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Posted: 11/25/2005 11:00:20 AM | | Best sport on the plant!!! Anyone know any good training clubs in ONT? I know two good ones. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2005 11:00:31 AM | | Best sport on the planet!!! Anyone know any good training clubs in ONT? I know two good ones. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2005 12:23:38 PM | | fya13fyta, I can point you to a number of excellent dojos in Ontario (be my pleasure!), but Id need to know where youre looking, and what youre lookin for, like any specific style. Im a walkin book on this stuff, esp. here in Ontario, and maybe I can help steer you where you wanna go! | |
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Posted: 11/25/2005 8:43:50 PM | saiyan, my nickname is a play on words. I selected it because at the time I signed up for this site, I owned the domain name for a womens martial arts site, although I ended up selling my domain name to a company that sells girls sports products. I just thought it was a cool name for a womens' martial arts site.
I make no claims to being a badass; I admit quite frankly that any UFC-caliber fighter could kick my ass. Hell, I even admit that it would be easy for them. And no matter how talented I eventually become, most if not all of them would probably continue to be capable of that due to size and muscle mass.
What I can tell you since you're asking is that I'm a serious student of Brazilian jiu-jitsu with prior teaching experience. I train directly under a 3-time UFC fighter, so I've seen firsthand the type of training one does for a fight and the level of skilled practitioners he trains with in order to develop his craft. I'm a purple belt in BJJ, which is the belt where BJJ practitioners are generally recognized as being qualified to teach and run their own academies, although I was teaching earlier as a blue belt under the supervision of a black belt. (Black belts in all arts are not created equal; people can get black belts in some styles faster than they can even get their very first belt promotion in BJJ.) I've trained in numerous martial arts, although the TMA styles were a long long time ago with the exception of judo which I've trained more recently in. I also have job training in defensive tactics. I'm not going to back up any of that, because none of these are freaking crazy insane claims like yours, and quite frankly I don't care if you believe any of it or not.
I'm not the one here who is making ridiculous claims about how quickly I could eliminate Liddell, Couture, AND Tito. Or how I'm so deadly I'd kill them before they could pound me to a pulp. Or how I can see all of their many mistakes because I know better than all of them. Or how I'd get Liddell's jugular if he tried to ground and pound me. Or (my personal favorite for a good laugh) how my 86 year old sensei could beat any UFC fighter. And these are only a few of your claims that I quite frankly see as supreme silliness, especially since you cannot possibly know that any of these are true without more experience than you can possibly claim to possess. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2005 9:03:40 PM | | fya13fyta, I've never been at their school directly, but I've attended BJJ seminars with some instructors from a place called Martial Arts Planet. They have some pretty diverse backgrounds in a variety of styles that would be well-suited for NHB training. I've also heard of one called Rebellion Jiu-jitsu that's supposed to be good, but I don't personally know anyone there. I'm not sure how close or far those would be from you, but I imagine there are others if those aren't nearby. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2005 7:44:51 AM | f*ck I hate when I gotta write a novel... Pretty cool and impressive martial arts history. Doesnt change much for me, however. Just remember that alot of things Ive said here were in RESPONSE to...comments initated by others. Like YOU. I... ANSWER as honestly and directly as I can. Whether its... believed, understood, authentic, or respected is really of little consequence. In the end I am simply one man with one opinion, and the key factor for all who walk this walk, (whether martial arts is an intrinsic part of that journey or not) is to find ones own truths and follow ones own path. Even a dojo... or many dojos, can only guide you and direct you. PERSONALLY...I am cautious of those who cannot think outside of the box. Or dojo, as the case may be. And those who are zealots of "their" way of martial arts. Everyone has and is entitled to their own opinions and preferences, and whether we believe them or not, it is up to us each of us individually to determine what is and is not useful. Being.. ecclectic is the key. Ju jitsu, for example, is an excellent and very popular martial art, especially since the emergence of Brazilian ju-jitsu, the Gracies, and UFC. Ive watched many a dojo change their training styles and philosophies, primarily because of the effectiveness of ju jitsu, specifically that illuminated by the Brazilians (it is an interesting read to trace the origins of Brazilian martial arts, and while youre doing that, look at the longer standing brazilian style that has existed for centuries, and the religion that it is entrenched in. Myself, seeing that I am of African decent, found it interesting enough to locate a mestre in Toronto to learn from, and heck, I always thought Eddie Gordo/Tiger was a damn cool character and one I could beat my homies with time and again! lol). Prettytough (despite the personal sparring) has reminded ME at least that this forum is about the fact that the UFC was started and based on Brazilian ju jitsu, so much that there has always been an argument about the UFC's rules "favoring" the brazilians ju jitsu. Hence those who prefer..other MMA venues, like Pride fighting. And here I come along and piss a few peeps off because I have an OPINION that UFC fighters, as cool, in shape, trained, and dedicated as they are, are not IN MY OPINION, based on my life and what Ive seen and done, the toughest and deadliest collection of "martial artists" that roam this planet.
