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| Dating European versus North american girls..
Posted: 10/9/2005 3:27:36 AM | | Sounds to me like you've had some negative experiences with American women and great experiences with Europeans. I just want to say try to keep an open mind. Everyone is different throughout the world...there are some ****y Europeans and some really great Americans. Stereotyping is the worst thing we all do. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2005 5:05:35 AM | i actually agree with this person - odd that.
now bear with me. I've traveled a great deal, lived in 2 european countries, and have very close relationships with several europeans with whom i discussed somethign very similar.
American women are generally rather repressed, as are the men. I know, that sounds ludicrous - americans are seen as crass and lacking all social mores by most of the rest of the world. The truth is that our puritan history has leeched into the general culture. Almost all of us, from an early age, are programmed to see sex as something dirty, something shameful. same goes for sexuality in general. I didn't read azzaro's post to mean he thought european women are whores - i read it as, european women have an easier time separating sex and love. there's a difference there, and i think he might be correct. We, as americans, have this guilt culture. We associate sex with shame, and therefore we insist that we can't screw someone we don't love. there is nothing wrong with a relationship based on mutual sexual gratification, if that's what both parties are looking for. it doesn't make either one of them a whore.
but as for the broader question - we coddle our young people. we generally don't allow them to live. it's different in europe. the views on relationships, education, life and growing are very different. i have a good friend who's a german, and he and his (then) fiance spent 2 months traveling the US. they both told me that she felt like a piece of meat here - the men AND women stared at her if she wore something sexy, and the clear implication was, she was somehow a BAD PERSON for dressing that way. She told me the feeling in europe was totally different...and that she saw americans and amazingly prurient.
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Posted: 6/8/2008 6:00:33 PM | | smartmatt82 is correct on this one. I spent a semester abroad in Sweden and had the time of my life and I'm what most would call the classic nice guy. When I moved to Texas last year, the girls where completely different. Half as attractive and didn't want anything to do with me. Its sad but it has to do with american culture and education. Americans just aren't educated like European women, and have religion and unhealth foods and habits shoved down their throats from birth. No wonder their so screwed up. Anyways, I'm moving back to Europe as soon as I can get a job or school over there to accept me. | |
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Posted: 6/8/2008 6:24:03 PM | Funny. I'm an American, but I only date European men for similar reasons.
American guys complain alot, are poorly socialized and pick fights all the time about "who's better, American or European women" and lame stuff like that. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2008 7:41:33 PM | Actually in a very real sense the OP is stating a fact that European women do tend to mature faster than those of the Western cultures. No I am not just speaking off the top of my head here I am ex- military and have travelled extensively in Europe visiting many different cultures. I find that European women are more open minded and care more about a persons character and intellect than whether or not he looks good in speedos. I am not saying that all are this way by any means and the same goes for North Americans but I am making generalizations as in this case it warrants it. By and large at an early age European women have already figured out how life works while most North Americans are still trying to figure out how to get the last drop out of the beer bong. At 20-25 Europeans already have their degrees and many consider themselves to be old maids or hags if by that time they are not married and have had children while here most women ( yes generalizing!) are still trying to party their ass off. It is all in the culture and how they approach life itself.
That said this topic has been covered before several times and is old news. For those about to break out the flame thrower at me for stating my opinions based on actuall encounters with those of other cultures please remember that I have been there in person and if you have not than you have nothing to base your observations on. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2008 7:57:52 PM | At 20-25 Europeans already have their degrees and many consider themselves to be old maids or hags if by that time they are not married and have had children
Maybe this was true 20 years ago in Europe, but not anymore. Generally, they are marrying much much later and population growth is slow-negative.
Here's the Census reports on the average age of FIRST marriages by country for women and men:
Argentina: 25.6 for men, 23.3 for women, 25 final average.
Brazil: 25.8 for men, 22.7 for women.
Canada: 30 for men, 27.4 for women, 28.2 final average.
