| Real punk revived??
Posted: 10/15/2005 9:52:39 PM | all these so-called "punk" bands on the radio these days are as far from punk as Britney Spears is from wholesomeness.
The best punk bands are always underground. They may be well-known throught the underground scene, but they're FAR from mainstream commercial success.
Bands like D.O.A. and the Descendents are still giving it as much as they did 20 years ago, (although the Descendents broke up for a few years a couple of times).
As long as there still are people who are dissatisfied with the way things are run, the PUNK movement will never die. "PUNK" is just a name thrown at kids for looking different, and straying from mainstream style.
Its all about being true to yourself and speaking up when you feel things are being run unfairly. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 10/16/2005 3:42:00 PM | There was a period where I was into punk music, mostly by association (riding BMX, hanging out in skate parks) and the energy of the music appealed to me.
Now I'm at a point where I almost despise most punk music. I really think the appeal of punk music is that it is easy to play...the kids don't have to practice much in order to play it...to me that totally defeats the purpose of playing music.
Of course there are a handful of punk bands that do create good songs and can really play their insturments...I liked Strung Out's "An American Paradox" but for the most part, there is no "real" punk, punk is just punk and that attitude will never die....punk gives lazy musicians a chance to sell some records.
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 10/16/2005 3:49:11 PM | I cant stand those lazy mall rat kids with the black hair and eyeliner and stuff they do in attempt to be "unique"
Insist you're individual
you're all the ****ing same!
Another pierced appendage
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 10/18/2005 10:31:05 PM | Hey Hey, how bout a REAL punk band that's been revived after a 5 year hiatus...
PROPAGANDHI!!! These guys truely rock, and their new album is a little less punk than their other stuff...there's a noticeable improvement in the drum and bass playing....
As always, their lyrics are great, always promoting political awareness, these guys are real punk, and they can play their instruments too!!!!
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 10/20/2005 9:15:58 AM | the Dropkick Murphys were f*ckin awesome last night!!!!!!!!!!
the "so-called punk" bands you hear on the radio and see on TV are the furthest thing from "PUNK" | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 4/16/2006 3:31:18 AM | | haha punk is always around somtimes you have to dig a little deeper to find it but its well worth the effort-check out DEATH BY STEREO they are fu*kin ace,social distortion are still around as are bad religion,operation ivy evolved into rancid whos very own lars friederickson has released two trully amazing records with the basta*ds,the refused are now the international noise conspiricy & the ramones & the clash left quite a legacy in thier wake.can anybody reccomend any other good punk bands? | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 4/16/2006 1:06:44 PM | I agree that the old punk is dead. Punk was more than just a musical genre it was an attitude and about lifestyle choices. Back then there was NO acceptance in the general population for my mohawk and collars but today, kids can wear anything they want and no one raises an eyebrow. Back then, our "pits" were civilized- just as violent but when you went down people moved or someone pulled you up. Today is an imitation.
An earlier post said You can't pretend to be punk. Very Very true. Punk was politcal and made a statement about yourself. I am and always will be a "punk" My hair is long but I make up for in tattoos. Same statement- I am who I am and you can either accept me for it or F.O.!
One of the highlights of being in London was I got to see the Damned play! It was in the mid 90's but wow! That old feeling from way back was still there. I cant find that today with the new artist/crowds. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 4/16/2006 8:28:50 PM | | I would agree with ILoveMusic, especially about the political side of the equation. Groups like The Clash had definite (and pretty sophisticated) political views which they were able to blend into their songs. And it didn't come over as heavy-handed. Perhaps my view is too shuttered now, but can anyone imagine someone writing something like "Spanish Bombs"? | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 4/16/2006 9:40:10 PM | Being a bit of a musical connoisseur and punk historian, any revival is just that: a revival of the past. That doesn't mean that there's not some good bands coming out, but you can never get back to the actual time when those bands were creating music that was dangerous for a reason: people hated those bands. The average music listener hated protopunk bands like the Stooges, MC5 and New York Dolls. The average music listener hated bands like the Ramones, Sex Pistols, Dead Boys, Radio Birdman, Chosen Few, (and to a much lesser, but equally important in my eyes), The Testors. We've got to a point in musical history where those bands are rightfully getting their due and people are actually liking those bands, but what people forget is that those groups were against the bloated sounds of the 70's, like ELP, Yes, Pink Floyd and other bands like that--which means that the average music listener back then didn't like the "subculture", nor did the subculture like the mainstream.
