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Posted: 7/25/2007 6:13:04 PM | Im educated in drugs, but then again from pracitcal experience in my younger years didn't translate in my career choice as a healthcare provider either. Yes Pot can be addicting, you might want to go read some of the side effects after long tearm use. But then again who am I to argue the medical facts? Also being bennificial for those with chronic pain. Again we all have preferance if we are willing to be 420 friendly. If you smoke it don't bug me. I just prefer not to.
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Posted: 7/25/2007 6:51:42 PM | Apparently this is a pissing contest for you. Ya know, who can spew insults the most. 
You have your labeling wrong-those who have tried it in the past, but then chose not to, and go for a more mature path are not hypocrites, they just simply, grew up.
I always get a kick out of those potheads who cry that they can walk away from pot at anytime, but, then, they always seem to have a reason to light up. (ahhhhh, it was a tough day at work, I need a hit. My boss laid me off, I need a hit. I got stuck in traffic. I need a hit. I cant pay a bill. I need a hit. I woke up in the morning. I need a hit.)
How can you be sarcastic about something you know nothing about?
I know alot more than you think I do. Just because I chose to lead a clean and sober life does not mean that I am not educated on the effects of pot. But again, you wont see that, as apparently the only one who is knowledgable on the subject, is an everyday toker of the pot such as yourself. Excluding any other drug free poster's viewpoint. Go beat that chest of yours darlin'. Yeah, you go boy. Everyone is just livin' in your world huh?
Your other comments arent even worth replying to. You are just pissy that I question your lack of character and judgement. I do, however, dont watch Dr. Phil, as I work fulltime during the day. Sorry. No husband though. (oh, wait, thats right, awaiting for the husband and divorced remark that is supposed to be an insult huh?)
This isnt a pissing match. You can toke it up all you want sweetheart. Its your black lungs and your damaged cell brain. I like my men to have all their brain cells intact. Ciao | |
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Posted: 7/25/2007 7:25:07 PM |
The fear of marijuana... stems from its limitless potential for treating illness, in that both the pharmaceutical industry and the medical monopoly would lose billions of dollars if marijuana became the non-drug of choice...
Yes, but that is not why YOU smoke it. You are simply riding on the coattails of its medical purposes.
I got my facts from a website other than this but, I don't want to get spanked for posting an off site web address.
Anyone can google and find a PRO mariquana website to copy and paste from. I bet I can google for reasons AGAINST it and come up with 358734856 hits on the harmfulness of it too.
Lady, I'm through having (winning) this pissing contest with you. From now on all I will bring to the table are facts. I suggest you do the same if you want a leg to stand on.
Changing your tune now? So NOW you are going to make your postings based on facts you got from copying and pasting from Google?
YOU will not "suggest" I do ANYTHING. This is a forum and thread we can share our OPINIONS on. Not neccessarily based on FACTS. I WILL add my .02 cents whenever and wherever I feel like it, and your OPINION of what I SHOULD do will be unsuccessful. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2007 7:45:27 PM |
and what do you know about why I smoke it?
You forgot you mentioned your reasons a few pages or so back. Thats ok though, pot inhibits the memory.
And facts are facts lady, whether they are from a pro-marijuana website or not they are still facts that YOU (look I used all caps just like you!) have to respect.
Hmm. I wonder if there were facts spewed from Google on the ill effects, if your tune would sing the same? I need to respect? Hun, the only thing I need to respect is the value of my life and breathing smoke free air. Which is my choice. So if you want to remain unbiased with your pot beliefs, then I suggest you do the same for those who choose to refrain.
While you are pondering, may I suggest that your rotten attitude towards non smokers is rather immature. If you cant handle a healthy debate, then stay out of the kitchen.  | |
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Posted: 7/25/2007 8:07:30 PM | HOW HARMFUL IS MARIJUANA?
In Knox County, most young people do not use and have not experimented with marijuana. However, roughly 1 out of 5 sophomores and 1 out of 8 eighth graders in Knox County use marijuana on a monthly basis. This makes it the most widely used illegal drug in Knox County, as it is in the nation. Nationally, marijuana accounts for 81% of drug use. The main reason for marijuana's popularity is that young people don't think of it as harmful. It's a "soft drug", instead of a "hard drug" to them. As parents and educators, we need to teach our young people about marijuana and it's consequences.