Mexico: 24.6 for men, 22.4 for women, 23.5 final average.
Peru: 25.7 for men, 23.1 for women.
United States: 27.5 for men[1], 25.9 for women[2], 26.7 final average. (2006)
Europe
Austria: 30.3 for men, 27.9 for women.
Belgium: 28.9 for men, 26.6 for women.
Denmark: 32.5 for men, 30.1 for women.
Finland: 30.5 for men, 28.3 for women.
France: 31.2 for men, 29.1 for women.
Germany: 30.9 for men, 28.2 for women.
Hungary: 29.3 for men, 27 for women (2005)
Ireland: 30 for men, 28.2 for women.
Italy: 30 for men, 27.1 for women.
Netherlands: 30.7 for men, 28.3 for women.
Norway: 31.6 for men, 28.9 for women. (1999)
Poland: 26.2 for men, 23 for women.
Sweden: 32.9 for men, 30.4 for women.
Switzerland: 30.8 for men, 28.2 for women.
United Kingdom: 30.7 for men, 28.5 for women, 29.6 final average[3]. (2005) | |
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| Dating European versus North american girls..
Posted: 8/12/2008 9:05:44 PM | One thing that I found different in Italy and Spain, and in south America as well when I was there (Argentina and Venezuela), was the women seemed (in my opinion at least) to be much more receptive to , even expectant of, the men being more 'aggressive' and making the first moves, etc. They weren't as put off as some (stress some, not all) non-Latin north American women seem to sometimes be when men come onto them, flirt, what have you, especially in places the north American women's culture has told them is 'inappropriate' -- such as when they are in 'professional' mode working, etc.
Over there, at work or ... during work hours or what have you....it was like the girls fully expect it, and would almost be more like wondering what was wrong if the man was real quiet and wouldn't make any moves. The male culture is different as well. You don't find as many men hovering off in the corner wringing their hands afraid to say anything to a woman for fear of 'rejection', using online sites to get tips about what to say, how to 'approach', etc. It all just feels much more natural and flows much easier, IMO. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2008 9:57:26 PM | | TWSS...Thank you for the stats however I was also lumping in there with it those countries from Eastern Bloc nations or if you prefer the former Soviet Union as well. My bad for not clarifying that point . However I do stand by my statement that European women and including those from the Eastern Bloc as well are by and large more emotionally mature at a younger age than their Western counterparts. I wish I knew where it comes from but hey thats a another topic altogether. And to miss purrecious I do know what you mean as I married one! She was from Schweinfurt Germany. | |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 2:29:07 AM | A lot of truth in what the OP said. I've had the same experiences in my travels abroad.
If we can make generalizations it would look as follows:
European girls > North American girls | |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 2:58:29 AM | I lived and studied in the US for 6 years in the 80s. And I TEND to prefer American women to European ones.
Having said that:
Re post 28:
a) "American women are generally rather repressed, as are the men."
I agree, if it is phrased as "tend to be"
b) "The truth is that our puritan history has leeched into the general culture."
I fully agree. Eg wet T-shirt contests (!!), what a pretentious custom! eg the reaction over that boob accident in that Superbowl midtime show!!! eg the need to change album covers for some European artists selling in the US!! eg wearing conservative shorts type of swimsuits on the beach in the US (while OK at the swimming pool competitions), etc etc etc. Puritanical the "governing social dynamics" are in the US. Whereas Europe has more (NL, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, etc) or less (Poland, Ireland etc) become SECULAR since people were forced to go west due to persecution by the Holy Inquisition! Even, reversed!
c) "Almost all of us, from an early age, are programmed to see sex as something dirty, something shameful. same goes for sexuality in general."
Yeap!
