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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/10/2005 5:07:22 PM | poorgie...you say that the money is going to the wrong places??? I guess your brilliant solution to the problem would be what? perhaps euthanize all of these animals? So let's add this number from Katrina to the yearly number that America euthanizes, which is over 5 MILLION ANIMALS...PER YEAR. What would it matter, right? They're only animals  | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/10/2005 5:28:34 PM | | You hit the nail on the head there, they are only animals. I just think that $500 per animal just to unite them to their owner is a bit much when that money can be spent to feed and house them or even feed the owners. It seems like the shelters are taking advantage of the situation to some extent. Yes they should go to the right owners but it takes time to do that just like anything else. Plus there is a web site with pets id on them so all people would have to do is go to that web site and most of them would be found. | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/10/2005 5:28:41 PM | | let me put it this way, I paid $20,000 for a horse that I completely fell in love with, would I do that for anyone else? nope. My horses and my old dog(I had to put her to sleep a year ago) are the best things to ever come into my life. I can trust them 100% and love them to death without having to worry about them not loving me back. | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/11/2005 4:41:30 AM | Pets are living and breathing creatures. They have feelings, emotions, and can feel pain. They all have unique personalities.
Their lives should be respected just as much as any other lifeform on this planet. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2005 3:37:28 PM | | Sure pets should be respected. I am giving a reply to the question... are they as important as a human being and should they be able to go into a store and buy their own pet supplies? | |
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Posted: 12/11/2005 3:56:37 PM | Pets love you unconditionally.
They don't care if you gain weight, are losing your hair, etc. They just love you and are happy to see you always. You are their world and the centre of their universe.
They give so much for just a bit of food, water and love in return. They don't ask for much.
This cannot always be said about the human species............ | |
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Posted: 12/11/2005 6:28:52 PM |
...and should they be able to go into a store and buy their own pet supplies?
This portion of your comment is ridiculous. What does it even have to do with the question?
As you well know, domesticated animals are dependent upon their owners for their care. If they are not domesticated, they feed themselves and don't 'go into a store' to do anything. And here I was thinking you just hated animals. Now it appears you also need to argue over silly nonsensical things. Such a shame. I was watching your comments thinking you were just misguided in your thinking regarding animals.  | |
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Posted: 12/11/2005 7:56:59 PM | | Oh my, I never hated any animal... even the ones that bit me for being overprotective or as a paperboy. Please show me where I wrote that. I just know where to draw the line, if I had the option to save a person or a pet I would save the person first then try to save the pet second or at the same time. If money were to go to the humane society instead of helping tragedy survivors... I would give it to the human survivors who need it more. That way they have the option to hire a detective or feed themselves. I would not give an extra 500 dollars for each pet reuinited to the humane society just for playing detective and doing what they are supposed to be doing. That job is taken by the pet detectives, so if an owner wants to find an animal they should pay a pet detective instead of the humane society. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2005 8:56:32 PM | Poorgie, there are very serious problems in the world that deserve our attention, and cruelty to animals is one of them. We should try to alleviate suffering wherever we can. Helping animals is no more or less important than helping human beings—they are both important. Animal suffering and human suffering are connected. FYI you are the farthest thing from Joaquin Pheonix (profile)! Aside from the OBVIOUS, he is a caring and compassionate person and avid animal activist.  | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/11/2005 10:12:16 PM | Hold those horses of yours ROFL!!!! First off I never said I hated animals. They are gifts we should all take care of and hold onto as long as we can. I have a few myself and they are treated very well. Now here is where I am lost.
Helping animals is no more or less important than helping human beings—they are both important.
Now let me give you an example which will make your reply seem a little rash and silly. Picture a house on fire. Will the fire department look for the pets first or the people who want the fire department to look for them first? So most will say people right? That is what I agree on as well. My next question is this. Don't you think it is a bit much for the New Orleans Animal shelters to recieve $500 per animal just because they found the pets owner? Seems like overspending to me since many families are looking for relatives who are still missing.... by relatives I mean other then pets.
Secondly I never said I act like Joaqion Pheonix, I was told I look like him. Feel free to look at it again. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2005 10:12:29 PM | Quote
I think I was more devastated by the death of my dog than by the death of any person I've known.
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I nursed my beloved dog Siboo [a huskey/ rott mix] from when he got sick from a injection of proheart 6 that he recieved from the vet[that they recently took off the market because of dog deaths]for 6 months until he died,I had to force feed him blended food in a large syring the last 3 months of his life,always with the hope he would get better and beat this.
He was my shadow ,I would walk through my house and would stop and he would bump into me ,we were very close
I personally dont think we should put a dog down when he is not well and because it becomes inconvieniant for us.
If he was going to die it would be up to God when.
As humans we dont put each other down when we are ill,we shouldnt be so willing to do this to a animal .
Their life is just as valuble to them as ours is to us.
Although I once had a friend that wanted to put her dog down because she had breast cancer and she wanted me to go with her for support,I studied and interacted with the dog and saw she had much joy for life and delayed it for about a year until it got so large that I felt it was time ,so we took her down to the vet and you could tell be the way she died she was not ready to go.
