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Posted: 12/12/2005 7:29:01 PM | il mostro-
What a sick and twisted thought. Ok the suspence is killing me. Why is the thought of humans taking care of animals a sick and twisted thought?
After all, what other hope do animals and pets alike have since humans are at the top of the food chain. Animals may benefit man by serving as food. This is a fact. Evidently, this concession was for man's good, although originally did not include meat as part of the human diet. Many pets have helped starving men in the middle of nowhere when needed such as horses. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 8:13:34 PM | | Aha...it is also a well known fact that some humans have benefitted animals by serving as food. This is a fact. This concession was for animal's good. Many a man has helped a starving animal in the middle of nowhere when needed, such as hunters and idiots. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 8:44:31 PM | Ms. Picky - was LMAOing at the spell dog backwards remark 
I'm glad to see all the passion for animals in this thread. As for the bible talk, well, that's another story I am spiritual, and I believe that God would want people to treat every living creature with respect. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 8:55:12 PM | As for the bible talk, well, that's another story I am spiritual, and I believe that God would want people to treat every living creature with respect.
Dogmommy I think you may have missed my point here... Since many people are eating animals then I am guessing we are doing something extremely wrong here. After all aren't animals that are considered pets by some eaten in other lands since they are plentiful? | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 8:57:15 PM | poorgie,
We're not in other lands though. We live in a civilized world.
Aren't people eaten in other lands too? Does that make it ok in our world? no. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 9:01:46 PM | | Yes...is true...and speaking of this, we can also add they aren't just being eaten. I watched video on CNN last night showing cats being hung by a rope so no damage is done to their pelt. I would agree strongly with you on what you said "we are doing something extremely wrong here"...but it's not that we aren't eating cats and dogs...I look at the way the world is every day, and I can come up with a million things terribly wrong with the human race. | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 9:02:13 PM |
Aren't people eaten in other lands too? Does that make it ok in our world? no.
My last post said exactly that, only in much more confusing terms | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/12/2005 10:08:59 PM | For Ken159:
You wrote:
I personally dont think we should put a dog down when he is not well and because it becomes inconvieniant for us.
If he was going to die it would be up to God when.
THIS is wrong, I have put pets down before.. when I see people who have dogs with hip displasia so bad they are dragging their back ends I want to beat the hell out of them. That is pure selfish. They are not giving them drugs to relieve the pain.. they do not care that when it is damp the poor dog hurts worst. They think that it is cruel to put them down, I say it is cruel to let them live a life in PAIN!!!
I have never had my animal just put down, I spend the night before (or more) with them.. giving them as much love as I possible can, I say good bye to them. I'm with them when the vet is there... I'm crying my friggin eyes out but I"m holding onto that animal and I'm telling them how much I love them while I'm kissing them and petting them. They do not suffer, but instead have me there still loving them and knowing Ilove them and then they go to sleep. OK... gotta go stop crying now... | |
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Posted: 12/12/2005 10:15:08 PM | | I was sitting on my deck this weekend, all my cats and dogs are up there with me. They are all taking naps and are all around me. They are so content... the "aura" is so relaxing I just couldn't help having this big smile on my face and feeling like I was floating. That is happy, to know your pets are happy and content... and therefore you are just as content. Yes I have a LARGE DECK... lol... | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/13/2005 3:59:06 PM | Quote
I personally dont think we should put a dog down when he is not well and because it becomes inconvieniant for us.
If he was going to die it would be up to God when.
THIS is wrong, I have put pets down before.. when I see people who have dogs with hip displasia so bad they are dragging their back ends I want to beat the hell out of them. That is pure selfish. They are not giving them drugs to relieve the pain.. they do not care that when it is damp the poor dog hurts worst. They think that it is cruel to put them down, I say it is cruel to let them live a life in PAIN!!!
I have never had my animal just put down, I spend the night before (or more) with them.. giving them as much love as I possible can, I say good bye to them. I'm with them when the vet is there... I'm crying my friggin eyes out but I"m holding onto that animal and I'm telling them how much I love them while I'm kissing them and petting them. They do not suffer, but instead have me there still loving them and knowing Ilove them and then they go to sleep. OK... gotta go stop crying now...
