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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 8:06:30 AM | "Thanks for your reply.. However, I don't really care what you think about America or how we conduct our war effort."
Then why are you in these fora? | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 8:18:19 AM | | Could, not sure, but very well could be to watch you grimace as the masses of informed march past your window, dear Grog. | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 8:20:39 AM | Grog,. Thank you for your concern
Because some posters have things to say I am interested in. Such as links to web sites with information I care about.
Such as Dallas now see I enjoyed that comment | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 8:24:14 AM | maybe xmilitaryman is here because he has a right to speak his mind the same everyone else.
I seems everyone has a right to speak until they disagree with the liberal opinion. And if by some chance a right wing happens to speak out on any subject that person is met with personal attacks and over analization. All of this so there words can be twisted and taken totally out of context. However this is just the humble opinion of another right wing exmilitary man.  out | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 6:30:24 PM | "Could, not sure, but very well could be to watch you grimace as the masses of informed march past your window, dear Grog."
OOPS!! A typo!!
You accidentally wrote "..masses of informed..." when you clearly meant "...MISinformed..." | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 7:13:08 PM | Wow, I'm gone for a few hours and the conversation drifts off into 3rd grade "I know you are but what am I"..
[problem fixed/-moderator]
LOL. Admit it you guys, you need a strong woman like me to steer the conversation back on track. 
Military man- Your opinions ARE valued, and don't mind the bit of frustration in comments in these forums. To be honest, the political atmosphere in Washington is toxic, and it's causing alot of stress to be put on politicians who are spending their hours posturing as opposed to, (wait, what is it they're supposed to do again? lol) oh yeah- SERVE the people! It's hard not to get personally involved when there is so much animosity, and seemingly opposite opinions. At the bottom of this landmine of sh*t- there lies a truism that we can all connect to.
I don't blame people for the frustration towards the war efforts, towards Bush, towards politicians in general- there are so many contradicting ideas and talking points flying back and forth but no actual decisions being made or actions taking place. It's infuriating to see Rumsfeld say that there is no way to measure the success of the war, to have Bush say we must measure it in some type of handpicked figures of his, and to have Murtha present charts that seem to imply that the progress in Iraq is NOT what Bush has chalked it up to be in the last few days- We are being pulled back and forth in a political tug of war days away from an election year, and investing so much time and energy into the happenings of it all is a trial in itself.
[ This is a sad day in America when our senators are calling the American Troops Terrorist. ]
Military man- as a proud veteran, you understand and respect Kerry's commitment to the military and his past service. I think his wording for this statement was TERRIBLE, and a foot in mouth type comment, but I don't think he meant that the troops are in any way terrorists or affiliated with terrorism. I think he intended to imply the Iraqi point of view, that the troops could be considered unwelcome when entering civilian homes- and that is fine. But as soon as he used the word terrorizing I knew it would be jumped on, and that's not fair. It's a terrible slip of the tongue, but not worth crucifying him for.
Okay guys- now don't go thinking I'm pulling a Hilary Clinton and pandering to both sides, but as the days pass although I'm loyal to the democrats I'm sensing more and more that as we focus on the political spectrum, politicians get our attention to sell themselves without having to do any real work. Iraq is a mess. It is a disaster- The reasons for war were severely faulty- we know this! But now that we are stuck in this quicksand, we have to concentrate on a way to get out without causing any further damage. What is at stake in Iraq is not the 'democracy' of the Iraqi people, even with an election I do not believe they will EVER be free- what is at stake is our pride. Can we not admit we were wrong, respectfully bow out and 'be the bigger man' persay? How difficult can it be to compute that pride and arrogance does not hold a candle to the lives of our men and women in uniform?
With our troops stuck in a warzone, we have raised the stakes and put our troops on the line. If there is no determinate for winning as our own secretary of defense says, whos to say when our troops can retreat?
There are just under 200,000 men and women in Iraq that are pledging their lives, no matter what the 'reasons for war' are, and the bad intelligence was. They are putting their lives on the line, even if it is just for the noble cause of understanding they have a duty to do their job- We have an obligation to THEM to get them out of a country that does not want our help any longer. An obligation to remove them from harm's way when there is no need for it.
I don't know if they can win at this point- I don't know how or what would determine a win at this point. Even with the upcoming elections the chance of stability after troops leave the area is very slim. Even now as Murtha said, the troops on the borders do not have the equipment or men to continue to hold those borders. Is it too much to ask for our troops to be sent into battle properly equipped?
