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Posted: 8/2/2007 12:06:23 AM | Just say NO!
Or loose your job when they send you to go pee in a cup..... | |
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| The drug thing.
Posted: 8/2/2007 1:34:00 AM |
Just say NO!
Or loose your job when they send you to go pee in a cup.....
good thing i'm retired because stoners are accused of "loosing" a great many things into our society. :) | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 6:12:59 AM |
would you remove friends from your life that use marijuana or not accept someone as a friend if they used marijuana (females included)?
I do not have any friends who smoke it. Most of my friends have children and feel the same way that I do. When I was younger I knew of friends who have. Those friends are no longer. ..theyve gone off the deep end and went on to try harder stuff. Some are just loosers that got lazy and never grew up.
I understand that based on what you have read, that it looks like I judged. My personal experience with it weighs heavily. I was mainly responding to a poster who was rather an immature kid who tried to go great lengths to justify why he smokes pot. Since his posts were deleted, it was hard to decifer posts. The negative stereotypes are out there because those who DO use, have made it that way. How else would they have detemined this to become a stereotype. Excessive users get lazy. They waste their money, loose jobs, loose relationships, become irritable, and are hard to deal with. Im very well aware there are "functioning smokers". Those who can still maintain jobs, etc. However, I am not going to be with someone who wastes their money and relieves stress by a drug. Just my choice. Im not TRYING to put down users. I just personally dont care to raise my child in that form. (as Ive stated before). I know you say you realize this, but you cannot pursuade a person, a drug is a drug. No matter how you twist, turn, and justify it. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 6:26:19 AM | I agree, it's a lifestyle choice. Some people drink, some smoke pot, some smoke cigarettes-whatever gets you through the day, IMHO. Of course, this subject is not so black and white, so it's difficult for me to put into a nutshell. I mean, you look at crack, meth etc, no one should be using that crap at all, you might as well sign your death warrant. But where to draw the line? I smoke pot every day. No, I don't stumble around like some cheese-eating high school boy, but my anxiety attacks are now few and far between, which has improved my quality of life. Cancer patients smoke pot to lessen pain and stimulate appetite! But, there are also those who go to far, and end up with no motivation or drive. So there are a few grey areas to deal with. But it all boils down to choice, the choice to use, and the choice to associate with those who use. I think anyone who would put down or avoid socializing with a pot smoker only because they smoke, is ignorant. Chances are you know at least 5 pot smokers, and don't even realize it! I say live and let live. 
P.S. I spend less on pot than I did on cigarettes, when I used to smoke cigarettes. Moderation factors in as well, in a subject like this, I think. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 6:32:23 AM | Im kind of curious-
you spend more money on cigs than pot? But you smoke pot everyday. A pack of cigs cost, what, 5 and change a day? I dont know how MUCH pot you smoke everyday, but, how often do you buy pot and what does it cost you? | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 6:54:10 AM | I smoke about one gram a day, give or take. I don't smoke joints, I smoke off a bong. And I buy my pot on payday....when else would I buy it lol? I should add too that I would never avoid being friends with someone because they don't smoke. Quite a few of my close friends don't smoke, and it is of no issue with us. I really think how you use it and why is a big part of it. There was a point in my life when I couldn't leave my house because of the panic attacks I had, they were actually painful! I tried a few prescription drugs, which either made me worse, or gave me wierd and unpleasant side effects. So my few bong hits a day are what works now. I respect your opinion disneymom, as well as anyone else who disagrees with pot-I just wanted to get the word out that not all of us are non-motivated couch potatoes.....although I do love to couch on the weekends!
PS A pack of cigarettes is 10 and change a day, I quit just last year. When I did smoke, I went through a carton a week, which costs 80 ish dollars, so about 160 each paycheck, a full 60 more than I put out now. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 7:15:08 AM | IMO a pot smoker who refuses non pot smoking friends is far different than vice versa.
It seems to never fail that when the issues of pot smoking come up, users always try to go with the medical approach. (the fact that its legal for cancer patients and other sicknesses0 when in fact, THEY are not the one sick themselves. Its just riding the coattails off sick ones in true need, IMO. In your case, you did say you have tried perscription. Could your dr. find anything else that would work?
Wow. I had no idea that it costs so much for a pk. a day. I'll have to see what it is out here, I dont smoke. But Im curious to find out, because about 5 yrs. ago, it was barely at 6. Congrats for kicking the habit.
Although you told me how much you spent on cigs, you didnt answer my question on how much you pay for pot....?