I still have guilt about that and hope I did the right thing .
Part of the reason i decided to do it other than the fact the tumor was very large and it must be painful ,was she would slept in the bed of the owner and sometimes her cancer would break open and get all over her bed ,so for sanitary reasons I needed to consider the health of the owner as well.
Anyway its very difficult to play God and decided the how and when to take another life .
Now in the case of my Dog Siboo just before he died he was up on the bed with me and my girl friend snuggling and watching the movie the Gladiator.
Right after the after death ending snene in the movie he went and layed down in the hallway and went into convulsions and died.
Reponding to the quote above
I cant say my dog dying was harder than all of the people ive i known that have died it my life ,but it was with some of them .
For instance when my grandmother died ,she lived 89 years and was very ready to go,so as much as I miss her,it easier when someone lives a full live compared to taken suddenly or from a long drawnout illness were you see them die a little bit more everyday infront of your eyes.
Anyway I didnt mean for this to turn this into so much a downer but this story actually has a happy ending .
I know some of you will think im wierd for saying this but
My dog Siboo was reincarnated and is with me now I believe .
Its a long story that involves a dream of when and kinda where I would find Siboo in the form of another dog.
On this day me and my family were hiking in the woods and this dog started following me.
The dream said one year and I though 2 weeks,but it was one year and two days that this dog followed me .
I brought the dog back to were he followed me from were there were some houses ,I didnt want to take someone elses dog and I figured if this is destiny then he wouldnt belong to anyone .
The people I question said this was a throw away dog by someone and he is eating out of garbage cans ,you can take him.
I took him home and named him Ranger because we found him near a Rangers station .
This was a true miracle in my life. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2005 10:31:26 PM | Oh yeah one more thing i wanted to mention
Being my spectical self I was not 100 percent sure that this labrador was my old dog Siboo,But from watching him i see very uneek behavior that I had only previously seen in Siboo like
The same whine
When he poops he likes to poop on a tree or the center of a bush.
Does these facial expressions just like Siboo.
A big silly clown
High maintenance ,need attention all the time.
The only personality attribute that is different is Siboo would eat anything and Ranger is a picky eater.
It is a belief that significant relationships [souls] that are in your life ,will likely repeat or will reappear in your other lives ,in this case it would be twice in my life. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2005 10:41:37 PM | In regards to the above about euthanasia:
I worked for a vet clinic for a couple of years before I settled in my current occupations, and have seen a lot of euthanasias. Sometimes euthanasia is actually the most humane thing to do. It's never easy, that's for sure. I'll give a couple of examples.
Pongo was actually my bird. He was a Blue and Gold Macaw that I'd rescued. When I got him, especially since he was a rescue, was take him to an avian specialist to get him completely checked out. What the vet found was that his kidneys and liver were bad from the former abuse he'd suffered from. He gave Pongo about a year to live. So I set about making Pongo as happy and comfortable as possible. He lived 5 years. At about 5 years, I was changing jobs and now working for the Sheriffs Dept. Pongo started self cannibalizing (yes, you read that right... he was eating himself). I labored for a good 3 months and spent a lot of money trying to make him better. But finally I realized, Pongo was gone. His body was still functioning, but Pongo himself was already gone. He'd snapped. Gone crazy. He had no balance, was refusing food, and was slowly wasting away very painfully. So I made the decision to euthanize. It wasn't easy, but I believe it was the right thing to do.
At the vet clinic a woman came in one day with a small dog. The dog was 26 years old, blind, unable to walk, and incontinent (no control over his bowels). For sanitary reasons she kept the dog outside (stupid IMO). When she brought the dog in to be put down, the flies had gotten to him and maggots were crawling around underneath his skin. Literally eating him alive. Euthanasia was the only thing we could do for the poor animal. He was going to die anyway.. at least our way was quicker and less painful.
It should definitely always be weighed very seriously with other options. But don't use absolutes in this case. | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/11/2005 11:08:07 PM | They are as important as kids.
Personally, if she can't handle my little KiKi monster, she's tossed to the curb. | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/11/2005 11:28:35 PM | pets are NOT as important as people are .
heres why
pets are like personal property.you pick which one you want and decide their fate at anytime while you own them.
i believe if the people who treat there pets really well would give the same effort at treating people really well they would reap the reward of a lifetime.which is love and friendship. | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/11/2005 11:35:34 PM | ^^^^ Pets are not personal property. Pets have their own personallity, and are at least partialy aware of their own existance, making them sentient.
Pets have moods, feelings. They need care and attention. Anyone who treats their pet like their car or their golf clubs is simply souless.
How can you not look into a dogs eyes and see when there happy / sad / ashamed? You CAN see that, which means they feel.
If they feel and you treat them like objects and dont care, how do you handle women?
Oh, just to head this one off, when pets go nuts, we kill them or lock them up. When people go nuts, we kill them or lock them up.
