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Posted: 12/8/2005 7:12:08 AM | Hey... youre from TORONTO.. right sompong?? GREAT! Im really close to there... maybe I can come visit where you train sometime... or you can swing by my way to where I do.... theres also a nice thai school with a ring in Scarborough, at Ultimate Martial Arts (formerly Siam) on Progress Drive, which is right between where you are and where I am...
that way no one needs to talk ANY shit. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2005 10:44:17 AM | So sensi... you prefered the first ultimate fighter better than the second?
Me too..if I had to pick ONE... kinda like picking between a rsenic and cyanide!!! At least there were heavyweights in UF2... | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 6:50:02 AM | Ive been watchin just about everything Spike TV's been showing lately ... and I must say Im liking some of the talent coming outta Canada. Other than Carlos Newton. David Loiseau from Montreal, for example. And hes got a strong background in TKD. Sweet. I love seeing a fight end cuz of a body shot. And Liddell and Couture seem so buddy-buddy these days... I wonder who has the most.. x-box victories between the pair! lol
Good to see them at the VGA show... Spike TV has sure done their part to give MMA some exposure... kudos to them. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 9:13:45 AM | I think youre right there with me sensi! I could say that I post a lot cuz im in love with everything martial arts and scrappin related, but hey.. truth be told...Im an insomniac!
Guess others will pitch in again when the next MMA event goes down.... | |
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Posted: 12/15/2005 9:55:33 AM | yeah... bring on some ladies! Well, as long as theyre not lookin for a fight like some Ive seen... I know one who is heavily into her martial arts and reads here but doesnt post... maybe shell come around...
and sensi... youre right.. Ive written a lot, eh? lol.. and with both hands so smashed I can only use two fingers. I am a 'keyboard warrior' (remember that one) that uses the praying mantis style of typing!
I hope others do come on and talk more about MMA.. but, there isnt much else goin on MMA-wise, is there? Spike is running reruns and nothing bigs slated tilnext yr. I think Ill come back then and se if this thread is still alive (and spend my wee hrs tryin to learn more moves from playing video games).. if not... its been a blast, and Ill catch ya out in the other forums somewhere!! | |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 1:25:23 PM | | I am obsessed with MMA, mostly "Gracie Jui-Jitsu"... I will say UFC is good, but I truly believe that Pride FC, has the more dominating and complete fighters. The Brazilian fighters in Pride, are nothing short of impressing, and Chuck Lidell even got his a$$ kicked in a Pride tournament, when there was no cage to help out his take down defense. I'm not a huge fan of the cage, I prefer the ring. I rather see the techniques utilized as opposed to some guy just trying to gain an advantage by using the fence. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 1:34:32 PM | | ^^^Very True...The Referees ,are also much better.........Pride Is much better By Far....... | |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 4:16:49 PM | Know what I always loved about Pride? They don't do it anymore, but back in the day, when a fight on the ground got too close to the ropes, the ref would make the fighters freeze and ten guys would scurry in and drag everything back to the center. I don't know why, but that was always incredibly cool to me.
Plus the commentary. I miss Quadros on the mic, but Bas is still around. He's worth about thirty Rogans.
And of course, the fighters. Sak (Before Wanderlei made him a haunted shell of himself), Hendo, Fedor, CroCop, Igor, The Nogueras. List goes on. There's some pretty cool japanese guys too, especially once you get down to the Bushido shows. Gomi and Sakurai, to name but two.
Ah, Pride. Eases the pain. | |
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Posted: 12/16/2005 5:24:42 PM | I'm very pleased to see ther are some Pride FC fans!
I hope others do come on and talk more about MMA.. but, there isnt much else goin on MMA-wise, is there?
Pride FC, is presenting "Shockwave 2005", on January 1st. The lineup is very impressing...
Wanderlei Silva vs. Ricardo Arona.
Dan Henderson vs. Mark Hunt.
Takanori Gomi vs. Hayato Sakurai.
Mirko Cro Cop vs. Mark Hunt.
Fedor Emelianenko vs. Zulu.
Yoshida vs. Ogawa.
There are a few more fights on the card, and I'm sure the fights will be good.
