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Posted: 3/11/2008 2:20:48 PM | Better than Steve Bozek?
I would rate Al MacInnis as number 1.
Who are the 10 best Flames?
Here is my list.
Al MacInnis
Theoren Fleury
Jarome Iginla*
Joe Nieuwendyk
Gary Suter
Kent Nilsson
Mike Vernon
Gary Roberts
Eric Vail
Paul Reinhart | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 2:37:58 PM | Congrats to Iggy. Real good guy. Always thoughtful in his responses to the media no matter how touchy the subject. tough as nails too. Tough to picture him being the old dog around the pound come winter Olympic time in 2010. I would imagine he may just be the captain of that team.
Couple of other good Flamers...Joel Otto, Hakan Loob, Joey Mullen, Marshy, Ramage.
If you're including players playing for Flames.i.e. including Atlanta flamers, I'd have to get Tom Lysiak in there and maybe goalie Dan Bouchard.
In the where are they now department: Where's 1977 Calder Cup trophy winner Willi Plett? | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 3:16:58 PM | where is lanny on your top 10 list? still the single season leader for the flames with 66 goals. still does tons of stuff for the city. funny you missed a guy whos name hangs in the rafters, and added a bunch that never will be.
iggy has done more for the city and fans then any other player. thats why i give him the edge plus sometime next season he will be the all time points leader, played for calgary the longist. this guy loves being a flames and didnt let the money he could make on the open market comeinto a factor when he extended his contract 5 years. once heard him say " i was here during the bad times i want to be here for the good" only one thing left to do really.......
if its not iggy its lanny. macinnis a close 3rd. soon to be on that list phaneuf. maybe kipper.
go flames go
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Posted: 3/11/2008 3:56:47 PM | What about Steve Smith?
He scored, if not the most important, surely the most memorable goal in your franchise's history
I remember after the Flames signed both Smith and Fuhr, I was laughing, saying the only reason the Flames ever signed both those players was so they could rightfully retire their jerseys | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 6:03:38 PM | hahaha how true big goal. however nothing is to say that a flames player would have not put one in later in the game or in ot. after all you dont get to game 7 by fluke. id put gelinas ot goal in game 7 vs the nucks ahead of that one. started something really great.
go flames go
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Posted: 3/11/2008 8:00:10 PM | | Well to be honest, I'd put any goal scored in the 89 playoffs ahead of the Smith blunder. After all, you guys didn't win in 86. But it's still funny lol. | |
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Posted: 3/11/2008 8:07:32 PM | kaos won't pick lanny because he's an ex-Leaf.
Speaking of which, I was waiting to see the kitchen sink come out onto the ice tonight at the ACC. I have no clue why the Leafs play like this now. They threw everything but the kitchen sink at those Flyers tonight. Down 3-0 in the third, Ponyboy gets robbed on an empty netter with under a minute left. Jason Smith gets away with throwing the stick. Kubina pumps one in in OT. 55 shots.
1st time since the Pat Burns years in 94 the Leafs have pumped 40 plus shots 4 game in a row. One of the best periods of Leaf hockey in years. It was nice to see them taking it to the Flyers. Even if it all is a day late and a dollar short. 7 back with 11 to play.
I'm picking Flames and Sharks in the western Final. I can't make up my mind in the east yet, but I'm leaning toward Jersey. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 5:40:59 AM | yeah wow what a amazing game the leafs played last night. some real heart shown there. even though i hate the leafs and i did tune into the game to see them get beat and playoff hope fade a bit, i found myself cheering for them. with that kind of heart its kinda to bad they are going to in all chances miss the playoffs.
yeah i know the flames didnt win the cup in 86 but still we stopped the oilers from winning the cup. oilers with the team they had would have stomped the habs in 4 that year. plus making the finals is a massive task in its own. sports center put that smith goal #1 of its top 10 own goals, i laugh everytime i see it.
so what lanny is a ex-leaf he won the cup in calgary!!!!
has it ever been this close at the end of the season? wow the northwest has 4 teams within 2 points of eachother. really shows you how much stronger the northwest is then any other divison in hockey.
think of where the flames, and wild would be if they got to play the hawks and blues 8 times a year instead of nucks and aves. even the nucks and aves where they would be if they played the yotes and kings. really looking at it change out any team from the se and put the oilers there your looking at a oilers team that could move from 11th in the west to at least rd in the east with the easy weaker sisters.
i did hear that its going down to 6 games vs divison next season that would be perfect.
go flames go
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Posted: 3/12/2008 7:13:57 PM | | robert reichel wasn't too bad on the flames. 88 points 92-93 | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 7:14:03 PM | Ok quick... without looking ... which team is the highest-scoring team in the NHL?
