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Posted: 4/15/2005 9:13:10 AM | I also have an ampeg b-15 s
portaflex
sounds real cool
all the bass guys love it
I love it for guitar too
Yup, this puppy's on a lot of records, .....listen to the bass parts in any Motown music from the early '60s through the '70s ....... James Jamerson, Bob Babbit, Fender bass, ...........b-15 !!!!
Yeah those, "flip-tops" are great for guitar too.
i need to learn about re capping amps
and the like
Just remember this very important fact, guitar amps ESPECIALLY those over 10, 20 watts, have componants inside them that can have the potential to stop your heart with DC current, ...even unplugged. '70s Ampegs, Music Man and Sound City amps can hold on to voltages in excess of 700V!
.....can you say "arc-weld"?
If you want to learn about tube amps, I would suggest building a small low-powered class "A" crunch monster from scratch, many kits are available, and there are online resources and folks that love to help. Check out "ax84.com" for more info about "getting into" amps, if you have "some" knowledge, the usenet group "alt.guitar.amps" is a troll infested on-going flame war, but it's still a fantastic place to get the facts ....
Tell 'em "Dr. Wow" sent you.......
the high gain thing....................
I play legato like Joe
Satriani,Allan Holdsworth
so you kinda need the gain for the right sustain
Hmmmm..... I understand, I still prefer the suatain and "dirt" that comes from saturating the "finals". I see the gain/master volume solution as being an unecessary short-cut for me. Take for example Eric Clapton's tone on the early Cream albums, ......tons of sustain, and crunch known as "woman-tone". No high-gain or master volumes on those Marshalls back then, in the late '60s and in the 70's Randell Smith (mesa) popularized the use of multiple gain stages in the early Boogie amps to emulate this sound at lower volumes. The net result is being able to get an approxamation of this sound at various levels of SPL (this has also been done for years by using a "clean-boost" to "hit" the front end of an amp hard using things like MXR's "Micro-amp", and Boss's "Tube Screamer" with the gain rolled back.
I (and many others) still prefer the harmonic complexity of out-put stage saturation as it's infinitly more controllable by "touch", by using the guitars volume control and picking "attack" to go in and out of the "sweet-spot", to me this is just way more dynamic and expressive ...... unfortunately, the front end (pre-amp) in a guitar amp does not saturate, .....it instead clips the signal giving it a square-wave sound before it hits the finals. This pretty much negates the wonderfully complex harmonic distortion inherent in the interaction of the output tubes/output transformer and the speakers. While not very well known, it's the size and metalurgy used in the output transformer that is the biggest contributor to this "effect".
This is why I do it with lower powered amps, (sometimes with "clean-boost"), two benefits here, the articulation of the notes is preserved (lotsa' dirt, .....you can still differentiate between the notes, no "buzzing bees" tone) and the overall SPL is easier to control at the recording desk or FOH mixer in live situations.....
There are a few amps that would probably be more suited to your needs if you want to be able to do this at varying degrees of SPL, the "Guytron" comes to mind, it's a 100 watt amp that the designer placed a class "A" EL 84 based power amp with a line level transformer IN BETWEEN the preamp and power amp section of the amp, ........best o' both worlds if you don't want to rely on FOH for your stage and house levels.
I am kind of the inbetween as in I know that stuff is good ,cannot afford it or find it
so I find stuff that is as close as possible
and recommend it to people getting into this stuff
I understand this and applaud your motives. I too am in the "cannot afford" category for most things, luckily, there are ways to do "high quality" on the cheap, the best ways, unfortunately, .....are not common knowledge sometimes, especially in magazines and such that rely on ad revenue to pay for their groceries ........ This is why people often buy into the hype.
Trust me, I have been at this since dirt was rocks, and in 36+ years, ....I have seen a lot of "new and improved" stuff come and go.....
A lot of guys that suffer from G.A.S. sink a LOT of money into the latest gizmos and trends, which BTW, almost never hold their value.