When pets get sick they go to a doctor, same with people. How do you treat your pet any different than you would treat an autistic child? | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/12/2005 12:11:13 AM | BarnBabe, I agree that sometimes it is most humane to put an animal gently to sleep rather than put it through a painful death. You're the expert here...do they go gently to sleep as I've been told or is this just a lie?
A few months after we got our Pug, my daughter found a cat crying in the rain near our house. It was soaked to the bone, shivering from fright and the cold, extremely dirty, and starving. My daughter brought it inside and tried to feed it and warm it up by giving it a bath and putting it in front of a space heater. When I came home from work, we spent time with it and noticed there were some strange things going on. It didn't respond when called, nor did it appear to see where it was going. In fact, it never blinked. The poor thing had teeth and claws missing and its backbone was clearly visible under its fur. We wondered how in the world it had survived and how long it had been outdoors.
The next afternoon, I took the cat to the vet and he looked it over. He confirmed what we had thought; the cat was blind and deaf. It was obvious that it had been deprived of food for some time. He told me that it was female, and she had lumps all inside her body. He suspected the lumps were cancerous. By his estimate, the poor thing was old, which helped explain the missing teeth and claws. I wanted to know what could be done to help her and he felt it would be a kindness to put her to sleep, due to her age and the major problems (lumps, blind, deaf) she had. I felt terrible making such a decision, but knew I couldn't afford to pay for the care he was suggesting and I knew I was in no position to have an animal with major health issues in my house. He assured me he would give the cat a shot and she would just go to sleep. He offered to have one of his staff stay with her until she was gone. I was so sad, even though I had no emotional ties to this cat, but felt better knowing that her last night was comfortable thanks to my daughter's loving care. At least she'd been taken out of the rain, cleaned, fed, and had slept on a comfortable bed. I know she was suffering before my daughter found her, so I have to believe going to sleep was a kinder alternative. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 12:26:25 AM | I had a horse for 20 years, and I loved that horse...as much or more than I had ever loved any person or animal. Anybody who has ever had a bond with an animal knows that there is a trust there that cannot be duplicated...it is more of a parent/child type of bond than a man/woman (or whatever somebody's choice is) bond. That horse completely and totally trusted me and I completely trusted her. I rode her home late at night many times when I couldn't see two feet in front of me, and she was always careful to take care of me, and in return I always saw that she was cared for in spades. Last year, I called my vet out because she didn't seem to be eating well. I looked in her mouth, and couldn't see a problem and so thought that it was probably just that she needed her teeth floated (a "filing" procedure often required by elderly horses as their back teeth become sharp and it becomes painful for them to eat). Because I believe that this was all that it was, I made the appointment for 1 week later. By the time the vet came out and opened her mouth to look, Harmony had huge cancerous melanomas that completely covered the inside of her mouth...it was probable that she had them internally before they ever showed up orally. In less than a week, I made the decision to take her to Washington State University where they were performing cancer treatment research. She barely made it there and when she did they did "humanely" euthanize her (I was with her and she went very quietly and very very quickly). I would hope that if I reached a point such as this in my life, that somebody would do for me what I was able to do for my horse, which was to end her life with as much dignity as possible, and with as little pain as possible...
I loved that horse - she was part of me...when she went, some of me went with her. This death was no less significant or less painful than the death of my husband 9 years ago. I would say that some people do not have the draw toward animals that others do, and that is okay...but don't discount that they are and always will be not only loving, trusting companions and friends but also can be quite therapeutic in many ways to "some" very lucky people | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/12/2005 12:41:17 AM | Pets = unconditional love ...who could ask for more
We could live without them ... but it is so much better with them.
People = conditional love ... can't live without them very easily, but can be enjoyable in the right curcumstances.
I say there is an equality in a one balances the other sort of way.
I could not imagine life without my pets. | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/12/2005 2:15:06 AM |
I just think that $500 per animal just to unite them to their owner is a bit much when that money can be spent to feed and house them or even feed the owners. It seems like the shelters are taking advantage of the situation to some extent.
$500 is pretty expensive. Around here it's about $150. But it isn't like an animal shelter is there to make money, and it costs quite a bit of money to run a place like that. I went to the SPCA here last year to start a little fundraiser of my own. I found out it costs over $300,000 a year to operate this particular shelter (which was not at all big), and only about $10,000 of that is donated by the provincial and federal governments (combined!). So that leaves... a hell of a lot of money left to raise somehow... They told me they make most of it doing fundraising events, and the rest comes from fees and those little donation boxes.
But the whole idea is to help those who can't help themselves. Animals don't choose to be in shelters; they are there because people are negligent. | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/12/2005 6:47:25 AM | Look at my profile, what do you think?? That monkey is now also up for being rated. So everyone be nice and give him all 10s | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/12/2005 6:47:56 AM |
You'll find that anyone that treats their pets well and in a humane and loving manner, usually do treat their friends, family, and other people just as well.
Well spoken!
This is exactly why I won't date guys who have no pets, no humans, and/or no plants to care for. | |
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