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Posted: 6/7/2006 2:44:42 PM | actually, BJJ is a child of Judo. The Gracies were taught the art of Judo, and then they just developed the ground game from there, tested it in Vale Tudo matches against other discipines, and made it there own. They used the name of Jiu-Jitsu to differentiate it from the sport of Judo, and to emphasize the combat roots of art.
The main difference in the ground game of BJJ and Judo (or all other grappling arts for that matter), is the concept of postition before submission, and the transitions from position to position. Most grappling arts seek either a submission or pin as soon as they hit the ground. BJJ teaches you to establish superior position first before attempting a submission. In Judo, you can win via pin, therefore being in the closed guard (on your back, legs locked around opponent) means you lose. Therefore, Judokas only use the open guard, using the feet to manipulate the opponent and to prevent from geting pinned on his back.
In BJJ, you cannot win by pin. And since it was developed in Vale Tudo matches, punches were aloud, so being in the closed guard holding your opponent tight, is a favourable position to work from and not get your face bashed in.
All the submissions in BJJ can be found in Judo... it is the method of getting there that is different. The transitioning from one position to another, going from an inferior position to a superior position, to an even more superior position, and then submission (eg. from closed guard to open guard to butterfly guard to sweep to side mount to mount to armbar).
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Posted: 6/8/2006 8:00:31 AM | I have always thought that in MMA the arts that enable the fighter to transition from standing to the ground or the other way are the most important.
A striker needs to learn a good takedown defence to force ground fighters to play his game. A grappler needs to be able to get his opponent to the ground.
How well a fighter moves from standing the the ground or from ground to standing can allow them to dictate where the fight takes place (within reason.)
Being well rounded is obviously the best way to be, but I still think these arts are the most important for the sport. | |
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Posted: 6/9/2006 12:57:10 PM | actually you know what is cool...sorry I got soem good news in my world of bad...the guy we flew in from brazil is yopung, a student of mario sperry (way more technical than the gracies)
well he moved back home for a girl...talked to him yesterday, he hates his life and wants to move back, so I will be living with a 13 time BJJ world champ....and one of the most humble coolest guys I know.
I am kinda excited, the shit I could learn from him again, only this time he will be living with me, if ya wanna know his credentials, email me, I wont talk about training in public, he has a had a few pro fights, but not alot, if he did, next world champ. To be honest I would love to see GSP roll with him, I think I know who would win | |
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Posted: 6/10/2006 6:15:13 PM | SHIT!!
My comp just deleted my responding note.. and it was actually good shit!
now... I gotta go train!
If i can remember all I just wrote... ill add it.
For now.. I will say one thing that I did touch on a few times in my initial now-lost posting...
a comment to Mr. Marcus...
at times I incite people, especially those that talk shit.
you my man...
are NOT one of those people!!
your postings..athough few and far between,
is a shining example of why I love this forum!
Your knowledge is admirable... but also leaves me some room to argue and disagree, but only in subtle, non-offensive ways...
Stuff Ill touch on when I have more time...
I gotta start copyin my posts as I make them... gawd theyre sometimes awfully long...
GT99.. respects to you, and i envy you dude, and one reason is your house guest!! my london trip is a no-go cuz my boss is a loser AND a theif, but Im totally game to comin your way anyways... to learn share and grow, and NOT flex egoes!
Ah hell with it.. tonights trainin is just cuttin some trees down anyways and a hard ride...I can do both in the dark if I gotta!
Ok.. first thing... excuse my typin as im kinda a shity typist, and Im totally excited about this forum!
Mr.-the Man- Marcus...I still say BJJ is more related to, and a child of Japanese JJ than it is to judo, although both have been modified to be ..a SPORT. One example.. is the methods used for taking your opponent down. remember...alot of judo throws... rely on your opponent wearing a GI, or soe type ofm clothing. I have rarely seen any classic or traditional Judo throws in any MMA forum...mostly we see it in thr Pride fights, where alot of combatants have strong judo background..mostly cuz so many of them... are Japanese, or so Im speculating.
jujitsu tends to incorporate, utilize, and execute more heel hooks, trips, and single-leg takedowns.. moves that are also judo moves for sure, but are more applied in Jujitsu than in Judo.
