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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:21:26 AM | I am an anti-Tito fan. That is, whenever he fights I'm a temporary fan of the other guy. I find his antics arrogant and over-the-top, and generally am not amused by all this posturing and "stage behavior" in MMA.
Although I did see a funny video once where Heath Herring was staring down a Japanese fighter before the fight, the Japanese fighter got in real close for the staredown and then kissed Heath, and then Heath KOed the Japanese guy before the fight. That amused me. 
Cage Rage 15 has Pele vs Lutter, Stout vs Matsui, and fights with Vitor Belfort, Chris Lytle, and that Minowa guy from Pride. I'm looking forward to it. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 10:04:34 AM | yeah.. for some reason.. I liked Belfort...lookin forward to seein him scrap.
Id like to see him smash Tito..
and speakin of guys i dont like...
whats kevin randlebiotch doing these days? anyone know? | |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 1:40:55 PM | Randleman is still in Pride I think. He did a Pride event in Europe I believe sometimes last year.
Here's a question.....Mike Tyson keeps coming up in these threads. About 2 or maybe 3 years ago, there was talk of Bob Sapp from K-1 fighting Tyson in some sort of contest. I imagine the rules were going to be modified for Tyson's benefit. The fight never materialized because Tyson's criminal record did not allow for him to enter and fight in Japan, believe it or not. Tyson is coming off what.....3 straight loses in boxing.....to Lennox Lewis..and 2 journey men if memory serves me correctly.. Tyson's is basically finished as a boxer. Wouldn't Tyson work as a UFC draw? I know the money issue will be raised, but really, Tyson's stock has to be at an all time low for boxing.
Where else can he go? He needs the money because of his financial blunders, he would give the UFC a HUGE PR boost. Imagine the draw of Tyson for a UFC PPV? Tyson being able to punch or kick like the animal he is perceived?
Who would UFC match up against Tyson? The main reason Tyson would be brought in would be to elevate UFC. Do you feed him to the wolves by putting him in against Arlovski or Liddell? Do you try to build someone around a defeat of Tyson? Do you put him in against someone like Tank Abbott? Imagine the spectacle of those two talkin trash to each other? lol
Why wouldn't UFC spend the money....to get Tyson to fight...I can't imagine he would cost as much now....and it would be a giant "**** you" to the sport of boxing. You would have lots of crossover appeal just to see the spectacle of someone like Tyson fighting in a cage. If UFC builds on a Tyson match...great...if not...they make boxers look like 2nd rate in combat sports. Its a win/win situation for UFC...Tyson gets a paycheck....and most of all, fans get entertained.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 2:06:41 PM | I think if Tyson was going to fight in this sort of thing, it would be in K1. K1 has tons of cash, and there he only needs to learn to deal with kicks, not sprawling and subs and all that.
Bob Sapp is in K1 and would be a possible opponent. They have all sorts of well known fighters in there though they could match up against him.
Tyson and K1 did actually get close to signing a deal, and maybe he did actually sign, but it fell apart.
Even though it's just striking, I think Tyson would get hurt. Can you imagine him taking Crocops head kick? He's be so out. Put him in againt Semmy Schilt, or Hoost, or Hunt, I think it's ugly for Tyson in every case.
Against Sapp he might have a chance, and maybe against Goodridge, but I think even he'd beat up Tyson, as he did win an 8 man tournament last year.
I bet Tyson signed and then realized he was about to get hurt in a whole new way and then went back to boxing, where he lost again, and now he's packed it in.
I bought Tyson's last ppv fight, which cost more then twice what a UFC costs, and I will never pay money to watch him again.
The only boxing vs MMA fight I would have any interest in seeing these days would be the winner of The Contender vs the winner of TUF, because at this point, I have no idea who holds any of the boxing belts anymore, and I don't really care. | |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 12:22:09 AM |
i rekon all you MMA lovers are full of it. if Tyson met any of your so called "Champs" on the street, they'd be out cold wait'in for a taxi
Hahahahhahaha.