My picks for the winners of the fights I'll be paying attention to are:
Silva... Decision. Arona is a great grappler, but it is very difficult to submit Silva. It's very hard for a grappler to win a decision against a champion striker who is also versed in grappling.
Bustamante... Decision, or Submission. Henderson is very resilient, but Bustamante will dominate position and will be constantly going for submission attempts. He also has a boxing background. So Henderson is just going to be hang in there for as long as he can.
Cro Cop... Knockout! He's got some serious striking abilities. If you stand up too long, he will knock you out on your feet. If you take him to the ground and don't know what you are doing... It's lights out!
Yoshida... Submission, or TKO. He has great technique, and he is a very tough fighter. I've seen him fight some top name fighters, and he has given them all a run for their money.
Emelianko.. Knockout, or TKO. He's the champ, and he isn't going to fall off the top anytime soon. He's a complete fighter. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2005 1:00:13 AM |
Cro Cop... Knockout! He's got some serious striking abilities. If you stand up too long, he will knock you out on your feet. If you take him to the ground and don't know what you are doing... It's lights out!
..My favorite Fighter,bar none.When the Bell rings....I would not want to be the other Guy in the corner......
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Posted: 12/17/2005 2:01:59 AM |
Dan Henderson vs. Mark Hunt.
I meant to say: Dan Henderson vs. Murilo Bustamante... Hey, I was in a rush. Sorry! | |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 9:22:55 AM | I too enjoyed it when the Pride refs would drag them back to the middle of the ring to continue in the position that they were in against the ropes... that way no one can run throwing a leg over the ring to buy time, and it kinda reminds me of high school wrestling as well.
So my question now is... since so many justifyably prefer pride fighting... is it possible that it will gain as much popularity HERE as it does abroad, and what are ways that might help promote more Pride fights for the North American masses? | |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 11:23:31 AM |
So my question now is... since so many justifyably prefer pride fighting... is it possible that it will gain as much popularity HERE as it does abroad, and what are ways that might help promote more Pride fights for the North American masses?
Sure it's possible, but it wont be easy. UFC which is based primarily in the US, has also had it's struggles with popularity, but I think through the years as the fighters were becoming more and more recognized, people became more interested in martial arts. Now more people appreciate the effort it takes to be a fighter. The first UFC challenges, with the exception of "Royce Gracie" and a few others, were simply a joke... Anybody could have stepped into that "octagon"! Today MMA is taken very seriously, and you have to know what you are doing just to get a chance at even entering the cage or ring. With this new appreciation and understanding of MMA, It will just be a matter of time before both UFC and Pride will gain more and more popularity. Many people who do not understand martial arts, do not wish to pay $29.95 to watch it, especially Pride. Many Americans are not too familiar with the very popular Japanese fighters, who are rarely seen in the UFC. Maybe a "Pride-Bushido Tournament", such as America vs. Japan, will do a lot to boost the popularity here in the US... It could also be the same for the UK. Get those fighters together and have a showdown! | |
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Posted: 12/19/2005 12:57:16 PM | My take on the popularity issue in North America.
I think for the masses that are into sports, but not MMA, the reason they don't follow it is because of the belief that the rules are set up like the intial UFC fights. No standup rule, lay and pray fighting.
Another thing to consider, is that the sport is still in its infancy in North America. MMA has really only been around here for around 10 years or so. It takes awhile to build up any sort of fan base and KEEP IT. UFC was little more than a train wreck that people were stopping to see when it first came out. The novelty of the cage, vale tudo rules for the most part, people wanted to see someone get killed more than anything. When UFC lost their PPV, that could have been the end of MMA, but luckily it was not. It will be a long hard road to build up an audience that is interested in following MMA on a consistent basis.
Something that will probably hold back Pride in North America is the lack of American fighters on the show. Is it racist? Sure it is. But if the Pride shows didn't feature japanese fighters, the japanese fans wouldn't want to watch it. Each culture wants to watch their own. Other than Sakuraba or Yoshida, the rest of the japanese fighters are mediocre at best.
Russians, Croatians, Brazillians, I don't see how these nationalities are marketable to the North American audience.
