| Real punk revived??
Posted: 8/22/2006 11:10:27 PM | | ..Yesterday I picked up some Agent Orange and before that some Minor Threat ..Im an old school punk from back in the day .Most of the stuff they pass on as punk these days does nothing for me only because Im an old man attached to the 70's and 80's sound thats all . | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 8/22/2006 11:51:59 PM | It's not dead!
The Casualties, Whole Wheat Bread, Global Threat, Rancid (not so much), The Distiller's (again)... dead hasn't died. For a while it got over taken and overshadowed, but it was always still alive... just deep in the underground. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 8/23/2006 10:06:10 AM | | the best new punk is not commercial stuff or EMO. Glad to see there is an interest in 80's hardcore punk like Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Bad Brains, Negative Approach and Minor Threat or the local heroes here Violent Appathy | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 8/23/2006 5:44:15 PM | 1. My punk band: http://www.myspace.com/cthuwulf (combined age of the band? 97!)
2. Punk, like all art forms, is a matter of subjective taste. I've found solace in it's sounds for 18 years now...and really don't see myself tossing it because of a societal convention. On the flipside, I dont' feel as if I'm perpetuating a "look" or "movement" with it...I just like what I like. --S | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 8/24/2006 7:22:06 AM | | I know its not dead but a 41 year old dude going to all ages shows looks funny so Im not really out looking for new stuff and Im not going to shows anymore so Im stuck in a time warp.... I have a couple of second generation punks of my own to take care of these days.. Im always asking my 13 year old questions like > do you have my Iggy what did you do with that Clash CD ? < | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 8/25/2006 6:51:57 PM | | Well, if you go by the type of music it was, the actual styles not all that hard to imitate. Now, if we're talking about the punk movement, I think that was dead as soon as it was classified. I'd probably defend my case better sober, but oh well. It's bad enough that my idea of drunken debauchery is going to a forum on a dating website. Oh, I also believe that ska was the natural progression of punk rock. But I'm probably crazy. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 8/27/2006 10:05:10 PM | | There will always be punk.. and it's not the crap you see on MTV, Much Music or hear on some stupid radio station. Punk is alive and well. It's a lifestlye, not an image. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 8/28/2006 11:43:01 AM | I think punk was more of an era than a music genre. So, it can only be copied now. If you listen to old Punk, you can see a tremendous variety of music... but it was the spirit behind it that made it one style.
Now people think they are punk if they have a funny hair cut. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 8/29/2006 7:32:17 PM | Punk can never be truely defined, thats its magic. maybe all forms of music are like this to fans who knows. I started with 80's hardcore and moved back in time and forwards from therre. It is part of how I define myself (ageing punk). I have debated and searched for the original punk band and never made up my mind. One thing I learened early on when talking to people about my chosen type og music, which in the late 80's wasn't widely popular or accepted, is that under NO circumstances will I JUSTIFY MY MUSICAL TASTES TO ANYONE!!! I like what I like becasue thats what I like. Do i like the new pop punk and emo bands that are sprouting up all over the place, yes, they are still better than going back in time and having to listen to sh*t like Miami Sound Machine and Heart on commercial radio. Anyhow thats my two cents, i don't know if that helps anyone or not but screw you I could care less!
So how does this pertain to the OT. How can you say it ever died or has be revived if you can't and shouldn't define it in the first place
peace out everybody!!! | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 8/30/2006 11:41:37 AM | ^^excellent post^^
I think what Musikmaster said is right on. It is a state of mind, an ethos.
I think a lot of people are pissed because quote un" punk is now the mainstream. It's not shocking. If you were into it back in the day, you likely got beat up or had to fight becuase of your looks. Now you can find "punks" everywhere.
A lot of it is a pre-packaged look and sound w/music. And the conformity of music, by it self is a thread.