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Well Ill have to start out disagreeing with you
Personaly if my dog had hip displatia I would not put him down .
I think a fair guideline to go by when playing God with another life is ...
Would it be right to give a person youthanasia if they had hip displatia or something simular that effects people ,and were willing take their life because the degree of pain was so high and the quality of their life is low?
Since dogs and other animals cant talk ,you have a very large responibilty to acess their quality of life and wether or not they are enjoying life more than the discomfort.
Why do you think pain management in people is so big,if we just killed people or put the down when they first experiance pain ,pain managment would not be the fastest growing industry in medicine?
If the people with pain were dogs ,we would just put them down .
But since we are people and we can comunicate with one another ,the over wheming majority of them chose to live life with pain over the altenative of death,so why would you think that all the other living things on the planet dont value their life just as much as we do.
Its instinctual in all living things to want to live ,pain or no pain.
My intent is not to make anyone feel bad that has put a dog down ,as you can read in my earlier post I took a friend and her dog down to the vet to have it done once.
Im sure your intent was noble and you felt you were doing the right thing.
My point is I think as a society we put animals dogs down in the name of pain when very likely if the animal had a say so in its own destiny it would chose life.
Life for all of us is not about blame but its a learning process and i just hope people reading this ,if they are in a situation of reponsiblity for this ill animal ,will invision themselves in the same shoes and what would they want to do if it was them.
Its not only the human condition but the condition of all living things that we will all be sick to one degree or another sometime in our lives,and most of us will fight it with everything we have to the end,dont asume animals dont have that same desire. | |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 4:19:49 PM |
Its instinctual in all living things to want to live ,pain or no pain.
I've had two pets (father & daughter) where the question to put them down came up. The father gave me every indication that he did want to live and the vets could not say that he had 0% chance. He died 2 days later, but I did put a "DNR" order on him. In contrast, his daughter had an inoperable condition with a 0% chance of recovery. When I asked her what she wanted, she gave me the expression that she knew it was her time and wanted to go. She was put down about 15 minutes later.
I think that [some] pets understand death. Therefore, I must disagree. They might want to live, but they also know their time is up. | |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 4:22:11 PM |
But since we are people and we can comunicate with one another ,the over wheming majority of them chose to live life with pain over the altenative of death,so why would you think that all the other living things on the planet dont value their life just as much as we do.
Actually, we keep the ones who can't communicate alive too. I dont' get that. Why keep someone on life support when you know they're not going to come back out?
Yet, a dog gets sick, and we put them down immediately.
I had to put a dog down once. He was bleeding internally. I still haven't forgiven myself for that. I'll never do it again. (What makes it ok for us to play God with our pets' lives?) And, I hope that my dog that I have now goes on his own and doesn't force me to make that painful decision...because I'll choose to keep him allive, regardless of costs.
My dog has cancer (cushings disease), hip dysplasia in both back hips, one of his front paws is going too, has chronic urinary stones, chronic ear infections, and is on prescription food and meds for all this. He's worth every penny to me. Had he been someone else's dog, he would have been put down at the first sign of problems. He was brought to me. And, I consider him a blessing...like a child. I wouldn't get rid of my human child if it had problems. Why would I get rid of my four-legged one? | |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 4:38:13 PM | I put my shepard down last sept. She was 16 years old. she had two storkes in the last three years she was with us and a tumor on the side of her face. she survived all three ailments. The last two weeks she was with me she had lost about 30 lbs and could no longer control any of her bodily functions, I had to literally carry her outside for her to do her buisness because she couldnt pick herself up her hips were so bad. I had several people telling me it was mean and I admit now that I was the selfish one. I just couldnt give her up after all her years of devotion to me.
When I took her to the vets that day I asked him if there was anything possible he could do for her. he checked her over and said there was nothing, so I made the decision to let her go.
I dont think it is mean to have to put your devoted pet down and give them peace. LIke I said before I was the one being selfish.