All I want to see at this point is a plan. A REAL plan- Not some campaign-like sell of the war written up by a college professor. A real, factual point by point plan, a plan that will minimize the amount of our soldiers that will die in Iraq before we can get them the hell out of there. I don't think that has been presented by ANY side- and I don't think it will be.
I'm a fan of the political back and forth- like anyone else on these forums, it's just getting tiresome to see so many politicians concerned about their soundbites and not about the reality of war.
xo
-bella | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 8:18:41 PM | | i have one word for everybody. haliburton that is all that needs to be said. | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 8:38:00 PM | | And Halliburton frightens for what reason? This is something discussed at length for the past few weeks. Are you infering a no bid contract, like the ones Beelzebubba issued? | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 8:41:17 PM | Dallas- Whatever your nickname for Clinton is; he didn't invade countries to give his Halliburton buddies a good year.
I'm not implying that Clinton had no corporate ties, I just think Bush lets his seams show in a very arrogant and non-apologetic way, and he deserves the backlash.
xo
-bella | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 8:44:19 PM | | Oh, please. You are personal friends of Bush AND bubba? You know what they did and for what reasons? You are worth a mountain of gold if this were only true. | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 8:48:28 PM | .. I could only wish that were true. I would be at 1600 Pennsylvania avenue right now, kicking him in the ass- Use our close personal friendship to inspire some action out of the guy...
xo
-bella | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 8:49:46 PM | I know one thing, fundamentally-
Clinton following his c*ck, is a hell of alot better than Bush following the money trail.
xo
-bella | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 9:05:22 PM | ^^^
[-Clinton following his c*ck, is a hell of alot better than Bush following the money trail-]
you think so!.............its because of clinton's sex-capades that:
1. He spent time in court....instead of serving his nation
2. He let Bin laden gain momentum
3. Debilitated Al "god-father of the internet" Gore, in the 2000 election
4. Allowed the Reps to makes gains throughout!
it is utterly naive to think that one action (or inaction) doesn't affect outcome! | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 9:13:33 PM | 1. Bush spent more vacation time in the first few years of his presidency than Clinton did in court.
2. Bin Laden gained momentum when the CIA funded his training camps in the 80s.
3. Al Gore didn't and still doesn't have the charisma Clinton had, or even Bush (sort of) has.
4. I don't know about this - I don't know if having the odd blowjob really affected the republican gains- It was also something that had been planned for a long time.
xo
-bella | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 9:14:38 PM | OF COURSE inaction creates outcome- I don't think anyone will dispute you on that one.[See: Katrina]
xo
-bella | |
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Le Roi
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 9:46:12 PM |
Actually, his role model was Stalin.
Actually you are inncorect. I read a bio on Saddam and he states that his role model was Hitler | |
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Le Roi
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Joined: 11/19/2005
Msg: 417 | |
| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 9:49:11 PM |
Thanks for your input. I am for the war and support our troops and the more terrorist and/or insurgents that are dead the better.
If it were me, if we needed to drag their asses behind a pickup truck to get information then do it. I am about saving American lives.
If our soldiers feel threaten by someone harboring a terrorist in there house they are lucky we don’t burn the freaking thing down.
However, Kerry being an American you don’t say that about the troops. You are an American first not a liberal.
This kind of Guy I would not want protecting my back. You guys can call him a hero. I will just call him a trader
Hooyah!!
(a Canadian Soldier) | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 10:08:02 PM | @ le rio: BAKA! Who said WE were terrorists? WE are not our forefathers as you said. But this nation WAS,key word, WAS founded using terrorst like practices. It doesn't make them right but it is part of our history.
We learned from our mistakes but it wasn't until we won the west and had no more resistance within the boarders of our nation.
Our ancestors, the original colonists, burned, raped, destroyed, invaded, killed, ect... the native americans quite viciously and took their land. Those people were terrorists and if it wasn't for them America as we know it wouldn't exist. Hell the american revolution was one big terrorist movement that we won.
History is written by the victor.
This doesn't make it right, and I am not condoning it, but it does mean that we CAN say to these terrorists "Hey, we've been there, it's not the way." | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 10:08:11 PM | "Clinton following his c*ck, is a hell of alot better than Bush following the money trail..."