I admit, I would have never guessed without looking myself. The Habs. Wow. How long has it been since we could say that the Montreal Canadiens had the top offence in the NHL?
I'm thinking a lot of POFers weren't even born the last time that happened! | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 7:28:03 PM | | what the original six days? | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 7:35:01 PM | """...The Habs..."""
Not bad for what Lafleur called a bunch of 4th liners back in the fall. It's also the latest point in the season they've been in First in their division since their Cup win in 92/93.
EDIT: I had to put in that Leafs lost Sundin after the first period tonight but soldiered on and beat the bullies on broad Street 3-2. 3 back in the win column and 3 back in the loss column with 10 to play is better than 5 back with 12 to play. Now 5 points back. | |
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Posted: 3/12/2008 9:34:40 PM | | Everybody remembers those days with their 10 overtime wins****irvin etc... | |
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Posted: 3/13/2008 9:20:56 AM | ya they beat my damn kings in 92/92 but thats ok because leaf fans wont let me forget gretzky should have been called for high sticking and won the series.
jeeze it was 14 years ago leaf fans get over it lol.
but the leafs this year just wont die man | |
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Posted: 3/13/2008 11:46:13 AM | """...How long has it been since we could say that the Montreal Canadiens had the top offence in the NHL?
I'm thinking a lot of POFers weren't even born the last time that happened!..."""
79/80 Habs beat the Flyers 328 to 327 in goals for.
78/79 Islanders first by about 20 goals.
77/78 Habs by about 20 goals
76/77 Habs beat the Flyers by about 65 goals. That was the year they went 60-8-12. I think they lost 2 games on the way to the Cup that year. I was making 16.96 + 2.50 an hour COLA (cost of living allowance); 19.46 an hour pushing a broom in a tire factory in Hamilton.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/nhl19271977.html
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"""...but the leafs this year just wont die..."""
Nope they won't. I think they'll need to drive a wooden stake thru their hearts this year. But after watching the Flyers two nights in a row, I have a feeling this playoff race in the East is gonna get tighter before it gets wider. Flyers were the one's looking like they had no heart the last two nights. They're ripe for the picking here. Caps and Panthers haven't thrown in the towel yet either, but Caps have a 6 game road trip before they hit April.
Another team that won't die is those Oilers. Only one game back in the win column compared to Vancity. Not bad for I think the youngest squad in the NHL. Can the OT magic continue? And just how long can those Nucks keep going with just a goalie?
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"""...where they would be if they played the yotes and kings..."""
The Kings yes, but surprisingly the Coyotes have the best divisional record by a large margin in that Pacific division. I was surprised when I checked, they're 17-7 in the division. 9 points up on Dallas.
Pens I think are the only eastern club with a winning record against the west. I would have to believe if we had a fully balanced schedule, half the eastern clubs would qualify for the playoffs but be sub 500. Then we'd all be calling for a different playoff format.
NFL has 32 teams playing 16 games so i can understand clubs not seeing clubs in their own venue for a few years, but with 82 games for 30 clubs there's no logical reason in the world for clubs not to have a home and homer every year against each club. Just my opinion. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2008 12:28:35 PM | | call me whatever but i have a stupid feeling the leafs will make it this year. I don't know what it is. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2008 12:47:58 PM | My list was a copy off of Wikipedia.
Not really a Flames fan so I could care less who is on it.
I did not realize Lanny had scored that many with the Flames.
and Yes Atlanta is to be included, it is the same franchise.
I do agree with McInnis as #1 he career is better than Iggy. That is not to take anything away from Iggy.
Leafs are really messing up the draft. Great players at 1 and 2. Typical Leafs. Cliff Fletcher wishes he had stayed at home now. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2008 2:57:35 PM | Hockey anyone?
Posted: 3/13/2008 1 35 PM
call me whatever but i have a stupid feeling the leafs will make it this year. I don't know what it is.
just need to get some rest dude.lie down for a while it will pass. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2008 5:07:08 PM | """...Leafs are really messing up the draft. Great players at 1 and 2..."""