That was a funny one :)
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Posted: 1/24/2006 6:09:48 AM | lol too funny sensi!
Iron Mike would excel... if the rules were a bare minimum, and biting and eye-gouging were allowed!
funny thing though... sensi... you might be more correct than we give credit... cuz you said on the STREET.. were dirty fighting reigns, and tyson was ALWAYS good at dirty fighting; so maybe he WOULD have the edge in an all-out street brawl. Thats why I say in a pit fight with handcuffs and shackles, and Tyson would reign supreme. He has the experience!!
It is an interesting note that Tysons record has hampered him from competing abroad... a problem I know all too well, and I found that even with a pardon, I cant ever compete in the U.S. I havent found out about Japan as of yet, cuz Im thinkin of movin to Yokohama for a few years, once Ive gotten my pardon. Til then, Im lookin forward to gettin into the Canadian venues...
As for yardapes idea... Im all for it, and I agree. I mean.. why not? Mike needs something if hes not satisfied with retiring (and who would be with the way his last few fights went?), and hes washed up as a boxer, something he barely was when he was at his best. In terms of him competing, It would be fun to see him and Tank Abbott talkin trash, but I think Tyson would smoke that fat loudmouth. As for Mike taking head kicks... Im not so sure, cuz he has proven that hes got a hard head and isnt easy to K.O. Plus... theres always that One Punch thing with Tyson... he stings you... no matter who you are, you will indeed be wakin up in the back of a taxi. Thats one of Tysons sellin features... that x-factor, and dynamite in BOTH fists. Be interesting to see what a few years of tutelage under a Millitech, a Severn or a Gracie would do for Tyson...
and I still say tyson knows 52 blocks, and if he does... hes more dangerous than we (except sensi, his PR man, cheerleader and fan-atic lol!) give him credit for.
Til Tyson trains, hes still at a huge disadvantage against your Arlovskis, Liddels, Goodridges, et al. As a commentator, hed be a riot, and as a ref hed be probably tempted to get into it more than he would officiating, and I can just picture that nutcase sniffing the mat for fresh blood after each match...
like I would!
I wonder what his price tag would be.. like Y/A99 said.. the dudes in debt. Probably spent his last $$$ on that face tattoo. And as said earlier.. if Don King got into MMA... would he recruit Iron Mike? Probably not, since Im sure hes .... milked Mike for more than his fair share already. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 5:01:26 PM |
if we could have an over 200lb contest of the top...TEN MMA guys... who would they be?[
Top ten, 200+. Lessee. The top tier of Pride's HW's for sure. CroCop, Fedor, & Nog. Maybe Kharitonov too. Arlovski makes five. Then, I guess some weight cutting 205 'ers. Couture's had Heavyweight success before. Wanderlei has had good outings against Hunt and Mirko, so he earns a spot. Overeem put on enough of a show in MWGP to get a nod for #8, and Shogun too since he won the damn thing. There's nine. I'd leave liddell out of it because I really don't think he's got the stuff to compete at a size disadvantage. Fuggit. Put Hunt in there too. Chances are he and Fedor would make the finals, where Hunt would sacrificed to some obscure Cold War Cyborg God.
Although I did see a funny video once where Heath Herring was staring down a Japanese fighter before the fight, the Japanese fighter got in real close for the staredown and then kissed Heath, and then Heath KOed the Japanese guy before the fight. That amused me.
Heath has had some good moments. I like his match with Mark Kerr in particular. I'd like to see him make a run in the UFC, actually. He's peaked as far as Pride goes, but I'd give him even money against anyone short of the Pitbull.
whats kevin randlebiotch doing these days? anyone know?
Randleman is signed for the next Pride card, though his opponent hasn't been decided yet. Guy pisses me off. Physically, he's such a freak that he should be unstoppable. Power, speed, balance. He just hasn't bothered to learn how to do anything besides lay on people. Very annoying.
