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Posted: 10/21/2005 7:56:01 AM | Oh..now to continue...
Dialing down for training is a completely different thing.... the mindset is completely different. Still, I cannot spar with just anyone because you have to train at ALMOST full tilt.... it feels like being an advanced skiier being confined to the bunny hills. I was in a Judo dojo a few weeks ago doing some ground fighting drills and was up against a black belt in my weight class(about 3 pounds heavier than me) ... you sit in a kneeling position, and, when both are ready, you do a 3 minute drill where you spin around and grapple until one is submitted or pinned. Buddy tapped out 13 times. For me..it was frustrating. So finding a good sparring parner can be crutial to keepin ones edge. Unfortunately I train mostly alone and occasionally touch base with various dojos to check myself. When I spar the switch is in the "off" position...I train in saiyan mode... not supersaiyan!! I guess no one here follows Dragonball Z... what an awesome martial arts cartoon.... theres this one character named Vegeta who has the philosophy If you have your opponent down you dont hit him. You blast him and vaporize him. This is of my school of thought. I self counselled myself in an ABH case where I knocked a cop out...told the judge I was a little offended at being in court when I had already violated the most fundamental rule of street fighting. I told him there really ARENT any rules but if you want ONE its this: when you have a man down you NEVER hit him. You boot the shit outta him. Like Vegeta says. Btw..I was aquitted! At any rate, my point is... my mindset. Remember I asked you to guess what I think about when Im scrappin? Its not about winning or losing to me. I realized that thinkin like that has too many flaws, including ties to the ego. One must lose the ego to become truly selfless. UFC guys all got egos, to a varying degree. If I was one, a UFC fighter. my pre-fight interview would be brief "yeah. I dunno what Im going to do and dont care. Ill probably lose. Who friggin cares? Beat my head in! LETS-GET-IT-ON!" lol Its all about KISS..all Im concerned with is this: eliminate my opponent. Dont care how. All I want is one certainty at the end, win or lose: this guy will never want to fight me again. they can say "yeah I beat him... had to shoot him to do it...**stard bit off my balls!" In a street fight, your lifes on the line. Theres no refs, no cops, no teachers, no school yard monitors, no umpires... just you and him/them. Training for this is like training for battle of old, not for television, money, trophies or fame. Its real shit. The best you can find to really test yourself cuz of the potential element of risk and danger. And the huge number of variables.
And I think maybe DMX does understand. I know Bruce Lee did. As did the saint himself, Mushashi.
I didnt really take offence to the strip mall dojo thing, especially since your.. simply looking to aquire more knowledge about things, and youre an intelligent person so your bound to ask risque questions and make many assumptions, which is... fun!!
frrost is right though... man I like you dude.. you can SEE... often times the world can get dark when you..know the smell of death. Ive spent a lifetime tryin to figger out why the hell I was born in this timeline.... you gotta watch Sin City and see Mikey Rourkes character... at one time hes described as "a lost worrior born in the wrong century"...
and losing my toys sucked... its happened four times now. Greatest losses were my katana and my manrikigusari. And my chucks that I made that my sensei was proud of when I was in grade 8.
And funny... my friends are always asking me to stay alive too...
they know Im an extremist.
and Paul...did you catch what I was referring to when I mentioned hypnotism??
frrosty... yeah.. my H.A. friends were polite when I declined... probably becaue I told them that I wanted a high powered sniper rifle and a waterproof glock if Im enlisted. I refused to say why. Plus.. I scare the crap outta them. They were apparently talkin about me one day and I literally dropped right into the middle of their convo outta the blue(I got this thing for roof tops... another thing I picked up along my travels).. they were at the tat shop where my artist works for them. I have a few that are good personal fiends, and I think my anarchist tendencies leave even them a little frazzled (I preached to a bunch last summer at their club house about "knowing thy real enemies" and I think that they saw me as... well better a friend than foe. And theyve never read "The Art of War". And Ive done alot of time and sparred INSIDE with some 2nd generation dudes, alot of which are now in Quebec. These guys play... well frrosty Im sure already knows...)