Furthermore, I think it's dumb to collectively label MMA fighters as lower-end or even mid-range martial artists. Many of the UFC guys have extensive martial arts resumes. Thats not what I said at all. DUMB... would be taking things too personally, dumb would be being skewered by our prejudices and thereby misinterpreting and over-exaggerating what someone else said. You could almost say its the street vs. the dojo, if you will, and rekindle an age old argument. One that I conclude every time with one two-word answer, the answer to it all, and what we should ALL as martial artists be concerned about MOST: THE INDIVIDUAL. Bottom line.
Now, fya13fyta, I can live 2,000 miles away, be blinded by MY experiences and prejudiced by MY training, do a google search, attend a something somewhere held by someone famous or somehow impressive, go on what Ive.. heard, not know anyone "personally", and since Im such an EXPERT without one much less TWO black belts, and recommend a few.. oh lets say ju jitsu (since its so popular these days, and a pretty damn good style too). Despite my good intentions and potentially excellent advice (your GUESS would be as good as mine), I may have never even been to your country or even know what part of the country you live in, lets say, much less spent 27 years searching from one school to another in YOUR PROVINCE... drifting like the famed Samurai-saint whom I rever, looking, searching, learning, absorbing... I might not know OR CARE whether youre interested in any specific martial art(s), or what youve studied so far. I.. dont know what martial arts (whether it be one style...or ten) best match your attributes. Or.. maybe the needs of your profession. I do not know your philosophies.
Different martial arts have different answers to the same questions, and different people can make things work for them that don't work for other people. Sometimes you even find different answers to the same questions within the same martial art. I think part of the beauty of MMA is that in seeing multiple arts colliding we find that there are many "right" answers. . This is VERY true. You must find your own answers, starting with what to study (or maybe not: maybe the first thing is figgering what advice best suits you, for as is perfectly and fully evidenced by my last quote... sound advice can be found anywhere, and you must learn to extricate the useful nuggets found in whats often a steaming pile of doo doo.)
I actually had my own school as well, prettytough, but quit it.. when my philosophies became ... dark. I could not train people any more, cuz I couldnt teach what I dont believe in. Like self defence. Its also why I got spiderman tattooed: with great power comes great responsibility. What I believe you all better learn if you train in ANY martial art.
Earlier I mentioned... misinterpreting my opinion. For example:
whether you're looking at fighting from an athletic or self-defense standpoint See what I mean? I dont look at fighting from either standpoint. Not anymore.
But thats, my opinion. Based on all those bullshit stories (a.k.a. my life)... and more. Believe what you want... youre gonna anyways.