What holds back UFC IMO is the fact they don't have any really marketable fighters. They have a few who people know of, but the match making possiblities are pretty lousy. Randy Courture, Chuck Liddell, BJ Penn, Tito Ortiz, Rich Franklin......that simply is not enough. They are not even household names like athletes from other sports.
The Ultimate Fighter is a good start to give MMA added exposure in North America, but I think show casing the fights on television is the only way to show that MMA has changed from the days of the original UFC.
As for a product, Pride is packaged so well. I would love to see Pride shown on a major network here in North America (The Fight Network does not count), because I feel they have the best chance of going the furthest. The fights are simply more entertaining to watch. They build up characters better. The entrances are better. The commentating is better. It has a look and feel of a major league promotion and not some illegal looking, back alley fight. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 1:39:02 AM | The commentating is better. Maybe not with Bas leaving.
See his site for details, at basrutten.tv .  | |
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Posted: 12/29/2005 12:40:24 PM | sensi... you are so easily mislead my friend?? The woman you mention... is none other than prettytough under another guise!! So... technically yeah she is a WOMAN, but not someone new to the forum. And We've already heard what she has to say...
Im likin the idea of.. international face offs. Japan vs. US, or UK... Im from Canada, and lately we have been producing some quality MMA contenders... So Id like to see us in there as well...
too bad hockey isnt a MMA or wed be #1!! lol
at any rate...Id like to see Pride fighting on a network, and have something to rival the UFC... | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 11:16:15 PM | xxhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2674776131800907846&q=mma .
Ah, good times ... | |
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Posted: 12/30/2005 11:40:07 PM | | That reminds me...are there any good sites to get wacks of DVD quality MMA fights? I use ARES for file sharing but I find the selection kind of limited. Anyone know of good places to go? | |
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| Shockwave: (spoilers within)
Posted: 1/3/2006 10:31:19 AM | So, Who all saw Shockwave '06: Night of The Living Split Decision?
Fedor Emelianenko v Zuluzinho was a fecking joke. When people call guys like Akira Shoji tomato cans, this is the fight I'll point to and say "No, this guy's a tomato can."
Dan Henderson v Murilo Bustamante. A good fight, and a close fight. My biggest worry is that Hendo doesn't seem to have changed his stand up at all. It's the same "duck in with the overhand left, repeat as needed" that Li'l Nog exposed in the MWGP. He ended the fight pressing though, which is usually good for a nod from Pride judges.
Takanori Gomi v. Hayato Sakurai. I saw this as a lot closer than most folks, apparently. It all went pear shaped when Sakurai went for one of those Judo-ish headlock takedowns and couldn't get him over because they were two near the ropes. Gomi landed on top and took advantage with strikes. All downhill from there.
Kazushi Sakuraba v. Ikuhisa Minowa. I want to see Saku fight more guys his own size. It was good to see him put a good effort out there, especially since the guys who went in on the PPV with me watched Pride 5 for an appertizer. After seeing him dismantle Belfort, they expected big things.
Mark Hunt v Mirko Cro Cop. Mirko's got that drawn, Igor Vovchanchyn look about him nowadays. I'll throw myself on the pile of folk saying he needs a vacation. Still, the galling thing is he still would have won that fight against most anyone else. Hunt's head must be solid bone all the way through.
Wanderlei Silva v Ricardo Arona. A much better effort from Silva this time out, but still a close match. Apparently Arona had been claiming he'd 'expose Silva's BJJ Black Belt', but ended up exposing his wrestling instead. Arona spent most of the fight in full Lay n' Pray mode, using muscle (and a lot of skill, I'll admit) to keep Wanderlei down. Silva, for his part, made the best of what he had, striking from the bottom and scoring a few solid leg kicks from his patented 'Looming Hobgoblin position. For the most part, he was smothered though. If Arona had showed any real offence at all, he would have won.
Hidehiko Yoshida v Naoya Ogawa. Pretty standard grappling, with Ogawa tapping out midway through the first to an armbar.
A good show, more endurance and technique than the UFC's KO heavy fare. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 8:58:48 PM | I saw it.