Marijuana and Learning
Heavy marijuana smokers have trouble paying attention and taking in new information for at least twenty-four hours after use, according to a report by the Harvard Medical School published in the Journal of American Medical Association. THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) disturbs nerve cells in the part of the brain where memories are formed. It becomes difficult to learn and recall information, which is why marijuana use leads to a drop in academic achievement. According to the Illinois Drug Education Alliance, "marijuana make 'great' people average, and 'average' people dumb".
Marijuana and Motivation
Regular marijuana users have decreased motivation and cognition. They often develop amotivational syndrome. This includes 1) not caring about what happens in their lives, 2) having no desire to work regularly, 3) fatigue, 4) lack of concern for their appearance, and 5) poor performance in school.
Marijuana and the Brain
More than four hundred chemicals are in cannabis. One of them, THC, starts a chain of cellular reactions in the brain. These change the way sensory information gets into and is acted upon by the part of the brain crucial for learning, memory, and the integration of experience with emotions and motivation. The resulting impairments include memory, perception and judgment. Users have difficulty speaking, listening effectively, thinking clearly, retaining knowledge, problem solving and forming ideas. In an 8-year study by Dr. Robert Gilkeson, marijuana smokers had EEG (electroencephalogram) readings of brain dysfunctions similar to the learning disabled.
Marijuana and Internal Organs
Marijuana is the most chemically complex of all illegal drugs. Some of these chemicals and toxic and cancer-inducing. THC, one of the strongest, is absorbed by fatty tissues in the brain, bone marrow and sex organs. It stays in the body long after the user has come down from his high. For chronic users, THC can be detected for weeks after use has stopped. DDT is an example of a fat soluble substance, banned from use because of its staying power in the body.
Marijuana and the Lungs
Because marijuana smoke is deeply in haled and held in the lungs as long as possible, it is extremely damaging to the lungs and pulmonary system. The tar inhaled and the carbon monoxide absorbed by marijuana users are three to five times greater than with tobacco. Five joints a week expose a user to as many cancer causing chemical as a full pack of cigarettes smoked each day.
Marijuana and Illness
THC collects in the bone marrow, where blood cells are manufactured. It impairs the development of white blood cells used to fight off infection. In a 1997 National Institute of Health study, marijuana decreased the ability to resist viral and bacterial infection.
Marijuana and Behavior
Marijuana users have lower achievement, more acceptance of deviant behavior, more aggression and poorer relationships with their parents. Marijuana use correlates with higher rates of delinquency, arrests and failure in school. Dr. Gabriel Nahas of Columbia University states that throughout history, cannabis has been associated with mental disturbances ranging from distorted perception to schizophrenia.
Marijuana and Pregnancy
According to Dr. Akira Morishima, a specialist in cellular heredity, "I have never found any other drug, including heroin, which came close to the DNA damage caused by marijuana". Babies born to mothers who used marijuana during pregnancy developed health problems similar to fetal alcohol syndrome.
Marijuana and Development
Adolescence is an important period of physical, psychological and cognitive development. Using marijuana during this period, makes young people more likely to experience severe problems related to drug use. It impairs development in the frontal lobe of the brain, responsible for reasoned and logical thinking.
Go home.
I am home. Perhaps you forgot-if confused, please read above what I found from using Google.
Granted, this is mainly towards young adults, however, if one had your reasoning, itd be a continous cycle as one gets older into their adult years doing it.
I shouldnt say this to you, but, I think its neccessary because I really feel you are completely off your rocker, but shut the f.uck up and go toke one already. Your justifications are really nauseating and completely unfounded. You reek of excuses that its quite stale and unappealing. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2007 8:23:24 PM | LOL! So Im a c.unt now. My, this just keeps getting better and better. Ive obviously posted facts that have you squirming in your seat, so again, you resort to name calling.
For the record, *I* left him. Over his drug use. Remember? I posted that a few pages back. But its ok, Ill forgive you. I know how pot affects the memory an' all..
You may call me all the names you wish. You only make yourself look more immature. Having to reduce to name calling only further validates you lack substance. | |
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Posted: 7/25/2007 8:29:20 PM | Marijuana and Behavior
Marijuana users have lower achievement, more acceptance of deviant behavior, more aggression and poorer relationships with their parents.
If I may interject in the name calling here. I have two degrees that I worked my butt off for whilst under the influence, my current G/f working on her masters uses. The relationships are great. Mind you I don't use and my g/f does.
