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Posted: 4/11/2005 7:08:13 AM | I'm completely in awe of the really good mics, especially the custom made ones. I'll probably never afford the $4000 to $10,000 for one though. I DO have the pleasure of getting to use some of them on a regular basis though.
The nicest one I have in my studio at home, is a Sennhieser MD 441, an industry standard for over 25 years. I think I paid $400 for it, used ..... I've had it for over a decade. Great for recording and tough enough to drop so you can gig with it.
A lot of companies are producing "Pro-Looking" mics now for really cheap, ....most of these suck large, especially Audix, Marshall, MXL, Oktava, SE Electronics, CAD, etc.
They all have a few things in common, ....they look b!tchin' cool, .....are way cheap, .........and sound like ss.
With the popularity of "home studios" the market is flooded with these pieces of crap, so -
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Posted: 4/11/2005 7:15:18 PM | Ok,,,you guys are making my head hurt--LOL!
Really just want to get a few of my personal arrangements recorded (cheaply) at this point.
I had some stuff recorded years ago on a 4-track cassette recorder--yeah, you guessed it,,sounded like crap. So, I'm taking the advice given here,,, going to do some shopping around and see what I can do. Also, I think it would help me to refine the arrangements by hearing it played back--also opinions and objective criticism from others. I really appreciate the advice from you pros,,believe it...! Thanks for your time and advice, Late and Guitarman.
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Posted: 4/11/2005 7:37:11 PM | Man, ....I've been doin' this stuff for a while....
I wore out 3 TEAC A3340 reel to reel 4 track-decks between '76 and '85, and killed an Otari half-inch 8 track reel to reel in the '90s .........got lot's to share if you want to avoid "the mistakes".
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Posted: 4/11/2005 8:04:07 PM | LATE
Happy bday dude. 43 eh!!!
40's is like been there done that but eh let's do it again.
i just hit 40 ah feeling it too.lol.
started out seeing zappa 15 muddy water;s at 16 john lee hooker freak by 17yrs of age.
Keep keeping the faith.
on topic.
dude asked me ,about home recording .what do i need.and i said dig or no.u can't go on the
cheap for mic's.
so it is worth it to pay a studio with a audio engineer with some killer mic's the cash then
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Posted: 4/12/2005 4:27:58 PM | Happy Birthday Late!
Hey, heard about a small, local studio that's supposed to be reasonably priced. Will talk with them tomorrow and get the details. I figure it would be worth it to have a professional involved. My past recordings sounded really "tinny",,,and kind of like there was water in your ear(imagine old AM radio sound)--LMAO! Although, I'm still interested in the mic aspect--couldn't hurt to have a decent one for acoustic stuff. Thanks!
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Posted: 4/13/2005 12:52:48 AM | well
yes recording can be cheap with the advent of inexpensive recording gear
coming out
if you are going to record at a studio check out the dudes demos to see if he has the ear
on getting gear for yourself
if you are wanting to record periodically
then make the plunge and get some gear
there is some amazing gear out there now on the cheap
(as in good enough to make a cd )
it is all in the way you do it
if you have a budget i can give you recommendations
technology is moving sooooooooooo fast
so the quality of well chosen home studio gear can give amazing results
I mean I read all these recording manuels written between 1978 -1995
and these pros are recommending $2000 neumann mics........for example
in 2005 you can buy something that sounds SIMILIAR not exact but SIMILIAR
FOR $200
IT IS 2005
it is a new game out there
I had to take the recording books info with a grain of salt cause
times have really changed !!!!!!!!!
and if I listened to them I would have only a couple mics
cause that is all I could afford on there list
I own a recording studio and charge clients to record here
and have done entire albums here for clients
and they sound GOOD
It is decent equipment and experience
if you have a budget of $600-$1000
and a home computer you can make recordings at home that will fool your friends
into thinking it was done by a "pro"
I am not saying it will be a million $ production
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Posted: 4/13/2005 8:56:28 AM | it seems that the easy user dig recorders sound like crap.i had the roland
and a yamaha.the worthwhile ones come with a large learning curve[huge manual].=money and time better spent in a pro studio.
also if u are a praticing musician time better spent praticing.lol.
i prefer my analog teac reel to reel.
a freind spent 100,000 dollars building a studio
Think i will go hang at his house.
and he still has to borrow the really good mic,s.
beginer's tip
MAC. G4. PRO TOOLS.
