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 motownmaniax

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Posted: 6/2/2008 3:45:24 AM
Amazing this site was started by a Canadian and it doesn't have one dang hockey emotie????

Zetterberg's been great, but Osgood's been just a smidge better.
 Kaos86

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Posted: 6/2/2008 6:04:07 AM
An interesting article on the NHL website rankik the best Captains since of the past 14 years.



The Opening Faceoff: Captain, My Captain Shawn P. Roarke | NHL.com Managing Editor May 29, 2008, 9:00 AM EDT



Cult of Personality is perhaps Living Colour's most-recognizable song, which is fortunate because it captures the very essence of the band's message.

Throughout its existence, Living Colour attacked Eurocentric thinking and racism, railing against the status quo and pushing for a re-evaluation in the way things were done.

Cult of Personality railed against the power that charismatic leaders are able to usurp through the mere force of their character. In the song, he mentions varied leaders – Kennedy, Mussolini, Gandhi and Joseph Stalin.

It suggests that leadership is a heavy mantel to carry, full of responsibility and ripe for abuse. And, that is a proper suggestion.

I heard the song -- first released in 1988 on Living Colour's debut album, Vivid – just the other day and couldn't help but relate it to the existence of a hockey captain.

So much is expected from the men chosen to wear the "C" in the NHL. They are asked to be the link between the players and the coach, to be the voice of the team and to hold together 23 varied personalities under the unrelenting microscope that comes with being a professional athlete.

It is the most demanding role in sports and you must have a unique personality to succeed at it. But for those that do, it is the quickest way to immortality.

You don't believe CTN? Think of the players that have served as captain for the past 10 Cup winners. It's pretty easy to come up with the full list. It's even easier to argue that all have the potential to be Hall of Fame inductees.

Who would you turn away from the shrine on Yonge Street in Toronto? Scott Niedermayer? Rod Brind'Amour? Joe Sakic? Derian Hatcher? Scott Stevens and Steve Yzerman, the other captains to win a Cup in the past decade are already in the Hall, so they can't be turned away.

But here is a harder challenge. How would you rank these great leaders from the past decade? Who is the best captain of that elite group?

That is the task that CTN undertakes in this week's Opening Faceoff. It is not an easy task, nor is it a binding resolution on the leadership cred of these men. Rather, it is one man's opinion on how effective these players are in handling the white-hot pressure that is part and parcel of playoff hockey.

CTN would love to hear your rankings, as well. Feel free to send your rankings to CTN by firing off an e-mail to roarkeblog@nhl.com. If you remember to include your name and your hometown, there's a good chance that your list will appear in next week's edition of the Penalty Box.

The Opening Faceoff

To make things a little more interesting and a little more topical, CTN has included the captains of the 2008 Stanley Cup finalists – Detroit's Nicklas Lidstrom and Pittsburgh's Sidney Crosby -- into the equation.

Amazingly, only seven players have served as captains of Cup-winning teams since the Mark Messier-led New York Rangers won the Cup in 1994. Stevens and Yzerman each won three Stanley Cups since 1994, and Colorado's Joe Sakic has won a pair.

So, let's get down to the business at hand, trying to somehow rank this group.


Hatcher 9. Derian Hatcher, Dallas Stars -- The rugged defenseman was captain of the Dallas Stars from 1995 to 2003 and presided over the team's rise to prominence; a rise that culminated with the 1999 Stanley Cup title. The team beat Buffalo in six games in that Final and returned to the title series again the next year – losing to New Jersey in six games. Hatcher's two biggest traits as captain were diffusing the intensity of coach Ken Hitchcock, whose highly emotional style could grow tiresome during a long playoff run and shepherding some young, promising players into superstardom.

8. Dave Andreychuk, Tampa Bay Lightning -- One of the highest-scoring left wings in history, Andreychuk joined the Lightning at the tail end of a brilliant career. While his offensive skills had clearly eroded, he gave the Lightning some veteran leadership and refused to abandon ship early in his tenure, even as the Lightning continued to miss the playoffs. That loyalty paid off in 2004 when the Lightning made an amazing and memorable run to the Stanley Cup Final, defeating Calgary in a taut, seven-game series. Andreychuk was able to finally lift the Stanley Cup over his head – after a 22-year wait – because he was able to keep his team unified despite the fact that star forward Vinny Lecavalier had been stripped of the captaincy two years earlier, a move that could have had long-term repercussions. Andreychuk retired midway through the 2005-06 season. It is interesting to note that the Lightning have not advanced past the first round since he left the club.

7. Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins -- The youngest captain in the NHL, Crosby has done amazing things for Pittsburgh in his short time as the team's acknowledged leader. The players on his team call him a quiet leader that does most of his leading through his play. This postseason, he has helped carry a young and untested Penguins team to a Stanley Cup Final. The win in Game 3 showed exactly what Crosby brings to the table. His team was down two games to none, had yet to score a goal and looked utterly befuddled. So, what did Crosby do? He scored the team's first two goals, staking the Pens to a 2-0 lead that paved the way to a 3-2 win that put Pittsburgh back into the series. His play on the ice and his willingness to handle the off-ice demands that come with being the face of hockey have earned him respect from even the most veteran players in Pittsburgh's room.


Scott Niedermayer's first Stanley Cup win with Anaheim was his first as a captain. VIDEO 6. Scott Niedermayer, Anaheim Ducks -- The smooth-skating defenseman has done everything there is to do in hockey. He has won four Stanley Cups, an Olympic gold medal, a world junior championship and a Memorial Cup. But he has done most of that in a secondary leadership role. In fact, the 2007 Stanley Cup title with Anaheim was his first as a captain. To win it – in a five-game series against Ottawa – Niedermayer used all the lessons he learned during his apprenticeship with the New Jersey Devils. Niedermayer's greatest leadership trait has always been his ability to stay calm in any situation. His resume of success – one that nobody else in the NHL can match – has afforded him the opportunity to encounter and conquer every situation imaginable. His calmness, especially in the face of adversity, sets the tone for his team.

5. Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit Red Wings -- Currently two wins away from becoming the first European captain to raise the Stanley Cup over his head, Lidstrom has made the transition to life without the legendary Steve Yzerman leading the charge. The reason that the transition has been seamless is because Lidstrom is the consummate professional, on and off the ice. The best defenseman in the game, he delivers a calmness on the ice that is invaluable. He has also learned his lessons well about what to do away from the rink by watching Yzerman and other vets like Kris Draper, Chris Chelios and Dallas Drake, among others.

4. Rod Brind'Amour, Carolina Hurricanes -- When the Hurricanes won the 2006 Stanley Cup title after a grueling seven-game series against Edmonton, Brind'Amour's fingerprints were all over the championship. The conscience of a very workmanlike team, Brind'Amour did everything but play goal. If the team needed a goal, Brind'Amour scored it. If a game-changing hit was a necessity, Brind'Amour ran over the biggest guy he could find. Need to win a big defensive-zone draw? Call on Brind'Amour. Time to kill a penalty? Here comes Brind'Amour. He did all this with a dogged professionalism that could only inspire his teammates and frustrate his opponents. Brind'Amour is the true lead-by-example captain.

3. Joe Sakic, Colorado Avalanche -- The quiet Sakic is loud on the ice, his play speaking volumes about the drive that makes him one of the best centers – and leaders – to ever play the game. He was integral in Colorado's Cup victories in 1996 and 2001. The central theme revolving around both those teams was the professionalism they exhibited in handling every setback on the long and difficult road to a title. That professionalism emanates from Sakic and permeates the entire Colorado dressing room. Not only does he set the tone in the room, but he delivers on the ice. Need proof? In Colorado's two championship seasons, they played 43 games to win the two Stanley Cups. Sakic scored 60 points in those 43 games and won the Hart Trophy that year.


Scott Stevens helped revive the Devils.
1a. Scott Stevens, New Jersey Devils -- Yes, CTN took the easy way out. What, you wanted CTN to decide between Stevens and Steve Yzerman? It's virtually impossible. Here's the case, though for Stevens. He revived a moribund franchise with his arrival. He changed his game from hot-headed, point-producer, to cold-blooded, defensive specialist. He convinced the rest of the team to accept the defensive leanings of Jacques Lemaire, the very foundation of New Jersey's decade of excellence. He played hurt. He held everyone accountable. And he scared the spit out of opponents with his predatory instincts when it came to open-ice hitting. Oh yeah, he also lifted the Stanley Cup over his head three times.