But just imagine-how much of that money you could save to pay for bills, groceries, etc. And before you say thats after basic needs, think a bit further than that. You could use it more wisely couldnt you? Im not trying to be ****y. It all just seems like a waste to me for a few minutes of stress relief. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 10:37:54 AM | theyve gone off the deep end and went on to try harder stuff. Some are just loosers that got lazy and never grew up.
as in all walks of life it is the few bad apples like these that give the rest of us (the majority) a bad name.
My personal experience with it weighs heavily.
i completely understand how personal experience can weigh heavily. i've lost two loved ones (father 7 years ago and dog 6 days ago) to cancer. as much as my father admonished me not to hate the disease but to love, understand and learn from it that is still a difficult concept for me to grasp. however, this analogy may not be on point for you since according to the pundits cancer is not a choice (although my father believed different and taught me to believe such as well so i employ the analogy).
How else would they have detemined this to become a stereotype.
stereotypes are not always true. when marijuana was first made illegal many negative stereotypes were associated with it that were completely untrue. watch the movie reefer madness for a list of said stereotypes. stereotypes more often than not originate from ignorance or from purposeful intent to publicly assassinate character. in the case of marijuana a lot of the negative stereotypes were a direct result of the lobbying of the lumber and plastic companies who knew marijuana (or more specifically hemp and marijuana stalks) to be a much better product. therefore, in order to ensure that marijuana and hemp were unable to compete in the market place smear campaigns were invented through advertisements and marketing. environmental purposes alone should dictate that marijuana and hemp be legal. just one small example is that 4 times the amount of paper can be produced from one acre of hemp as opposed to one acre of trees. there are many others including a bio-fuel that can be produced from hemp and marijuana seed oil that is environmentally sound and can run cars.
additionally, the spin-doctoring of politicians adds to untrue negative stereotypes. at one point in our countries' history there were many untrue negative stereotypes that were associated with different races (ex. slavery) or gender (ex. women are the weaker sex). in more modern times look at the untrue negative stereotypes that are associated with illegal undocumented migrants (ex. mexicans are lazy and deplete the system). these stereotypes persist at the behest of political agendas. so just because stereotypes exist does not make them true.
Excessive users get lazy. They waste their money, loose jobs, loose relationships, become irritable, and are hard to deal with.
in all my years of smoking i have never encountered the lazy user and i hang around a lot of stoners. most people in fact like to be active when high. the exercise or movement of any kind gets the lungs working and enhances the high. additionally, i know plenty of lazy people that do not use marijuana at all. i think the lazy stereotype most associates with teenage users. teenagers are afforded more opportunities to be lazy, adults have responsibilities that do not afford them time to be lazy. besides its fun doing things high and getting high gives me energy besides who wants to waste a good high sitting on their butt doing nothing, that is no fun. personally, i am more lazy when i am not high. i have been much more lazy since retiring and cutting down on my smoking then i ever was in my excessive heyday but maybe that is just retirement.
as for wasting money since you consider purchasing marijuana a waste i understand your point. however, other than that there is no waste of money, not everyone gets the munchies. ;)
"loose" jobs (what is it by the way with everyone replacing "lose" with "loose"?) - well if they lose their job they certainly are not going to be able to waste money or even purchase more marijuana so it is in a stoner's best interest to not lose their job. i know of only one person in all my years to lose their job for smoking (this happened about a year ago to one of my fraternity brothers) and that was because the moron decided to do it while on a break from his job (busboy and went out back to have a smoke break).
lose relationships - most stoners probably don't consider it a loss. however, in your instance it certainly is and if i had to choose between my children (i don't have any other than the four legged kind but no more of those at the present moment) and smoking weed it is no choice, children first. however, on the other end just as you choose not to be with someone that smokes weed i choose not to be with someone that does not smoke weed so in that regard i am not going to lose a relationship based on weed. having dated people that did not smoke i can say from experience that there were many other factors that caused the loss of those relationships that were far more instrumental in the demise of the relationship. in conclusion on this point i preach unconditional love and acceptance and if someone smoked weed when two people met then it is the fault of the person who did not smoke for trying to change the other person as opposed to not entering into that relationship to begin with (as you are choosing).
become irritable and are hard to deal with - you must speak from personal experience in that regard. i cannot state for certain because i did not know your ex but i can state i have never met a person that is high and irritable. getting high has a calming, relaxing influence with a euphoria that diminishes anger, irritability and stress and makes one happy. if your ex acted as such perhaps there were other contributing factors. as for being hard to deal with that is a point of view based on perception so it is subjective and not an objective negative stereotype (as to some extent is irritability). in that regard my motto has always been "it takes two to tango" or "when you point a finger there are three pointing right back at you".
in conclusion i am not trying to persuade you to be with someone that smokes weed or even associate with stoners or convince you that marijuana is not a drug. i respect that you do not choose to raise your children around that and think it is a good decision. if i ever have children i might well make the same choice. however, even if that happens i will still attempt to debunk the negative and untrue (from my point of view) stereotypes that are associated with marijuana as i have attempted in this post. that is the only purpose i have in our dialogue. in that regard i may never persuade you that those stereotypes are untrue but that does not mean i should stop. at least i do not believe i should stop. finally, thanks for the candor and open dialogue. i appreciate and enjoy this conversation. | |
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| The drug thing.