GOOD MIC,S.
amp simulater's mic simulater's never got me anywhere while trying to record direct
bassically cause i had no time for the learning curve[big manual].
seems analog is almost gone.so u gotta pay the computer dudes but at today's rates roughly 35 dollars an hour.not bad.
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Posted: 4/13/2005 1:05:43 PM |
$2000 neumann mics........for example
in 2005 you can buy something that sounds SIMILIAR not exact but SIMILIAR
FOR $200
Begin rant:
No $200 mic on the planet is gonna' even smell like a U67 or similar tube mic, the closest you'll get on the cheap is still about $1k USD. ......with mics you still get what you pay for. Just the transformer component in a decent "pro" mic costs around $200.......
There's more crap and polished turds out there now then there ever was, that's the raw truth about "2005". They get away with it 'cause EVERYBODY and their cousin has a "recording studio" now.....
There's never been a time when a bigger consumer market meant cheaper-better products, the corporate model is to "dumb-down" the consumer.
If a piece of recording equipment is available in every music store, ....it's probably crap. There are rare exceptions, but few and far between.
I work for a guy that's such a mic-nazi, producers, engineers and even frickin' mic companies go to him for evaluating mics, pre's, compressors, EQ's, etc.
He evaluates gear for guys like Jeffry Lesser (Lou Reed, The Chieftans, Barbara Striesand,etc.,
...just picked up an Acadamy award for the sound on Lord of the Rings), Daniel Lanois (U2, Peter Gabriel, Bob Dylan, many others), and a long list of other world class producers. Not to mention guys that hand-built pro stuff like Phil Bova.
He's the guy I listen to........not books, certainly not "recording magazines", ......they're just ad rags shilling polished turds. The only thing "new and improved" about 2005 is the profit margins of the electronics companies that flood the market with dreck.
I've heard it with my own ears, (+/- 30 years exp. recording) and seen it with my own eyes on the meters run through a Neve desk, .....no comparison, no similarities between a "proven" U67 and ANYTHING that goes for under $4000. The closest you're going to get to "SIMILAR" to a U67 is a hand built Korby KAT 4 with a 67M capsule (if you have to ask how much it costs???? ...... hell! if you can find a KAT 4 for $4000, you got it at half price.)
There's even many lousy $3000+ tube mics out there....... it's all about dynamic range, bandwidth and sensitivity and 100% discreet componants down-line. Aside from limited production custom builders, the only "pro" big price-big names doing anything "new" worth considering are still Neuman and Telefunken.
At the low-end of "pro" mics, the best bang-for-buck according to the best ears in the biz (for "SIMILAR") is the Groove-Tubes GT67 tube mic at $1k, ....don't even bother with any other GT mics, they just lucked out with this one.
The fact is, most folks don't have the ears, or the analog front-end to handle what a top shelf mic can put out. Here's an important point. The mic/mic-pre is the weakest link, making a decent pre (no, not the dreck you find in the music store), as much of a priority as the mic, .....even a low-end "pro" one is worth getting, it will make everything sound better.
A simple one-knob entry level, single channel pre with (at least) Peter Jensen transformers and 100% discrete circuitry is going to set you back 'bout $500, ...if you're lucky.
At $469 USD there's nothing at the $500 point around better than Phil Bova's SE-Pre-1 -
(www) sageelectronics.com/pressreleases/sepre1.html
If you're serious about even a "hobby" set-up, save up $1.5k and get a GT67 and a decent discrete pre, .....they will allow you to come "close". Of course, if you don't have decent reference monitors, you better save up at least another $1k.
Those three things are so important, .....nothing matters as much, ....not even the mixer, ESPECIALLY not outboard effects toys.
Anybody recording their work has to ask themselves, "What's my music WORTH?"
a home computer you can make recordings at home that will fool your friends
into thinking it was done by a "pro"
This is true, but it's due to the sad reality that the state of the art is in the gutter production-wise. Very few have the ears to hear what's missing anymore so, yeah.... it WILL fool your friends.
The last 20 years have seen the state of the art go right down the toilet. You're right "this is 2005", .... it can be done on the cheap, .....it "might" sound "okay" as long as you don't compare it to anything good.
End Rant:
Jaxtuff - I'm still interested in the mic aspect--couldn't hurt to have a decent one for acoustic stuff.