Eg until a few years ago violence/blood was more permitted is US movies and TV than sex. In recent years, blood/violence has become much less permitted, but sex is still quite a taboo and a quick way to an R-rating for US audiences. Thus nudity and sexuality is more via symbols and thus less open than in (most of) Europe.
d) "I didn't read azzaro's post to mean he thought european women are whores - i read it as, european women have an easier time separating sex and love. there's a difference there, and i think he might be correct. We, as americans, have this guilt culture. We associate sex with shame, and therefore we insist that we can't screw someone we don't love. there is nothing wrong with a relationship based on mutual sexual gratification, if that's what both parties are looking for. it doesn't make either one of them a whore."
Agreed, with many individual exceptions, IMO.
Plus Europeans living in the US are not "Europeans" anymore, they are "European Americans". Thus the analysis on European women does not apply to them IMO.
e) "but as for the broader question - we coddle our young people. we generally don't allow them to live. it's different in europe. the views on relationships, education, life and growing are very different."
Indeed.
f) "i have a good friend who's a german, and he and his (then) fiance spent 2 months traveling the US. they both told me that she felt like a piece of meat here - the men AND women stared at her if she wore something sexy, and the clear implication was, she was somehow a BAD PERSON for dressing that way. She told me the feeling in europe was totally different...and that she saw americans and amazingly prurient.
In the last 30 years, Hollywood has given the world an impression of sexuality and sex antics in the US that is simply not representative of the majority or "dominant" US approach to those issues. I can thus understand the experience of the 2 Germans mentioned in the above quote.
Yet, in spite of those, I personally think that American women who defy this US norm (and there are many) ROCK! | |
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| Dating European versus North american girls..
Posted: 8/13/2008 2:58:43 AM |
(They)...care more about a persons character and intellect than whether or not he looks good in speedos. When you're dealing with a bunch of balding, middle aged, pot bellied, hairy backed men with ear hair; you work with what you have to work with.  
Over there, at work or ... during work hours or what have you....it was like the girls fully expect it Yeah, what can American women be thinking? They actually expect to go into a professional working environment and not be solicited for sexual favors? Puritanism at it's ugly core.
I'll be honest; I've never had sex with someone who wasn't from this continent; but I am quite satisfied with quality of the candidates. Thank you very much.
My bet is the poster was quite frustrated after having gone an extended period of time without female companionship; secondary to being an arrogant, over bearing, self entitled, sexist, a$$.  | |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 6:42:58 AM | windloverr ^^^^^lets see here. First lets get this straight. I have all my hair (none on my back thank you) All of my teeth some extra weight but no pot belly. Also as I previously posted and yes it still holds true even for you as you admit that you have never been there. This comes from personal experience as I have been there. Flame baiting without direct knowledge only shows your lack of intellect and as for name calling....pretty obvious when you have nothing else intelligent to add to a conversation the sort of language you will resort to using.   | |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 4:10:14 PM | I have traverlled and also lived in Europe for a long time. This subject is rather sensitive since we can't really say who is better than who. It really depends on where you have lived and the type of people you interract with. That said I would say that in my college days in England, sure the girls were way more receptive and up for a good talk and hang out. It seems that they gave more attention to the person as a whole not as one post said 'if you look good in speedo'. They also tend to keep away from the 'bad boys' I can confirm that. One of my cousins who live in Ireland said to me once' European girls don't tend to think that they live the 90210 lifestyle.
That said we can't say all American girls are screwed up. I have met many good ones but to be fair one can definitely see the difference in 'open mindedness' or even approchable factor that European girls tend to have.
I live in the Boston area and seldom go out with my friends and to say that the attitude of many of the North Eastern girls is pretty bad is an understatement. Travelling south, you can definitely see the difference. That said, it was just a general observations from my experience and not a statement that all American girls are screwed up. I know many screwed up European girls too ;) | |
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Posted: 8/13/2008 6:00:35 PM | ibscrooge....take your medicine, and calm down. My first remark was an allusion to older, out of shape, men in general, wearing speedos. I was, in no way, trying to single you out; or even address you at all; simply lifted one of your lines; and, believe it or not, was trying to inject a little humor. 