There is always rule to the exception, but then again researcher writing can skew information any way they want, especially when funding is in question. IUmperical data is a great way to measure. As far as accepting deviant behavior, No way I could do that I work with people that are peds and pariphilist, I do not condon deviant behavior. Well depending on what it is..................... maybe
Ok you two enough please stop flamming and hijacking. agree to disagree please. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2007 5:06:21 AM | | pot is cool on certain occasions...used to smoke a lot, now hardly ever(maybe once every six to nine months). I refuse to spend money on it as it seems like a waste. I have successful and unsuccessful friends who smoke pot often, so i don't really see a trend or profile in that regards. I think disneymom is fair in her points, she is going for that respectable single mom thing and drugs or any deviant form of behavior is out. That is how she wants to be and it's more then fair for her to expect that in a potential mate. Seems a little ho hum and boring to me, but then, I'm not raising any kids(nor plan to). On a personal note...if only walking away from nicotine was as easy giving up the chronic... | |
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Posted: 7/26/2007 7:18:40 AM | Thank you on the "respectable single mom" thing, but it really has nothing to do with my status. That destructive lifestyle is out whether Im a parent or not. (I wasnt ALWAYS a mom).
I would only HOPE that ANY person wants and expects the best out of a mate. Its a shame you think that one who is anti-drug is boring. There are alot of fun living, free spirited men and women who are just as fun and are not ho hum just because they choose the drug free route. 
(BTW-now it looks like Im talking to myself since the other poster broke forum rules and his posts were deleted..lol) | |
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Posted: 7/26/2007 11:16:40 AM | You have a point, if the right gal came along, her views on pot would be a very small issue with me. I wouldn't hesitate to never touch it again as I'm already headed in that direction anyways. It would be real shame to let any substance come in between a good relationship. I also guess it's wrong to automatically assume that just because someone is against marijuana, that they're an uptight and controlling personality.
While I'm fairly open minded to softer drugs, my issue is the fact that it is obscenely expensive and puts a huge dent in one's quality of life. Plus the older I get it's lot less relaxing to be off-guard and high. With all the responsibilities and stress of trying to be a productive and financially secure adult...being stoned and reflecting on it all is quite nerve racking actually. | |
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Posted: 7/26/2007 4:14:33 PM | LOL...I've been wondering about why....
My profile shows "drugs" on it...and in fact....it's been months since the last time I took a "toke"...and it was exactly that...a toke. I have messaged, posted, and even fired out some messages to quite a number of people. HOWEVER, have noticed that they are not even replying. Perhaps it's because i'm old, bald, and have a goatee...but to me it's a coincidence. I don't consider my profile in anyway other than the "norm"...my picture doesn't portray me as an ogre (although the Shrek look is in apparently) and I do in fact have a job...and an education..so it's not like that's a deterent.
I've always considered honesty to be a vital part of a personality. I have smoked weed....and i've even had a beer (that was a few months ago now though)...and indicated on my profile that I drink. I smoke too (well...that's possible as to why people don't reply), but moderation...and responsibility play a HUGE role in lifestyle. I work my butt off 6 days per week (sometimes 7) and find that sitting home on a day off just doesn't work...don't drink..so bars are out....and sitting on the boardwalk reading and having a coffee for an hour...perhaps 2...but after that...you are just a creepy old guy hanging out at the beach...lol. Perhaps i'm best off single....no one to irritate....no one to cook for.....no one to snuggle with during thunder storms......
Hehehe....In a nutshell.....i'll never change my profile..although i've been tempted....the honorable thing to do is maintain the honesty...
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Posted: 7/27/2007 6:47:16 PM | | "Do you use drugs" is far too vauge and all encompassing question. After all how can you lump together taking a toke and shooting smack or sucking on a crack pipe ? It should be changed in some way to distinguish the difference. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 7:26:33 PM |
After all how can you lump together taking a toke and shooting smack or sucking on a crack pipe ?
Because it is still a DRUG. No matter how you try to spin it or justify it. | |
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Posted: 7/27/2007 10:28:16 PM | DisneyMom:
You are so right!! Thank you so much for what you said. I see our fellow poster is no longer with us.
What some tend to forget is that, the majority of drug addicts don't start out by doing crack, they start out with the simple stuff, weed or prescribed narcotics (pain killers). They start out smoking a little weed, or taking the pain killers as prescribed, time being a factor your body begins to build up a tolerance, requiring more weed for that high or more or stronger narcotics to numb the pain. The more drugs or the higher dose you take the more tolerance you build requiring more drugs for the wanted or needed effect. Talk about a vicious cycle. It just keeps going until they get help or I get that call. Possible Overdose.