Some advice:
-Tracking just one piece of the puzzle, rule #1 is: get the signal to the recording media as direct as possible, #2 if you have to eq? you screwed up the mic placement or haven't dialed the amp or guitar in right, #3 if you have to compress or limit? you screwed up on the mic placement, #4 if you think you can "fix it in the mix" you're fooling yourself, #5 any device in between the mic/pre and the AD/DA and/or recording media can only "take away" signal, #6 when tracking you want ALL the signal, you can't add ANY back later.
Make sure it sounds fabulous at the tracking stage 'cause that's as good as it's ever going to sound, mixing and mastering, while necessary evils? .....ALWAYS degrade the signal, end of story.
-The next piece of the puzzle is mixing, .......don't bother getting fancy here, keep it simple and don't load bandwidth into any one spot of the freq. spectrum, avoid EQ if you can, avoid compression IF you can and add 'verb ONLY if you must, make sure you eq the 'verb, not the dry signal. A well recorded track needs almost no 'verb. Only add effects if you want a specific "sound effect", anything you add to raw signal is only going to suck tone from it.
-Summing and Mastering, ........here's where getting it right in the tracking stage pays off, here's where you want compression (google the RNC compressor, this's one -$200 piece of equipment that's not half bad). EQ with a decent parametric, again ...... careful on the bandwidth, having too much of one freq in the mix will degrade everything, the sweet-spots are ALL in the "mids".
When your finished your track, listen to it for 8 hours straight, rest your ears for a couple of days and listen to it for another 8 hours straight.
Repeat.
Still like it?
Then it's already BETTER than most "pro" recordings out there........ (sorry, that's really not saying much).
Yeah, ....you can do some stuff with a good $200 mic that will fool your friends, but it ain't gonna' be "SIMILAR" to a U67. No offence G-man, but, no way, .......no how. I didn't learn this in any book, I know it from working in studios with as much as a million bucks sunk into gear, most of which you WON'T find in a music store.
If you want to do the hobby thing on the cheap (as in mp3s), get a used '57 or an ATM 41 for $50 and and a cheap Mackie (yuck) mixer (one with at least one channel preamp) learn to use them, you may be able to find a condenser mic at the same price as a REALLY good dynamic mic, but it won't be as versatile, robust or time tested.....and you won't have the gear to have it make that much difference anyway, esp. to the finished mp3.
If you're going to mic an amp? ....being fussy about mic placement IS how you get it right, the best producers EQ at the tracking stage ONLY by moving the mic(s) around, and dialing in the amp. The bonus is, ....you have a mic tuff enough to use in live situations.
Remember this too, ......you have more headroom on ANY mic if you keep the volume down, low watt tube amps, anything 10 watts or under will give you more signal at the end of the mic cable than a cranked marshall stack (too much SPL warps the mic diaphram).
If you really don't plan to go beyond mp3's and you don't like messing around with mic placement and really aren't fussy, get a pod or something similar and be done with it. What ever you do, be aware that because there's such a huge market for recording stuff now, the bar is lower than it's ever been for quality, both for the equipment and the product made from it.
For anybody wanting to get into serious home recording? screw the PC/Mac based DAWs, get a tried and true, Yamaha AW4416 with Apogee AD/DA cards, .....you won't be sorry,
....and with a simple but good quality discreet analog front end, you'll be able to match quality with 99% of what passes for "production qualities" these days,
.....without analog front end? Forget about it........
If it's not that important? throw money away on a used POD, it won't be any worse than even the best $200 mic on the market.
End Advice:
Stevens - he still has to borrow the really good mic,s.
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Posted: 4/13/2005 3:21:11 PM | Well written advice^^^^
(Hey Late,,tell us how you REALLY feel..lmao!--printing out the above page..)
Ok, talked to the studio guy,,,,was less than impressed w/him,,,didn't seem very alert-lol.
But get this,,a contractor that I do work for told me about a guy he knows that has produced/recorded stuff for several local bands.(demos, ep's) So, I'll check into that as well.
At this point, I'd like to simply get some of my stuff recorded,,,but with decent sound quality.
This is a big ol' town, so I should be able to find what I'm looking for. I really appreciate the advice and insights given here, guys-seriously.
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Posted: 4/13/2005 5:00:45 PM | ok
LATE
you are right
completely
I was gearing my advice to the audience ( no disrespect intended)
In my opinion you advice is awesome(I saved it on my drive)
but, a bit ELITIST/NAME DROPPER for this forum
meaning......................
in other words
a guy asks "hey i need a car to get me to work........................ any ideas?"
Late's response..............................
well..............
"I drive a ................