1. Steve Yzerman, Detroit Red Wings -- "Stevie Y" gets a slight edge here because, unlike Stevens, he spent his entire career with the Red Wings, leading the team from the depths of despair during the "Dead Things" era to the heights of elation when the team snapped a 42-year Stanley Cup drought by defeating the Philadelphia Flyers in the 1997 Cup Final. The team defended its title the next year, running over the Washington Capitals. They remain the last team in NHL history to win back-to-back titles. The club won again in 2002, defeating Carolina in five games to deliver Yzerman a third title. Throughout that run of excellence and until his retirement in 2006, the soft-spoken Yzerman led by example, willing the team to greatness. He became captain of the club in 1986 and held that position for the next 20 years. The legend of his playing through injuries that could cripple other players remains an inspiration to a new generation of players today. Virtually anyone that has ever shared a dressing room with Yzerman calls him the best leader they have ever met. The results certainly back up that contention.
 motownmaniax

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Posted: 6/2/2008 8:09:39 AM
Thanks for sharing, Kaos.

Stevie Y's retirement is still too fresh for a lot of Detroiters, but give it time and his legacy might be every bit as intense and long-lasting as Mr Hockey, Gordie Howe. All I know is I grew up with the Wings under Yzerman and the things he did and injuries he played through still awe me to this day. There may never be another like him wearing the winged wheel.
 motownmaniax

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Posted: 6/3/2008 4:05:01 AM
Wow, whatta game last night. I stayed up and watched the whole thing so I'm hurting this morning...lol.

Fleury was simply unbeatable from about the last nine minutes of the third period all the way through overtime. He stopped everything we threw at him. I knew the minute we got that last penalty the Pens would probably score on the power play and we'd be going back to Pittsburgh.

I still think we'll win the series, but you NEVER want to run into a hot goalie.
 Kaos86

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Posted: 6/3/2008 4:48:44 AM
He is a hot goalie!
The Wings down the stretch were guilty of long shifts.
The game tying goal was scored because they were exhausted after being caught on a long shift.

Stanley Cup #11 only slightly delayed.
 slysterling

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Posted: 6/3/2008 7:42:58 AM
"""...Stanley Cup #11 only slightly delayed."""

I wouldn't be so sure just yet. It looks like we have ourselves a series.

That may just have been that good ole TSN turning point. The longer that game went, the less effective the Wings looked in spite of the pens losing a couple of players for awhile there. Gutty performance by Fleury and the rest of the Pens. They hung in there. Pens got themselves a long series now and the longer it goes, the more advantageous it has to be to the overall youth of the Pens.

One thing about the Wings I've noticed is they shoot a lot of pucks. But they shoot one helluva lot of pucks wide and off the mark. These guys are like 50/50 whether their shot is even going to hit the net:
"""130 – Shots at goal by the Red Wings, compared with 60 for the Penguins. Detroit had 58 on goal and missed the net on 41 others, while 31 were blocked. The Penguins nearly blocked more of Detroit's shots than they managed shots on goal (32)."""
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Those 41 shots off target have to be looked at.

That game last night had the potential to be an alltime classic but the refs left too much of their imprint on the game again, which is really becoming the standard now it seems nearly every night. Too much doubt creeping into these games with this officiating. There was one heck of a lot of mugging going on. Too many other things went uncalled. Those refs belong in the minors. Thirty years ago, the fans would have pelted the ice with bottles thrown directly at the refs for that display of officiating

Entertaining game though in spite of (or maybe because of ?) the reffing. i thought Ozzy was not real sharp last night. A bit awkward and should maybe thank his lucky stars they only got about 5 shots per period on him. He looked at times like he couldn't stop a beachball. Franzen looked as slow as a mule with a couple of crucial mistakes on that 3-3 goal with 30 seconds left.