I do admire alot of UFC guys if they are dialing themselves down for competition ( I suffer from Tysonitis I guess!! lmao!) but Ive been in a lot of fights and contests, and the urge to win is just too great. Like bruce said "you hit me, I smash you; you smash me, Ill break your bones; you break my bones, Ill take your life". Or Iron Maiden :"You take my life but Ill take yours too. You fire musket and Ill run you through. So get ready for the next attack you better stand theres no turning back". I also think alot of UFC fighters are egotists and asswipes, like Tank Abbott... fool says he laughs at knee and elbow blows... Id fight him using ONLY knees and elbows. These guys ae still limited in their learnings though, and their attitudes often reveal this. Their performance on the mat dos as well. I wonder how theyd last fighting someone whose proficient in 52 blocks, an art passed down EXCLUSIVELY between blacks only...
at any rate I think we've pretty much cleared up alot about MMA, its value as a whole to the MA community, and its entertainmnt and educational value. UFC/Pride fights have opened the door to the mainstream, and hopefully it will elevate the SPORT further. Just realize though, that for some fighting isnt a SPORT, and have never trained to use it in measured amounts (thats kinda foolish...like when Ronald Regan spoke about a "limited" nuclear war... limited my ass! press one button only? yeah right...u press one youre pressing them all!") and train to end shit quickly (for personally safety), decisively ( like a bear when it attacks, it will keep attacking til theres no movement, assuring that the threat has been removed and completely eliminated.. like Wolverine would) and brutally (as a future deterrent, and also... because it fulfills a carnal need like blood does for nesfaratu)...
well guys anything else? Im thinkin about starting a forum... maybe "Which martial art is the best" or "why are there so many styles of martial arts"...something that will evoke different opinions and allow us to all grow through sharing thoughts, ideas, learnings and opinions...
what do you guys think??
and those that do train... heres a big mouthful to chew on:hypnotism!!!
how many times do I gotta say it????
take care one and all... and thanks paul, and especially frrosty (remember: The Book Of Five Rings- number one book read by Japanese businessmen, many of which knowingly and proudly carry samurai blood)...Im lookin forward to your next postings! | |
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Posted: 10/21/2005 3:43:07 PM | I also wonder how Tank would do fighting some 52 blocks guy.
Unfortunately no one from the mythical 52 blocks system has stepped up and offered to fight him. And David Abbot is a low level UFC fighter, not a top level Pride HW like Fedor or CroCop. | |
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Posted: 10/23/2005 11:41:08 AM | Id fight tank. and stick EXCLUSIVELY to 52 blocks to beat his ass. I just stepped up... anybody got tanks #? And I referred to him as an EXAMPLE of some of the closemindedness and ostentatious attitudes exhibited in the UFC.
And 52 blocks (a.k.a.) jailhouse rock is NOT mythical!! I have learned it, and its real,... really useful stuff as well... just because ...who... Mel Gibson was the only white man Ive ever heard to learn ANY of it? that doesnt mean its not there...
Remember, if somethings real.. it will have a root, a history... 52 blocks is as real as capoiela and angola.. same roots different branches.. capoiela was maintained in South American Brazilian culture through African slaves, as was its cousin and counterpart 52 blocks, which survived in America throutgh the same African slave source...just different because of its applications and necessities. Study both PHYSICALLY and you will FEEL the irrefutable similarities... and watch old Tyson footage, hes used some classic 52 block moves in his prime days!!
and..am I the only one who admired him for biting off piece of Hollyfields ear??? | |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 2:16:28 AM | Fedor could kill any man alive....Convince me otherwise.......Pride FC is the only MMA organization worth watching. From the entrances....to the fights....to the referees that yell "action" to fighters that are stalling.... It's a top notch organization. Attracting the best fighters in the world such as Fedor, Crocop, Nogueira, Silva, Shogun, Arona,....Nothing comes close. At least you can see some of the older fights on THE FIGHT NETWORK now if you do not want to risk getting a PPV...Try it out. It's an entertaining product.
UFC is an organization that had the North American audience in the palm of their hands and allowed everyone to walk away due to their boring "lay and pray" fights in the mid 90's. Losing PPV due to the whole "should we be allowing people to watch this BS" played a big part too...but the writing was already on the wall. UFC rules are ridiculous...they're allowed to use elbows which will cut an opponent but not seriously hurt them...and a fight can be stopped due to an elbow cut, but they wont' let fighters knee other fighters in the head while on the ground, or soccer kicks to the head when the opponent is prone....and the biggest one of all...they won't allow fighters to fight with a gi on in the United States...although that is the Athletic Commisions juristriction and their lack of knowledge about combat sports outside of boxing. UFC is a distant 2nd. Don't get me wrong, there are decent fighters in UFC, but the true testing ground for MMA is in Pride. | |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 6:51:35 AM | I agree.. the UFC rules have always existed and have been revised and modified to lean preference towards Braxzillian jujitsu and the rather boring groundfights fraught with too many contradicting rules. I still love watching it though...
pride fighting may be the next level up for MMA and getting closer to the REAL shit... but until its a Mad Max world, we aint gonna see the realest shit.. the underground stuff...
and maybe we shouldnt. We have not adressed the morality aspects to ANY of this stuff.
