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Posted: 8/10/2007 12:30:04 PM | | sherk's level of banned substance wasn't even that bad....it wasn't even over twice the legal limit.....royce gracie used the exact same stuff and had about 10 times the legal limit.....hermes franca also got busted with sherk but he used roids for a severe injury that wouldn't have let him fight if he didn't take it...i think he said that he needed the money from the sherk fight to pay bills and fees that got way over his head and if he didn't fight he'd literally have no money...not saying its right but it's a tough choice to make in franca's situation....not a tough choice for everyone else...just don't do it | |
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Posted: 9/12/2007 1:11:47 AM | | Yea, I am in similar situation. When I get the time I like to watch the UFC great sport in my opinion so many talented fighters. | |
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Posted: 9/18/2007 8:15:49 AM | Can anyone recommend a good forum to yak about UFC? I'm a new fan and I'd love to find people to talk to about UFC and MMA in general...
THANKS!! | |
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Posted: 9/18/2007 11:17:06 AM | | The two best I've found are deathvalleydriver.com, in the subfolder "Them's fightin' words", and MMA.TV's "Underground Forum", which is frequented by a fair number of fighters. | |
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Posted: 9/18/2007 4:15:37 PM | | I think SherDog also has the largest MMA forum in the world, or close to it. I know Sherdog is the largest MMA site in the world, to a point where ESPN gets all of their streams and MMA information from them. May want to check them out. | |
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Posted: 9/19/2007 10:09:06 AM | | I've run across the site before to research fighters.. I didn't realize they were such an authority on mma info so I'll have to go back and bookmark it. Thanks! | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 1:21:22 PM | Subfighter.com
Enough athletes to make it credible(the site is run by an elite grappler and has affiliated schools and fights teams), enough crazy fans to make it really funny.
Sherdog.com is the most well known site but Subfighter.com is considered the PRIDE FC to Sherdog's UFC... | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 10:13:56 PM | | With the way these Pride guys keep getting knocked off, that might not be a good comparison, lol. | |
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Posted: 9/22/2007 11:51:44 PM | With the way these Pride guys keep getting knocked off, that might not be a good comparison, lol. - skeptical73
Rampage is the current champ, he defeated the UFC's over hyped poster boy. Dan Henderson, even though he lost, proved he is a top 205lber, possibly the best at 185lbs. Anderson Silva is tearing up the 185lb division. The former Pride fighters are doing fine as a whole. And while it's just a hunch, I think some of the lackluster performances can be attributed to the steroid testing in the UFC. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2007 8:20:46 AM | Cro Cop nearly got killed in a "set-up" fight, then went ahead and lost his next one. And the other over hyped guy (Rua) got pounded but good last night. Other than that one elbow he landed that sliced up Forrest, he got beat pretty badly.
Admittedly, I never did see any Pride fights. After reading what people were saying on here, though, I was expecting a whole lot more out of these guys. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2007 8:53:10 AM | Personally, I think last night was the peak of MMA unless we get to see Fedor vs Randy.
Guys have gotten too good too fast that everything is even. Without a dominate star like Chuck the average fan(ie most fans)is going to lose interest fast. I dont see champions holding the belt long enough going forward to be able to build up another chuck type for the average fan. The UFC needs Fedor now more than ever. | |
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Posted: 9/23/2007 11:43:04 AM | Cro Cop nearly got killed in a "set-up" fight, then went ahead and lost his next one. And the other over hyped guy (Rua) got pounded but good last night. Other than that one elbow he landed that sliced up Forrest, he got beat pretty badly. -skeptical73
Look at the big picture man, there are more than 2 former Pride fighters in the UFC. Again, Rampage KO'd Liddell and Silva has completely dominated the 185lb division. Henderson looked amazing even in his loss to Rampage. Outside of the kick to the head, Nog was dominant in his performance as well.
