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longte
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Joined: 10/18/2004
Msg: 1226 | |
| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/6/2006 8:37:30 AM | One of the worst things about this war is the wounded
In 'Nam if you were hit in the guts you would probably die, any major arterial blood loss or bad burns also meant the same thing, in the majority of cases
In this war, kids who are really badly wounded, are being kept alive, simply because modern field treatment, has improved so dramatically
Reports are indicating over 90% sucess rate with wounded
When you consider the fact that wounded are at least two to one in comparison to killed outright, that means that roughly 4000+ troops have now been wounded badly
Many of these will have injuries that will incapacitate them forever
On my last trip to the USA I noticed that injury lists were not easily available
I wonder why not??
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| For the war against Terror
Posted: 1/6/2006 10:21:11 AM | | I would add to your question, longte, why isn't there a report (more easily available) on those who were injured that have since returned to battle? | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/6/2006 10:54:47 AM |
Today, Canada, and NATO, chose to not follow the US and UK into Iraq, even though allies, because it isn't believed to be a defensive war.
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/6/2006 11:45:59 AM |
The UN should have been moved out of the States years ago, given the hostile climate there. It should go to some neutral island somewhere that some government is willing to completely relinquish their rights over. Good luck finding one of those. I recall an actual war fought not too long ago over a piece of rock and a few penguins. | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/9/2006 12:25:47 AM | Yes, Linguatic, I did an about face on that one in my post #1159. And hey get this; Canada was having a diplomatic spate with, of all places, Denmark, last year over a half kilometre sized rock in the northern straights between Canada proper and Greenland called Hans Island - complete with warships and teams of soldiers planting competing flags! Seems that it was one of those places overlooked in our original treaties and is now in contention because of its growing importance in the scenario of the opening up of the fabled North West Passage, which if global warming continues at its present rate, may for the first time become a reality in about ten years from now. Not even any damn penguins on the place.
And Longte, all my reading indicates that the ratio between those killed outright and those seriously wounded or injured is about 10:1, ie: approximately 20,000 young Americans now are paying the price for this foreign policy debacle. I am not the least bit surprised that the pentagon is doing its best to hide and suppress the real figures, just like they did during the Vietnam war. About two years ago they took to repatriating their seriously wounded cases from Ramstein into Dover AFB, Maryland AT THREE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING - cuts down on the number of reporters with long-range lenses taking photos the Army does not want to see on the front pages of tomorrow's papers. That's how they operate. Also lately there are reports in U.S. papers such as the L.A. Times that the pentagon is paying certain Iraqi papers to print "U.S. Army friendly stories". No surprise there, in the land of Freedom of Speech and all. | |
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longte
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Joined: 10/18/2004
Msg: 1233 | |
| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/9/2006 1:40:27 AM | ^^
We have to be a little bit careful on the proportional estimates simply because of categories
That is why I estimated so low
Some people include things like sunstroke/heat exhaustion/insect bites/non-military accident in their estimates
While these are valid injuries, they may have occured during peace time
I hope the true ratio is nowhere near as high as you have found
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/11/2006 11:13:32 PM | Well, I am sorry to say that that figure is the one commonly bandied about by statisticians when they are talking about serious, recordable or debilitating wounds and injuries suffered in combat or as a direct result of enemy action. These would typically range from a superficial flesh wound all the way up to death, but most certainly not non-combat injuries like sunstroke, bug bites, etc. They may include serious illness related to enemy action such as "Gulf War Syndrome" which was suspected to be induced by clandestine Iraqi bug warfare (or just plain bad batches of innoculant given to soldiers when they arrived - the Army's not talkin'). Those figures have been compiled over many years by many countries and they generally agree that the ratio is in the region of ten to one. Not great.
- By the way, in Afghanistan, the Russians actively tried to increase the ratio! They took to dropping, literally, thousands upon thousands of nifty little items called "toe blasters" on known Freedom Fighter pathways in the mountains (notice we don't call them that anymore?). The idea was to blow half a guys foot off, immobilising him, and frequently killing him by infection later, so that at least four of his mates had to carry him to safety and treatment. Very effective, and diabolical. Lots of kids were killed picking the bloody things up and playing with them. | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 1:19:05 PM |
essaress may I ask why?
Have you done anything to help anyone on either side?
Not try'n to be rude but I find it hard how people can be against a War that they don't fight in? I think you should back all of America's Sons and daughters just because life over there is so hard on them in the 1st place why make it harder on them? They believe they are over to protect YOU! Back them so they can come home to there Moms, Dads, kids heck Dogs and cats....as long as they come home safe.
Take it easy.......WF
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 1:28:44 PM | wingedfeet
You are failing to see the difference between supporting a war, and supporting our troops. They are two entirely different concepts. I am completely consistent when I state that I disagree strongly with the war, but I wish our troops the safest and quickest return home possible.
Secondly, you said "how people can be against a War that they don't fight in?" I think you put the cart before the horse here.