Flame baiting without direct knowledge ... Tit for tat; if you'll review the original post, you'll note that this entire thread is based on "flame baiting"; and I simply responded in kind.
you have nothing else intelligent to add to a conversation the sort of language you will resort to using. Any conversation that groups people universally, i.e. "North American Women" vs "European Women", is, by definition, not based on intelligence; and again, I responded in kind. Are you saying you feel the OP comes across as a happy, well adjusted, intellectually honest, sexually and socially mature individual, stating an open and honest assessment of North American women?
You actually attempted to use cultural influences and biases, and regional mores, to explain the differences; and explained them as differences vs. deficiencies. However dude, you are a bit quick on the defense trigger. Try practicing the Zen of POF forum posting.
FYI: I still feel the original poster is an a$$. | |
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Posted: 8/15/2008 10:40:11 AM | | Windloverr... sorry if I came back a bit strong there and my mistake for taking your quote as aimed at me. As I don't necessarily aggree with the OP on the way it was originally put out there I do see the context of what he is saying and that is what I have been commenting on. I have done extensive travelling in those countries and these are the personal experiences I have encountered as well as the fact that I had married a West German while serving there. I believe that this gave me much insight into how our two cultures differ and I am not intimating in one way or another which is better or worse by any means. The difference I think comes from how we as North Americans view age ,sex, and maturity. We need to remember that as such things go we are relatively a young nation as compared to those in Europe. Whereas they have had thousands of years of culture and social interaction we have only had a few hundred. This would of course tend to influence how their societies and social values/acceptance of differences would be viewed. You have to admit that as such things go we as a nation are rather repressed in many ways in our views of sex,age, and socially accepted behaviors. In other words we as a nation need to grow up a bit? | |
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Posted: 8/15/2008 11:30:43 AM | you've got to be kidding' there are no more aggressive women than in the u.s.
look at some of the posts; you have teenagers bragging about sleeping with everything they see and talking about anal and group sex, and many wanting 3somes and group sex. Many are very blunt and up front.
Many women in the U.S. especially young ones, lack class.
Women in Russia, Ukraine, Spain, and many other countries are so much smarter in regards to schooling, and so much more mature that it isn't funny. The U.K is a lot like the U.S. but by far, the U.S. has the most aggressive and sleazy women; NOT ALL OF COURSE SO NO HATE MAIL. | |
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Posted: 8/15/2008 11:46:25 AM | First off, I'm going to agree with you that as a general rule, Americans have no class and teens seem to be advancing this very annoying cultural trend of talking about their sex lives in the most bizarre, detached, unemotional fashion possible. Generally, it takes the Ami's more time to mature -- in general-- and develope some kind of compassion and sensitivity toward others, particularly others we are intimate with.
But it's a funny thing about American women and their "bluntness." I just had an old friend visit from Moscow, and he can't complain enough about Russian women. He is also Russian, and grew up in Moscow, so to him, there is nothing exotic about Russian women and he probably seels faults alot quicker than someone dazzled with the newness of the culture or the great sound of the accents. "American women are more direct and Russian's are high maintanence," in his opinion. This guy also asks my advice constantly on everything from his carreer to where he should buy a house -- not like I know -- and if I criticize an opinion of his, he gets all touchy and asks me to "tell him what I really think" and all that. Yet, he does keep asking. Even from 12k miles away.
Similarly, my bf is European and his last girlfriend was French and absolutely drove him crazy with a complete and total lack of directness and an inability to be straight with him ever. (To the point of finding a new man 3 months before breaking up with him, because of how "mature" she is about love and sex,etc.) Getting close to him was not easy by anymeans, because he was gunshy, but in the end, bluntness won me the day.
So yeah, American women are blunt. For some European and Russian guys, it's a nice change after dating their own cultural counterparts and running into all the opposite problems. Of course, for American guys, Europeans/Russians are going to seem like a very nice change for all the opposite reasons. I can certainly understand that appeal, since I seem to date alot of "foreigners" myself. 
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