And don't get me started on all the other UFC guys that have lost in the past to Pride fighters. Former UFC HW champ Pedro Rizzo was KO'd 2 times in Pride. Nog defeated former UFC HW champ Ricco Rodriguez ( Hint: Ricco owned Couture at HW). Barnett, who also defeated Couture in the UFC, lost to Cro Cop 2 times (I won't count the fight with the freak injury).
And finally, the Cro Cop fight wasn't a "set-up fight". Gonzaga is a freaking ADCC world champ for crying out loud. There were quite a few pro fighters out there that actually picked him to win. And if you payed attention to that fight, it wasn't the striking that won it for the GG, it was the elbows on the ground. GG saw that Cro Cop was dazed from the elbows to the temple (he said this himself in an interview); when the ref stood the fight up, he capitalized. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2007 9:10:43 AM | What happened to the other thread about UFC76??
Anyways, sesquipadalian just wanted to say I did read your response and thanks! Makes sense what quut?? was saying except for me that made the fight even more exciting since we got what we didn't expect. Hopefully true fans would prefer a good fight whether the expected winner takes it or not.
I tried finding that Rua fight you mentioned on the two sites you mentioned but couldn't. I recall you mentioning I can purchase it? Where can I find that and would this include a couple different Pride matches? It'd be interesting to see if nothing else. | |
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Posted: 9/24/2007 9:52:03 AM | | That Rua fight is on the afore mention MMA site... I just watched it this morning. Forrest is so hot and cold....exciting fighter though. Chuck I think is done...good run though. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2007 3:26:15 AM | Um, OK. I'm looking at the big picture right now. Nope, Cro Cop still got his head kicked off and then lost his next fight. Rua was still exhausted after a round and a half and got choked out with 5 seconds left in the fight. Heath Herring still lost his UFC debut in a supposed "set up" fight.
I'm not really trying to imply that these guys aren't skilled. More to the point, I think that things are so even nowadays that these fights could go either way. I was just trying to take a shot at a few certain individuals on here who ran their mouths in the past (not mentioning any names, I'm sure they know who they are) about how I (and just about everyone else) knew nothing about the sport. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2007 7:35:50 AM | | I am by no means a huge Liddell fan. That's not to say I don't enjoy watching him fight or more importantly respect him as a fighter. I just never really got on the "Liddell Bandwagon." I just don't know if I'd go so far as to say Liddell is done yet. Yes two losses in a row does not look good. However, he is still, without a doubt, one of the most feared strikers in all of MMA and especially in the UFC. Will he get the belt back? I don't know to be quite honest. He has a tough road ahead of him but that's not to say I don't think he is capable of doing it. I will enjoy watching him try!!!! | |
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Posted: 9/26/2007 2:05:01 PM | Um, OK. I'm looking at the big picture right now. -skpetical73
No, you aren't, you're just demonstrating the fallacy of confirmation bias for the third time. You cherry pick the few fights that Pride fighters lost, ignore the numerous fights they won. No one said that Pride fighters would win 100% of their fights, they are up by like 10 fights though. A lot of UFC fighters, many of them former UFC champs, lost on more than one occasion in Pride.
Former Pride fighters even hold two of the UFC championship belts right now. I rest my case.
Nope, Cro Cop still got his head kicked off and then lost his next fight. Rua was still exhausted after a round and a half and got choked out with 5 seconds left in the fight. Heath Herring still lost his UFC debut in a supposed "set up" fight.
Thank you captain obvious, everyone is well aware that Cro Cop and Rua lost. Upsets happen often in MMA, that's why there are very few top fighters with an undefeated record. It doesn't change the fact you are ignoring the big picture. You're probably one of those people that thinks a sports star like Tiger Woods is 'over rated' if he doesn't win every golf tournament he plays in.