Fedor just mugged Zulu. That was amazing.
I thought Dan Henderson lost to Bustamante. I wish they had one more round to make it a little more clear cut. Bushido rules of 2 rounds doesn't make much sense to me.
I hadn't ever seen Gomi fight before.....He really impressed me for a little guy.
Sakuraba looked fat. I wonder if they will finally match him up with Dan Henderson now that they have the new middleweight champtionship? Sakuraba will get KO'd unless Henderson loses in a cheap Ken Shamrock type fashion.
Why Mirko didnt' take Hunt down to the ground before the last minute of the final round...was beyond me. He basically lost a K-1 match. If he had Hunt mounted earlier in the fight, I wonder who would have won. What was the deal with Crocop and the wrestling shoes? To make Hunt think he was going to take him down? To give Crocop more traction so he didnt' slip when he kicked? I really thought he would mix in some take downs with Hunt. Oh well...Fighting Fedor, Barnett, and Hunt going the distance in each fight is too much in such a short period of time.
Silva did enough to beat Arona. I thought the fight was a tie myself. Arona didn't do anything to Silva to warrant winning. Arona's history is to control the guy on the mat and do little else. The fight is already available to watch on Wanderlei Silva's webpage if you care to watch it again (or for the first time).
Yoshida beat Ogawa. Surprise, surprise. I can't believe both of these clowns were paid about a million bucks each to fight. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 9:17:39 PM | Who do you think are the top contenders for the various Pride FC titles?
Here's my take:
Heavyweight
I think this is a pretty cloudy situation. I would have liked to have seen Mirko get another shot, but it's not gonna happen for the forseeable future. I think Fedor against Yoshida or Sergei Kharitonov will likely happen next. Maybe these two will have to face each other first to get a shot, I'm not sure. I would think Pride officials would give Yoshida a shot at some point as he is 36 and not getting any younger and the huge buy rates it would likely garnish in Japan.
Middleweight
If Arona won, Shogun vs Arona would have happend for sure. I wonder if Silva will face little Nog now? I don't know. Perhaps fed a steady diet of Japanese tomato cans? I'd put him up against little Nog myself....or pray Shogn and Silva change their minds and decide to duke it out.
Welterweight
Dan Henderson. Likely Sakuraba....What would the excuse be for him not to fight Sakuraba? Maybe Pride officials just want Sakuraba to face some more opponents who are heavier than him just so they can say "oh...well what did you expect, he was outweighed"..or some cop out like that.
Lightweight
No idea. Gomi looks solid though..I don't follow the little Bushido guys. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 9:51:47 PM | HW: Well, Hunt has certainly put himself on the map. Whoever doesn't get the next crack at Fedor may have to face Hunt in order to keep their spot. I can't believe that guy didn't fall down ...
MW: Shogun v. Arona II may happen anyway, if the schools make a big thing out of it. Arona was pissed at the decision, and may want to try his luck with Rua The Greater in a bid to bloody Chute Boxe's nose. Wanderlei will probably have a couple of not so challenging fights before his next serious contender.
WW: Saku for sure. He's been playing David v. Goliath for too long as it is. He's the first great MMA fighter Japan's produced, and he's never worn a belt. I'd be surprised if they went three shows before pulling the trigger on this one.
LW: I dunno either. I haven't had the $$ for Bushido shows, even though I love the speed of the lighter fighters.
As for Shockwave, I don't think Mirko was confident that he could take Hunt down. Plus, he's have to wade through those fists to clinch first. I think his game plan was solid, even though it depends on finishing the guy. His conditioning just let him down. Understandable, given his schedule of late.
Oh, and one more thing. I miss Bas already. Despite acknowledging how easy he is to choke out, Trigg remains a tool. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 11:59:24 PM | RE Fedor.
I truely believe that Fedor is going to be to Pride/MMA what Mike Tyson was to Pro Boxing before his self destruction.
Fedor will dominate the division so strongly for the next couple of years that it will almost get to the point where he will hurt the sport by being unstoppable. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2006 12:29:53 AM | | The difference between Fedor and Mike Tyson is that Mike Tyson was a fraud who fought non-challengers. | |
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