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Posted: 7/28/2007 7:01:25 AM | | Drug or not, the drug option on pof is waaay too broad. You just cannot compare someone who smokes pot casually to a hardcore meth addict...and not all weed smokers move on to harder drugs. In my experience with pot...i did not build any tolerance, and got just as high every time i smoked. Weed simply is entirely different kettle of fish then other recreational drugs and this is being proven by the relaxation of draconian drug laws and the approval of it's medical use. To me personally, seeing that someone was on psychiatric meds would raise far more red flags then seeing a drug box checked no and yet they smoke the ganj on the down low. Just my two cents. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2007 10:58:52 AM |
Drug or not, the drug option on pof is waaay too broad. You just cannot compare someone who smokes pot casually to a hardcore meth addict...and not all weed smokers move on to harder drugs.
It appears you have miss understood my post. I didn't say all weed smokers move to harder drugs. I said that how a drug addicts start, and I did include paid meds because this happens more often then we would like to admit. I'm not saying that for some weed hasn't helped control of pain for terminally ill patients.
With more and more places of employment becoming Drug Free is it really worth the risk? Possibly losing your job, or not being able to obtain a job? Should this topic be brought up in court a judge isn't going to give custody or joint custody to a parent that can't test clean. That just shows that being high is more important to them then their own child. Is it really worth it?
A previous poster said that those of us that choose not to get high don't have a life, yet he is the one that is no longer here, sitting on his couch getting high, while we are still here having some very good debates, meeting new people, doing things with family, friends, kids, community, going on adventures, traveling and have jobs worth having.
So now tell me, who's not living? | |
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Posted: 7/28/2007 12:04:41 PM | ...shrug...
I'm never said non pot smokers don't have a life, and i'm definitely not going to make sweeping generalization and assume pot smokers don't have a life either.
I don't have kids and have never been divorced, so no custody battles. My place of employment does not drug test and my morrocan boss tells tales of the hash bars back in his homeland with fondness...he doesn't smoke pot or hash anymore tho. If I want to find a new place of employment, then I don't smoke for 30 days and then a drug test is a non-issue. Oh wait...I haven't smoked in over 3 or 4 months so it is already a non issue lol.
People who smoke weed are also having very good debates, meeting new people, doing things with family, friends, kids, community, going on adventures, traveling and have jobs worth having.
I personally smoke pot rarely, but I am not bothered in the least by people who smoke more often as long as it isn't an obsession and interfering with their lives. | |
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Posted: 7/28/2007 9:15:30 PM | If you recall what I wrote I said that poster was no longer here. In no way did I refer to you. What you choose to do is your choice.
I stand corrected some do have lives you are correct, but the one I was refering to directly as previously stated is no longer here. I will say that some people appear to have more self control then others when it comes to drugs, just as anything else I suspect.
My choice is not too, nor do I want to be around it. I set the pace in my home as to what is expected of my children, drugs are not tollerated at all. My profession is my choice as well, and it would be a great hinderence and disservice to my community to have someone in my position stoned. You can't be high and trying to put out a fire, do CPR, or rescue someone.
So we agree to disagree and are both happy with our choices. You are happy with your choices just as I am with mine. Take good care. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2007 1:59:03 PM | | weed isn't technically legal in canada, but the cops don't care at all. They just take it, ask who you bought it from, and then threaten to give you a $120 ticket when you refuse to say where you bought it. Then they leave without giving you the ticket. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2007 5:09:15 PM | whooptey dooooo..................some do it, some don't. The way I feel is do what you want to do behind the closed doors of your own home....I could give two shyts less
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Posted: 7/29/2007 7:57:12 PM | What's funny is the people who are so against it, probably have never tried it and don't know what it is like. Or maybe they have tried it and are now hypocrites telling people not to try it.
Im not gonna say smoking bird feathers is bad either, but i have not tried those. | |
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| The drug thing.