I'm not the one here who is making ridiculous claims about how quickly I could eliminate Liddell, Couture, AND Tito. Or how I'm so deadly I'd kill them before they could pound me to a pulp. Or how I can see all of their many mistakes because I know better than all of them. Or how I'd get Liddell's jugular if he tried to ground and pound me . Youre... tempting me to insult you, arent you. You either are a) deliberately trying to further instigate a beef, b) you made an honest misinterpretation of what was said, or c) youre a dumbass. I said what I said to EXEMPLIFY a.. particular way of thinking. When I said Id take all three on.. I would, if I had to. I... dont think I could do it in an octagon ring with rules and time limits. And if each one beat me down, Id find a knife, a sword, a gun, a f*ckin ICBM missle and nuke their asses. Oh.. you thought I was talkin about a fight.. for sport or even self defence, didnt you. Id said Id fight all three, but never said how, why, or under what circumstances. frrosty understood me.. why cant you? Oh yeah, remember, Im prone to hallucinations...I might think Im a lion, and theyre all hyenas. And I dont know if Id bite Liddles jugular, it was only an example of my mentality I was trying to express...
I might only get the chance to bite his nuts.
And if you think Im sayin this cuz Im BETTER than them or know MORE you really are an IDIOT.. or just made an honest misinterpretation. Crazy.. maybe... but the prison shrink cleared me. And you know NOTHING about ME. I have Goku PERMANENTLY tattooed on my f*ckin back cuz I was watchin my fav show the night after a nasty bar fight where I somehow came out bloody but completely untouched or scratched, bathing in the euphoria of selflessness, the void, and a taste of invincibility (boy you just dont know how deep my words have been, do you. You cant even see past the first layer much less the 3rd... like my last lines prior to these parentheses..profoundness would probably STILL escape you even though Ive just drawn your..attention to it). Goku was fightin Freiza and Namek was about to blow up... Frieza says to Goku that together they could rule the universe, they are the two toughest worriors and could destroy anyone/anything - even planets, and to forget his lowly friends, right after killing Krillen, Gokus best friend. Goku said that he is indeed one of the toughest, if not THE toughest and most powerful mortal in the UNIVERSE (a super-Saiyan), but that ...DOESNT MAKE HIS LIFE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYONE ELSES. Thats why hes on my back, permanently in my skin- that one espisode did it for me. And heres someone tellin me I think Im better than anyone. Or that Im not credible. Maybe if you lived outside of the dojo or been in a REAL fight with you life on the line, youd understand the MEANING behind what I say, whether the stories themselves are real or fictional. You probably need your google to find out who Goku even is, but you wouldnt if youve spent your LIFE searching for answers to explain what the f*ck you are. If anything, Im worse than most, esp. the UFC fighters, and if you deem that being a "self proclaimed badass" (which to me is an oxymoron), so be it. Sorry, Ive always had a problem fighting with rules. Mostly cuz there were no refs, judges, sensei, school yard attendant, cop, or whatever when I fight. If I was like you prettytough, Id really have little respect for UFC fighters. You discredit me because you havent seen PROOF.. well I havent seen any proof that any UFC fighters could survive what I have. Luckily.. Im not YOU!
And btw my school was called Ecclectic TKD.. like a nickname here it should reflect... what you want it to reflect. (and pics as well for that matter. Btw.. nice pics prettytough... but do you have anything to show a life OUTTA a dojo? You again dont do shit for homework when you asked me about my credentials, and maybe I didnt list them like your lil list ..I told you where to look. Evidently you didnt... or youd see, for example, my pics and all my medals and ribbons from ONE YEAR of competition.. when I was 18... 19 years ago! What were YOU doing prettytough... were you in your grade 4 class playing with your Little Pony?)
