| lyrics VS sound
Posted: 12/19/2004 12:24:19 PM | So, I was just going through my cd collection and discovered I dont really have an cd's that contain awful lyrics... I've got a couple live albums that are rancid as far as the words go, but I dont really listen to them. Silverchair could do a bit better here and there, but for the most part Daniel Johns does alright. the rest of my cds are really clever lyrically...
It also happens that the better the artists I have are at writing lyrics, the better their vocal melodies tend to be... I think the two have alot in common. | |
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| lyrics VS sound
Posted: 12/19/2004 9:59:34 PM | I have said in my life more than one time..its about the music..its about the sound,..its the emotion...
I have challenged people to listen to Aria's and then tell me its about the words, when you can't even understand what the hell their saying...
Then I think about things like...
Ryan Adams and his words..Jeff Buckley and his words..Rick Huxnell and his words...( yes..all of these guys can deliver sound..but words really go far. ) NOt to mention all those Cole Porters, and song writers from the 30's 40's and 50's..
Then Their is Frank Sinatra..his words were perfectly delivered.
So..I go back to the original stance..its about the music ( words or sounds..it dont matter..just move me..) | |
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Posted: 12/19/2004 10:52:50 PM | I think Blue Sky said it well.
For me, it is also the music. If I wanted meaningful words, I can open a book. I would rather listen to the song without its words rather than read the lyrics without the music. I find music so instinctively emotional, that I respond to it without effort. Listen to the Unfinished Symphony by Schubert with the eyes closed and appreciate it for its pure emotional delivery. No lyrics necessary. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2004 5:51:56 PM | it's about the particular song...
Sometimes lyrics are just an excuse to express a musical feeling...or sometimes it winds up being that way even if the writers didn't intend it!
How many of us knew what a "Day Tripper" was when the song was first released? ... or even years after that?
Nobody understood the lyrics to "A Whiter Shade of Pale" ... *LOL* I think that's still one of the great mysteries in music!!!
Here's another: When Little Richard sang "Good Golly Miss Molly"....how many people then or even now know that "Sure likes to ball!" means Miss Molly loves to have sex... | |
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| lyrics VS sound
Posted: 8/7/2007 5:42:18 PM | Sound - full stop.
Without a drving bassline or sweet melody i dont even get to the lyrics. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 7:30:27 AM | I have 3 years college education and 3 years at degree level in music technology (just some background) lol
Well i have to admit i consider shows like the x factor to teach people to not focus on the music; only the timbre of a voice, and of course this turns into a social problem as people tend to follow other peoples lead... Creating pop (sorry to say the obvious)
But I feel like in recent years not much music out side of the electronica community really push the direction of sound... like; most chord progressions are repeats, and solos are from age old scales... we all know them and love them :d i do at least
well... I feel that electronica is also guided by these same rules of progression, however the timbres are generally changed more often (I a generalizing, some dance sounds fom say? 909's etc are as common as a acoustic) while artists like autechre push how noise is used against more traditional harmonic sounds.
I think in most peoples case music is to be either danced to (so simple 4/4 beat with obvious timbres) or it is to be heard... they listen for lyrics mostly.
It is a shame in my opinion... i understand people try to push boundaries but shamefully they are bound my the monetary system to create album sales... Not art
just my thoughts... great thread mate
peace | |
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| lyrics VS sound
Posted: 11/5/2009 8:09:51 AM | Lyrics and sound sometimes coincide with one another; sometimes not.
Good example of where they coincide, and I'm not sure if there are any hard rock / metal people in this thread, but give it a try and go listen to "You're Going Down" by Sick Puppies.
Lyrics aren't always everything and are usually obscure as to what the meaning of the song, in which case, sound overshadows it quite a bit. Listen to Tool and you'll find out what I mean.