Remember, as was pointed out by our resident historian Mr. M, Judo matches are won by a three-second pinning of both shoulders after taking you opponent to the ground, and by amassing POINTS for using various judo moves, especially the more classic ones that are generally thought of as judo manouvers. too often, in Judo class, I get frustrated...because I see a huge opportunity to strike.. and cannot. Similarly, i8n my TKD days, I was constantly being disqualified... for INSTINCTIVELY using what i later learned was judo throws...because in the flow of competing against someone who really wanted to kick my head off... I reacted naturally, in order to win,and to me..winning is always about doing whatever it takes to take the guy out. And thats why i moved on after by 1st Dan is both karate and TKD... i saw what the Gracies saw...that many of the classic martial arts have weaknesses in todays fights, which mostly end up on the ground, especially if its one-on-one. And ESPECIALLY...if its in a controlled environment, where pinning your iopponent mean squat, and you win in similar fashion to a STREET fight, by submission or KO. WatchinMMA is liek watchin some other sports, like hockey or football. The ignorant will always enjoy a high scoring, full of offence game, and sleep or turn channels to a long gruelling defensive, low scoring game. I love watchin MMA events for the knockouts, for sure, but i really get off...watching the ches match, and watching one fighter out-think and out manuover another, where you gotta think a few moves ahead, and strengh and size are not the most important factor.
However...when I get in there...there will be no time for that.. I* plan on executing my opponent with blinding fury where the chess match is accelerated beyond the speed of thought.. but enuff about that. for now!
remember this as well, fellow MMA fans..that the sport has evolved, as has te very definition of MMA/. Initially it wa a forum to showcase various TMAs to prove which was the best in terms of one-on-one fighting..in a controlled environ. We used to see excellent Kickboxers like Orlando Weit, fight way bigger dudes who were into wrestling. Poor Weit...never trained in defending the ground-and-pound, or, as someone rightfully mentioned... the arm bar, the Americana, the triangle choke, or the plethora of ground subs were completely alien and unknown to most fighters, who fought in primarily the more "exciting" full contact Martial Arts like TKD, Muay thai or kickboxing that didnt allow any grabbing, much less arm bars or fighting on the ground. in Highschool I was always gettin in shit...for using illegal holds and chokes. And I found it too fraught with stupid assed rules. These illegal freestyle rules...won me a few fights on the street, especially when I faced guys who could use their feet, or had strong wrestling backgrounds.
thats what I actuaklly DONt like about todays MMA... the combatants hae time to STUDY and prepare for an opponent (like Gooderage once said in a bio about him I watched a few months ago) whereas...a street fight, for example, your maibn concern isnt what youre oponent is gonna do or how hes gonna do it...your main concern is winning by any means, and doing it quickly as possible. No refs, no rules.
And i know theres plenty who have dised me HERE for talikin about street fighting, mostly cuz i... love it the most, and say that theres plenty of fighters youll NEVER see ina MMA event...cuz theyre too trained, and too crazy to compete in a restricted forum. one that has rules.
Do you have any idea... how quickly I can eliminate an opponent in a STREET FIGHT, that Id otherwise LOSE to in a MMA event..simply cuz SPIKING your opponent..is ILLEGAL IN MMA???
My real personal challenge (as I told the guys from the TKO organization at the MMA forum in Toronto a few weeks ago) is how to redefine MMA...within the confines for the rules! I see alot of areas for improvement and evolution. remember when it was said to NEVE turn your back on a Gracie? or ti EVER do it ..if youre mounted??? Yeah...good advice... if youre close-minded, and wanna lose! Remember what happened to I think it was Enzo Gracie in Pride, where he got his arm snpped for a japanese fighter who was trained and comfortable with using armbars while being mounted from behind?