OK. Tyson. The UFC may not even want him. I wouldn't. Tyson's a name, sure. He comes with a ready made fan base of folks like -Sensei- who'll pay money to see him, no doubt. But the UFC is trying to distance themselves from the kind of crap Tyson brings with him. They're trying to get over as a legit sport, and might not want to risk the PR fallout of having some poor **stard's ear bitten off. Boxing is a big enough organization to absorb something like that. MMA isn't.
OK. Tyson as an MMA competitor: I don't see it. Iron Mike's a pretty old dog to be picking up the new tricks involved in keeping an MMA fight from going somewhere he can't punch his way clear of. Plus, his cardio is suspect.
OK. Tyson in a streetfight: I don't even like talking about streetfights because that's not what I'm here for, but this point needs to be made. Well, remade. Just because other fighters are professionals who show discipline in their bouts doesn't mean they couldn't or wouldn't use the same tactics Tyson does if they were set upon in an alley somewhere.
In the early years of MMA, Gary Goodridge won a fight by reaching into the other guy's trunks and squeezing his balls 'til he tapped. CroCop was an anti terrorist commando, you think he would draw many lines in a streetfight? It's a false assumption.
Oh, and Saiyan. Pride has announced an openweight tourney in the spring. They haven't announced participants yet, but I thought you'd like the news anyway. I'm not sure how it'll come out myself. Put Fedor in there with a lightweight, and he might eat the poor guy. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 3:10:47 PM | Randleman is signed for the next Pride card, though his opponent hasn't been decided yet. Guy pisses me off. Physically, he's such a freak that he should be unstoppable. Power, speed, balance. He just hasn't bothered to learn how to do anything besides lay on people. Very annoying.
Almost true but not quite.
Randleman added the left hook to his aresenal a few years ago. That is his primary weapon. He has used it successfully a couple of times. The two that come to mind are his match against Ninja, and then his match against Crocop. Remember the Crocop one? Feint a double leg take down, geting the guy to drop his hands to go for the double underhooks in the spawl, then stand up and waste him with the left hook - lights out Crocop. I got to give bigtime credit to Coleman for coming up with that one.
The other weapon Randleman has is his powerslam. Remember him slamming Fedor on his head? Sure, Fedor transitioned it into an armbar and won the match right there, but he's not really human; most people would have been out cold.
The other weapon Randleman has is knees on the ground. This is the only weapon he has on the ground that I can see, and it only works under Pride rules. He has to get the guy down, then transition to a north-south position, then he has those flying knees to the head, ala Coleman style.
I think way back when he used to do keylocks too. I'm pretty sure he has those but I don't think it occurs to him in the fights to use them.
I agree though, Randleman is super boring most of the time. He's extremely frustrating to watch. His fight with Sakaraba highlighted all of his shortcomings.
I think he might do better in the UFC, where you can use elbows, and it's easier to do damage from the top of the guard.
Actually, I would pay big money to watch Randleman and Tito go at it.
I think all Randleman really needs to do to get a lot better is learn how to punch from the top of the guard - he hits like a girl, and he needs to start listening to Coleman. Coleman's always shouting at him what to do and Randleman always does something else.
I'm sort of excited to see Coleman and Shogun go at it next month. I suppose Shogun is going to hurt him bad and fast; it could be really ugly, but I will be cheering the old guy on.
UFC is next Saturday!!!! 