I try to make sure that an informed perspective that isn't as well known, ...is represented. Yes, there is sometimes a lot of HYPE surrounding "vintage gear" and "old ways", but there's also the facts, and what can be heard with the ears, felt with the fingers, and even seen on an osilloscope.
Put it this way, a guy that spends $700 in a year on toys, can instead, opt to buy a vintage amp or two (no, not necessarily one of the "holy Grails", that WOULD be hype), that, unlike those toys, ........will be worth more the next year.
For example, ...my $200 CDN '60s GA-15 RVT Gibson tube amp........
BTW, Gibson sells a new and improved (nothing to do with the original and superior circuit, it's basically a repackaged Velocette), GA-15RV (No dammed T, where's the trem!?) for around $1200 CDN
Talk about frickin' HYPE!
There are also a lot of "boutique" amps and hand built products being made in tried and true ways that ARE affordable, for example: The, Se-pre-1 mic preamp, the Gerhardt "Gilmore Jr." amp kit, or even the entirely new technology of the "RNC compressor".
Yeah, I may come across as the "grumpy old guy" sometimes, that's because I get peeved when I see people throwing money away on something because they think it's their only option.
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Posted: 4/15/2005 4:26:08 PM | Late I saved all of your info on my computer
cause it is on the money
my custom guitar shop is growing
and I would like to learn the amp side too ..........
a natural progression I figure
thanks for the info bro
I like power tube distortion too
I use a thd hot plate to attenuate the amp it would be way too loud
for a "just jamming situation"
You mentioned the weber attenuator I will look in to that too | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 5:09:03 PM | Yeah, just remember when using the attenuators......
If you ARE running your amp "full-out", ....it's gonna eat tubes and toast trannies the same as it would if the attenuators wasn't there. Also, ....beware of "fly-back", .... if a power tube or socket developes a short while the amp is attenuated (common, due to having a purely resistive load on it), ....bye bye output transformer (and more), the single most expensive component in the amp.
If you are only dialing in a tiny fraction of "load" you should have no problems, unfortunately some guys run the amp wide open and fully clamped with the load ....... recipe for disaster.
The Ted Weber's "MASS" is different because it's a "reactive load", in fact it uses a "cone-less" speaker, ......a lot less "tone-suck" then with the normal resistive load attenuators too.
As far as amp techs are concerned, I know a LOT of 'em, .......only a few really have the "goods", ya' dig? ....... heh heh, I tend NOT to trust the ones under 50 y/o.
Books to get -
The "London Power" series from Kevin O'Connor
RCA "Receiving Tubes RC-30"
GE "Essential Chartacteristics .... no later than 1962"
RCA "Radiotron Designer's Handbook" also as late an edition as possible, 4th if you can.
"How To Service Your Own Tube Amplifier" by Tom Mitchell
Search second-hand book stores for older books on schematics, electronics, etc.
......Don't bother with Dan Torres, Gerald Weber or Aspen Pittman's stuff ....they're all fulla' crap.
You're going to have to spend around $4000 for the basic bench equipment too, .....not a "cheap" undertaking by any stretch. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 6:20:41 PM | | It’s all good fellas.. I value both your advise very much And your bother great guys. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 6:40:42 PM | I'm chiming in a little off subject, but mannnn.... I played an awesome 310 series Taylor the other day.. What a beautiful acoustic that cutaway is..
1100 or so and I'd toss my martin in the closet! | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 7:03:17 PM | | Taylors are great, the greatest "neck-joint" in the biz. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 7:06:21 PM | | yeah.. it's a shame something like $$ is what's in the way from getting me one.. I'd treat that thing like a small child.. wow | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 7:52:38 PM | that's not a bad idea, actually.. My martin is the best playing DM model I've ever held. Everyone who plays it is astounded, especially people who know guitars. Unfortunately, despite how good it plays, my pickup modification hasn't improved the price any. At best value, I could only get 5 or 6 hundred for it, I imagine. I've had it for three years or so now and it's taken a learners beating. I grew up alot on that guitar and the marks are there to show for it. Even getting max value out of my basemodel Martin, I've still got too large a gap to travel.. right now anyways..