But PUNK is alive and well with every kid, adult or elder who says "this sucks and I don't like it
I'm doing what I want to do". | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/7/2006 10:11:23 PM | | Punk is just an attitude really anyways but the groups that say they are punk nowadays mostly aren't or are crappy emo and are pop bands like Blink 182. While Green Day has a punk influence they are mainly just a rock band in my eyes even though they've had a few punk albums like the brilliant American Idiot & Insomniac which was even heavier than Dookie. Dropkick Murphys from Boston,MA are punk but they use Irish celtic music mixed in with it and then you ahve great punkabilly bands like The Living End and so forth but punk is still around but not in the form it was once in. Everything evolves but I'll agree that most of the stuff today isn't punk but hell the best punk band ever The Clash were more than punk anyways and they influenced everybody. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/8/2006 8:48:30 PM | punk never realy died it just grew up and spilt in to diffrent forms
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pop punk-the blink182,good charlotte,sum41,PANIC! @the disco,radio exploited stuff that 12-15 dig because they think it rebelous and can relate to the sappy messages
hardcore -mostly still indy and alot has gone kinda metalish alot of good bands are still around(pennywise, bad religon) and alot of new bands are good as well (rise against,protest the hero, alexisonfire)
ska -though it's kinda fizzled in the past few years
new wave etc etc
but my bigest peeve is people who buy the shirts with the sex pistols and ramones stuff on it but are not wearing it because there fans but because it's "trendy" | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/9/2006 10:05:18 PM |
eg..
pop punk-the blink182,good charlotte,sum41,PANIC! @the disco,radio exploited stuff that 12-15 dig because they think it rebelous and can relate to the sappy messages
hardcore -mostly still indy and alot has gone kinda metalish alot of good bands are still around(pennywise, bad religon) and alot of new bands are good as well (rise against,protest the hero, alexisonfire)
ska -though it's kinda fizzled in the past few years
new wave etc etc
but my bigest peeve is people who buy the shirts with the sex pistols and ramones stuff on it but are not wearing it because there fans but because it's "trendy"
Panic! At The Disco is not pop-punk, they're dance/glamcore. Hardcore came from metal, and the metalish bands are called metalcore.
And ska hasn't fizzled. You're just not looking hard enough. Streetlight Manifesto, Ska-P, Catch 22, Reel Big Fish, The Satanic Surfers, The Flatliner's etc. etc. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/10/2006 10:06:38 AM | | Punk as music can be done again. But with the outrageous amount of new punk bands, I don't know if a cheap, simplistic raw sound would get noticed. But I don't think "punk", as it was, was really much about the music. The music was the voice of punk in most respects, but the attitude is what it was about. And that attitude is what's being covered up. Wearing expensive name-brand clothing with a 12 inch purple mohawk is a sign of that. I'm not saying that these guys/girls are posers or anything, just that trying so hard to look pretty isn't very punk. It's become stylish. Once all of these fads go away, though, I think we'll see that true punks are still around almost as much as they were in the 80's. They're just camoflauged right now. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/12/2006 2:24:46 AM | Real punk is dead. All you have now is people who dress like real punkers dressed and play songs in the same style as them. They basically conform then **** about conforming.
Music should be natural, if it comes out classical, so be it, if you have to model yourself and how you play to fit a category, then you are a reproduction, not the real thing. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/12/2006 10:35:31 PM | Canadian punk legends D.O.A. are still ripping shit up since they started in 78
they're playing a show at the Cobalt on Main St on October 5th
I figure, as long as there is social and political injustice in the world, and there are people who are willing to spread awareness of it, PUNK WILL NEVER DIE!!!! | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/19/2006 10:03:07 PM | Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedys said it best "Punks not dead, it just deserves to die".
with all this emo screaming girl pants wearing crap i see these days...it deserves to die.
but if you look really hard you can find some really good punk bands out there. I will give you a hint...stay away from the major labels when looking. Eventhough im a huge Bad Religion fan and a fan of some Epitaph bands....I still try to listen to a lot of local bands or to the classics like DK, BR, BF, BB, Dead Milkmen, Misfits, MT, SD, or even the smiths.
but as for thoes good punks bands of today.....F-Minus, Leftover Crack, American Distress, Propagandhi, old Anti-Flag, ect....you can even throw in some Tiger Army, Nekromantix, or the Rev.