You mean great like Dale McCourt was great with the Fincups?
When you stop and think that Getzlaff went 19th and Corey Perry went around 28th, folks need to stand back and realize that draft picks are not a sure thing.
The best player i ever watched in person regularly in junior was Dale McCourt. Anticipated the play much like gretzky used to and led his Hamilton Fincups in the mid to late 70's under (the late) Bert Templeton to the Memorial Cup with 126 points on 52 goals, and then 139 points the next two seasons with 55 and 60 goal seasons.3 OHA finals in 4 years and the other year they were stoned by Pat Riggin and the London Knights in an 8 game series.
Drafted first in 77, he played 7 seasons in the NHL amassing 194 goals.
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I find it kind of perplexing to think the Leaf fans in particular, or hockey fans in general, calling for this club to tank have:
a) Ever played anything competitively
or
b) Spend too much time watching idiots like Milbury, Healey, Bill Watters, or Nick the d1ck Kypreos, or read too much of Damien Cox's nonsense to seriously believe that Stamkos or Doughty are automatically going to guarantee us a championship squad.
Leafs aren't screwing up their future by making an honest bid at this late stage for a playoff spot. I imagine there'd be a lynching in any dressing room, locker room, or clubhouse anywhere on the continent if anyone ever suggested a team should tank and sacrifice a possible playoff run in a very weak east, to get a 25% chance at landing a hot 18 year old kid prospect. Don't kid yourself. This is a deep draft. Deepest in years.
C'mon kaos. You like Wikpedia. How about a few of these:
"""...a prospect that had been shrugged off by scouts as not having an impact in the NHL ends up having a fruitful or outstanding career in the league. In this case, a player is considered to be a draft "steal".
Examples:
2000-Henrik Lundqvist, New York Rangers (7th round, 205th overall)
1999-Henrik Zetterberg, Detroit Red Wings (7th round, 210th overall)
1998-Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit Red Wings (6th round, 171st overall)
1996-Tomas Kaberle, Toronto Maple Leafs (8th round, 204th overall)
1995-Miikka Kiprusoff, San Jose Sharks (5th round, 116th overall)
1994-Daniel Alfredsson, Ottawa Senators (6th round, 133rd overall)
1994-Tomas Holmström, Detroit Red Wings (10th round, 257 overall)
1993-Pavol Demitra, Ottawa Senators (9th round, 227th overall)
1992-Nikolai Khabibulin, Winnipeg Jets (9th round, 204th overall)
1990-Peter Bondra, Washington Capitals (8th round, 156th overall)
1989-Pavel Bure, Vancouver Canucks (6th round, 113th overall)
1987-Theoren Fleury, Calgary Flames (8th round, 166th overall)
1984-Luc Robitaille, Los Angeles Kings (9th round, 171st overall)
1984-Brett Hull, Calgary Flames (6th round, 117th overall)
1983-Dominik Hasek, Chicago Blackhawks (10th round, 199th overall)
1982-Doug Gilmour, St. Louis Blues (7th round, 134th overall)
1980-Steve Larmer, Chicago Blackhawks (6th round, 120th overall)
Now let's see some of those 'sure-thing' picks:
Examples:
1999-Patrick Stefan, Atlanta Thrashers (1st overall)
1999-Pavel Brendl, New York Rangers (4th overall)
1999-Brian Finley. Nashville Predators (6th overall)
1997-Daniel Tkaczuk, Calgary Flames (6th overall)
1996-Alexandre Volchkov, Washington Capitals (4th overall)
1995-Aki Berg, Los Angeles Kings (3rd overall)
1994-Jason Bonsignore, Edmonton Oilers (4th overall)
1993-Alexandre Daigle, Ottawa Senators (1st overall)
1992-Ryan Sittler, Philadelphia Flyers (7th overall)
1991-Pat Falloon, San Jose Sharks (2nd overall)
1989-Dave Chyzowski, New York Islanders (2nd overall)
1987-Bryan Fogarty, Quebec Nordiques (7th overall)
1983-Brian Lawton, Minnesota North Stars (1st overall)
1982-Gord Kluzak, Boston Bruins (1st overall)
1980-Doug Wickenheiser, Montreal Canadiens (1st overall)
1975-Barry Dean, Kansas City Scouts (2nd overall)
1974-Greg Joly, Washington Capitals (1st overall)
The NHL draft is often unpredictable in terms of what a draft pick will achieve as a professional. It is impossible to predict with absolute certainty how successful a young player will be in the NHL, and many factors weigh on a player's development. Determining a young player's potential is not an exact science: scouts and managers can misevaluate talent or young players can simply fail to reach their potential.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nhl_entry_draft
Most folks that have played anything competitively would rather see a club play it out competitively until they've been officially eliminated. This notion of 'tanking' has to be probably the ugliest thing I've listened to in sports in memory. I can see a tennis player tanking the end of a bad set early in the match to conserve energy for the next set, but this talk of Leafs going into the tank just baffles me beyond belief. It's been said by many a wiser man than me that bullsh.it baffles brains, and since this is all very baffling to me, I can only logically deduce that all this talk is just bullsh.it, or it's just being said by people that are just bullsh.it.