Posted: 8/2/2007 10:51:28 AM |
well if they lose their job they certainly are not going to be able to waste money or even purchase more marijuana so it is in a stoner's best interest to not lose their job.
I am basing this off of my own personal situation. My ex repeatedly lost his job (terrible work ethic). It wasnt always centered around pot, however, he felt it too difficult to quit for a period of time to pass a drug test, so he limited himself to finding jobs that did not require a drug test (pathetic, I know). In between jobs, lack of money, his mommy and daddy would help pay his way to *survive*.
In regards to cancer-my mother is a breast cancer survivor. Smoking pot was never a consideration, but I am sure if need be, it would. She went thru a round of chemo and came out a survivor. It was a very difficult time for all of us.
i respect that you do not choose to raise your children around that and think it is a good decision. if i ever have children i might well make the same choice. however, even if that happens i will still attempt to debunk the negative and untrue (from my point of view) stereotypes that are associated with marijuana as i have attempted in this post. that is the only purpose i have in our dialogue. in that regard i may never persuade you that those stereotypes are untrue but that does not mean i should stop. at least i do not believe i should stop. finally, thanks for the candor and open dialogue. i appreciate and enjoy this conversation.
Thank you. I respect yours as well. Although I do not agree with using ANY form of drugs and abusing, whether that be alcohol or pain meds, its nice to carry on a conversation in an adult-like manner.
*****Are you EVER going to answer my question on how MUCH MONEY you spend on pot? Or are you constantly going to ignore?***** | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 10:53:18 AM | | I think you've purposely skipped over that question for a reason.. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 12:12:36 PM |
Are you EVER going to answer my question on how MUCH MONEY you spend on pot?
i thought that question was directed to rubber soul who brought up the point that more money was spent on cigarettes than on marijuana. however, to answer your question i spend none. i am primary care provider for an hiv patient who has a medical marijuana card so i am allowed to grow up to 24 plants at any time. i grow 8-10 plants at any time and my patient shares. prior to that i was primary care provider for my father. prior to that i probably spent about $300 a month but that money was simply taken from my drinking fund. :) | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 12:31:47 PM | | Sorry, yes, it was meant to the other poster..LOL..but thank you for answering anyway. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 12:52:36 PM | | no problem and they say stoner's have the bad memory. :P just kidding. on a separate note i am in complete agreement about disney magic and the annual pass. since i got mine 5 years ago i love it and use it regularly. one can never get too much disney! | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 2:14:28 PM | If you werent a stoner, Id say lets go!  | |
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Posted: 8/2/2007 5:03:40 PM | To the OP:
See, a friend introduced me to POF and was telling me how to set up my profile. She said to block users who used drugs, but I told her I don't mind ppl who occasionally smoke pot (some of my dearest friends do) and since that is technically a drug, I'd be blocking ppl I might really enjoy getting to know.
She looked at me weird and said fine... *lol* | |
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| The drug thing.
Posted: 8/2/2007 9:40:03 PM | 1) I don't take a puff now and then, and I never did. Cost me a lot of social acceptance, let me tell ya. Phuck 'em if they can't take a joke !!
2) I would skip MOST that said yes, but would appreciate the honesty of the person if the rest of the profile were magnetic enough. .... and no, I'm not naive, many many who say "No" are or have been druggies.
2.5) For the record, I was desperately in love with a recreational pot user for 6 years, so its not an automatic deal breaker. There is more to a relationship than a half ounce of grass.
3) You said it: "If someone walks because of it, then so be it" And its their loss, potentially mine as well. We all make our choices and then live with them.
4)... and "Prefers Not To Say" allows profile readers to assume the worst, just like not posting a picture.
~ Huddy  | |
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Posted: 8/5/2007 1:12:03 PM | I just wanted to thank Disneymom, you gave me a lot to think about, after I read all your posts, I sat down and had a long think about me, and my weed.