I wonder if we should... | |
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Posted: 10/24/2005 9:02:42 AM | | UFC runs a distant second to pride based on money more than anything else. True, The UFC has been really hurt by the Graciecentrism of their early events (among other tactics, fighters were offered the same $$ whether they won or lost, leaving them little incentive to stick it out if things got unfamiliar), and their rules are still a work in progress. At the end of the day however, when you're selling out the Saitama Super Arena you're going to be able to draw higher calibre talent than when you're running shows in casinos. | |
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Posted: 10/25/2005 2:59:26 PM | | gracie put ufc on the map.... but now I still find UFC and Pride almost equal.... prefer them both the same | |
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Posted: 10/25/2005 7:33:40 PM | Initially, the UFC was just a Gracie showcase. Gracie versus a lot of guys who had no idea how to deal with takedowns. I recall reading that the Gracie family were actually funding the events, at least partially. It was very skewed to put BJJ on the map.
Don't get me wrong, I like UFC. They put on some good shows. They don't have the talent pool Pride does, however. Look at the heavyweights. UFC has Arlovski, and a bunch of guys who can't even go a round with him. Compare that to Pride where you have Fedor, CroCop and Nog for a start. I like both promotions, but Pride definitely has better fighters. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2005 1:31:35 PM | completely agree... the UFC was initially about sumo wrestlers against an MMA fighter....they were entertaining but the competition is much stronger now.... i don't think anyone has come out of the gracie academy recently.... but i could be wrong  | |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 11:50:11 AM | | i gotta check something out guys. btw, i rekon Tito's TOP! just kinda gets battered now and again...lol. sweet, let me post :o) okies i gotta ask you fan's of the U.F.C someth'in. who do you rekon would win in a street fight > the boxer iron Mike or the U.F.C champ Arvloski | |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 1:10:04 PM | good match up! Depends if Mike relies on 52 blocks or not. I do not know what exactly is the depth of Tysons abilities as hes always been in a pugilistic forum. Arvloski is a definate MMA man and a COMPLETE martial artist, where boxing isnt even close! If Arvlovski can avoid getting hit by Tyson, hed kick his ass. However, this is a STREET FIGHT you said? hell Tyson bites in a sanctioned match, I wonder what hed stoop to in a street fight in order to win? But how would Tyson be on the ground? other than dirty fighting, I think hed be toasted. Against kicks as well... bt like I said, we dont fully know what he can do... but I have seen strong leaning towards 52 block techniques when hes faught in the ring, and if he knows more than we are aware of... he might not go down as easily as we think. Plus Tyson can take a hit. Arvlovski could hit Tyson 10 times and bust Tyson up; tyson could hit Avlovski once and smash him unconscious. I still think Tyson go down.
My vote goes to Arvlovski. What do you think sensi...you never said who YOUD pick! | |
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Posted: 11/4/2005 3:45:48 PM | If a wrestler can avoid a punch.....and a boxer cannot stop a takedown...the wrestler will win every time. Tyson is no different. He was fed a steady diet of washed up, underachieving fighters until he finally fought Evander Holyfield (whom he should have fought 5 years earlier) and Holyfield, a true boxer, handed him his ass. Do you guys still buy all the Tyson hype? He sold PPV's based on his personality and perceived indestructability, but Don King did a great job of building him up in the public's mind of being truly talented.
What do you think about Donk King's possible venture into MMA? I watched video clip of Tito Ortiz talking about Don King promoting MMA on Sherdog.com and I am surprised it has taken this long for Don King to contemplate promoting MMA. I think that Don King will be the best thing that ever happend to MMA....well...in North America. What do you think? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2005 11:10:42 AM | Sensi,
I never said getting hit by Mike Tyson wouldn't hurt, but if Tyson say threw a haymaker with his right, I'd say there's a very good chance a wrestler, judokan, or whomever could duck, shoot in and grab his left leg and take him down. Tyson's only defence on the ground would likely be to bite.