I have my lil pug now I got him in february and I couldnt even possibly imagine every letting him go, but when the time comes when he is suffering I will have to be strong, and just do whats right for him | |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 6:25:54 PM | I have put down two dogs :(
the 1st was around a year before I was born. A big old Newfoundland dog. God bless her. I spent everyday of my life with her until I was 8 but much like my dear terminallycute's dog good old "Dickey" could not get up to move.....I still remember the painful noise she let out the day we took her to the vets. I miss her greatly but even at a young age I knew in my harts of harts that she was happy because she was not in pain any more.
A few years past when me and my Dad got another Newfoundland dog, named Mario. He was the runt of the litter and by far the smartest. But he had a bad hart from birth....it did not pump enough blood from his lungs to his hart so do to lack of oxygen he was always tired. A puppy should not sleep 20 to 22 hours a day. So after a lot of tears I had to put another one of by best friends down.
I now have two more dogs a young puppy and a 14 year old. The Mighty Thurman! He has a tumor on his but and is blind as a bat....but he still gets around fine (smaller dog) and still goes to the beach and runs around, he will not live for ever but if he starts to suffer than as much as it will hurt, I will put him down.
It is out of respect for my best friend (my dog) that I do this. I do not want him (them) to suffer and no animal should. In the wild they would be kicked out of the pack or killed by the alfa male. So is this justified......not sure but I can't and wont let my dog and best friend of 14 years suffer......!? What do you think?
oh ya terminallycute I think you did the right thing.....it's hard to do.  | |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 6:28:47 PM | | I would also like to add that I have work in animal shelters and have seen too many animals put down due to neglecte and or lack of funds.....please do not mix the two issues! | |
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| Are pets as important as people?
Posted: 12/13/2005 7:43:42 PM | Quote
It is out of respect for my best friend (my dog) that I do this. I do not want him (them) to suffer and no animal should. In the wild they would be kicked out of the pack or killed by the alfa male. So is this justified......not sure but I can't and wont let my dog and best friend of 14 years suffer......!? What do you think?
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In earlier days in our history we would of been prey when we got sick also,butwe have manipulated our enviroment into a very soft and cushy place.
The survival of the fitest arguement doesnt work here because we as humans live way beyond the point of being able to phiscally defend ourselves against the of preditors of our past and would have died already.
I disagree about being killed by the alpha.
As long as the weaker male takes a submisive role in the pack and doesnt compete for the female in heat his exceptance in the pack would remain.
Anyway the decision to end another life is probably living thing is one of the most important decisions a person will ever make ,make it wizely | |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 7:46:58 PM | Opps typo
I meant
Anyway the decision to end another life is one of the most important decisions a person will ever make ,make it wizely | |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:05:59 PM | I have a friend that had a female cat that wasnt well for a while and we had all along been trying to nurse it back to heath by a syring blended diet.
One day the cat started sesuring and convulsing ,we rushed into the car and took her to the vet expecting to put her down to end her pain,because we knew she was near death.
When we got to the vet she was in the final stages of the sesure and died before they had a chance to put her down .
whaen we got there the vet said the same thing that we thought, that she was dieing ,so if they would have had a chance to give the youthanasia before she died ,I would have had no guilt that this was the right thing to do.
Man this subject is bumming me out , I think ill take a walk to clear my head. | |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:21:03 PM | Animals are indeed, just as important as humans. For the mere fact that a human would more than likely rescue their human counterparts, before they would an animal, does not indicate that an animal’s soul is any less valuable than that of a humans. If one breaths, thinks and feels....they most certainly possess a soul. A soul is a soul....be it human or animal.
I, too, was faced with the agonizing task of having to put my beloved little pup, Minnie down many years ago. To this day, I can still see the soul leaving her tiny body. The saying is very true in stating...."the eyes are the windows to the soul"....as I seen the life leave her body, through her eyes, as she looked into mine.
I find it strange that humans have the compassion, to take their beloved animals out of their misery..yet we don't have that same compassion for our fellow human beings. What does that tell some of us? I believe someone mentioned that we, as humans, do this for convenience, but IMO....nothing could be further from the truth. If I could have had a little more time with Minnie...I would have forsaken many things in life to make that possible...as would many others.