Lexus
it is awesome................. infact there is no other car that will get you to work"
guys response
"well i can not afford that .......I guess i can't get a car..................darn"
Late, I think you are awesome dude
but, do you think recommending some esoteric mega expensive gear
to people who never owned a recording rig in their life
and in all honesty probably just want to record a couple ideas
ie
(real world recording gear budget of $500 of their own money they are willing to spend)
is a great idea??
and at all effective in the ................REAL WORLD?
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Posted: 4/13/2005 5:10:18 PM | u guy's are awesome.
what they got in the water up there?
both ur advice is on the money.
i look at it as u gotta seperate the player's from the engineer.
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musician are just that
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Posted: 4/13/2005 5:16:06 PM | and we all know if u a player then bunch of wires all get in the way
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Posted: 4/13/2005 5:43:11 PM | Late, I think you are awesome dude
but, do you think recommending some esoteric mega expensive gear
to people who never owned a recording rig in their life
and in all honesty probably just want to record a couple ideas
ie
(real world recording gear budget of $500 of their own money they are willing to spend)
is a great idea??
and at all effective in the ................REAL WORLD?
Bro', ....if you read through my whole reply You'd have found this......
If you want to do the hobby thing on the cheap (as in mp3s), get a used '57 or an ATM 41 for $50 and and a cheap Mackie (yuck) mixer (one with at least one channel preamp) learn to use them, you may be able to find a condenser mic at the same price as a REALLY good dynamic mic, but it won't be as versatile, robust or time tested.....and you won't have the gear to have it make that much difference anyway, esp. to the finished mp3.
That's well under $500 ......
The reason I get peeved is that people believe the hype about the "new" gear, .....
If you read carefully I directed my comments about "home recording" and "Pro" seperately.
As for name dropping, .....hey bro' .... I get to check out real studio mics on a regular basis 'cause I work for a guy that's a recognized expert in 'em, .....just establishing some cred.
Much the same as you establishing your cred by saying -
I own a recording studio and charge clients to record here
and have done entire albums here for clients
and they sound GOOD
If you've really have A-B'd a U67 with a $200 mic and found it "SIMILAR"? Then I hafta' wonder, bro'....
I disagree STRONGLY with you on a few things, ....no offense, man.
If you think that was name-dropping? you should see who I know in the "amp biz".
Mics and analog front-end gear are THE most important investment, ....period, for pro or hobby. The rest may change with "technology" but those two things never will. I may have protested a little to strongly for your tastes, ....mebbe' even stepped on your feelings a l'il.
Sorry bro'
........I get like that when someone compares a $200 mic to a Neumann, .....I'm just wired that way.
Right now, I can't afford that kind of gear either, ....I admit that up front, ......doesn't mean I'm in denial about it though.
There's a sign on the door to our studio .......
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Picture a triangle - quality, time, price.
You can choose two of these corners.
If you want it to be good and quick?
It ain't gonna' be cheap
If you want it to be quick and cheap?
It ain't gonna' be good.
If you want it to be cheap and good?
It ain't gonna' be quick
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Sums it up for me.
late™ (musician)
Edit: @ Jax
"It looks just like a Telefunken U47"
Heh heh...... that'd be one crippler of a unit!
The "triangle" sign on the studio door is a quote from FZ
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Posted: 4/13/2005 6:57:40 PM | If you have a home studio, and you want bang for buck?
google "RNC compressor", a $175 dollar piece of gear that will hold it's own with gear 10X the price.
google "SE-pre-1" a great mic pre at under 5 bills.
google "Groove tubes GT67" great mic at $1k, ......closest you will get to the real thing.
google "Radial DI" best direct boxes on the planet for the money (they use Jensen trannies), a Canadian company.
google "Gilmore Jr." a tube amp kit by my buddy Gary Gerhardt, 1/2 watt of tone heaven for under $200 USD (some skill required). Plug this into a 4X12" cab and hear what the mic hears (huge!)
