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Posted: 6/8/2008 7:49:56 PM | well geo is coming back so there is a faster d man already.
conroy will be a a discount price, so thats a top 9 forward. a few kids from the fam should be ready, plus in what 11 days at the draft id bet someone is getting moved. the flames are fine with cap space the wings had over 20 million on the back end last season.
wing and preds didnt have to play any team like calgary, so how do you know? the sharks were said to be faster and bigger didnt play out like that at all. the only way the wings wouldnt have won the cup is if they had to play to hard hitting series in a row. if you play smart speed is a non issue.
according to lots of people there was no way we could sign the core thats done. just need the support cast. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 1:57:27 PM | That core got them to what 7th place?
3 straight years out in the 1st round.
And didn't Detroit sweep that core out last year. hmmm
Bottom line... Calgary is a bubble team and a lousy playof team! | |
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Posted: 6/9/2008 8:56:53 PM | yeah thats the point kaos ive said it all along. the core got them into the playoffs the last 3 years. it sthe lack of support players that is holding the flames back.
3 of 4 of this core was the same that made the finals 4 years ago. add in phaneuf and its only better.
no the wings won in double ot in game 6 not a sweep, if moss hadnt missed on a clear cut goal it was going to 7.
if calgary is a bubble team then every single team in the west excluding the wings is a bubble team and even worse at the playoffs. name a team in the northwest that has been to the playoffs the last 3 years........got 1? yeah thats the flames. if the flames or any northwest team traded divisons with the wings they would ethier be 1st or 2nd in the west.
with the new scheduale that you seem to not remember all nothwest teams could make playoffs next season.
funny how the flames are a bubble team but were close to winning the northwest.
ask the sharks if the flames are a bad playoff team, or ask dallas how nice it was playing a beaten up team. the flames stopped the hottist team in the nhl the cup favorite took them to 7, and they looked tired in the next round. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 6:25:23 AM | If, If if,if,
When the playoffs start they are seaded 1 - 8. You either win or you don't.
The core of the Flames are just not good playoff performers.
It's too bad because they also won't play for Team Canada either.
Dominic Hasek retires.
Forget his time in Detroit and Ottawa. He earned his reputation durring his run in Buffalo. He was the Dominator and one of the best All Time.
Next stop for Hasek.
The Hall of Fame.
First Ballot. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 7:12:36 AM | funny how phaneuf is 6th for defencemen in points and tied for 2nd in scoing in the whole playoffs.
iggy had 9 points in 7 games.
reggie was soild.
kipper played bad but he had a offseason.
your just blind, not smart or being a complete fool to try and start a flame war.
10 days till entry draft | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 7:42:23 AM | No war...just facts.
I feel sorry for Iginla and Phaneuff. They just don't have a strong management team behind them. If Iginla wants his name on the Cup he will have to leave Calgary.
Can Detroit repeat..
15 million in cap room says they can.
The Stanley Cup winning core returns almost in tact for another season in 08/09.
They have top two defensive forwards in the game. (Datsuyk, Zetterberg)
The Best Player in the NHL. (Zetterberg)
The Best Defenseman in the game. (Lidstrom)
One of the top young defensemen in the game. (Kronwell)
The best first 4 D-men in the NHL. (Lidstom, Rafalski, Stuart, Kronwell)
The Best Coach in the NHL (Babcock)
There only significant UFA is Brad Stuart and he is being asked to sign for less money than he made this year. He will sign as he recognizes the sacrafices that others have made in the Detroit locker room in order to win. Detroit attracts winners.
The management team of Devellano, Holland, Nill, Yzerman, Bowman will keep Detroit on top another season.
Hockeytown will keep Stanley another year. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 7:51:23 AM | I cannot imagine Saturday nights without this song.
Hockey Night in Canada anthem snatched
Windsor Star
Published: Tuesday, June 10, 2008
While CBC was attempting to make a last-ditch effort to resolve a contract dispute over the musical theme for Hockey Night in Canada, rival CTV announced a deal with composer Dolores Claman for exclusive rights to the country's second national anthem. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 7:55:39 AM | sutter is always ranked high in any rankings of management in the nhl. the flames dont have the dollars to throw at scouting like the wings do. in fact the wings spend more on there european scouting then most teams spend on all there scouting.
it all boils down to the wings have the abilty to sit and wait on players.
ducks had the core return last season didnt do them much good. the game changes from year to year. no way the wings get such a easy walk through the playoffs again. a preds team that squeked in, a aves team that was full of injuries. a tired stars team, a weak pens teams.