Don King isn't taking over the UFC, he's looking to start up his own company. The one thing that MMA is missing is real publicity. Sure they are on Spike TV in the States, but they do not get the ratings of other main stream sports stations. Don King just opening his mouth will get him on ESPN, mainstream news programs, or any other sports station for the type of media coverage UFC could only dream of. He's an amazing salesman. It doesn't matter how shady he is, if he brings in people willing to plop down some money on PPV's. Just think of all the money he has made in his life time promoting boxing. For myself, I find mixed martial arts a lot more exciting than boxing as a form of entertainment. Don King could get buy rates higher than when UFC first started out in the mid 90's.
And speaking of Mike Tyson, I bet you a Tito Ortiz/ Mike Tyson match could very well happen. Tyson needs the money, and Ortiz needs the rub from Tyson. Just the spectacle of a boxer of Tyson's caliber fighting a mixed martial artist would be enough for people to pay out some money. Come to think of it, Royce Gracie or Ken Shamrockvs. Mike Tyson could bring in better ratings in North America. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2005 11:42:21 AM | Arlovski Is the best fighter I have seen thus far In the UFC. He has the quickest hands, and Is allways relaxed. Very Important! A relaxed fighter will allways overcome a mad or frustrated fighter. And by relaxed I don't mean overconfidence.
I have been training In martial arts for quite some time now, but I still consider myself a 2 out of 10. Why so low? Because I believe It takes so much mental strength to be truely good. I know at my age and at this point In my life now Im not mentally there yet. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2005 7:48:16 AM | If iron Mike was in his prime...itd be a good fight, and I think we all agree that would depend on whether he can get a punch in or get taken down. The "baddest" on the planet... hell no. craziest maybe... but not most dangerous. I know too many people who would kick his ass as it is. And tysons too mentally ustable... he is a certifiable lunatic, and I do not say this in jest. I loved him as a boxer in his prime, but now... hes a shadow of his former self, and he does suffer from mental disorders, as can be evidenced by certain things hes said and done over the last few years..
as for Don King in MMA... not til theres million dollar contracts will you see Don get in the MMA forum, and he may contemplate it, but I wonder just how serious hed be about it...Im sure hes got enuff $$$... | |
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Posted: 11/7/2005 1:35:00 PM | | Lennox Lewis would have taken Tyson apart 10 years ago as well....even 15 years ago. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 12:27:22 PM | | Oh man...yardape, whyd ya have to go there man?!? I hate Lewis.. always have and always will. Hes a **** and how I wish I could say it in his eye crease. Iron Mike would have eaten Lewis for breakfast had they fought prime vs. prime. Tysons only problem was Lewis' size and reach, not his boxing ability. Lewis has the weakest jab Ive ever seen, and was only champ cuz the heavyweight division was bullshit when he was champ. You ever watched his footwork? His pathetic balance? And hes scared to get hit too... hit him a good one once and hes runnin like a punk. Guy doesnt even know which fake accent to use; one minute hes a Canadian, then by mid interview hes Jamaican and by the end hes a Brit! I tell you right now bub...Id smoke the living shit outta Lewis on his best day in his prime and me any time after I was 21 on my worst day. Lewis and his one right hand that was anything but fast. Lewis sux mondo****dude... and besmirches the term pugilist. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 4:34:00 PM | LOL Lewis is older than Tyson....And the fake Brit accent is a bit much, but with that reach, very hard to beat him. Lewis lost fights due to his lackadasical attitude more than anything. He can only beat himself.
Maybe you should have represented Canada in the Olympics instead of ol' Lennox huh? lol....Tyson fought a bunch of nobody's himself. That was part of the problem with Don King and his match making with the heavyweights, they all pretty much ducked each other. I remember Riddick Bowe not batting an eye when he was being interviewed for HBO I think it was and Lennox Lewis got right in his face, as he was doing colour commentary, and called him "Chicken Bowe" a foot from his face. Lewis beat him in the Olympics, and he would have beat him again as a pro, but the matchup never took place.