I hope Riggs and Diaz make it on the main card. Normally I like all of the fights they sign, but come on, Eliers and Bunatello suck, I don't want to see boring heavyweights when we could be watching Riggs and Diaz. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 10:14:02 PM | | I heard that Tyson was in Thailand for a while training muay thai.. is that true? I mean with his craziness and muay thai skills he could do fairly well.. just my two cents. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 10:18:57 PM | | The next UFC looks amazing what with Couture (one of my favorites) and Liddell for round three. I hope couture smacks the crap out of liddell. Liddell has to be the least talented but at the same time luckiest strikers ever.. Of course after that its all about the canadians. dave the crow loiseau who i know personally is going to whip rich franklin's ass. Rush St. Pierre is also fighting and he is soo dominant these days. Its going to be great. I just love watching canadian fighters get the respect they deserve. Both are from montreal which of course is awesome. | |
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Posted: 1/28/2006 8:27:04 PM | I think that UFC 58 is going to be really interesting with the whole USA vs Canada idea. They announced a few days ago that John Alessio will be fighting Diego Sanchez. This is the rumored card right now
UFC 58 - MARCH 4th Mandalay Bay
- Rich Franklin vs David Loiseau
- BJ Penn vs Georges St.Pierre
- Nathan Marquardt vs Joe Doerksen
- Kristof Midoux vs Tom Murphy
- Mike Swick vs Steve Vigneault
- Sam Stout vs Kenny Florian
- Diego Sanchez vs John Alessio
- Seth Petruzelli vs. Rob MacDonald | |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 4:13:35 PM | Makes a lot of sense considering the MMA powerhouse that Canada is. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2006 4:23:48 PM | | I agree, in the recent years, canada has definitely become a power to reckon with as far as mma fighters go. Lots of those originate from montreal for some reason. What do you guys think chances are of the crow and rush versus rich franklin and bj penn.. | |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:49:41 AM | I don't think the Crow doesn't have a great chance vs Franklin. He doesnt seem to have the wrestling skills necessary to be a top contender. He has good standup and awesome elbow smashes on the ground, but I don't think it's going to go to the ground. The Crow lost to Rivera, who we just watched get wasted by Leban, so that has made him questionable in my eyes. Of course, The Crow could end it at any time with an elbow to the eyebrow, but I think it's going to have to be a lucky strike.
As for Pierre / Penn, I think Penn is going to be surprised. I think Pierre is going to outstrike him, then take him down and pound him. I think Pierre will defend BJ's subs easily. | |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 10:31:31 AM |
Randleman added the left hook to his aresenal a few years ago. That is his primary weapon. He has used it successfully a couple of times. The two that come to mind are his match against Ninja, and then his match against Crocop. Remember the Crocop one? Feint a double leg take down, geting the guy to drop his hands to go for the double underhooks in the spawl, then stand up and waste him with the left hook - lights out Crocop. I got to give bigtime credit to Coleman for coming up with that one.
I give all the credit to CroCop taking him lightly. That's the fight I always point to when I say 'anything can happen in this sport'. Randleman throws hard, but he's not what I'd call an accomplished striker.
The other weapon Randleman has is his powerslam. Remember him slamming Fedor on his head? Sure, Fedor transitioned it into an armbar and won the match right there, but he's not really human; most people would have been out cold.
I'll give you the big German Suplex. That was absolutely sick. The final proof that Fedor is in fact a robot.
The other weapon Randleman has is knees on the ground. This is the only weapon he has on the ground that I can see, and it only works under Pride rules. He has to get the guy down, then transition to a north-south position, then he has those flying knees to the head, ala Coleman style.
Y'know, I've never seen Randleman employ these with any real success. Point me at some examples?
I think way back when he used to do keylocks too. I'm pretty sure he has those but I don't think it occurs to him in the fights to use them.
He has one win by submission on his record (besides submission by pummelling, of course), and that was ten years ago. He also recently lost via Keylock to Ron friggin' Waterman, so I'm not giving him any points for submission skills.
Coleman, I never liked. He's one of those guys who has an agenda. On commentary, he's always trying to spin things in favor of wrestling. He and Eddie Bravo should have an Unreality Series together, where they ingnore reality in order to put over their respective backgrounds.