just stay in your dream world buddy. after next season z is going to be a 6 million dollar player at least, plus lidstrom will still have one season left on his contract so enless he takes less the wings may find themsleves in the same place as the rest of the nhl.
may they will win that satnley cup next season but stanley isnt going to go back to motor city. btw great job on damaging the cup wings how the hell do you dent the holy grail.
so osgood is your starting goalie next season? or who is going to play between the pipes? | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 8:25:49 AM | Zetterbergs contract will not eat up the 15 million of cap space they have. And at 6 m he is a bargain.
may they will win that satnley cup next season but stanley isnt going to go back to motor city.
not really sure what that means...
btw great job on damaging the cup wings how the hell do you dent the holy grail.
smack you should check out the history of the Cup. There are legendary stories of how the Cup has been dinged up and neglected over the years. By the way the cup that the teams get, is not the real cup.
so osgood is your starting goalie next season? or who is going to play between the pipes?
Not sure what that means either. Osgood will be penciled in for 50 games next season. Jimmy Howard will back him up and if Howard does not fill the 2 hole, Holland (Best GM in Hockey) will pick up a veteren.
in fact the wings spend more on there european scouting then most teams spend on all there scouting.
Why do the Wings do that. Where do they get the money?
It's not the Wing's fault that Calgary does not support its team.
With another early playoff exit on his resume Mr. Sutter is falling fast. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 8:48:24 AM | may they will win that satnley cup next season but stanley isnt going to go back to motor city.
not really sure what that means...
it means you said the wings were going to win the satnley cup next season i agreed. but the stanley cuo wont be a trophy they win.
i know the cup has been damaged pretty much every year lighten up man, smoke some green or get some, maybe have a few beers. relax.
funny how calgary is 4th in nhl on ticket sales and the wings are 10th. flames over sellout each game the wings well there were empty seats during the playoffs.
Not sure what that means either. Osgood will be penciled in for 50 games next season. Jimmy Howard will back him up and if Howard does not fill the 2 hole, Holland (Best GM in Hockey) will pick up a veteren.
if your not sure what i was asking then how did you answer my question?
with another playoff birth mr sutter is proving to be one of the best gms in the nhl. the northwest is the best divison in all of sports.
you dont get it i said at least 6 if Z took 6 then thats about a mill discout for the wings. your also not thinking of all the other players that are going to get rasies or a new goalie. next year they are fine, but after that if they want the core its going to start costing them some money, but they do have alot of great rookies so shouldnt be a problem, just they may have to face what alot of other teams had to.
it really doesnt make sense in a salary cap world that the amount spent on scouting isnt capped. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 9:27:10 AM | smack i still don't understand what you are talking about.
Wings will repeat but they won't win the Stanley Cup.
hmm....a tip try writing your messages in Word then using spell check before cutting and pasting to this forum, it helps me.
funny how calgary is 4th in nhl on ticket sales and the wings are 10th. flames over sellout each game the wings well there were empty seats during the playoffs.
There is always an excuse...If the Flames are so profititable then Why does management refuse to improve the on-ice product. Bottom line the Wings management has put a premium on the draft since the mid 80's and it's paid off with an incredible run now for some 20 years. There were a couple hickups along the way but the Wings success since the late 80's is unmatched in the NHL. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 11:57:07 AM | im not knocking the damn wings. ive said it before and say it again, they are the only elite team in the nhl. they are what every single team has been trying to do in the reg season.
the flames even sent staff during the reg season to wacth and see what made the ice ice product work so well. like you said the wings have been drafting well for a long time now. the flames had horriable draft picks in the 90's. sutter had to get rid of the farm club, and rebuild everything from the gound up. so instead of being able to take players that have higher risk higher reward he went with guys that would be able to play 3rd and 4th line roles but a better chance of playing in the nhl.
the flames have increased the scouting in sweeden, are in a spot now that some of the kids are ready to come up to the nhl.
other then the 04 squad the flames are doing great when compaired to late 90's-2003.
im saying i dont think the wings will win the cup, i think they will finish 1st overall again, but calling a repeat already is just crazy. i was just correcting you on misspelling stanley and using it to say the wings will not win the cup. from now on i will talk slower just for you.
if you have any questions about flames manegment why dont you e-mail ken king yourself. kking@calgaryflames.com a warning though if you ever meet him in person his handshake will almost break your hand. great guy, great with fans, you can see him around the saddledome all the time during flames games.
i like what i hear from him going forward, if you stopped and listened you might see something more then what you want to see kaos. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 12:52:01 PM | smack I know you are not knocking the Wings ...now!
How can you?
There is nothing to knock.
Currently they are the only team in the NHL that can not be knocked.