You made a good point about having to rely on drugs to get through the day. I don't know if I need weed to get through the day, I've been smoking it for so long (10 yrs) that it just became habit to spark up! It's one thing to smoke a dubie on the weekend, but i had taken it so far past that! I don't want some drug controlling me, at any level-and I am tired of not being taken seriously, of being the resident stoner. So, I smoked the last of my ganj on Friday, and that's that! Time to see the world without my green colored glasses. Thanks again disneymom, for waking me up! Maybe now I'll find my keys...... | |
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Posted: 8/6/2007 9:37:05 AM |
I just wanted to thank Disneymom, you gave me a lot to think about, after I read all your posts, I sat down and had a long think about me, and my weed.
You made a good point about having to rely on drugs to get through the day. I don't know if I need weed to get through the day, I've been smoking it for so long (10 yrs) that it just became habit to spark up! It's one thing to smoke a dubie on the weekend, but i had taken it so far past that! I don't want some drug controlling me, at any level-and I am tired of not being taken seriously, of being the resident stoner. So, I smoked the last of my ganj on Friday, and that's that! Time to see the world without my green colored glasses. Thanks again disneymom, for waking me up! Maybe now I'll find my keys......
I  you for realizing this! I hope your last toke was friday. Please come back and let me know how many days "pot free" you have been ;o)
I think alot of people end up starting out as a recreation drug-something to do on the weekends, a way to "blow off steam", but then very easily get caught up on the effect, and before you know it, they are toking it up constantly. Spending an obsene amt. of money. Yes, we all have our vices with what "gets us relaxed". But you cannot honestly justify smoking an illegal drug compared to indulging in a hot bubble bath, reading a book, jogging, etc. (other things legal to get you thru that stress filled day). | |
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Posted: 8/6/2007 11:29:06 AM | If our society cannot label alcohol, caffiene, or tobacco as a drug, then how am I supposed to accept marijuana as a drug. We are not here to have our morals handed to us by our government. Substances we ingest should be assessed with our own wisdom.
Here are the people who should check yes to drugs on their profile...
1. Those who cannot function properly without an extra large starbucks coffee every day and are ****y without it.
2. Those who must have a drink after work just to relax, or cannot head out to a social situation without full intention to drink alcohol throughout the night.
3. Those who make sure they are in a constant supply of pot, and must smoke it regularly and are fidgeting without it.
4. Those who cannot stop eating and must have desserts and chocolate after every meal.
5. Those that are addicted to psycho-analyzing people and their choices, expressing their dissapproval, passing judgement and condemning them.
Sometimes late at night on a weekend I will be mixing music tracks, playing music, burning cds, etc. I might step out back for a couple of puffs. If there is a beer in the back of my fridge I might drink it, maybe water instead. Creativity comes and goes either way. Am I puffing right now? No. Tomorrow? Probably not, but maybe. Do I check yes for drugs?........... No, I don't. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2007 1:24:30 PM |
But you cannot honestly justify smoking an illegal drug compared to indulging in a hot bubble bath, reading a book, jogging, etc. (other things legal to get you thru that stress filled day).
i agree, it cannot be honestly justified because those other things pale in comparison! ;) | |
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Posted: 8/6/2007 1:33:59 PM | Yes, but Im much HEALTHIER because Id rather have a hot bubble bath. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2007 1:44:03 PM | | i don't know there are a lot of pollutants in our water that absorb through the skin not to mention the chemicals that bubble bath soap is made with. perhaps if it was hemp bubble bath i would agree. :P | |
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Posted: 8/6/2007 2:26:05 PM | Disneymom, thanks for the kudos! Yup, the last toke was friday. the only thing that sucks is I CAN'T SLEEP!! I lay in bed looking at the ceiling--my past habit was a few bowls before bed to make me sleepy, as I am a chronic insomniac. So that's the down side, upside is my house is freakin' gleaming! I'm gonna head to dollarama and pick up some stuff to make bracelets and stuff, a suggestion from my best friend, you know, to keep the hands busy :)
All and all though, I am damn proud of myself :) maybe one day I can go back to just smoking on the weekends, but for now it's none for me, until I learn about moderation lol. thanks again for the support :) | |
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Posted: 8/6/2007 3:14:59 PM | Your welcome. And you should be proud of yourself! ;o)
My ex used to complain that he couldnt sleep unless he got high. (another excuse). Im not saying its your excuse, but Ive just found, in MY dealings, EVERYTHING becomes a reason to smoke. If you have problems sleeping, go to your doctor and see what tips he/she can give you. | |
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Posted: 8/6/2007 9:21:44 PM | | You know you're right, alcohol does take much longer to cause MAJOR damage...takes a little bit longer to break up your family and your marriage, because it's a little easier to hide for a much longer time...takes a little longer for most to wrap their car around a lamppost because they don't get caught the first time they drive that drunk.....and it also takes much longer for chirrosis to finally catch you and much longer for that long, slow agonizing death.... | |
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