I was in a...jujitsu dojo in Whitby Ontario recently (the one across the street from Soccer City, close to the new AMC theatres off the highway and Thickson Rd.) and ran into a homie I did time with, as well as got into probaly about 30 street fights with. Hes a black in judo (shoulda made the olympics but wanted to get rich sellin crack- loser! He was actually #1 on the DRPS most wanted list) and a brown belt black stripe in jujitsu. When he saw me.. he bowed, which set off the instructor, who was already acting skittish. Chris asked me if I was gettin back into instructing..I said no. He gave me a wry grin and said "why? Afraid someones gonna finally come along and beat you?". I couldnt answer.. he.. reminded me of prettytough.. sounds like something YOUD say. I wanted to tell him the truth: if I find someone who can beat me, I embrace it...Ill run FOR it, for its an opportunity for me to be tested, and a chance to learn. I may know 1,000,000 things...you only one. If your ONE is NONE of my 1 mil, I MUST know it and learn it. This is nothing new FOR ME, not a sayin I just made up for people like YOU or Chris, a peon who just cant grasp it. But even a peon, is a PERSON I can still try to learn from. Ok prettytough, maybe youre not a "serfer", and I admire you in many other ways. Havin a site or even instructing in a school targeting self defence for women is awesome, but it leads me to also wonder ..if you like picking fights as well. Especially with men. Ive seen those kind before. Are you one? I only have limited facts to go by, like your nickname, its history, and your approach here, especially towards me an my..opinions, and what youve written. I could be in turn be misinterpreting your words and some of the underlying implications, (both those directed diliberately and those that subconsciously reflect your character)... but third parties that have more in common with you than with me concur with me. LIKE I SAID BEFORE (I hate repeating myself eh) others have disagreed with me a-plenty, they just didnt get in my face about it like you prettytough, and that speaks more to me than the color of your belt or who you train under, or what your credentials are. So if youd like to know, based on MY experience of 27 years (remember mine, not YOURS.. thats for YOU to determine and discover!) studying strictly HERE in ONTARIO CANADA and would like to know what SPECIFIC schools/dojos of MANY STYLES, INCLUDING MORE THAN 1 (one) Brazilian art which includes Ju jitsu, that Ive ATTENDED and trained, trained TRAINED in and can give your their addresses and directions by MEMORY and not thru a mapquest or google search, then hit me up by email.. not HERE... I thought this was about the UFC and MMA?!?
So
So..PERSONALLY fya13fyta (shit all you asked was a simple question and lookie what happened!) Ill wait to hear what I asked before.. like what part of Ontario you live in. And maybe find out what youre interests are (funny thing.. theres a thead here started by a british bloke about studying karate (shotokan specifically... like its not enough to study a martial art, theres also huge... differences of OPINION which style to choose... kempo or shotokan? brazilian vs traditional japanese styles like kodokan?).
In the end all I can say is I know jack shit. A wise Man is one who admits he knows nothing. Who knows what tomorrow may bring!
Apparently the Liddel/Couture fight is indeed Feb. 4... someone else had indicated otherwise... | |
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Posted: 11/30/2005 9:39:25 AM | I know.... Im really askin for it now, eh? lol
Forum was runnin smooth until...
never mind.
So you heard Iron Mikes gonna ref?? Wow thatll be wild! Who knows what will happen if that psychos in there! Someone can say or do something offensive to him and he'll probably freak out. And..poor Liddell... nort only is he gonna lose, but hes gettin no luv from you or me in this forum, sensi! his jugular, his balls, and now his left ear have all been targets for bite jokes... lets hope it stays at that- just a joke!!
Ive been wondering... who do you think is the brightest talent coming outta the Ultimate Fighter Series, including both seasons one and two? any faves, or anyone you think will make an impact and maybe get a title? | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 12:15:13 AM | | I agree with Tito ( as per Tito's Sherdog.com interview)....Ultimate Fighter is a joke. None of those fighters will amount to anything. Glorified tomato cans. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 12:20:25 AM | | were you planning on jumping him from behind with weapons?? cause i might be on you then | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 8:04:33 AM | I.. tend to agree with yardape there.. although Sanchez looks like a potential diamond in the rough.. goin by UFC standards these days. I remember one Ultimate Fighter guy saying hes been training in martial arts.. for 5 years. Wow. Im sure tomato cans have more training than that. And did you see some of thes guys conditioning, especially episode 1? Pathetic.