It's all about the results so consequently I could care less about e-mailing king?
I admire the Flames fans and their blind obedience. Very reminiscent of Leaf Stagnation and their 40 some odd years of blind faith. I have to tell you though, that blind obedience is what leads to losing seasons in many cases. Why change things when the money is rolling in.
After the "Darkness With Harkness" years in the 70's, Mike Illitch bought the team and knew he had to improve the on ice product in order to make a buck.
And wow did he ever.
Make the case as to why the Wings won't be the Cup favorites next year rather than waisting our time correcting spelling. (Where is it spelled wrong by the way?)
With your terrible spelling and grammar you should not be correcting anyone.
There are at least ten spelling errors in your last post. But who's counting right? | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 3:29:28 PM | """...This team needs a little more structure defensively,..."
And 10 points to new leaf coach Ron Wilson for the understatement of the day.
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Wilson also said he would be putting in a new defensive system in front of goaltender Vesa Toskala..."It needs to do a better job killing penalties. I think I can help make a difference here...My goal is obviously to win a Stanley Cup...The team I was coaching in San Jose was starting to knock on that door. We're nowhere near as close with the Maple Leafs organization."
On Tuesday, Wilson said he would be patient with the re-building team. "The job of the head coach in the NHL, there is a good part of development involved. You don't have the luxury in the salary cap era of putting guys in the minors for a few years." He would not make any concrete predictions about how quickly the team's fortunes could be turned around, but suggested it could be done relatively quickly in the new NHL.
"If we can be knocking on the door in two years, that will be a tremendous accomplishment," he said. "And then we just have to knock the door down."
WILSON OFFICIALLY TAKES OVER COACHING JOB IN TORONTO
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=240234&lid=headline&lpos=secStory_nhl
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And then we just have to knock the damn door down...Reminds me of Bum Phillips and his Houston Oilers trying to get past the Steelers in the AFC every year back in the mid to late 70's. They never did get past them, but they sure put up a good fight tryin'.
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""""I'm the happiest person in the National Hockey League today," Wilson said. "I'm fulfilling a dream."Wilson said he took his time to try and take the emotion out of his decision. "I needed a little bit of time to wrap my head around this and make sure I was ready to handle this kind of responsibility,"
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Ladies and gentlemen, Please fasten your seatbelts. Rotten Ronny Wilson's the new head coach. I have a feeling the Toronto Maple Leaf Golf and Country Club won't have as much of a laissez-faire feel to it this year. They'll probably even start to play before february. A lot of folks knock the guy but he's a professional career coach soon approaching that illustrious 600 win mark, which not a lot of folks have gotten to. I doubt his club will beat itself in the third periods they way it has the last two years. That should be worth at least ten points in the standings right there both of the last two seasons.
I don't care if he gets cranky with the knobheads from TSN or even some of these beat, as in beatoff, writers like Scotty Morrison and Damien Cox. They're miserable most days anyway. Hopefully he'll shove it right back at them and keep his focus on his club rather than his predecessor's preoccupation with appeasing the press every night for half an hour explaining away the losses. Or maybe he can have Cliff run a counter for him. Cliff's good with stickhandling around the media in Toronto. He doesn't tell them sh1t but always gives them a good interview. lol
Is it almost hockey season yet? Are we nearly there? | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 6:15:33 PM | Funny that they would hire a coach before they got a GM.
Kinda "bass ackwards" like most things in Leaf Land.
Is Cliff going to hang around until Burkie becomes available?
Will Cliff ever leave?
Sly if you ever get the opportunity (perhaps on you tube) listen to Ken Holland speak. There is no stick handling, He simply answers question and provides insight. It's always a pleasure and a learning experience to here him interviewed. Living down in Southern Ontario I got to hear the contrast between Holland and Fergie Jr. quite regularly and it was striking.
Gee it's been a whole week since those lousy play-off bums (Wings) last won a Cup.
I am with you Sly start the season tomorrow. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 7:08:24 PM | Well for one thing, Fergy was a terrible public speaker. Maurice was good but he had nothing to say ezcept that it takes young guys 3 and 4 years to mature in this league while he's getting beat by oldtimers like the Staal boys, and Kane and Toews and such.
Leafs drafted Kenny Holland way back when Ronny Wilson played defence for us. Wilson was a canadian back then.