True. At least Clinton didn't screw the WHOLE COUNTRY. | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/7/2005 10:34:17 PM |
Actually you are inncorect. I read a bio on Saddam and he states that his role model was Hitler
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saddam/etc/script.html
NARRATOR: With CIA help, the Iraqi Ba'ath Party seized power in 1963. General Kassem was killed in the coup. The CIA provided lists of suspected communists for Ba'ath Party hit squads, who liquidated at least 800 people. Saddam Hussein rushed home to join in as a interrogator, torturer and killer.
JAMES AKINS: We were very happy. They got rid of a lot of communists. A lot of them were executed or shot. This was a great development.
SAID K. ABURISH: The head of the Ba'ath party started referring to Saddam after he got to know him as Gabadii´, "My tough guy." And he helped to promote Saddam's cause in the party because he thought what the party needed to move forward was a tough guy.
NARRATOR: Saddam moved fast. He made himself indispensable to the party leader, Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, a distant uncle. After Bakr became president in 1968, he made his 31-year-old protege vice president. A rising star in a rabidly anti-communist party, Saddam once led some visitors into his private library. They were shocked to see shelf after shelf devoted to Saddam's role model, Joseph Stalin.
Dr. MAHKMOUD OTHMAN, Kurdish Negotiator: When we went in, actually, and we saw those books, I was amazed, you see. And I asked him, "Are you a communist, reading all those books, and so on?" Well, he say "No, but even Stalin, was he a real communist?"
SAID K. ABURISH: Everything Saddam did had Stalinist overtones. Stalin is his hero. Saddam Hussein models himself after Stalin more than any other man in history, consciously and very, very deliberately. He admires the man.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iraq/saddam.htm
The Baath (renaissance) Party, which Muslim Salah Bitar and Christian Michel Aflaq originally established, became a vehicle for Hussein. He became an enforcer for the party, and like Joseph Stalin, who fascinated Hussein, he left the intellectuals behind and climbed the ladder of Iraq politics, using a combination of intimidation, fear, nepotism, and outright murder.
http://www.moreorless.au.com/killers/hussein.html
1962 - He studies at the Cairo Law School and consolidates links with members of the Iraqi Baath Party in exile, becoming their leader. He also becomes interested in the life and theories of the Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin. Later he boasts that he will turn Iraq into a Stalinist state.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31319
"Hussein, known for his admiration of the former Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, and for his ongoing study of the Soviet Union during World War II, believes he will be able to gain critical time through a series of planned retreats, yielding a number of urban centers along Iraq's green belt on the banks of the Tigris river and its tributaries," says the G2 Bulletin report.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-12-16-saddam-psyche_x.htm
The Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, after whom Saddam modeled himself, also had an abusive childhood, joined a conspiratorial and violent party and developed a raging paranoia that led him to cause the deaths of millions of his own people. Like Stalin, Post says, Saddam is a "malevolent narcissist compensating for a very wounded self."
http://baltimorechronicle.com/saddam_feb02.shtml
As a student of Joseph Stalin, Saddam has constructed an elaborate and massive police state apparatus with as many as 100,000 agents and paramilitary troops which effectively atomize all possibility of political opposition through fear.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/backgrounder/iraqcrisis/pages/s_bark.html
He is reputed to be a voracious reader. He has publicly expressed his admiration for Ernest Hemingway; former intimates have claimed he has numerous biographies of Joseph Stalin and of Winston Churchill.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ED05Ak08.html
It is no secret that practically everybody in every neighborhood of Baghdad is armed, at least with Kalashnikovs and hand grenades. Saddam is firmly thinking of his icon Joseph Stalin.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/09/60II/main548588.shtml
That sounds like something Joseph Stalin might have done, and indeed, during Saddam’s rise to power, this Soviet dictator was his role model.
http://www.cbc.ca/cgi-bin/newsworld/viewer.cgi?FILE=NL20030321.html&TEMPLATE=newsreal_archive.ssi&SC=NL
Saddam Hussein comes from humble roots. He is said to be a peasant kid from a small Iraqi village that rose to hold enormous power through use of force, intimidation and violence. He considers Josef Stalin a role model.
http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=20030325-094527-2603r
Just as Saddam's role model -- Joseph Stalin -- appealed to Russian patriotism and Greek Orthodox piety after the German invasion in 1941, the Iraqi strongman's televised speeches have been full of Iraqi nationalism and Islamic enthusiasm.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0333782003/104-2219852-8275963?v=glance&n=283155
Eventually, Saddam, a hard worker fascinated by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin, eliminated his own comrades and even family members. The book shows the downward way of Saddam and his family which ultimately led to their political isolation, the destruction of Iraq and finally hi own deposition.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/030512/12psych.htm
Saddam Hussein meticulously replicated the totalitarian techniques of terror first practiced on a massive scale by his idol Joseph Stalin.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/11/30/130012.shtml
Saddam's role model has long been Soviet leader Joseph Stalin whose methods and techniques he emulated to cower three disparate pieces of Iraq into blind compliance.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4498548/site/newsweek/
It is one of the last truly totalitarian states, in the tradition of Germany under Adolf Hitler or the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin, whom Saddam is said to admire greatly.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saddam/interviews/aburish.html
Do we know whether or not Saddam has actually studied Stalin's tactics?