Not to be defeatist with any newer bands, but they'll never get that time and era back. The problem with music and radio nowadays, is that it's still too safe, and still too stringent to allow alot of innovation, so for the next 1000 years, all you'll get is one band that's ripped another band off, as opposed to experimental music that's truly pushing the boundaries and blazing it's own trail. People forget that punk used to mean doing your own thing, not following someone else's template. | |
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Posted: 4/17/2006 1:04:43 PM | LOL- I am not flaming..... but you were in diapers then. CONSIDER THAT ....To truly appreciate what this thread is about, you had to be in that scene, listening to that music etc. You cant look back on it and understand! I was only on the very tail end in a teeny place called Edmonton (83-84) when it was almost dead here and buried in the rest of the world. I have always questioned my understanding of it given the time and place I was exposed to it. I only became sure I was "one of them" when I was in that london gig (1995) with all the "old crowd" who were there in the time and place when it started. Best group experience I have ever had and nothing will ever top it.
The music was secondary to the message- we didnt CARE what anyone thought and we didnt do it because what other people may or may not have liked. We had a term for people who did- Plastic punk! We had nothing to do with them. I was sitting in school one day and said "I am a punker"; Everyone laughed at me- I didn't know anyone who was like that and I never really listened to punk music. I came in the next day with a mohawk and never looked back! I don't understand what happened but I just knew where I fit in. I let my hair grow out in 85 but we were still all one group with many of us merging to the goth scene as it both overlapped the punk scene but managed to survive with a similar message. I am still goth today even though I look normal enough! I still meet up with others from then and they are the same as I am- we live normal lives but the attitude remains.
I guess I am trying to emphazise is the social condition is what made it what it was- there is tolerance today for just about everything. Then, I use to have to wear a dog chain around my waist in case I had to fight or threaten someone off who was abusive to how I looked! I couldnt get a pt job and my family refused to put me in pictures with them. My friends parents actually called the school to complain that their kids were friends with me and to keep little johnny/jane away from me. Every last one of us shared this experience collectively. Were we angry, rebellious and lashing out? Of course and you would be too if you took that much s**t but music was the release and not the culture. This is what you cant understand..... although I dont doubt you get the music.  if you can call it that- 99.9 % of punk bands couldnt play an instrument or sing if their lives depended on it and all you needed to know was 3 chords, have a good scream and enough attitude to carry it off.
Thinking of experimental music, pushing boundaries, trail blazing, ripping off another band, or thinking about doing our own thing would have meant we cared! Also, there wasnt a single sub-culture then (mod, new wave, romantics etc) who liked mainstream but the mainstream did start to like the subculture when they clued in we had a place we belonged and could go to gigs without knowing anyone and be in a room of "friends". As I said, goth was one of the few things in north america at least, that escaped. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 4/17/2006 8:44:35 PM | LOL- I am not flaming..... but you were in diapers then. CONSIDER THAT ....To truly appreciate what this thread is about, you had to be in that scene, listening to that music etc. You cant look back on it and understand!
 Are you referring to me? Even if you aren't, I guess we can't listen to what other people have said about those times, right? There's no way I had to be there in order to know what they stood for or anything like that; i've listened to the guys who have been through that. What you're telling me is nothing that I haven't heard from Mike Ness, Sonny Vincent, (RIP) Johnny Thunders, (RIP) Joey and Johnny Ramone, Stiv Bators, et al. Sorry. You can't tell me that I can't look back on it in hindsight and appreciate those guys for what they went through; it's the reason why I respect them so much to begin with. Get a reality check.
Were we angry, rebellious and lashing out? Of course and you would be too if you took that much s**t but music was the release and not the culture.
No offense, but just because you were in that scene doesn't mean that you had a proper perspective of it--just as your argument that "you weren't there, therefore you can't possibly know" towards us isn't true for everyone. If anything, your own perspective of it might be distorted and skewed. It doesn't matter whether someone donned a mohawk in 1983, 2003 or 2013.....the fact is, there's always guys that have done it before, and that won't change my own stance on it. 1983 is a far cry from 1976, ground zero in Cleveland or New York (or '73/ '74 with Rocket From the Tombs or New York Dolls), or 1969 in Detroit with the Stooges and MC5, and at least 5 years after even DOA started. See what I mean? | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 4/17/2006 10:24:38 PM | | I did make a response to this but it would have been in violation of forum rules. If you want to continue this discussion, email me. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 4/19/2006 7:36:46 AM |
Punk is not dead, it has evolved as will anything......
evolved? Evolved into a peice of shit. I can crap better punk than this substandard, socialite, pop culture whore promoting, ****y bandwagon, softcore bullshit.
This person was close but it goes like this...
"punk is not dead, it just sucks now" | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 4/23/2006 12:50:25 PM | I tend to think that punk never really left, it was simply drown out by hair bands of the 80's then the explosion of rap/hip hop/R&B. In running my studio I have had the opportunity to record all sorts of various bands and an assort ment of styles but the latest band I am working with is a favor to some friends of the family. The band is of a few 13-15 year old who I were told played punk music... and I thought ok, what is a 13 year olds definition of punk, I shuddered to think that they may be looking towards Avril Lavigne and the like. So I setup a session to record these kids and I was blown away not only by their talent, at 13 I guess what else do you do in your free time, but to hear punk music. The voclas were rough and they had various areas that were lacking but the music was projected with such angst and passion behind their lyics, and to sit and read they lyrics of a socio-political nature I was brought back to the first time I heard Anti-Flag. So I have to say that punk isnt dead it was just hidden in the masses.