Tyson was never really a scientific boxer, he was a brawler with boxing tendencies. Lewis didnt' need to have great footwork or balance. As long as he could apply that jab, no one was getting anywhere near him. Very underated champion IMO. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 4:47:39 PM | | Here's a question for you.....Who is the person who you think could beat Fedor Emilenko? Personally....I feel that the only one that could beat him is Rulon Gardner..he only had the one pro fight in Pride, but he is a heavyweight Olympic gold medalist. I think the way to beat Fedor is to control him on the ground and keep him there...systematically pounding on him. If you watch any of Fedor's fights, he is the one in control with ground fighting. If he is on his back in a fight, it is not for very long. I think the longest I ever saw him on his back was against Heath Herring, and that was only for a minute or two max. If Gardner improves his striking and submissions offence/defence he could do it. However, I don't know if he is ever going to fight again or not. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 4:59:06 PM | | I really cant see anyone beating Fedor anytime soon. He is too good, too complete. He will dominate for the forseable future. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 10:58:42 PM | Fedor's main edge, besides being genegineered cold war super soldier that is, is preparation, I think. Either he's put more time in studying his opponents than anyone else by an order of magnitude, or he obeys his corner more quickly than anyone else in the sport. Now, being able to take a head drop german suplex and roll through without even noticing helps too, don't get me wrong. I just really appreciate the mental effort he puts in.
As to who can beat him, I think the Cro Cop fight was a lot closer than most folks seem to. I think if Mirko had put in that same kind of study time as Fedor, he might have won that one. His odds in a rematch aren't exactly good , but they're better than anyone else's currently. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 11:01:30 PM | | I have a lot of respect for Cro Cop. but I saw nothing in that fight that made me think that Fedor was in danger. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2005 12:17:31 AM | True enough. in that fight, he wasn't. But to my eye, the difference was more Fedor being one step ahead mentally than anything else. It was the same versus Minotauro. Fedor either had a very good idea giong in what submissions Nog would try and when, or he has the best corner ever.
What I'm saying, is that Mirko could conceivably stop him in a rematch. I'm not necessairily saying he would, but I'd give him a bit more than the normal "Puncher's Chance" that the UFC likes to haul out to make palookas vs wrestlers more interesting.
Man, this whole line of conversation makes me wanna see Arlovski in Pride. See how he'd do against guys that don't ... well, y'know, kinda suck. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2005 12:46:36 AM | If you watch the fight with Crocop vs Fedor.....and watch the fight with Crocop vs. Alexsander...they had the same game plan. Close the distance and turn it into a grappling match. One executed, the other did not. Crocop has no excuses ....how could he? He probably had been planning the fight since he beat Vovchychan 2 years ago. Being a poltical figure can't help his training or his stress levels. but outside of that, I dont' know what Crocop will do that is much different than the first fight.
How could Crocop beat Fedor?The only thing I can think of...after seeing the fight with both Emilenko brothers....is to let Fedor think he is cornering him....slip around him like he did with Alexsander and pound on him in the corner or against the ropes. Hope to finish him off, or do some major damage that way. Weaken him enough with corner attacks so it will set up a high kick. Other than that, I don't know how Crocop could possibly stop Fedor from taking him to the ground and turning it into Fedor's fight again.
Part of the reason why I think Rulon Gardner could beat Fedor (w/ the proper training) is that his strength is obviously wrestling, and likely his ability of controlling a fighter physically on the ground is likely better than Fedor's. Like I said in an earlier post, how long have you seen Fedor on his back in a fight? Not long at all. Rulon is the guy to put him in that position. I have no question in my mind he can do that to Fedor, provided Fedor doesn't pound the piss out of him standing up first, which likely would happen lol. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2005 6:45:57 AM | I dont know ALL the players in PRIDE these days, but Fedor is certainly impressive and an all round MMA competitor. I think preparation is step one to beating him. Also... staying upright offers a better chance. Avoid grappling. It would be tough to beat him on the ground. Hell hes tough standing up, but like most MMA guys, he shows some flaws someone will someday exploit. hes got a hard head too... but that can be easily negated. If he mounts you, youll have no choice but to give him your back... I think gettin him on his back.. and doing some things I just dont see any present MMA guys doing... certain... techniques... that would be how to beat Fedor. Having him on his back will make him most vulnerable... and paranoid. Hes used to fighting to stay off his back...
Fedor and Androvski would be a good match...
Personally Id love to take both on.
As for Lewis... cant believe he repped canada (sorry yardape...I trained for the Olympics in track n field not boxing, although I probably shoulda...) Lewis has no jab thats worth considering, and as for his reach... mines 84".. so Im not too worried about his! | |
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