Crosby said earlier in the playoffs that his young club just tried to learn as much as they could as fast as they could in explaining their rise to the top of the East this year. They've picked up on a couple of the Wings breakout plays and started using them last night themselves. Interesting to watch. Probably Hal Gill's best game as a major leaguer. Leafs should file suit for non-performance of duty during his two years there. He sure as he11 never played with that meanness as a Leaf. That's the Hal Gill I thought we were originally getting from Boston. Sad thing about that histicking call was it was on Scuderi who was just totally out of gas at that point in the game. He'd fallen over 3 or 4 times his previous couple of shifts from fatigue and was just leaning on his stick half the time to stay up. I thought he'd fallen over again originally when I seen him fall down in the corner.

back to pittsburgh it goes...
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Posted: 6/3/2008 7:58:03 AM
That's the Hal Gill I thought we were originally getting from Boston.

amazing how rejuvinating playing for an orginization with a plan and structure can be huh?
 prairie pundit

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Posted: 6/3/2008 8:18:48 AM
The thing that amazes me the most about the Red Wings is the stick work. They are so proficient at intercepting or deflecting passes. That's the biggest reason for the shot discrepancy. The Penguins never seem to have the puck long enough to shoot.
When you look at the shots allowed throughout the season, this is nothing new for the Red Wings. Babcock must make them all practice with 20-pound weights on their sticks, to make sure they stay on the ice.
And they are so accurate with their passes out of the zone. They always seem to have a man open for quick relief.
Also, how is it that they can have a 3 on 2 going their way, and still have 4 guys across their own blue line when the Pens turn the play up-ice?
This has nothing to do with the West being better than the East. This has everything to do with the Wings being better than anyone else.
Fleury was the ONLY reason this season is still going. He was sensational. But the rest of the Penguins really were outplayed. And Evgeni Malkin should be benched. Man oh man, is that guy a liability in this series. By the third period the Wings were giving him the puck, just so they could get it back in better position
 slysterling

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Posted: 6/3/2008 8:19:14 AM
"""...amazing how rejuvinating playing for an orginization with a plan and structure can be huh..."""

^^^old news. Seen it a thousand times before. Larry Murphy couldn't play defence according to most Toronto fans either and then went on to pocket two Cups with Detroit. Rouse as well. Trees Mironov, Macoun same thing with one cup each. Anders Erickson won two Cups with detroit but was only good enough to play in St. John's later when he went to the Leafs. lol

Makes as much sense as starting Clemmenson thru every game of the marlies playoffs this year except the last two when Gilbert started Pogge. Oh ya. That's right. The AHL is where you're supossed to be letting your yonug players gather some playoff experience and develop.

Mind you, Gill has been caught with his pants down a couple of times in this series, but he's done well boxing out Holmstrom and franzen. Nice can opener on Holsmtrom to knock him out of Game 3. I thought the can opener was a penalty these days.

You know on those goaltender interference calls; it's not so much that they weren't good calls. It's just that, to me though, probably half of, for example, new jersey's goals were scored like that this season and i didn't see any of them getting called back.
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Posted: 6/3/2008 8:26:44 AM
"""The thing that amazes me the most about the Red Wings is the stick work...And they are so accurate with their passes out of the zone"""

Real treat to watch them play. They have great sticks. Real good at passing the puck.

As for malkin, you never know with him setting up Sykora he might come back to life but yep, he looked really out of his league out there at the best of times. It was almost like Wings started taking it for granted they would take the puck off his stick every time. They were just skating up to him and taking it from him. It was kinda sad there at times. He better snap out of it.
 curiosity_24

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Posted: 6/3/2008 10:42:42 AM
Yes this is an intense series I wished for 4-0 or even 4-1 but all in all it will still be Detroit 4 Penguins 2 or 3 I hope for 2 so I can breathe again sooner and get my money. I love all the smacktalk it cracks me up although I have to admit Im not very good at it just a lil**** is all
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Posted: 6/3/2008 6:38:18 PM
And Evgeni Malkin should be benched. Man oh man, is that guy a liability in this series. By the third period the Wings were giving him the puck, just so they could get it back in better position