IMHO....anything played on the radio or shown in a music video these days are not punk...but merely a fashion show.
id like to see thoes scene kids with Fall Out Boy shirts on goto a real punk show at a small venue and really see how punk was and should be played today. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/20/2006 7:38:05 PM | id like to see thoes scene kids with Fall Out Boy shirts on goto a real punk show at a small venue and really see how punk was and should be played today.
Here, here.
But I just gotta add, Fall Out Boy is by no means scene. If any kid is claiming they are, beat them. Honestly. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/22/2006 1:15:27 AM | Punk is dead in ACTUALITY. But in memory and heart, Punk thrives. Its a frame of mind, a soul song. A Feeling, a want, a need, an expression. Punk back then was full of all of the above. It was overflowing with emotion and anger. Overflowing with heart. But now... now its a genre. Its a category. Its a style of dress.
The ramones, the sex pistols, the dead kennedys, black flag. A lot of it was poetry through screams and tortured words.. With music that made your heart bleed.
Blink 182 and the like is just... Another catchy band with another tune to sell.
Sadly. Punk is dead. But few of us carry it in our hearts as if it wasn't.
And thats my two cents!  | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/22/2006 12:01:41 PM | Blink 182 was never punk, and was never considered punk, and never will be punk.
And The Ramones and The Sex Pistols didn't start the punk scene; punk existed before 1974 eh.
And I'm going to say this again, ever heard of The Casualties....? Punk lives on. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/22/2006 12:09:31 PM | No corporate band can be punk,its totally opposed to the whole meaning of the word.First punk band I ever hear qouted is the new york dolls,but the you can argue that a lot of the american sixties garage bands were punk.
I guess what you need to be punk are;
Raw,three minute,three chord songs.
Atttitude,lots of it.
An independant or cult record label
Street smarts
A localised fan base that spreads the word of the band for them. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/22/2006 2:54:05 PM | the ramones and the pistols didnt start it, but they are the definitions of the scene. Your average person thinks of old punk and those bands come to mind. And yeah it is argued that the new york dolls started it all, and arent they still around?
Yes punk is still around. its just... Different. Nothing lives forever, things change, styles change. The old style is dead, but the new mechanism lives on, sure. But old punk. old punk is gone.
And yes to the average person, to young adults and even some adults, you ask them to name a modern punk band and blink 182, sum 41 or the like will be mentioned. right they arent punk, but thats what the majority of people consider punk to be now
SO . it stands to reason that since the definition of punk has changed? YES punk is dead. sum 41 and the like are whats considered punk now. So wouldnt you rather punk be considered dead than let it be categorized with that shit? | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/22/2006 3:33:46 PM | I think at least Two of the Dolls have died and again punk is kinda cursed because as soon as the band gets wealthy , loses touch with street level ,then it ain't punk.
I've no idea of Blink or sums origins , but they don't sound like punk and I doubt very much if they live like punks. | |
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| Real punk revived??
Posted: 9/25/2006 4:57:37 PM | no, that's not true. the pistols weren't an imitation.
that mclaren guy: isn't he despised because he tried to make so much money off of them? the indie vibe is where it's at -- but there were the same greedy a&r limp****
there to make a profit and not give a shit about money.
i have heard people say nirvana were not punk. such envious distention. they were more punk than the pistols and easier on the ears...
it's about motivation. people who get sucked into greed will make derivative musick that doesn't really impress the way that the early stuff, mc5, stooges, rolling stones --
the dixie chicks are "punk" if you know what i mean. not their music but what they did and said. | |
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