Ive been meaning to point out (but as usual I get carried away... gawd i love MMA!)
hat the term MMA ..has taken on a new meaning. initially meant as a SPORT to showcase various martial arts... to answer once and for all with Martial Art is th best...esecially for 1-on-1 scraps where pinning you pponent mens diddly-squat (and AGAIN why I say BJJ resembles Japanese JJ over Judo- also note the types of KICKS used in BJJ...classic judo, or better yet, TODAYS sport Judo...strictly forbids ANY strikes...hell, so do most Jujitsu tournaments, like the one Im goin in next week...no striking was in bold type,as was no deliberate slammin of your opponent... guess Ill have to get my jollies from strictly subs, and not by goofy points either...seein that I dont like judges of ANY kind lol). See? I digress again!
TODAY..as a result of the gracies domination of the early UFC.s (and those that had strong backgrounds in ground diciplines, like Dan Severs for example), it became clear that many valid traditional martial arts..had weaknesses, especially when it came to grappling (i.e. ground fighting, as opposed to stayin on your feet as is taught by most Martial Arts, especially the older ones that came from the battle fields of old... where hand-to-hand fighting, especially in feudal japan, was a last resort,and almost an insult to be in, cuz it meant you lot your weapon- same applies for muay thai, for that matter). Todays battlefield is the street, or, as the case may be..inside an octagon ring, where different rules, an subsequebtly different techniques and ideoligies must now be applied. And remember, old traditional martial arts varied in their tchniques, philosophies and methods preferred to best an opponent... due to cultural differences, but MOSTLY due to.. are you ready for this??? Due to GEOGRAPHY!!! The battlefield of old, inKorea lets say, greatly differed from the physical layout and land structure of...japan! koreas landscape, for example... allows for the use of kicks alot more on the open battlefield as opposed to the rocky uneven ground found in the more mountainous fields and forests of japan. So now... MMA and. more specifically, MMA practitioners... must be well versed in no only stand-up and striking tactics (which we are traditionally more trained for in TMA's), but ground fighting and grappling. Now...you need to worry about fighting on your back, and having the time to use strategy technique and , as again pointed out my Mr.M, positioning technique that will ultimately lead to a sfe and efective method of besting your opponent- by submision and tapouts. And we see guys like Hughes...many who are Mixed martial Artists...who have trained like I have, i9n varuious martial arts, to apply them freely . without thought, and not be restricted to knowing...or needing, to fight in any one particular Way. to be liek Bruce said.. to flow like water,and go with whatevers happening. I think todays MMA fighters are the closest thing we have to exemplify todays GENTLEMAN warrior, for he must be cversitikle and trained to fight in many differnt ways, depending on whats happening as it happens...without fear of fatality, whee you can fight fast and viscously, but be required, at times, to be a thinker and not just a breserker. I personally gravitate to this way of thinking and fightin..for todays MMA illuminates what Ive ALWAYS been tryin to say, and persue in my personal credo...to be a real WARRIOR..you must be ready for anything, and be trained mentally and physically to do whatever it takes to win, for awhile..i giot sloppy on my physical training regimen... because in MY fights, stamina wasnt an issue, seeing that most of my fights lasted no more than MAYBE 30 seconds. Who needs cardio for that???
So we gotta thank the Gracies still.. for showin that, in todays world, especially in full contact SPORT fighting...A mix of martial arts training, technique and philosophies, where being versitile and being able to fight AND WIN will be accomplished... with regularity (like matt hughes has been doing) by never fighting the same way twice, and being ready to fight whatever kinda fight you gotta fight to win, whether it be on the ground or on ones feet. Personally. I sometimes train...doin the OPPOSITE to what we are NOW accustomed to, for I sometimes practice stand-up subs and (as is more commonly seen and known) strikes from positions usually associated with subs. You damn well know, next wek..ill be pushin the rules envelope...using akido joint locks and pressure points, especially to any opponent..whom wants to make the mistake of grabbin my gi.