And I have no idea what the last piece of incoherency was, or who it was directed at.. all I know is that personally, I never attack from behind, and Im always carryin at least ten weapons with me wherever I go!
And sensi... I hope.. outta my diatribe earlier... that prettytough will see my invite to keep our sparrin within our own emails from now on, although I have absolutely no interest in speaking with HER again. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 10:29:43 PM | | No, I am not typing chapter 2. To write chapter 2, I'd have to finish reading chapter 1 first, and it's just too painful on the eyes. I saw a bunch of name calling and personal attacks just because I'm questioning his claims, a lot of poor grammar, back pedalling on previous claims of how he can beat all these UFC fighters, and some reference to his prison shrink. That was just from skimming; I'm not going to read it all. It's clear he's delusional; why bother. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 10:33:52 PM | Hey Saiyan,
The Russian Sambo Championships are happening this weekend, if everyone pools their money together, would you go and face Fedor during the preliminaries? I'm pretty sure it's Combat Sambo too.....Striking is allowed standing up, but not on the ground.
Are you game? lol | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 11:03:39 PM |
No, I am not typing chapter 2. To write chapter 2, I'd have to finish reading chapter 1 first, and it's just too painful on the eyes. I saw a bunch of name calling and personal attacks just because I'm questioning his claims, a lot of poor grammar, back pedalling on previous claims of how he can beat all these UFC fighters, and some reference to his prison shrink. That was just from skimming; I'm not going to read it all. It's clear he's delusional; why bother.
Ah, then you missed the best bit.
You probably need your google to find out who Goku even is, but you wouldnt if youve spent your LIFE searching for answers to explain what the f*ck you are
I hate to break it to you guy, but people 'learning who the **** they are' without the benefit of cartoons for centuries. Nothing against cartoons, but seriously. This sentence is one of the most magnificent things I've ever read, and not in a good way. Read back with an unbiased eye, dude. This thread is a lot of people talking about a sport they like, and one guy talking about himself.
As to the last piece of actual discussion raised, putting too much stock in anything that comes from Tito Ortiz is an enterprise fraught with peril. After ducking Chuck for something on the order of two years, his credibility is kind of shot.
Sanchez seems pretty steady. He's definitely done the most out of all the TUF guys. Whether he 'had help' or no, Diaz is no tomato can and that was a damn fine fight. As to the other guys, it's a bit early to tell. I think it's pretty ominous that neither Bonnar nor Griffen have fought anyone worth mentioning yet. Despite them putting on one of the best fights in the promotion's history, I don't see either of them going too far. They tend to get hit a lot, and Forrest is a bleeder besides. Against other guys their own size, that could lead to a lot of cut stoppages and KO's.
As much as I dislike the guy, Koschek has a lot of potential. If his MMA skills ever catch up to his wrestling, he'll be a force.
Second season, well, the heavyweights are a total wash. Guys like Buentello and Sylvia will walk through them, let alone the Pitbull. There's maybe some potential in the smaller guys though. I'd like to see how Jorge does in his actual weight class. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 11:17:30 PM | | I don't think you will see Tito ever ducking any Ultimate Fighter MMArtists. If any of these guys win a championship in UFC, it will just prove how minor league UFC really is. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 11:20:02 PM |
I don't think you will see Tito ever ducking any Ultimate Fighter MMArtists
^^^^Lol......lets see him fight Cro Cop....lol............he'll run like a little girl  | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 11:25:11 PM | I'm talking about the show ...The Ultimate Fighter. Any of those MMArtists.
Tito is not a heavyweight. Crocop is........ but anyways. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 11:29:17 PM | Tito is not a heavyweight. Crocop is........ but anyways.
sooner or later he will Be..and if the Money is big enough and real fighters want pay days..it will happen...Cro Cop is probably one of the best fighters in the world.and given the chance he would spank Tito and send him home to Momma | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 11:32:41 PM | The would both have to be in UFC or Pride for that to happen. Tito just signed a multi fight deal with UFC finally..and has made it well known that he does not want to fight forever.