No doubt. Everytime he was on the ice, I was joking that it was like giving the Wings a powerplay. And yes, the Wings have great puck support, are positionally sound, and make crisp tape-to-tape passes, but teams like the Penguins make it easy for them. The Pens are good, but they have a lot of maturing to do in terms of playing as a team. Can't remember how many times they couldn't clear their zone because there was not puck support or how many times they tried to carry the puck - as an individual - across the blueline, rather than dump it in and then watch in frustration as the Wings strip them of the puck and go on the counterattack. One pass and the Wings are in the kill zone with their lethal transition game.
 prairie pundit

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Posted: 6/3/2008 7:12:54 PM
Hey tick good to see ya .... fell off the POF wagon eh

I've been saying all along that this Penguins team reminds me of the Oilers of the early 80s ... and they had to lose once in the finals before getting it right. This is such a learning experience for them - especially for their young D. I think had they ran ragged over the Wings like they did everyone else, it would have been too easy and they wouldn't have appreciated it enough.Losing in the finals will make them tougher next year (as long as they also learn from the Ottawa fiasco lol)

Not counting them out yet but the Wings definitely deserve the series.
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Posted: 6/3/2008 7:58:29 PM
And you know the refs are blowing dead bears when Dr. Bombay finally speaks up:

"""Media: The goaltender interference calls, the second one in particular, the guy going to the net, your thoughts?

Babcock: I don’t know. What am I supposed to say? I don’t have any idea.

Media: What’s your response to it, though?

Babcock: I don’t have any idea. What do you say? If you were sitting here, tell me, what would you say?

Media: No one cares what I think.

Babcock: I think it's pretty evident they don't care what I think either.

Mike Babcock tried to bite his lip. His first instinct was to give a vague answer, but that eventually gave way to his true feelings on the matter.

"I'll jump on the soap box," said Babcock. "We talk about scoring more goals in the National Hockey League. We want more goals. No they don't - don't tell me that. I've never seen anything like that in my whole life."

Henrik Zetterberg and Daniel Cleary each bumped Pittsburgh Penguins goalie Marc-Andre Fleury while driving to the net with the puck but neither player went out of his way to do so. With the NHL's championship series on the line, the calls were marginal at best.

He had remained quiet during the series while Penguins coach Michel Therrien complained often about obstruction infractions that weren't being called. After speaking out, Babcock did not plan to have a further discussion with the league about officiating before Game 6 on Wednesday night.

"Just had it," said Babcock. "I'm going to try what the other guy (Therrien) has been trying all series."

The NHL surely didn't like that he aired those thoughts. The Detroit players were quick to back up their coach.

Goalie Chris Osgood...couldn't believe it was penalized in overtime during the Stanley Cup final.

"I don't think it's a penalty, especially at that particular time of the game," said Osgood. "It seems to me like there's such a grey area for that rule right now that it needs to be addressed..."

http://www.thehockeynews.com

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/16429-THN-at-the-Stanley-Cup-In-the-coachs-corner.html
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Ozzy's right in saying that those plays were allowed all season and now in overtime this putz disguised as a ref calls not one but two of them. Cleary's was more of a foul. I really didn't think Zetterburgs was a penalty. I mean based on the letter of the law sure it was a penalty, but how many countless other infractions throughout 5 and a half periods were ignored. That's the inconsistency that's driving fans nuts.
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Posted: 6/3/2008 11:31:39 PM
stripes in the nhl are the worst stripes in all of sports, everyone knows that. well maybe 2nd worst those clowns in the iihf are way worse. at least in the old nhl you could know what would be a call ethier make a new rulebook or go back to the old system.

wacth any flames or even nucks game lunongo or kipper get run over way worse all game and no call is ever made, next thing your going to see is the blue paint rule again. till a team is knocked out of the playoffs due to a skate in the crease.

its like that with everything in the nhl, based on the player, and the ref. simon 2 hand slashes he gets 5 game or whatever crosby does it to a guys knee he walks away.

i think its stupid and a joke and i wacth over 200 games a year, what do you think the average joe usa man thinks? hockey is in my blood but it gets to the point where i have to turn it off.