Oh yeah...Mr. Marcus... remember this, my knowledgable forum peer- BJJ may look and actually incorporate more JUDO-like moves than it does classic textbook Japanese JUJITSU... But Jujitsu is the root.. the father, of judo!! So if you are a proponent of the argument that BJJ moe resembles judo...its like youre sayin a kid resembles his dad, but not his grand dad, where the kids father got HIS looks from in the first place!!
in reality...BJJ is just doing what all martial arts need to do, as they have done time and time again (as I explained in my last posting)...it has evolved and changed to meet the needs of today. Jujitsu became judo, and from these we now have what the Gracies have refined (and... like any good fighting system will do, it has stolen the best elements of an ancient art and applied it to todays needs) as a grappling art... one that has itself become victim to being obsolete in the ever growing and evolving SPORT we call MMA!!!
And why we see so many "fighting systems", that seem more applicable and attractive than 'antiquated' classic martial arts in todays fighting forum...which to ME is still the STREET, were the main similrities..is being versitile and quick to execute your opponent, and not being restricted to just one "way" or method of fighting...where not only the outcome is unknown, but the method that will be used to win is a mystery to9 all, including the combatants, who must now, FINALLY, be a complete and well-rounded fighter. And this is why so many people love watchin MMA events...its the closest thing to what we all secretly yearn to watch... the gladiator, where one man bests another in a brutal fight (in a SPORT that is really bthe ultimate physical test any athlete could compete in... I could never get the same rush when I was a High jumper training for the olympics), carried out by two guys that are skilled and trained fighters, and also have the heart and guts to hurt and be hurt. And..why??? Because...
you can run faster than me? big deal. You can jump higher, score more points, shoot better, run longer, jump farther, lift more weight... so what? hell..if it wasnt for todays laws...you could have more money, a nicer car or house, hell a hotter woman than me. So what to ANY OF THAT, and what can you say to outdo the one simple fact... that I can kick your ass? Thats the ultimate contest between two men, who can take who...who cares what is status is in life, or how much $$ he has, or ...how buff he is, or what Martial arts hes studied???
And this is the ONE MAIN reason...
why Id rather fight for pride than money any day.
Now you get me GT99...my brother?
As for the last Pride...
awesome!
Except..i didntb like how they listed kang as from Soutrh korea and not vancouver bc...
hes a CANADIAN BOY..and he repped himself damn well too...hes still undefeated in Pride FC...
I cant wait to see the final 8 in BOTH the Pride bushido tourneys comin...
who do you think will win it all???
I GOTTA say..that im glad that joke called Crazy Horse got beaten again... this time by a kneelock sub...
looks good on his crazy ass! lol
Oi gotta go..everyones pissed tat im glued to this comp...
thanks to ALL who have been participating... lets keep this thread goin strong... so make suren you rate it a TEN!!!
And bets of luck to chinua...who goes for her Black Belt testing any time now...
GOOD LUCK!! 
BTW.. I am totally aware of all my typos..but dont have time to correct them, so sorry if its tricky to understand what im sayin now and then!!!
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Posted: 6/14/2006 8:10:27 PM | saiyan, thanks for the comments (and the essay, LOL)! but everything I said is just common knowledge among BJJers. though fact remains that the Gracies were taught Judo, not traditional ju jutsu.
has anyone seen the Strikeforce shows yet? the most recent one had Overeem vs Vitor Belfort as the main event! Overeem won a decision. and whats everyone's views on Cung Le? I've always thought that San Shou and BJJ are the best combos for MMA. San Shou is kickboxing with throws and takedowns, so for grapplers who want to learn striking and takedowns in one shot, this is perfect. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2006 11:01:16 AM | has anyone seen the Strikeforce shows yet? the most recent one had Overeem vs Vitor Belfort as the main event! Overeem won a decision. and whats everyone's views on Cung Le? I've always thought that San Shou and BJJ are the best combos for MMA. San Shou is kickboxing with throws and takedowns, so for grapplers who want to learn striking and takedowns in one shot, this is perfect.