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Posted: 4/13/2005 7:53:51 PM | thanks dude
that is real world advise for people I can dig it
no I have not a/b
the mics.................neumann/audio technica
but, i have a/b ed the sm57
and an audio technica 3035
the 3035 wins everytime
and there is good gear that is being produced today
I am 34 yrs old............... between age where I am still open to new influences and ideas
but understand the stuff that came before and own alot of it too
I had a 54 yr old
"dyed in the wool fender guy" recording here at the studio
he would not even look at something to play through if it was not
"vintage"
f*cking pissed me off because
people get to a certain age and they quit thinking any good
new ideas/gear could possibly occur today
I believe in
if it sounds good it is good (period)
the 54 yr vintage guy
once he quit being so uptight I surprised the sh*t out of him
with certain gear ...............that was not vintage or expensive
as in he preferred it over his vintage stuff and tracked with it
as in when someone listens to a cd they cannot see the label on an amp or a mic
fender ,peavey ,mesa,vht,flint
whatever
so I believe in the best sound for the track and no name dropping
or vintage eliteism
In fact I love taking some piece of gear that someone would turn their nose up at
an get a better /cooler tone out of it then
their vintage/esoteric whatever
If it sounds good it is good............................
of course a neumann /lawson sounds better
but if you cannot buy that then what?
and does a lawson at $5000
sound 25 times better than a $200 audio technica
cause it is 25 times the price
as in I am just being realistic for the average joe
Late I like your advise(total props to you for including a more budget wish list)
I know alot of people that at a certain point just shut off to new ideas
I hope i never do...............................
I encourage people to try lots of gear cheap and expensive
and use your ears.
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Posted: 4/13/2005 8:39:30 PM | Bro' I could care less when "it" was made.
"How" it is/was made is what I'm talking about.
"in when someone listens to a cd they cannot see the label on an amp or a mic
fender ,peavey ,mesa,vht,flint whatever"
Ahhh.... How the guitar player interacts with an amp through "touch" may be inconsequential to the listener, but to the player of an electric guitar?
The amp IS an integral part of the instrument, it's inextricable, might as well tell a classical player that the cedar top on his Ramirez is not important,
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Posted: 4/13/2005 9:06:53 PM | I am not a vintage snob, or a "boutique" snob,
.........I'm a quality snob.
....and I hate hype and B.S., ..........always been that way.
(Hype and B.S. know no "vintage"))
If I can hear it with my ears, I should be able to prove it...... I can.
Bro', you may think it best to tell people, "it's easy and cheap".
It's a kinder gentler philosophy..... yes.
It just doesn't match my reality, ......we agree to disagree.
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Posted: 4/13/2005 11:23:30 PM | we agree to disagree agreeably
I totally understand the player/amp thing
I own almost 20 tube amps
cause I love tube amps
one of my favorites
is a traynor yba-1 bassmaster circa 1968(big transformer)---->$80 AT A PAWNSHOP
MY amptech at Rebel sound modded it to old plexi specs----->$220
total cost ----------------------------------------------->$300 canadian
most purists that come to my studio look at it and go
what you want me to plug into a traynor?
Then I show them how it sh*ts all over there fender/marshall
I always tell people to buy the best gear they can afford
and spend a little more then they can afford and use your ears
then they will be happy
they bought the good stuff
I used to be an elitist
like wanting to spend $4000 on a custom wired guitar head
but it is not really practical
ie
leaving a $4000 guitar head at your rehersal space sucks
cause
you cannot play it at home
and you only play it at "the space"
where it could get stolen
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Posted: 4/14/2005 12:07:43 AM | I used to be an elitist
like wanting to spend $4000 on a custom wired guitar head
I've never liked spending money on stuff.
I did however, learn how to mod and repair amps, and in doing so, learned WHY some were inherently better than others because of quality components and build.
...... I get free prototypes once in a while too, I help design them. There's a difference between informed and elitist.
I still prefer mil-spec wired amps made with good components, lead-dress, and a well thought out circuit. This is more cost intensive than using a mass produced layered printed circuit board, PCB mounted pots, Chinese resistors and caps, ribbon cable and other cost saving ways of mass producing low and mid-cost amps, where a good deal of the cost is in magazine ads.
Not only does a hand wired amp sound better, it's infinitely cheaper to maintain, .....making the long term TCO cheaper.
The fact is, modern amps made with output and PS trannies, made to spec by the lowest bidder, a wave soldered board, and assembly techniques more appropriate to lower voltage applications, will net bigger profit margins for the company that sells 'em. Their design is governed by engineers who answer to accountants, ....not guitar players.