They're never going to fight. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 11:37:38 PM | and has made it well known that he does not want to fight forever
He is the Roy Jones Jr of UFC...he can't quite cut it as a heavy weight so he is willing to settle...if Cro Cop ever comes over from Pride to UFC...he will turn UFC upside down,and dominate | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 11:47:52 PM | UFC is too cheap to pay for a fighter of Crocop's caliber. They probably don't even have the money to begin with. UFC is a distant 2nd to Pride in both ratings and money earned world wide.
I'm not a Tito fan, but he is not as bad as you make him out to be. I enjoy seeing him getting a beat down as the next person, but he is not horrible by any means. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2005 11:58:05 PM | I'm not a Tito fan, but he is not as bad as you make him out to be. I enjoy seeing him getting a beat down as the next person, but he is not horrible by any means.
He is a disrespectful idiot and You know it...He is not as bad as He use to Be after getting spanked by a real heavy weight...the only real skill he has is his speed..and how much he can run his mouth....I give him another 2 years at tops..then he will be holding the ring towel for real fighters.. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2005 12:05:32 AM | If his personality and talent make people want to see him get the piss beat out of him all the better. Of the fighters in UFC, how have any sort of personality?
I think a lot of what Tito says is to stir the pot to drum up business. When people look at UFC, the casual guy on the street is probaly thinks Tito is the UFC champ. Like it or not, he is the face of the company.
What heavyweight are you talking about? Neither Corture or Liddell are heavyweights. They are lightheavyweights. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2005 12:17:13 AM | There were big interpromotional plans for Pride and UFC, but they got pretty much scrapped when Liddell got his ass handed to him by Rampage. I don't think Mirko will ever end up fighint in North America, but it's not impossible. If he's done all he can in Pride (and there's the distinct chance he has) then who knows what he'll do.
As for Tito, he's an above average wrestler with a freakish ability to cut weight. That's it. I don't really like weight cutting, but I find it hard to condemn a guy for cutting to 205 rather than fight in the HW division. If you're 'actual' fighting weight is, say 230, then you can either drop down and push little guys around, or give up 35 lbs. That's a pretty easy choice.
The thing with Tito, is he doesn't even do all that well against other guys who cut to 205. He needs that strength advantage to win. As to him ducking guys, he doesn't really have that option anymore, now that he's not king of the mountain. Given the option, would Tito duck any of the TUF guys? Probably not. Does that mean he gets to say that they're all crap? Well, yeah, 'cause that's his schitck. It's what he says about everybody. Does that mean it's true? Hell no. A lot of these guys are long term investments. Very young, very green. What they can do now isn't much of an indication as to what they might do given the chance to fight for a living.
I'm pretty eager to see how Tito v. Griffen turns out. It'll be quite the test for Forrest.
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I think a lot of what Tito says is to stir the pot to drum up business. When people look at UFC, the casual guy on the street is probaly thinks Tito is the UFC champ. Like it or not, he is the face of the company.
Tito hasn't been the face of the company for a while, I don't think. I think most would either be people who've followed along since his time, who know he's not the champ, folks brought in by Spike TV, who know Chuck better, and folks who haven't watched in ages who think Royce Gracie is the be all and end all. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2005 12:21:56 AM |
What heavyweight are you talking about? Neither Corture or Liddell are heavyweights. They are lightheavyweights.
There is this tiny little fighter Guy call...uuuuuuummmmm???....Ken Shamrock????? | |
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Posted: 12/2/2005 12:26:57 AM | Shamrock lost to Tito Ortiz....quite badly....and Ken fights at light heavyweight now.
Tito did lose to Guy Mezger early in his career and avenged that loss later on....if that is the "Guy" your'e talking about? | |
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