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I have always liked the san shou style as you said a very good combo. I havent seen cung le fight MMA I am intersted to see how he can finish on the ground if need be. | |
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Posted: 6/15/2006 3:00:12 PM | | any one give me an update on what the gracie boys are doing lately? | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 2:19:49 AM | | you read right. UFC 60,to Mat Hues but he had a lot of cage rust on him. I think most people knew he was going to lose. It's like when some old sports star comes out of retirement and playing again. But I think the reason why he fought again was because UFC offerd him a nice sum of mone or else he would have stayed retired. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 6:16:59 AM | | Ryan Gracie is the most exciting, but he was shot in brazil not too long ago in the pelvis, no idea if he will be back in pride, but watch him on you tube, there are highlights, he is an aggressive gracie, very good hands compared to the rest too | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 6:58:12 AM | A lil disheartening to know that the name gracie is still out there but most ppl dont have any idea what has happened since UFC 3 or 4.
It seems the MMA is still somewhat underground in the US and I wish they can make it more of an event like the Japanese do with the Pride events.
In a nutshell the gracies as a whole made 3 great contributions...introducing MMA to the US and teaching ppl the value of fighting off their backs as well as teaching ppl the value of "passing the guard".
But in recent years the gracies have taken personal hits in their records by fighters of several backgrounds..in other words its not just brazilians beating the gracies..its Americans and Japanese fighters..
In fact google video a fighter named Sakuraba and look for the clip titled "beautiful day"..it shows him beating up on at least 3 gracies and breaking 2 of their arms in MMA events b/c they refuse to tap out.
But even that is not all TOO recent. The most recent was of course Matt Hughes dominating royce and winning in less than 5 minutes.
Now the gracies have a few family members that are making some noise in sub grappling and MMA..Ryan and Roger...they also have a HOT black belt gracie girl in the family named Kyra! 
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Posted: 6/16/2006 7:27:27 AM | kyra gracie...dream girl...I got pics lol
Ryan gracie is pretty sweet to watch, the best as far as "I" am concerned, he actauly tries to use wrestling and striking, but the best...no, just fun to watch, the other gracies? well some new ones are coming up, but the old ones, renzo, royler, rickson and royce need to retire
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Posted: 6/16/2006 8:44:28 AM | There are talks of Rickson vs. Sakuraba now that he is in K-1.
K-1 is the largest promotion in the world and they can come up with the dough to make it worth his while.
Then again, rumors of this crap have been floating around for ages now.  | |
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Posted: 6/16/2006 8:45:23 PM | Personally...
Ive heard from and seen enough Gracies!!
Id rather see Cro cop and Fedor again...or Arlovski and Cro cop. Or, better yet...me and Cro cop!! lmao!!
As for Hughes/Gracie... Hugehjes made a coment Im still contemplating... I dunno if he was just being generous or what, but he pointed out that the UFC had changed sh=ince Royces day...especially now that fights are more tightly regulated... TIME-WISE. matt said Royce probably wasnt used top fighting with a short bout time, and lacked the urgency to finish a fight in the present UFC, where Royce (in the true essence of BJJ) is more used to taking time to play a positioning chess-match.
How valid that is...I dunno...
And Sakuraba is the renowned Gracie-killer who showed what I was ALWAYS saying... you CAN turn your back to a Gracie and not only live to tell, but WIN as well!!
UFC 61's acoming... whats the picks for arlovski/silva 3 and shamrock/ortiz 2?
Im still awaiting predictions...
Im off to crash... tomorrow is the Bravado jiu-jitsu BJJ Open...