Riggs and Diaz is on my list. I'm a total Nick Diaz fanboy since he heeled it up after losing to Diego. Moreso since he had a valid grievance. He won't be strong enough to tap Riggs though, so It'll probably be a standup fight. Should be interesting.
At a guess, I think we'll see both fights. I don't think Buentello/Eilers will last too long.
As for Franklin/Crow, I ain't pickin'. I like both guys, and I think it'll be a close match, and probably a great one too. Who wins? Me. | |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 12:02:42 PM |
Y'know, I've never seen Randleman employ these with any real success. Point me at some examples?
Well, I was sure I saw him win with these once, using the Coleman technique. I was just looking through his record on Sherdog, however, and I don't see any wins listed as being from knees, but his win at Pride 23 vs Yamamoto is just listed at a TKO, so maybe that was it. If it isn't, then I was confusing him with Coleman. I will have to watch my tape.
You know, in Randleman's last 8 fights his record is 2 wins and 6 losses - not great.
I forgot that he had beaten Babalu in UFC 35. I can't remember that fight at all. I'm going to have to watch that one again too.
Riggs and Diaz is going to be great I think. In my mind it is the second main event. I'll be pissed if we don't get to see the whole thing. I haven't decided yet who I am cheering for in that one, I think I just am cheering for a good fight. I like them both.
I'm definitely cheering for Randy this weekend. Time to take the Eyesman down! hehe | |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 8:54:01 PM | | yo people am deano from the england i just started liking UFC i watchd umf2 i was glad rashid evens won but were is he ive been on the website and he aint on it my fav fighter is ROBBIE LAWLER | |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 9:07:41 AM |
kinda outa the loop? did Gracie and Shamrock fight yet?
Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie fought in UFC 1. Ken went for a kneebar and left his neck exposed and was choked out about a minute and a half into the fight. I will always remember the post fight interview, really funny because the interviewer had no idea what was going on.
Interviewer: "So what happpened?"
Ken: "I went for a leg and left my neck exposed and he got the choke"
Interviewer: "So you couldn't breath?"
Ken "umm, ya"
They had a rematch in the Superfight at UFC 5. Ken was very prepared this time and went in a with a strategy not to lose. Went in, took Royce down and was on top for the whole 30 min. He didn't do too much damage because he didn't want to expose an arm to an armbar, sort of afraid to punch. Royce had a wicked forward choke on about half way through and Ken's head went purple, but he broke out of it before passing out. After 30 min they had a little break and had a 5 min overtime. Ken went in and tagged Royce with a nice punch, giving him a wicked mouse under his eye.
The fight was officially a draw, as there were no judges back then. Most people think Ken won because of the damage the punch did, but I think Royce won because he came closest to actually finishing the fight with the forward gi choke from the bottom. Most people never saw it though, because fans at the time still did not understand submission.
That was like a decade ago! You've got a lot of catching up to do!!! :) | |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 10:05:32 AM | | Royce Gracie will be fighting Matt Hughes in May... That should keep you in the loop. I watched the Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie fights, and I have felt Royce won each fight. In UFC 5, Ken punched Gracie one time, and he was never even able to break Gracie's guard, (back then very few people knew what the guard was, so it appeared Gracie was at a disadvantage, when really he was in no real danger), so Ken repeatedly took heel kicks to the sides of his body. That should have been enough to win. I believe they have even banned that kick from the UFC, I haven't seen it in quite a while. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 3:15:00 PM | whoops thanks.............. i was told it was Gracie and Shamrock, anyways, Ithink
Matt will win (don't want him to ) Gracie is just a little too old, iknow i'm gonna hear about this one!!! | |
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Posted: 2/6/2006 9:17:02 AM | So, c'mon lads. Who all saw the show on Saturday? Not their best card ever by any stretch, but not too shabby. They may have lost a HW contender in Mir (he looked pretty outclassed), but with a bit more seasoning they could start building toward Vera v Arlovski.
Plus, Buentello's post fight interview was the funniest thing I've seen in years. | |
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