16 days till then entry draft.
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Hehe...yeah, prairie, my friends and loved ones had to conduct an intervention to cure me of my POF addiction. Was hard at first, you know with the involuntary twitching and such, but I've recovered nicely. Anyway, nice to see you as well.

And yes, the Oiler comparison is very fitting. I was telling these girls that we were watching the game with the exact same thing. I was reminding them (actually, telling them becuase they were painfully unaware of anything hockey related) that the Oilers were slaughtered by an experienced Islander team in '84 and from that lesson, the Oilers learned what it took to win the cup and how they used that experience to return the favour the very next year.
 prairie pundit

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I don't see what the fuss is about the two goalie interference calls. Both times Fleury was clearly in the crease and both times the player clearly ran into him.
Pretty sure according to the rules, that's a penalty.
Neither case was like the phantom stuff they were calling against Holmstron earlier in the series.

The argument "what was he supposed to do" is lamer than the calls. What was he supposed to do? Hmmm. The rules say he's supposed to stay out of the crease. I don't care when it happened. To say that's a penalty in the first period but not in overtime is exactly the kind of mentality that keeps this great sport from having worldwide appeal.
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I don't have much of a problem with the goalie interference calls either, although I thought the second (Cleary) was a bit ticky-tacky, since it was clear momentum took him into the crease and it wasn't intentional. The refs better call it "both" ways, though. If there's even a hint of it from the Pens, it should also be called.

There also has to be an element of judgment. If an offensive player is going to the net to make a shot and is clearly "helped" (pushed) into the crease by another player, it should not be interference.

Using whatever measurement you want, the Wings have obviously outplayed the Pens pretty much the wholes series. They are the better team, period. It'd be a shame if they lost because of bad refereeing.
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Posted: 6/4/2008 5:38:55 AM
"If an offensive player is going to the net to make a shot and is clearly "helped" (pushed) into the crease by another player, it should not be interference."
Absolutely... but when a player cuts to the net, like Cleary did, he is trying to squeeze through a spot that he can't fit in. That's what makes me laugh when comments like "what was he supposed to do" are made.
How about ... what was the defenceman supposed to do? He angled him off and Cleary still cut to the net. The D angled Cleary in such a fashion that the only way Cleary could cut to the net was by running into Fleury. Cleary could have carried the puck around the net, but he chose to cut.
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I really did not have any problem with those interfernce calls.
On both occasions the tender was well within the crease. On both occasions the player had already lost possesion of the puck.
Players have to avoid that contact.
The goalie has to have the opportunity to make a save.
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Sly no argument about the reffing but you have to understand how the 2 man system works.
The high Referee (Outside the blueline) is responsible for watching the interference and cross checking in front of the net. The low ref follows the puck. The Gill call was right on I would have called it interference actually though


The focus of the High ref ( actually called the Back ref) is to watch the front of the net but both refs can call any penalty they see similar to what is done in a 2 man system in non NHL... I ref Rep Hockey and both Ref's are to call any penalty any where.. More Ref slang.. In a 3 man system.. the guy with the Red arm bands is known as the guy banding the game or the one going for a skate.. the other two are called lineys

My concern is the games are called a certain way all season.. Then they let a little more go in the Playoffs and then the final Playoff series nothing is called. (they did this last year also).. The new crackdown on the rules was to prevent this and allow the better players to excel, but it hasn't.

I love it when fans say let them play.. Um you mean let the team that is dirtiest (Clutch/Grab/Hook/Interfere) win.
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Posted: 6/4/2008 4:06:57 PM
I swear if the Wings don't put them away tonight I'm going to put my fist through a wall. I wanted to pick up the desk and smash it through the window in that 3 OT game.

Datsyuk needs to get rolling and so does Zetterberg, get back to where you guys were in games 1 and 2.
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Posted: 6/4/2008 5:05:26 PM
The Wings don't need Datsyuk and Zetterberg ... they have Malkin!
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Posted: 6/4/2008 7:24:15 PM
Stanley's packing his bags for home!
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Posted: 6/4/2008 7:45:19 PM
Stanley Goes Home.... HOCKEY TOWN!
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