for sure. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 7:43:19 AM | | I was surprised Flurry had that many. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 7:59:42 AM | theo was sick man, such a shame his career will forever be tainted by actions off the ice. theo had 364 in less games then iggy. guy played like he was 8' tall, loved those battles for goals. but thats the past and iggy is the present and furture not to mention the best player to wear the flaming "C".
go flames go
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