Just an opinion.
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Posted: 3/13/2008 7:42:54 PM | | there are teams that consistantly draft well.those teams are also consistantly in the playoffs.look at detroits drafting record the last 10 years or so.the draft is the most important avenue for building a team. | |
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Posted: 3/13/2008 7:49:00 PM | | i have to agree though,you should never tank for a better draft position.how can you possibly ask your players to play well for you after you have shown you dont care about winning? | |
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Posted: 3/13/2008 8:51:25 PM | """....look at detroits drafting record the last 10 years or so.the draft is the most important avenue for building a team..."""
I'll just copy and paste the post from the Ontario leafs thread as it is in the discussion over there about cheering for your team to lose.. I dunno, call me crazy if you like, but it doesn't look like the evidence is there to support that Detroit theory you keep sticking to:
""".... Lou lamorello and the draft...and not making it an excuse for mediocrity. Devils have won 3 of the last 12 Cups. Since 1992, working backwards from last year, they've drafted 57th, 30th, 23rd, 20th, 17th, 51st, 28th, 22nd, 27th, 26th, 24th, 10th, 18th, 24th, 13th and 18th.
I don't see too many top five picks there.
Hmmm. Let's see. Maybe Detroit will validate this unsportsmanlike theory of cheering for your team to lose. Detroit's won 3 of the last 10 Cups. Working backwards again from last year 2007 thru to 1992, they drafted 27th, 41st, 42nd, 97th, 64th, 58th, 62nd, 29th, 120th, 25th, 49th, 2nd, (Michael Harland! ~ whoever he is), 26th, 23rd, 22nd and 22nd.
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"""...how can you possibly ask your players to play well for you after you have shown you dont care about winning?"""
What exactly would you be referring to here? Players are paid to play, salesmen are paid to sell, actors are paid to act, directors are paid to direct, coaches are paid to coach, managers are paid to manage. What exactly is the point you're trying to make here?
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What's goin' on with those Flamers? Stubbing their toe blowing a three goal lead to the Thrashers tonight. Keenan must be smoking mad.
EDIT:Wings clinch playoff spot tonight for the 17th consecutive season. Longest streak in sports right now. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2008 5:51:24 AM |
What's goin' on with those Flamers? Adding the "r" is REAL appropriate after last night's game
Not a good night in wild rose country last night period. If you think the Flames put in a crappy performance, you'd hafta use foul language describing the Oilers ........EXHIBITION  | |
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Posted: 3/14/2008 6:17:27 AM | What exactly would you be referring to here? Players are paid to play, salesmen are paid to sell, actors are paid to act, directors are paid to direct, coaches are paid to coach, managers are paid to manage. What exactly is the point you're trying to make here?
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winning goes beyond player skill level.(i really dont know why i am argueing because i was agreeing with you)but ok.if as an orginization you show signs to the players you are tanking,its quite likely they will lose respect for for the orginization and there heart wont be in it for the next year.payed to play or not,if your hearts not in it the team is done. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2008 8:05:06 AM | one of the reasons why the ewings draft so well is they spend way more then any other team in the nhl on looking for players. they have more people over in europe scouting for them then any other team, id bet more then a few teams conbined. so really when your drafting at 24th or 144th your going to know alot more then other teams that only get a quick look at these unknown players. so that my friends is why they draft so well.
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