The war was started based on certain reasons (political, social, religious, economic, etc...take your pick), people who disagree with those reasons disagree with the war. In fact we disagreed with the war, before it actually began. Thus it would make us hypocrits to fight in a war that we never supported entering in the first place. | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 2:22:36 PM | | Actually it's not a war it was an invasion to remove Saddam from power. The US never declared war on Iraq. | |
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longte
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Joined: 10/18/2004
Msg: 1239 | |
| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 2:27:55 PM | So a play on words, to say that it is not a war, will stop kids dying??
For over twenty years, I was not a war veteran
Just part of a "Police Action in Vietnam"
It took a long time for that to be called a WAR too
But kids still died
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 2:47:11 PM | "Have you done anything to help anyone on either side? "
WTF???? Are you even an American Citizen??? I read you profile, it says you are Canadain,,....are you??
LOOk pal,...you ask me a question like the one above and there is no other way to take that Except RUDE!!!
I am a decorated veteran bud, I volunteered for the Military before you were born ...so stow it Junior...you got no business saying crap like that...I served My Country, I love My Country, and it is mine not Yours...and I Paid with my service to garauntee the right of EVERY AMERICAN to Speak their piece of mind in Freedom and Equality... You dont like my saying I am against an illegal war ,,,tough...but Never try to take that and turn it into I dont support nmy brothers and sisters in Arms.
You want to be aRepublican?? Fine but come here legally , become a citizen . and then join the party..till then ....go kick rocks... | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 3:00:39 PM | You dont like my saying I am against an illegal war"
essaress....since the Iraq war has not been declared illegal by any court what qualifications do you have to legitimately claim it is illegal? | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 3:09:08 PM | Not try'n to be rude but I find it hard how people can be against a War that they don't fight in?
I can't be against something I believe is wrong, and against international laws...unless I'm doing it?
Back them so they can come home to there Moms, Dads, kids heck Dogs and cats....
Where would they be, if they weren't there, in the first place...or, left now?
since the Iraq war has not been declared illegal by any court what qualifications do you have to legitimately claim it is illegal?
This has been done, already. There's a difference between illegal, prosectuted, and convicted.
Those arguments don't seem to fly.
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 3:21:31 PM | This has been done, already. There's a difference between illegal, prosectuted, and convicted.
can you please give me the link where the US has been prosecuted and convicted of conducting an illegal war...and please remember everyone (the US and Bush included) is innocent until PROVEN guilty.... | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 3:22:12 PM |
since the Iraq war has not been declared illegal by any court what qualifications do you have to legitimately claim it is illegal?
This has been done, already. There's a difference between illegal, prosectuted, and convicted.
Those arguments don't seem to fly.
already done? BY WHOM?
Nothing illegal about what happened. | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 3:34:01 PM | "Actually it's not a war it was an invasion to remove Saddam from power. The US never declared war on Iraq"
This is TOO FUNNY!!!! But also gratifying in a way;
After all this time, we finally have admission that the nonsense in Iraq is NOT a war!!!
Couple this with all the other recent flip-flops..(sorry!! "Reassessments") that the Bush apologists are bestowing upon us (It was about oil. No it wasn't! It was to remove Saddam! No it wasn't ! Saddam was linked to 9/11. No he wasn't!! etc. etc....)and it becomes more and more obvious that they were in the wrong from the very start.
The furious back-pedalling is truly wond'rous to behold!! | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 3:34:38 PM |
already done? BY WHOM?
Nothing illegal about what happened.
The US constitution makes international treaties, "the law of the land". Invading Iraq is against the UN charter.
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 3:39:19 PM | The US seems to have killed a lot of people, chasing after innocent people then.
can you give me the numbers of the deaths caused by the insurgents and by the US...if your going to make these claims it would be nice if you could show something to substantiate your claims...
Btw...you still havn't proved your first claim about the war being deemed illegal | |
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 3:45:31 PM | I was refering to invading countries, to take out guys that weren't convicted, and found guilty, in any court yet.
The insurgents, came after.
Again, last time, there's a difference between illegal and convicted. Read the Constitution, read the Charter. If you don't find a conflict with both international and constitutional laws, then that's your opinion.
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| Are you against the War?
Posted: 1/12/2006 4:16:35 PM | Soo this really isnt about whether or not a person is or is not for or against something....Is that right??
This thread is cleverly titled "Are You Against The War" ,...but you thread hijackers have changed the thread to "Provide Proof Of What You Think Or Shut the $%^k Up"...is that about right???
Sheesh you people make my skin crawl...you either are afraid to show your face ,and or are too young to really know what you are talking about with any "real"authority...
I have answered the question asked ...I went further and gave my opinion Only after some misanthrope (means dont like people) casually inquired if I was some sort of enemy sympathizer...
Cheap tricks and clever linguistic arguments mean nothing...zero...they are the hallmarks of a person unsure of themselves, their morality , their sexuality, their Patriotism, and damn near everything else that makes an Adult...thus they find themselves attempting to start arguments with other people who actually have the chops... Ive been there sonny, Ive done that sonny,...I no longer have any need to to Prove what I say about anything...you dont like that??? Too bad...
Am I Against The War????? ............. YES! | |
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The US seems to have killed a lot of people, chasing after innocent people then. 