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Posted: 9/11/2009 6:31:40 PM | | Make that $95M...bad math...lol! | |
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Posted: 9/14/2009 6:49:22 AM | Tough call WHO was the winner on yesterday's Heatley trade. Potential galore for both sides I suppose, but it'll depend on who "shines" in their new role to determine the winner in that deal.
Glad the saga's over anyhoo
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Posted: 9/14/2009 3:49:17 PM | What has everyone got against the Coyotes? The desert is just as good for a franchise as anywhere else and I think it says a lot about the fans that its survived this long! Long may it carry on. :)
Saying you shouldn't have hockey in the desert is like saying the yanks shouldn't bother playing football!  
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Posted: 9/19/2009 5:19:20 PM | Not replying to the Coyotes. The Bruins traded Phil Kessel to the Leafs for a few draft picks. Obviously he didn't want to be in Boston. It's ok. I wish him well up in the great white north. This should help the Leafs with scoring. I hope some of those future prospects from the AHL step up and get tight with Savard and Wheeler. Lets go B's. 
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Posted: 9/20/2009 3:57:49 PM |
What has everyone got against the Coyotes? The desert is just as good for a franchise as anywhere else and I think it says a lot about the fans that its survived this long!
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Posted: 9/21/2009 7:09:05 AM | | What's to kid about? Phoenix has understandably never been a hockey town because of where it is, but they still pull in a lot more fans than you'd expect them to. The America West Arena was always poor and inadequate for hockey, but Jobing.com arena is a big improvement. The teams form has always been poor and they still average around 13,000! For a team in the desert thats never won a damn thing that's pretty impressive. | |
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Posted: 9/21/2009 8:46:27 AM | Phoenix has been one of the bottom three teams, attendance wise, 5 of the past 8 years. They have the worst cumulative attendance in the NHL this century.
I won't argue that for a team in the desert, drawing 13,000 fans is good. That's not the point. The point is, drawing 13,000 fans to an NHL game is frikkin brutal! They would have a bigger season ticket base than that if they were placed in Red Deer Alberta!
If franchises remained in places based on the fact that they draw well, considering the circumstances, then baseball would still be in Montreal and NBA would still be in Vancouver. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2009 2:36:28 PM | As someone originally from the Hamilton area, the issues a lot f fans (particularly the Canadian ones) have, is that the NHL insists on having franchises struggle and fight in markets that are non-viable long term while potential hotbeds go ignored. Phoenix has bever turned a profit since they've moved there in the summer of 1996. The team lost 30 million dollars last year and previous owner Jerry moyes has lost 300 million total. The League has proven istelf to be hypocritical over this entire issue, claiming all last year that the team was fine before being forced to admit that they had lent it upwards of 85 million to keep
operating. They openly questioned Jim Ballsillie's credibility after they've courted lesser owners who wounnd up facing federal criminal charges only months later. And no matter nhow this shakes out, the NHL is looking at having up to six franchises face severe financial stress this season, ands they're all in souther Amercian markets. Yet the NHL will do everything to prop them up with negligible fan bases while ignoring market sthat would break even or maybe even turn a profit.
P.S. While only one, enormous thread on hocky? | |
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Posted: 9/22/2009 5:33:25 PM | Why is Hamilton considered a good market?
They barely support an AHL team.
Put a team in Toronto they deserve an NHL Team. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2009 5:48:00 PM | | Naah... Give Toronto an NHL team and next thing you know, they will want MLB and NBA franchises | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 12:26:09 PM | | I've had doubts about Hamilton's viability as a potential market as well, but a few years ago when ballsillie was trying to buy the Predators with the intent of bringng them to Hamilton (before Bettman had them sold to a group that included Boots Del Baggio, now a guest of one of America's finer penal institutions), he sold well over ten thousand season tickets on the possibility of having a team in the city next season. That was cash down. He reimbursed them after the NHL pulled their ownership shell game on him, buit you have to admit that's some serious interest. Throw in the 150 million Ballsillie plans to spend renovating Copps Coliseum if he gets the team and I can't think of any logical reason not to have a team there when the alternative is to have one constantly bleeding money in a market where few care about it. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2009 4:16:06 PM | | The NHL is going to end up owning something it does not want to own, simply to keep it away from Balsillie. I am convinced the Phoenix situation has a lot to do with NHLPA boss Paul Kelly's firing. There's no way a union whose members’ wages are dependant on the profitablility of the league’s franchises could be in support of a bid to keep the Coyotes in Phoenix. Why is the union keeping so quiet on this issue? There's something there that we are not hearing. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 8:24:45 AM |
Phoenix has been one of the bottom three teams, attendance wise, 5 of the past 8 years. They have the worst cumulative attendance in the NHL this century.
I won't argue that for a team in the desert, drawing 13,000 fans is good. That's not the point. The point is, drawing 13,000 fans to an NHL game is frikkin brutal! They would have a bigger season ticket base than that if they were placed in Red Deer Alberta!
If franchises remained in places based on the fact that they draw well, considering the circumstances, then baseball would still be in Montreal and NBA would still be in Vancouver.
For a team in the desert with no success to speak of I think that's a good base to build from, and it will take time as you'll always struggle to be successful without crowds and without success the crowds will remain below average. If they have a good season or two I could bet you'd see rising crowds and they'd have a much better future.
I think if we looked at other teams attendances across the years we'd see that too(I recall the blues struggled for a few years), sure it won't happen in dedicated hockey places such as canada, but across a lot of America it does, and probably at the start of a lot of franchises too until they have some success. Particularly if they move/start in a town with no hockey history at all.
Patience is a virtue, and if we always had the attitude of keeping hockey in certain places where it'll be popular no matter how badly the team does then most of America wouldn't have teams.