Todays hand wired "boutique" amps are just the modern equivilent of Pete Traynor's YBA-1, which in reality, is nearly identical to a Plexi Marshall. Its a matter of a few resistor values..... for all intents and purposes, ....they're the same circuit. The big difference is the Traynor is probably a better quality build, ....just less well known, ergo, ....less collectable. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2005 12:20:30 AM | yes late
that is why I like it
cause it is a sleeper
I am like you just my specialty is guitars
If you can build them yourself you can have a really good guitar/amp
for not a lot of dough
I would like to learn the amp side of things one day
I have started an aliance with
rebel sound
he custom builds amps/pedals here
we do work for people that can hear/feel the difference
and often a product can be 80% there it just needs tweaking
I still urge you to try that
peavey jsx Joe Satriani head by peavey
awesome high gain head....................late just try one
even though it says Peavey you will be suprised
and at $1400 canadian
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Posted: 4/14/2005 7:35:04 AM | Heh heh.... I would try one bro', but I just don't like high gain amps, I much prefer the harmonic complexity of output stage clipping to pre-amp distortion. I find "front-end" distortion to be more buzzy, less articulate.... not to mention a less well defined "sweet-spot".
Besides, 120 watts .....WAY too much power for my needs.
And, ......no tremolo.
.....Dude, I gotta' have tremolo lo lo lo lo lo lo lo......!
I read a review on the amp in Guitar Player though, basically it's a XXL with a few mods to J. Satriani's taste. Like I said, ...high-gain isn't a priority to me, neither is channel switching, ....I'm a bit ambivilant to EL-34's too, that tube is a little to high-mid heavy for my ears.
My amp-tech guy in Montreal keeps sending me 50 watt high-gain circuits, I still prefer the sound of his low-watt stuff, ....dimed. The high-gain amps he sends tend to go unused, even though they're great amps, they sit in the corner and are forgotten..... no tremolo! (I prefer the output bias modulation type of trem). We have to make a high-gain model though, ...that's what the kids are buying these days.
In the realm of contemporary production amps theough? I agree that Peavey makes a tube amps that are affordable, I think their "Delta Blues" amp is a great value, and sounds REALLY great if you ditch the OEM speaker and swap in a Weber 15" Alnico.
My favourite amp right now is a '60s Gibson GA-15 RVT "Explorer". I picked it up off eBay for $200 and re-capped it myself, I put in 50/50 mf 450V JJ can 'lytic caps, the old ones were, 22/22 mf 300v. This stiffened up the power supply, making the notes jump out a little more, ....a little less sag and absolutely dead quiet, ....no hum.
$4 a piece for the caps, I replaced the AC cable with a salvaged one and just happened to have a pair of Telefunken EL 84s lying around that I picked up for $10 at a flea market (the pair would probably net over $150 on eBay). I also replaced the speaker with a Jensen C-12Q that I got from CE-DIST for about $35 (cheap, yeah I know, but I have OEM status with CE because of the amp company).
$253, .......my kinda' price for a "like-new" amp!
Now if I could just find an Ampeg GU-12 for 2 bills, I'd be a happy camper.
I must admit, the '53 Fender Tweed Deluxe up at the studio has me mesmerized at the moment, that thing just makes my ears hard, ....... a really sweet sounding amp, Gerry picked up a bunch of Fender Tweeds for next to nothing back in the '70s, ......ahhh, what I'd give to have a time-machine and some spendin' money... | |
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Posted: 4/14/2005 2:19:33 PM | yes Late
the time machine........................
I have the same dream every week
i need to learn about re capping amps
and the like
I also have an ampeg b-15 s
portaflex
sounds real cool
all the bass guys love it
I love it for guitar too
the high gain thing....................
I play legato like Joe
Satriani,Allan Holdsworth
so you kinda need the gain for the right sustain | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 1:43:38 AM |  way over my head..
I got a bell and howell mic... it came with the vintage cassette player i got for 5 bucks.. you think that mic is junk? LOL i know it is.
I will say this in guitar mans defense if he needs it? LOL.. And I mean no disrespect towards late or anyone..
Everything guitar man has recommended has worked just as he said it would and was affordable. That helps me a lot!
I do understand the hype thing..as late says/ They do the same thing with guitar pedals.. Oh look new… but many times they seem like the same ol same ol in a different box.
Talk amongst your self.. I’ve become vaclempt.(sp?) | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 3:15:36 AM | thanks JIMI
me and Late are good
I have tons of respect for him cause he knows his sh*t
and I know enough about this stuff to know that
I am kind of the inbetween as in I know that stuff is good ,cannot afford it or find it
so I find stuff that is as close as possible
and recommend it to people getting into this stuff
beware of ebay i have spent alot of dough on there
it is like drugs to me | |
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