I seen this posted in the SPCA a few months ago...when I went in to adopt my dog...Tytin. It inspired me...as I hope it will for others...................
I looked at all the caged animals in the shelter...the cast-offs of human society.
I saw in their eyes love and hope, fear and dread, sadness and betrayal.
And I was angry.
"God," I said, "this is terrible! Why don't you do something?"
God was silent for a moment and then He spoke softly.
"I have done something," He replied.
"I created you." | |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 8:37:38 PM | Kenn159...You can disagree all you WANT... I did NOT put a dog down JUST because it was in some pain!! DO NOT put words in my mouth. One dog was an 11 year old rottie who had been in pain but then developed EYE CANCER! After a long and heart breaking decision (with vets) he was put down.
I used hip Dysplasia as an EXAMPLE! A dog can live many years with that if given soemthing for pain.. but then some people do not do that, they just let the poor dog suffer.
When it was to a point my German Shepard (even with medication) would try to run after a squirrel in the yard DRAGGING her rear end because she didn't have control over it, then geez I thought is was the MOST humane thing to do. So do not assume things you know little about or try to read between the lines! And if you will READ what I put about people being selfish... if it is to a point the animals is constantly suffering.. even with medicine then YES put it down and if you ask most humans who are constantly in pain and dying then many of them feel the same way. Death is a releaf for them.
I have 5 dogs now, and they were all either given to me or I picked them up on a highway. So don't try to say I'm a horrible person because me AND my veterinarian made what we thought was the best decision for my pets. I do not have children so my pets ARE my children and NO I wouldn't go bang a child in the head to kill it because it had a tummy ache. | |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:20:07 PM | I'm thrilled to witness so many wonderful people who care about so many wonderful pets. I've bred and shown purebred dogs for 25 years, and currently own a small menagerie ranging in size from the horse and cow (I raised her on a bottle, she thinks she's a dog) down to the anole and tree frog,with pretty much all sizes in between. I've worked in the pet care industry (vet assistant) and owned my own pet grooming shop and I write animal (and gardening) books, and do a lot of feature articles for most of the main dog magazines. When someone says I've "gone to the dogs" I consider it a compliment!
One of the biggest turnoffs for me is a man who tells me he "hates dogs" or "can't stand cats" or wonders "why I have so many pets, must be something I'm missing in life." (that one was followed by an assessment that a few hours in the sack with him would cure me *laughing*) I would LOVE to start a thread on the musing of what someone's pets say about them. Some dating sites ask what pets you own....I wonder how many people make their choices based on that answer. Unfortuantely, I can't figure out HOW to start a thread...and no one has answered my queries. (If someone can impart wisdom, please drop me a line and tell me!!!! I hate mysteries!)
As for the other direction this thread took.....It's a huge decision for me to euthanize a pet. My pets aren't just "companions" they're....part of me. But, I'm very grateful that euthanasia is available to us. In my opinion it is the one final thing we can do to prove how very much we do love them. ..enough to let them go when it is time. Yes, with modern medicine, many can be "kept alive" longer. But to what end? Pain, suffering, and a lack of quality in their life. Existing is NOT living. Personally, I would hope that if the roles were reversed they would love me enough to let ME go, if my time became a struggle for every breath, and every breath brought more and more pain and they held the power to release me from it. I've held many animals as they made that last journey, and I've held their owners while they cried. And I never doubted how much that pet was loved, or that he is waiting for those who loved him at Rainbow Bridge (and if you haven't read that poem, you should).
Anyway, just very very glad to see that so many people are passionate about their pets. I'm happy to join your ranks. | |
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Posted: 12/13/2005 10:39:08 PM | Thank you Sapphire.... I do believe in my heart I put my children down because it was the time to do it. I made sure the last think they felt and saw was me and the love I had for them.
Men who look around my place and joke about all my critters also find themselves out on my deck with me with all the dogs and cats laying with each other.. and sleeping... then they usually find out what contentment is. They are also the ones while watching all the animals playing and being silly... tell me how they understand why I never need to stray far from my house, I have plenty of entertainment right there!.. | |
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