All I meant by the Cliff remark is that these toronto media types just drive you up the wall with their non-stop coverage and non-stop commentary. Plus their negative almost all the time whether their chatting up the Leafs or what team is facing it's salary cap crisis yadda yadda. Example, they had Vinny lecavelier in Pittsburgh a week and a half ago to recieve an award the same night they gave Ovechkin his Rocket Richard trophy and Linden and Sundin won some awards. So the guy from TSN interviewing him at ice level just before the game starts says, Ya, congratualtions on your winning such and such award Vinny, how's the shoulder doing? Ok that's great to hear, but with hockey, we know we have to take the good with the bad, so what do you know about the rumoured firing of Coach Torterella and what are your thoughts on it?
And I'm sitting their thinking like who gives a f...king rat's a.ss about torterella possibly getting fired soon. Why not ask Vinny a bit about all the charity work he's involved in around tamp bay for kids and stuff with the award he got, or ask him about his club picking up Stamkos in the upcoming draft, or even ask him a bit about the rehab process or who he likes out there in the Finals. i mean he's there because it's the Finals. No, they have to ask him about his coach getting maybe fired. You could almost see in his face he didn't want to talk about something like that on camera. Hockey players don't like talking about stuff like that especially live on air. Anyways, when you see the way they're always angling with their interviews trying to get or make up a scoop, you understand why it drives people nuts. Holland would eventually lose it on some of these guys as well. I'm surprised they even let this damien Cox into the building when you read the stuff he writes about the club that's his beat. Same with this Morrison. Too much innuendo instead of just talk hockey and the hockey club. Holland's a helluva GM with a helluve good braintrust all around him. They stick to hockey in their interviews because that's all that's important. but no, not in toronto. I think the average redwing fan is more sophisticated than the average leaf fan. When detroit sucked the building was empty. Plain and simple. Whether four detroit news and sports stations followed them around everyday pestering them for interviews about anything, it wouldn't matter. The building would still be empty.
What's his name, the ex-GM of Columbus was commenting on how unreal the media is in Toronto about the Leafs. Nothing, absolutely nothing is left out and despite their club being one of the worst bunch of underachievers and underperformers seen in years, they still fill the building and they still dominate the sportspages. It is what it is.
Cliff doesn't waste much of his time getting into contentious discussions with the media. He's a sly old silver fox. He knows his clubs the sh.its but he still stickhandles thru these guys making them feel good they talked to him. He's got nothing to say because he probably still has no real clue which way he's gonna go on all of this. i'm fine with him sitting at the top kind of like Scotty is in detroit. So long as he starts surrounding himself with some good people, he'll be Ok if he's gotta do the drafting and the buyouts and all that stuff. It's not his first barbecue. I thought he would maybe start grooming Gilmour the way they're grooming Stevey Y. Florida wouldn't allow Cliff to talk to Joey Niuewendyk about a position. You know you have guys like Gilmour and Nieuwendyk hanging around then you've got some winning atmosphere in the air. He'll be alright even if they do wait it out to get Mr. Loudmouth from out in Anaheim next year.
Hiring Wilson gives him and Cliff time to figure out what Wilson wants to maybe do with this club before training camp. He's good with the youth, but he was real good with the older guys on the Caps 98 Final run. We'll never know, but a different coach may not have had all those third period meltdowns the last two years. You can't convince me they overachieved to finish where they finished. Even further back a second year with better personnell underachieving is all it was.
We've got two good hockey guys at the top here right now. We''ll be Ok over the summer. I doubt we're going to transform ourselves into the Red Wings by September, but we'll have a few things go down the pipe here this summer now that we have an experienced coach. And i still say the east for a good few years now, is little more than a crapshoot once you're in the playoffs. I think this year there was four or maybe five clubs in the playoffs that weren't their last year. The worm turns bigtime in the east.
A few changes. Little tinkering here and there. Cliff's good at that. | |
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Posted: 6/10/2008 7:48:08 PM | Wow that was beautiful Sly.
"Hope Floats" in Toronto!
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Posted: 6/10/2008 11:42:41 PM | ive said it during the season kaos that i wished the flames would take on more of the wings sucess. i also said during that losing streak it could be the best thing to happen to the wings.
its not blind obedience last season we should have had taratukin or what ever his name is but he bolted to russia. geo went there also. thats 2 younger rookie contracts we could have had on our team .
its takes awhile to build a elite team, and from what i see and what i hear the flames are on that track.
the wings are at the peak looking down, its easy to look at other clubs and laugh. however the flames are getting halfway up the mountain and every time they get knocked down they are fixing a problem.