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Posted: 6/17/2006 12:11:19 PM | ryan gracie is the best...a real fighter and he cross trains, I know rickson is supposed to be the best but ryan is a real aggressive fighter, same as ralph gracie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttJjxxZZyug
thats him
as far as who I pick?
andre arlovski should win, his chin is not as good but skill wise he is better | |
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Posted: 6/19/2006 11:46:18 AM | | i am a huge MMA fan as well, i follow pride moreso then UFC because they have much better fighters and i prefer the rules. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2006 2:49:04 PM | "ryan gracie is the best..."
Ok don't get excited I have little respect for the Gracie's they are a bunch of thugs.
that show no respect to most other fighters they have developed their own fighting system
that is about all they have done and then march around intimidating kids in the street
the best???? he is far from it .Wanderlei "The Ax Murderer" Silva is far more exciting to watch than Ryan any day. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2006 3:08:40 PM | sorry man...the best gracie to watch as far as excitement is what I mean. He is not fighting now though he got shot in brazil.
yeah of course, if ryan fought silva he would be beat to death, by far silva is enteratining. Love to see him and liddel...that was what I wanted in the GP awhile back but rampage beat chucks ass before that happened.
Pride is my favortie for some weights, but not all, the welters in the UFC are great, same as the lightweights (yeah I am bias)
watch mark take on jorge gurgel and sammy take on kenny florian next saturday. Go team tompkins.
apparentlyu marks fight wont be telivised for some reason, no idea why | |
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Posted: 6/19/2006 3:12:31 PM | | if chuck were to ever fight wanderlei silva, that would be over very quick, chuck cannot beat any of the top 5 middleweights IMO. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2006 3:24:03 PM | GT99 you nailed it I agree....
Tilt say what You want about Chuck but the man has a chin. He can take one hell of a punch If He ever fought Silva that would be his only saving grace I think the fight would end by tap out any ways.
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Posted: 6/19/2006 3:31:10 PM | honestly k bar, i know chuck has a chin, but it sucks for him cause he is fighting in a horribly ran organization with a horrible president, dana white, and that is why i cant stand UFC.
do you remember dana white hyping chuck up so much, he even bet somewhere around 500k that he would win the tournament, but when he fought jackson, jackson completely took him apart and white recanted his bet.
not only that, pride has offered to let igor vovchanchyn, cro cop and many other fighters fight in ufc, to try and advance the sport of MMA, but white refused to let those fighters fight, but at the same time, pride will let randy cotoure go over and be a guest announcer and pass out flowers to other fighters, it is for tradition, but ufc will never ever mention a pride fighter and if someone does it seems as if they might like get fired and i cant stand that.
the sport of MMA is a very young sport as far as being around nationally, only within the past 20 or so years have people known about it and pride is trying to advance it so much but all white cares about is the advancement of UFC even though if the light heavyweight and heavyweight divisions are completely and utterly atrocious.
if chuck were to fight silva, the only way it would end would definately be by KO honestly, chuck has heavy hands and silva has disgusting knees, but white would never let it happen, he is too much of a chode to let something liek that happen and have his fighter lose. | |
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Posted: 6/19/2006 3:38:22 PM | Tilt, White knows that fighters like Cro Cop and Igor would dominate if they came over to fight in UFC It would put the UFC franchise in shambles.
these kind of fighters are happy where they are until enough money is signed on the line which governs everything these days ..nothing will happen.
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Posted: 6/20/2006 10:21:10 AM | I'm going have to disagree with you on both counts. I don't think it's safe to say that Pride Fighters are better than UFC fighters or vice versa.
1) Weight class by Weight class. I would suggest that UFC has no really solid heavyweight competitors. Pride is far better in this class. I would imagine that most of the top 5 fighters from Pride could dominate this division. At LHW (Pride MW) Chuck is probably as good as Wanderlie (Look at his accomplisments, not who you "think" would win.) I put him at #1 in the world. I don't think they have as much depth as pride does at 205 however. At MW (Pride WW) I would suggest that Hendo and Franklin are in a dead heat. We cant really compare WW to Pride LW as they're different divisions. I will however say that UFC WW is my favorite division in all of MMA.