I believe it just depends on the song and/or artist. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 3:41:06 PM | | The only balance I have found between sound and lyrics (at least in my favourite genre Rock) - is the Canadian band Rush. Expertly played music AND insightful words. | |
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| lyrics VS sound
Posted: 11/5/2009 5:43:47 PM | | Just an instrumental can be moving and dictate how you feel, such as Johnny and Santo's "Sleep Walk." No doubt that song wouldn't be as memorable if it had lyrics sung on top of the music. However, a combination of lyrics and music gives a song the extra impact of how to feel...most times...but not always. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:07:45 PM | | "waiting for a girl like you", by Foreigner... good lyrics, great sound | |
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:17:05 PM | I don't worry about lame recent music "ruining the kids". They know how to find good stuff, just look at their facebook pages! Some of those 16 year olds are gigging like crazy, too, and they don't sound like anybody but themselves.
I love it when lyrics look totally lame on the page and then some california dude with a guitar makes them sound so hip when he's wailing them out... I remember reading an interview with a Beatles recording engineer. He saw the sheet of paper that said "she loves you yeah yeah yeah / she loves you yeah yeah yeah / she loves you yeah yeah yeah yeah" and was like Oh please. Then they played it and he was dancing around the room.
Besides precious lyrics, lately, I am into what makes me DANCE. I found a web page full of brazilian samba tracks this summer. There was one track there, I wanted to inject it into my veins. I have no IDEA what they were saying. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2009 11:37:18 PM | | Sounds is far more important to me and even with songs that do have vocals it's the melody, cadence, and phrasing in the voice is more important than the actual lyrical content. That being said, nothing makes a song more memorable than a great set of lyrics. | |
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| lyrics VS sound
Posted: 11/7/2009 7:05:23 AM | Well, right now I am listening to Little Texas who I rank right up there with Sugarland and Rascal Flatts in terms of pure talent. I love the songs, I love to sing. But the guitars and steel guitars of country music are so beautiful when well played. It wouldn't have nearly the beauty without the talented instrumentals. We need both,
I love CW & bluegrass- ummm the genre has some of the best string artists out there - electric & acoustic both....and some of the best vocalists. This is real American music. The roots of anything modern being done on acoustic/electric guitar. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 5:37:42 PM |
I love CW & bluegrass- ... This is real American music.
except where it's irish and african, of course. | |
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| lyrics VS sound
Posted: 11/9/2009 6:05:43 PM | Into The Wild soundtrac by Eddie Vedder, the newest PJ cd, Neil Young & pretty much anything he ever put out-both lyrically & musically...
Sometimes music & lyrics flow together & sometimes I wonder if the current song fell off the turnip wagon. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2009 9:07:50 PM | | yes, indeed. Actually, more often Scots than Irritatingish, but irritatingish too | |
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Posted: 11/11/2009 11:39:59 AM | I don't understand why they have to sit in opposition?
Isn't singing using the human voice as an instrument in a way? Difference is because we also communicate with our voices, the lyrics form (usually direct, sometimes not) meaning. If we communicated by strumming and fretting guitars it would kind of be the same and maybe people would only make sounds, but not words with their "voices"
In my opinion, it's just another instrument on the list. Pop songs can get dire really fast because they focus too much on lyrics/voice which is while it "could" be relatable and poetic, doesn't necessarily make it musically diverse and brilliant. This isn't to say that songs without lyrics are inherently better either. It completely depends upon what vision for the music the artist had in mind. Classical composers probabley couldn't use direct words to describe their genius in music. It would be wierd if they had. Does it make it any better? That's a question of opinion.
In my opinion, I like both to be equally in use. I don't like just lyrics with weak music, where as I can tolerate music with no lyrics in far greater amounts (I actually like quite a lot of classical) but when both are combined to good effect, it's a win-win situation. It's probabley tipped off by the fact that lyrics are more directly communitive than musical chords and such. I like plays on words, or metaphor and assonance. You can't metaphor things very well with instruments rawly, nor can they describe as directly in understanding. Still, dry lyrics without appropriate music to accompany the mood are just as meaningless. You need both. | |
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