I could trade my p200 yamaha piano in, but that isn't quite a fair trade.. That cost a pretty penny a while back, plus, I've already got 3 guitars and just 1 piano..
not a bad thought though, late.. I should take guitarman's advice and build my own!!! Something tells me I would come up a little short on quality from a taylor
Are solid body electrics tougher to build than acoustic guitars? I would assume so, but I have no frame of reference.. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 8:20:44 PM | | ,<<<<<<< did someone say taylor | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 8:22:00 PM | <~~~~~~jealous!
I got a Art & Lutherie a candian made cedar top...
*****( a few post back i said brother... i ment both)***** | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 8:26:06 PM | got a pic? i just snap that shot of my taylor now to show it off
Martins are better for some thing,s
this taylor i like for the cutaway and the fishmen | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 8:56:58 PM | ^^^sweet guitar, Stevens^^^
Here's an oldy for ya<<<--'56 Gibson ES225T | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 9:33:11 PM | <----------
here is a picture of my ass
just kidding
I have a 7 string cutaway acoustic made by ibanez
it is ok
more a novelyt
acoustics are way harder to make | |
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Posted: 4/15/2005 9:53:13 PM | I love the Taylor 300 series, .....mahogany bodied acoustics sound the best to me. I have access to a '59 Martin D-18 that I'd kill for, ....I first plyed it when I was around 8 y/o, ....it belongs to my aunt.
She won't let me have it (sob).
I don't like the new Martins as much as the Taylors I've tried, ......though, .........I've never played a sweeter acoustic than that '59 D-18.
If I had an acoustic, ....I'd definitely go with a Sunrise pick-up w/a Pendulum preamp, ....that's as good as it gets, ....kinda' makes the brand of piezo inconsequential...... (piezos NEVER sound good, there's something missing.......)
Nothing better in the world than this -
sunrisepickups.com
6 week back order, if you can't wait, I may "know" somebody........
Love that ES-250T Jax...... I have a pic of me playing a '62 ES-125 somewhere but I'm too lazy to upload it. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2005 3:24:00 AM | <<<< guild starfire very lat 60's early 70's was blue and no dimarzio's
i did all the work my pet project.
jaxtuff love that gibson.
the guild was my attempt to have like a hot rod 125.LOL. | |
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Posted: 4/16/2005 5:36:02 AM | LOVE the 2 guitars above,,wow^^^
Thanks again, Guitarman,,,for the feedback advice with my Gibson (months ago!-lol) | |
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Posted: 4/16/2005 6:13:06 AM | Noodler asked:
"Are solid body electrics tougher to build than acoustic guitars? I would assume so, but I have no frame of reference.."
--Saw a film about a family of luthiers in Mexico a while back,,omg, the work that goes into their guitars! Amazing. Every guitar they make/build/create is unique. Almost every process was done with hand tools-no mass production. What really made me appreciate the film was the love and dedication this family builds into their guitars. The pride they take in creating these works of art. Their committment to excellence. I'd want one of these guitars even if I didn't play--they're THAT beautiful. I'll try to get the name and info on the film, I think every player here would really enjoy it. (heck, even anyone that works with wood SHOULD see this film!--I do, and was completely impressed) | |
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Posted: 4/16/2005 8:51:21 AM | I've built solid-body electrics, no comparison to constructing an acoustic.
Many companies supply pre-fabricated necks and bodies for (mostly) bolt-on "Fender" style guitars.
- Warmoth
- WD
- Mighty Might
- Stew-Mac
- Lasido
- Tons more.........
I built my bass using a Bob Summers body (late '70s) and a Warmoth neck. My main strat has a MIJ 62 RI Left Handed neck and an authentic '58 Fender Strat body, pickups off a Strat Ultra and Right handed MIJ 62 RI trem.......... that's 4 Strats in one!