Posted: 7/29/2007 8:11:24 PM | | I meant smoking bird feathers is good. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 12:06:25 AM | disneymom,
i read your posts on page 15 of this thread. i did not go back and read any other posts of yours on previous pages as i believe i understand your position and am responding to the post in which you list all the detriments of marijuana.
i completely agree that marijuana should not be used by youths. it may have long term effects on a person who starts to young because they may not properly develop. i say "may" because there are no absolutes and as another poster stated there are just as many examples of succesful marijuana users (even when use initiated in youth), if not more examples of success, as opposed to the few bad apples that give it a bad name.
i have many friends who started using in high school and are very successful. i did not start until college but it has never limited me in any way from succeeding in life. when i attended post graduate i received honors as i graduated with straight "A's". i employed the theory that if you study high then take the test high and you will remember what you studied. i then went on to a successful career and retired at 36. i have never encountered memory problems and in fact am teased by my friends as they call me "rainman" because of my "excellent" memory and the tremendous amounts of information i am able to recollect at a moment's notice.
additionally, there have always been healthy ways of consuming such as in food or making oil of it and these days with a vaporizer which completely cuts out all the tar and carcinogens. most of the points listed are the negative stereotypes that are associated with marijuana users that i have worked my whole life to debunk. it is a shame they persist when in fact you would be surprised how many successful people still employ marijuana as a recreational stimulant.
i have cut my use to once a day at 4:20 because i don't want to use as much as previous years in my life and it is only with a vaporizer (unless i have cooked a meal with it). i partake because i enjoy the euphoria. however, everyone has some method they use to cope with the stress of life. i noticed in one of your posts it seems that you ridicule people for using marijuana as the method. perhaps i cannot persuade you to understand said method but in the least i seek to promote tolerance of varying life styles. i respect the fact that you do not want someone in your life who uses marijuana. however, perhaps do not be so quick to judge based on such limited information about an individual. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2007 9:49:17 AM |
everyone has some method they use to cope with the stress of life.
Yes. I choose to cope with mine soberly.
i noticed in one of your posts it seems that you ridicule people for using marijuana as the method. perhaps i cannot persuade you to understand said method but in the least i seek to promote tolerance of varying life styles. i respect the fact that you do not want someone in your life who uses marijuana.
You see it as ridicule perhaps because deep down, you know there are many ways to cope rather than smoking a drug to do it. And no, no one will pursuade me to see it any differently. I am 32 yrs. old and I wasnt always a mother-I know all about lifestyles and differences of opinion and affect it has on ones life.
however, perhaps do not be so quick to judge based on such limited information about an individual.
Its quite ironic you speak of it that way, yet it seems that I am really the only one who is against and keeps replying, yet, so many somehow want to "educate" me and judge me based on limited information about myself. Calling me a prude..LOL! If choosing not to have that in my life and turning away a man because of it makes me a prude, I can live with that and Ill toot my own horn because of it.
I try not to judge, however, I am at a loss as to why I should "relax" a little. I am a parent. I choose to parent my child in a drug free home. This includes dating any man who chooses to use drugs. My ex husband is an addict of pot and alcohol. He lost his family over it. No I do not have hang ups about it. However I learned what I want and dont want in a man and therefore, I will not lower my expectations and settle for any less than what I want out of life. If you want to smoke it, that is your choice. MY choice is lead a drug-free life. No one will pursuade me any different. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 12:03:42 AM | i understood that you choose to deal with stress soberly. i applaud that just as i applaud someone using cigarettes to deal with their stress or drinking or working out or music or meditation or caffeine (coffee or soft drinks) or who comes home and takes it out on their loved one or eating or surfing or reading or drawing or walking or volunteering or caring for pets or caring for children or any other method. so yes i understand there are many ways to cope with stress other than using a drug, to each their own.
perhaps you do agree with "to each their own" except to the extent that you will not tolerate someone in your life that uses marijuana (or drugs for that matter). if you do agree then i misunderstood your conveyance of said sentiment. i am at a disadvantage since the posts of the person to whom most of your responses were directed were deleted. therefore, i was unable to entirely determine the extent to which you were judging people for using marijuana or simply engaging a forum adversary. you may well not judge people at all for using marijuana and only seek to confirm, by way of posting in this forum, that you will not accept a man in your life that uses.
additionally, forum posts are easily misinterpreted. however, my understanding of your posts was that beyond not wanting someone in your life that uses marijuana (which is of course your decision and i respect that) you negatively judged and were intolerant of people that use marijuana as a result of your personal experience. if that is an incorrect understanding my apologies. in an attempt to clarify, my question then is - would you remove friends from your life that use marijuana or not accept someone as a friend if they used marijuana (females included)?
finally, i did not urge you to "relax" nor did i "judge" you based on your responses. i opened communication to better understand your position on the issue of marijuana use beyond not wanting a man in your life that uses marijuana so that i may gain new knowledge in my quest to debunk the negative stereotypes that have long been associated with marijuana. | |
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