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Saddam studied Stalin. Stalin is his hero. Stalin came from a humble background. Stalin was brought up by his mother. Stalin used thugs. Stalin used the security service. Stalin hated his army. And so does Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein models himself after Stalin more than any other man in history.
He has a full library of books about Stalin. He reads about him, and when he was a young man -- even before he attained any measure of power -- he used to wander around the offices of the Ba'ath Party telling people "Wait until I take over this country. I will make a Stalinist state out of it yet." People used to laugh him off. They shouldn't have. It was a very serious proposition indeed.
Peace | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/8/2005 12:59:19 AM | I think that if the united states is going to regain a portion of its international honor and acceptance. then this war should be brought to a swift close, reparations paid and the parties responsible for the entire fiasco brought before some internationally recognized judicial body like the Hague...
I say this as a decorated veteran who loves this country with all my heart... | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/8/2005 5:21:31 AM | Remember 9/11? Obviously you don't. And just where do you think Canada would be if we did not have the U.S. as an allie
I have zero tolerance for your type!!!!
The line has been drawn......and it is obvious that you are a terrorist supporter.
Do you remember 9/11? Where was the PRESIDENT when America was under attack?!!?!? Oh yeah he was in a classroom in Florida reading to a bunch of children...with no clue of what the hell to do about it.
So by your logic...Reagan and H.W Bush were terrorist supporters in the 80s..because they supported Saddam in his war against Iran(with full knowledge that he was using WMDs and of the mass graves torture rape rooms--etc)
I have no tolerance for your type--full of hatred and stupidity | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/8/2005 7:39:04 AM | "So by your logic...Reagan and H.W Bush were terrorist supporters in the 80s..because they supported Saddam in his war against Iran(with full knowledge that he was using WMDs and of the mass graves torture rape rooms--etc)"
Excellent point!
But...prepare to be Bush-whacked!! | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 12/8/2005 4:43:13 PM | Bella,
These circular arguments are losing strength. You say misinformation and lies told by George Bush. However, I can give several democrats from 1997 to present using the same intelligence that George Bush had standing for the same arguments that Bush used to remove a tyrant or mad man from power. This had to be done before he sold some dangerous weapon of mass destruction to a violent terrorist who was hell bent on destroying americans.
Most senators who spoke on the war including Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, John Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and others said the same exact thing that Bush said.
However, since the others are democrats they are not held accountable for their actions.
Today Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton at least still stick by their comments made prior to the war. Joe Lieberman whom has actually been to Iraq says we are making great progress the kind you may have to go there to see. However, most of the Bush critics have not done that.
Since you are a democrat, and a Ex-Campaign supporter for John Kerry. I tend to question your sources of verification of George Bush purposely lying to the American people.
On several reports by CIA and War in Iraq senate investigation found that the Data gather by FBI and CIA was flawed. This was of course was after the fact. Since you can not expect the president to be able to detect those inconsistencies that were made public after the war begin since all others mention above were using the same information.
However, when this was not enough for the democrats and they were being caught in their on lies. The democrats change their game plan to say oh The President had different information than we did. Of course another hollow claim by democrats and accusation without any factual substance to back it up.
So if you can find me and independent report not (BBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, New York Times or any other liberal biased news media) Also no Conservative new media either. See if you can find truly independent source, such as one of the subcommittees investigating the Iraq war and 911. That says Bush intentional lied before going to war.
No one in their right mind should accept a liberal source that is created just to bash the president. I am sure you have many of these bookmarked.
Please make your source a independent not Bush bashing web sites.
Not to quote a cliché “Hind Sight is 20/20”
As I have stated in my circular arguments that it is better safe than sorry. “What if a Chemical Weapon would have gone off in New York City? All the liberals would be blaming Bush for not doing enough. to defend against the attack. | |
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