You can buy pre-cut blank parts for acoustic guitars from Stew-Mac, but, .....the assembly requires a lot more skill.
I want to build an archtop some day.
@ Stevens - Love that Starfire!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 4/16/2005 11:13:40 AM | i love the vintage guitar's
i like some paul reed smith guitar,s.had a awesome one ,
Now most of my axes are at my tech's place;vintage tele
cherry red 66 SG with the bigsby tailpeice. . a all maple les paul.i was robbed my fning house brokin into.
it will change ur outlook on thing,s after u come home find some of ur babies gone into who know's hands and the cops give u not much help then u start lookin at so called freinds differently.
is funny the guy i was out with that night i had not seen in years and the only guitar that was not stolen was the one i had with me that night.i cannot stop thinking.
maybe?i was setup?that would suk.
hm. and that was my taylor
thk god for the lil thing's.lol | |
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Posted: 4/16/2005 1:08:30 PM | (I feel like I'm on nickelodeon talking to people from inside my locker)
hey late, you were talking about sunrise pickups and pendelum preamps.. thanks for the website, I'll have to go check that stuff out. I'm curious if you've played the new model martins with the mic/pick up thing they've got going on. I've got no clue what they call their system, but that's only because I haven't looked it up. Is this new gig they're pushing 90% gimic or is it the new direction that we can expect to see for quite some time to come? | |
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Posted: 4/16/2005 4:20:29 PM | Y'know? ..I haven't checked out a lot of acoustic guitars in the last few years, ........I gave up. I sooooo... fell in love with my aunts D-18 that everything I've tried just pisses me off, .....the Taylers come closest though. As for peizo pups, ....it's the physics of them that's there shortfall, they're "pressure" based, so sound is transfered through a solid. Magnetic pups have a better dynamic responce but lack the harmonic content so the combination of the two seems to be the way to go.
Internal mics have other problems, reflection, standing waves, phase cancellation.......(sheesh).
Then there's the "studio mics", ......the really good kind, a large diaphram tube mic set to omni about a foot from the bridge and a couple of cartoid condensors aimed at the 14th fret at 90 degrees to each other.
If the mics are good enough, they hear what the ears hear.........
Perfect!
But what do you do live?
Well, the best I've ever heard is the Sunrise and an LR Baggs, through a Pendulum pre-amp, or a Rupert Neve pre, .... into a 800w QSC and two BagEnd cabs and a BagEnd 500w sub. Add a coupla' '57's up front for FOH and it's magic.
....all well and good if you have the budget for it.
On the cheap? .......a decent magnetic pup in conjunction with a stock piezo and pre, hopefully with a good pre...... and you'll come close for live.
Piezo alone?
FEH!
Add a good mic to this recipe for recording, a '57 aimed at the 14th is a good bet on the cheap.
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Posted: 4/16/2005 5:14:42 PM | in my 7 string I have a
sunrise pickup in the soundhole(great for mids and bass and lotsa output)
and seymour sound spots by the bridge for highs(not totally sold on the spots)
the 2 signals run into a little mixer I have
cheap berhringer $85 -----mackie 1202 copy
with a alesis microverb in the effects loop
a great live set-up that offers the player alot of control and not too much $$$$$$$$$$
yes the dual pickup is the way to go live
until they come up with better stuff | |
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Posted: 4/16/2005 5:30:30 PM | Oh man!!!! pop that combo through a really nice dual pre-amp and you'll mess your pants.
"entry-level" pro -
pendulumaudio.com/MDP-1.html
$3000 and a huge laundry bill.......... CDN
pendulumaudio.com/QuartetII.html
......if you got the bucks..... $6k+ CDN
On the cheap? -
fmraudio.com/RNP8380.htm
5 bills USD, From the makers of the RNC compressor | |
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Posted: 4/16/2005 5:32:04 PM | I got a question..
Do you think toughs wall mounted guitar holders are bad for your guitar?.. They hang by the neck.. Seems my acoustic goes out of tune more when hanging on that. | |
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