As far as Herring goes, you are ruining all your credibility by bringing him up. He was booted from Pride long ago, he wasn't good enough to be on their more recent HW roster. It would be like me saying that the UFC's fighters are over rated because Chris Leben lost to Anderson Silva. Leben, while far from the worst at that weight class, isn't one of the UFC's top ranked fighters! | |
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Posted: 9/26/2007 2:21:00 PM |
I am by no means a huge Liddell fan. That's not to say I don't enjoy watching him fight or more importantly respect him as a fighter. I just never really got on the "Liddell Bandwagon." I just don't know if I'd go so far as to say Liddell is done yet. Yes two losses in a row does not look good. However, he is still, without a doubt, one of the most feared strikers in all of MMA and especially in the UFC. Will he get the belt back? I don't know to be quite honest. He has a tough road ahead of him but that's not to say I don't think he is capable of doing it. I will enjoy watching him try!!!! -skyjumper1776
I think if he remains stubborn, refusing to change his game plan up, he's going continue to lose to competent strikers. Jardine proved you don't even have to be a 'cream of the crop' striker to defeat Liddell in a pure stand up war.
I'll go so far as to say that Liddell could have possibly defeated Jardine that night by simply modifying his game plan a little when he realized the big KO wasn't coming so easily. Jardine was able to do what he did because he knew ahead of time Liddell would not try to shoot on him for a take down. Liddell didn't even need a successful take down, he just needed to do enough to let Jardine know the possibility was there! That would have forced Jardine to change his striking stance and tactics etc.
That being said, you put a guy like Tito (or someone with a similar style) in there, Liddell is still going to win 9 times out of 10 imo. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2007 4:18:32 PM | Sesquipadalian:
Did you miss the whole point of my post? Yeah, I think you did. Again. Thanks for the response, though. I'll try to look at the "big picture" while I watch some more of these guys get bumped off, lol! | |
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Posted: 9/30/2007 1:02:08 AM | I used to watch the early UFCs on and off whenever I'd get a chance, but not very often at all. If I saw a video at Blockbuster or something, I would rent it, but that's about the extent of it.
I only started getting into mma again after starting to see it on TV about a year and a half ago. I was flipping through the channels, landed on Spike, and saw Ken Shamrock's face. At first I thought, "Oh God, he's wrestling again." Then I noticed the cage. And then I thought, "Oh God, he's FIGHTING again...at this age?!"
I saw Rich Franklin knock his head off.
So with MMA so accessible, I naturally started to watch more. Now, it's the only sport I follow. I read pretty much all the major MMA blogs, know most of the fighters (even the relatively unknown guys like Frankie Edgar have earned my approval), and watch almost all of the events aside from when I'm broke. I can't get enough of it. And I never really considered myself a sports person. Now whenever I hear people talking about hockey or football, I sort of just roll my eyes, waiting for them to talk about a REAL sport. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2007 10:45:14 AM | I can't believe that Liddell lost to Jardine.
I'd imagine that Jardine has improved since the Ultimate Fighter show, but from what I saw on there, just looking at the basics, I wasn't all that impressed with the guy.
Didn't Dana already have a fight set up under the presumption that Chuck *would* win?
Thats a tough loss. 'Specially coming off of Rampage's annihilation of him... "what happened???"
I agree that Chuck really needs to change things up... if he wants to remain competative and *not*spend the rest of his career beating up on nobodies and all the guys he's already beaten up on before.
He shoulda known that as he began training for Jackson. I mean, there is a certain wisdom to not trying to fix something that ain't broke, but if he doesn't realize at this point that somethings broke.... maybe he should start taking acting classes and doing fight movie choreography, full time | |
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Posted: 10/3/2007 2:05:37 PM | | Yeah, Chuck definitely needs to make some changes. The biggest one, imo, is that he needs to become more aggressive. He's almost totally a counter fighter. That makes him easier to plan for. The few times he came forward aggressively, Jardine forgot his game plan and looked like he was in danger. But then Liddell would back off and wait some more. It's Pedro Rizzo syndrome, to a degree. | |
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Posted: 10/3/2007 3:32:41 PM | | Kelly Pavlik would beat a lot of these mixed martial arts fighters, IMO. Kelly Pavlik's conditioning and punching power is second to none. | |
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