2) Rules. They have different rules. Rounds are not the same length. Stomps and soccer kicks and knees and the ground are not allowed in the UFC. the UFC on the other had has elbow strikes added into the list of weapons that one can use against their opponents.
3) One is fought in a cage, the other in an octagon. The octagon allows strikers to circle better, but stops them from cornering their opponent as easily. This changes the overall strategy a little bit.
4) The Cage vs. the Ropes. The cage is very useful for wrestlers. They can pin an opponent up against it and use it as a solid barrier to stop someone from moving. The downed opponent can also use the cage to get up. The Ropes allow fighters to roll out the bottom (at the cost of a point usually) and sometimes fights are stopped and moved to the center of the ring.
The last GP that chuck fought in was in '03. That's 3 years ago now. To suggest that because he lost to Rampage 3 years ago he is inferior to Silva is rediculous (I don't think anyone is making this arguement, but it usually comes up, so I'll say something now. )
I'd like to see the organizations turn into promotions. Fighters all under one sanctioning body and different promotions running events. Establish an international ranking system and let promoters build evets with talent from all over the world. | |
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Posted: 6/20/2006 2:52:21 PM | HUGE couple of weeks in MMA coming up, with the Ultimate Fighter finals, Ulitimate Fight Night, UFC 61, and the Pride Absolute 2nd round all coming up. Very much looking forward to all of these cards.
My picks for the main two scraps in UFC 61: Ortiz by TKO ref stoppage from G&P in Round 1, and Arlovski by KO in Round 1. Arlovski has a glass jaw, so Tim could win again, even though overall AA is more skilled. No matter who wins I would be shocked to see this fight go to a 2nd round unless both guys come out real cautious.
As far as the Pride vs UFC thing, I like Pride a little better myself, but like both really. I think it's BS that Dana White would not let Chuck fight Wanderlei. That was the match-up the UFC wanted from the beggining in that tournament from 03. Pride is the organization that was worried there IMO, why else would the match-up Chuck with Overeem in the first round, and then Jackson in round 2, instead of having him fight Wanderlei? At the time Yoshida was not thought very highly of, and most people thought Wanderlei would walk through him into the finals while Chuck would be hard pressed to beat Rampage. Pride wanted Chuck to have a tough road so if he ever did fight Wanderlei in the finals he would be more worn out.
Also just because Chuck lost to Rampage then, doesn't mean he would again or that he would not beat Wanderlei. It was a close fight really, and if Chuck had not gassed anything could have happened. I'm also guessing Chuck did not arive in Japan early enough to get over the jet lag, cause he looked sluggish in that fight. He also did not follow the game plan. He basically just boxed with Rampage, while the plan was for him to throw lots of leg kicks and mix in some high kicks as well, he hardly threw any of either. IMO Chuck would beat Rampage in a rematch, but it could go either way just like last time. A Chuck/Wanderlei match-up could go either way as well. Either guy could KO the other, or it could go the distance IMO. I think Wanderlei would probably win a decision if they were to fight, cause he has better cardio and uses knees and kicks much more then Chuck. That being said, Chuck has a much better chin, so who knows really.
Tilt saying Chuck is not even a top 5 guy in his weight class is totally ignorant and definitely not the case. IMO he's #2. I'd be curious to know who you rank ahead of him Tilt...
I also don't think Igor and Cro Cop would dominate in UFC. Cro Cop maybe, but Igor no way. Who has he beat lately? He has heavy hands and plently of experience, but is very predictable and one dimensional. I think AA and Sylvia would beat Igor at this point, and if you want to move Igor down to light heavy I still think he would get beat by Chuck, Tito, and maybe Babalu as well. | |
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