Now as for some people who seem to have a problem diferentiating between punk music and the prefabricated, overpriced, tag it ship it and sell it to the masses with a pretty face to sell it "punk style" or the flip side hardcore punks who think the bands of their youth have sold out I suggest you have a read of this article by Greg Gaffin(Bad Religion) in how he came to look at a definition of what is punk, it is a good short read.
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=755313
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 6/10/2006 7:56:23 AM | Sex Pistols will never be the same without Sid Vicious,johnny wrotten and sid vicious,lets face it ...............That was punk rock to me ,new stuff on tour sex pistols samething,but no
sidney.............Viscious chose his life by the needle......PUNK FOR ME WAS LATE 70'S & 80'S
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 6/10/2006 9:50:56 AM | | the first records to be considered punk were by the garage bands from the 60's and then bands like the Velvet Underground, MC5 and the Stooges. The best punk is from the late 70's to mid 80's. There is good new punk now who are in the tradition like the Spits, The Marked Men, M.O.T.O., The Black Lips, The Cheater Slicks, and so on. Bands like Green Day are not punk, thats commerical music and nothing more | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 6/10/2006 10:11:52 AM | Plus, I don't know if the industry will ever be the same. It's hard to say whether a band like Green Day would ever command the respect of a band like the Ramones, Dead Boys or even the MC5. I say that because my own views on it don't necessarily reflect what or how other younger people perceive music, but I do think that the industry has got to a point where I don't know if bands--even if they are as big as Green Day (and remember that the Clash were huge and still had respect)-- can ever really attain that ingrained respect anymore, out of the fact that it's been done so many times before them.
But like I say, it's hard to view this objectively anymore, because the older I get, the less respect that I have for any newer bands--and i'm not seeing it the way "this" generation sees the music. But I do think that the current disposability of artists--and the industry as a whole-- may make it nearly impossible for any punk band to come along and have any real lasting impact. So in other words, it can be revived, but is it authentic or will it stand the test of time? Only time and history will prove that. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 6/10/2006 12:05:12 PM | | I guess I'll be cool and acknowledge the greatness of the Descendants. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 6/12/2006 4:32:32 PM | Conforming to the Mainstream.
thats what you see in shopping malls
"Rebellion" is the latest fashion trend
the so called "punk" you hear on commercial radio, and see on your Music TV Shows, is so far from being seriously considered Punk Rock. It's commercial drivel to sell ripped up jeans and $70 Chucks to rich subburban kids who are dying for an excuse to rebel against their parents who give them everything and let them get away with murder.
All the "PUNK" bands are getting old, or splitting up. There's not too many up and coming bands that truly embody what is "Punk". Sporting a moehawk doesn't make you punk when you **** and whine about girls and being treated like a little kid. If you'd quit whining about everything that doesn't go YOUR way, you might be treated as an adult. I got myself into a rant here, so I'm just gonna leave with a quote from my fav pin on my punk rock jacket. "CHEER UP EMO KID" | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 6/13/2006 9:01:48 AM |
I guess I'll be cool and acknowledge the greatness of the Descendents
the Descendents are AWESOME!!!!!!!!
I wish I could see them play vancouver
Face to Face does a wicked cover of the Descendents song BIKEAGE | |
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luna69
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Joined: 2/26/2006
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 6/30/2006 11:34:38 PM | Anybody Love Prodigy? Breath, Fire Starter,Funky shit,Poision,Mindfields,Smack My **** Up. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 7/6/2006 12:47:20 PM | | All the old skool punks rant and rave about how the new punk sound is industry made and marketed. Pls have a look back at the Sex Pistols....put together by the industry, dressed by Viv. Westwood and makrketed by Malcom to sell and appeal to a certain audience. New punk bands are no different from Sid Vicious (they're there to look pretty and can't really play worth a damn)... | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 8/22/2006 10:05:37 PM | To me, the punk lifestyle is simply about having rebellious views. By rebellious I don't mean dressing a certain way or liking certain bands, I mean to have intelligent but agressive and unappologetic opinions about specific or all authority.
Real punk music is created by bands who write unique lyrics that have meaning and perform those words with an energy and excitement unparalleled to almost any other type of music. It's not made for executives, radio DJs or MTV, and certainly not for the typical lazy music fan who accepts what is pushed on them. Punk is for the few who ignore, resist and question the popular music that is so easily accesible and instead take the time to find, understand and enjoy the punk music created by the many bands that play not just for you, but for themselves.
Am I wrong? | |
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