Of course had they been successful I may be inclined to agree with you. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 8:43:20 AM | Lemming, you are totally missing the point. There IS no base to build from in Phoenix. The vast majority of people DO NOT CARE ABOUT HOCKEY THERE!
Patience is a virtue? Try telling that to the guy who is losing $30M a year by trying to force feed a sport to people who are not in the least bit interested. This has nothing to do with building a sport from a solid base. This has everything to do with trying to introduce a sport to a region that has no interest... never has, never will.
The Phoenix experiment has failed, miserably.
Edit... never mind. Just looked at your profile ands saw that you are from the UK. Chances are you have never even seen hockey before and I would be willing to bet the last two nickels in my pocket that you have done absolutely no research on the whole Phoenix issue.
Any actual hockey fans have anything to say today? | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 9:32:19 AM | | Wayne Gretzky has stepped down and away from the Coyotes....Nick Kypreos broke the story on the Fan 590.... The league wanted him out according to Kipper.... More to follow I guess... | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 11:23:27 AM | Sounds like Gretzky's abstaining from dealings with the team until this nasty little bankruptcy saga plays out. He's sure not doing himself a favour with respect to retaining/gaining popularity in them parts though.
Regarding the case itself, it's still pretty tough to predict how the cards will fall once Baum makes up his mind (or the longshot of arbitration happening and working) but Balsillie sure sweetened his offer yesterday at a hearing, offering to at least let the Coyotes finish the 09-10 season in Glendale if he does get the team. (sounded like Baum liked that change)
edit \/ \/ : I think Gretz should take the high road and stand behind the team right now. Sounds like his odds of getting paid something aren't hopeless either yet but he's cementing his "no job to go back to" status notably.
I do agree that it's crummy how stuff played out but I also agree that he stunk behind the bench so....... (tradeoff I guess) | |
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Posted: 9/24/2009 11:32:10 AM | | I actually feel sorry for Gretz, the way it went down... but he was an awful coach. | |
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Posted: 9/25/2009 12:03:18 PM | | Well, I think Gretz made a good move under the circumstances as things were starting to get antsy in the desert and the season starts PDQ. With all the team's troubles, scapegoats were becoming high in demand. Heck' it even sounded a tad like he misses home (the hockey COUNTRY) too. Sounds like Tippett's the man behind the bench in Phoenix now. | |
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Posted: 10/1/2009 9:14:56 AM | | After all's said and done, Baum decides to tuck'n roll, throwing the Coyotes back into limbo, and still at the expense of the rest of the league. What a sad mess. | |
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Posted: 10/1/2009 9:18:38 AM |
Lemming, you are totally missing the point. There IS no base to build from in Phoenix. The vast majority of people DO NOT CARE ABOUT HOCKEY THERE!
Evidently 13,000 fans disagree with you, so don't act like the arena is "empty" every week.
Did Dallas have a base for hockey before a team got there? Doesn't strike me as a hockey town. What about LA before any team ever played there? Nashville? Miami? Tampa? St Louis?
Perhaps we should review attendances at other places when they just started out with no hockey history, or how they drop when teams aren't successful so we actually have a decent comparison?
Patience is a virtue? Try telling that to the guy who is losing $30M a year by trying to force feed a sport to people who are not in the least bit interested. This has nothing to do with building a sport from a solid base. This has everything to do with trying to introduce a sport to a region that has no interest... never has, never will.
The Phoenix experiment has failed, miserably.
The point which you seem to miss is you have to introduce sports to other areas BEFORE they can catch on. And it is not an instant success, it never is. You can deny it all you want but it HAS caught on to a good degree. There was NO base, now there is 13,000 supporting probably the poorest NHL team through a hell of a lot of shit, and you dismiss it as a failure?
Edit... never mind. Just looked at your profile ands saw that you are from the UK. Chances are you have never even seen hockey before and I would be willing to bet the last two nickels in my pocket that you have done absolutely no research on the whole Phoenix issue.
So only Canadians can know about hockey? How judgemental, ignorant, and arrogant you are. The NHL has a global following, and despite it being a hell of a lot of trouble to keep up with from here I do my best. I've even seen Phoenix play before(no surprises we lost).
I guess being from the UK I'm well aware of introducing sports to other places. We've gone from practically dominating the world at the sports we invented to being absolutely bloody useless at them. Took a while for everywhere else to catch up though.
Of course Phoenix has been seriously mismanaged, they pay wages beyond their means and have built a new arena when the old one was never full (even though it was a disgrace for a hockey arena).
Hockey also exists in the UK, albeit of a very poor standard.
Any actual hockey fans have anything to say today?
How ignorant. Can anyone form something representing a substantial discussion or shall we all just make assumptions about each other? | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 2:05:41 PM |
Can anyone form something representing a substantial discussion or shall we all just make assumptions about each other?
Substancial discussion suggestion: GO OILERS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 2:39:36 PM | Good call, cheezychick
Heading into edmonton for my first game of the season Saturday. Here's hoping Carey Price is every bit as good as the last time he played at rexall!!! (7-2 edmonton last year) | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 3:17:15 PM | | This has nothing to do with what y'all are talking about right now...but...when did we get Pronger ?? I watched the Flyers last night and saw him !!! Ya....that should clear out some of the traffic in front of the Flyers net !! | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 3:31:46 PM | OMG!.........No one is allowed to talk about Pronger on here dude...did'nt cha get the memo?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...(lol , I used to love him...*sigh*)
So ummmm, got a date for that ratherb?... | |
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Posted: 10/7/2009 3:40:37 PM | ^^^^ Why no..no i didn't get that memo. Must be i'm "out of the loop".
We got Pronger !!! It was awesome seeing that tower skating around in a Flyer uni.!! | |
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