06-no scoring
07-bad away- but goal scoring wasnt a problem, tied for 4th in the nhl
08-balanced team, kipper was not kipper
09-some kids get some playing time, flames have lots more scouts in sweeden,
if the flames an luck out and have 3 kids ready to play a full season, i say luck cause we put to much pressure on players to be nhl ready by 20 now. it takes a massive load off singing ufa's.
the entry draft is where the next season starts, from the sounds of things the flames have a move in play.
with the exact same squad from last year the flames and all the northwest can only do better. that 8 times a year was bull, the northwest had to murder each other at the end of the season, take only 6 games and more games against div 2 (east) and you may have seen all 5 or maybe 4 teams from the northwest in the playoffs.
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Posted: 6/12/2008 9:13:23 AM | Awards night
The nominees
Norris (top defenseman): Lidstrom; Zdeno Chara, Boston; Dion Phaneuf, Calgary.
Prediction- Lidstrom
Selke (top defensive forward): Datsyuk; Zetterberg; John Madden, New Jersey.
Prediction- Datsuyk
Lady Byng (sportsmanship): Datsyuk; Jason Pominville, Buffalo; Martin St. Louis, Tampa Bay.
Prediction- Datsuyk
Masterton (perseverance): Chelios; Jason Blake, Toronto; Fernando Pisani, Edmonton.
Prediction- Blake
Adams (top coach): Babcock; Bruce Boudreau, Washington; Guy Carbonneau, Montreal.
Prediction- Carbonneau
Calder (top rookie): Nick Backstrom, Washington; Patrick Kane, Chicago; Jonathan Toews, Chicago.
Prediction- Kane
Vezina (top goaltender): Martin Brodeur, New Jersey; Henrik Lundqvist, N.Y. Rangers; Evgeni Nabokov, San Jose.
Prediction- Lundqvist
Hart (MVP): Jarome Iginla, Calgary; Evgeni Malkin, Pittsburgh; Alexander Ovechkin, Washington.
Prediction- Ovechkin
Pearson Award (Players Assc. MVP) Jarome Iginla, Calgary; Evgeni Malkin, Pittsburgh; Alexander Ovechkin, Washington.
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Posted: 6/13/2008 11:16:08 AM | My predictions were pretty close!
I am sure the rules were changed at the last minute leaving me with no points.
Oops wrong thread.
Here is an article that every NHL fan should read.
Puts into focus the true meaning of the Stanley Cup. Helps to explain why we should not worry about the Cup and rather be proud of the stories telling of the bumps, dents and bruises the Cup has suffered through.
Truly these badges of honor adorn the peoples trophy.
http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080613/COL01/806130356/1048/sports | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 6:40:36 AM | | The Panthers hired former Plymouth Whalers coach, Peter DeBoer, as their new coach, giving him an undisclosed multiyear deal on his 40th birthday. DeBoer coached the Whalers from 1995 to 2001, winning two Ontario Hockey League regular-season titles, three division titles and two conference titles. He was named OHL coach of the year twice and had a .646 winning percentage on 237 victories before moving to the OHL's Kitchener Rangers for the 2001-02 season. He won the Memorial Cup in his second season in Kitchener and led the Rangers to the OHL championship this season. In his seven years in Kitchener, he compiled 297 victories with a .676 percentage. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 7:30:28 AM | | watching the child-like antics of wilson in toronto will finally give the leafs some entertainment value. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 8:10:40 AM | Asked what the Leafs' most pressing need was, Fletcher said: "Some quality players..." 
http://www.faceoff.com
http://tinyurl.com/5t3tsm
At least he's honest.
As for Wilson, at least he's not stupid enough to say it'll be the best squad he's ever coached and they WILL challenge for the Stanley Cup while they drop back another ten points in the standings. Two year timeline to be competitive. Much better than false misleading statements. But, because the east was so incredibl;y inconsistent this past year with every team taking their turn at looking like Conference champs, I'm gonna say they make the playoffs this year even before they start retooling this roster.
Looks like I've got myself free tickets to the draft this weekend in Ottawa. Maybe I'll break the line and go give Cliffy some input out on the traders floor...
I had a buddy back when i was growing up that was a schoolboy chum of Harstburgs back when he played junior B in his hometown of Stratford back in the mid 70's. Hartsburg's a classy guy, but just to throw the fly in the ointment for Sens fans, Hartsburg's 3rd year as coach of the Blackhawks in 97/98 was the first time in 29 years the Blackhawks missed the playoffs. The second longest streak in sports history at the time to the Bruins. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 8:16:58 AM | As for Wilson, at least he's not stupid enough to say it'll be the best squad he's ever coached and they WILL challenge for the Stanley Cup while they drop back another ten points in the standings
wilson is brilliant as a technical coach.if he wasnt swo self serving he would be the best in the league. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 10:45:19 AM | | Check out the Hockey Pool thread. | |
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