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Posted: 6/30/2005 2:03:02 PM | | hey i appreciate the elderly instruments tip off. i found my tuners there. love the internet. | |
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Posted: 7/1/2005 12:21:44 AM | user
If you are replacing the tuners
get ones that are the same or will not create any new holes on the gibson
If you won't sell that is cool
but your kids will thank me  | |
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Posted: 7/5/2005 8:35:21 PM | Rather than start ANOTHER guitar thread.. I thought (since it has been 3 days since last posting here), that I would take it in the direction of... Favorite guitars!
1. Electric - I LOVED my ES335. I really did..
2. Western Acoustic - I like almost anything by Ovation..
3. Classic Acoustic - Same.. | |
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Posted: 7/5/2005 10:20:22 PM | hmm... favorite guitars?
1) 1992 Rickenbacker 4003 5 string.... no longer own, ex sold it...
2) Peavy Cirrus 6 String Bass
3) 1972 Fender Precision Fretless Bass. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2005 6:42:02 PM | 1) '58 Strat (still have the body, neck long gone, .....has a lefty MIJ 62 RI neck, ....I like it better now)
2) '67 Yamaha AE-11 (The first archtop they made, recording engineers melt at the tone this thing has, ....even DI'd)
3) '59 Martin D18 (My aunt's, ....I've never played a flat-top that came close)
4) '79 Yamaha SA-800 (dot 335 style), ......like buttah.
5) My custom fretless bass Bob Summers/Warmoth. | |
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Posted: 7/8/2005 1:47:59 AM | my favorites
the classic lines of a strat
with a floyd/humbucker in the bridge
-a guitar I just got
by a luthier that just die
it is kinda line a prs with f hole and a deep body
w/evans pickups in it | |
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Posted: 7/8/2005 4:25:59 AM | | Hi Dude, Those seem to be top choices these days too. When I worked at Peavey my buds there that played Bass favored Mesa, GK, and Ampeg Amps as well. And some are still into the Spector Basses left over from the 80's....HAHA | |
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Posted: 7/8/2005 10:07:51 AM | By the production records, I believe there are about 1700 1958-1960 Les Pauls out there with varying degrees of wear, originality, patina and flame in the top. I've seen the go from $30K for refinshed or repaired/unoriginal to $250K for non-celebrity, totally flamed out guitars. They were the first truly collectable guitars when Bloomfield and later Page etc. picked them up and discovered that these guitars made a mighty roar when slammed through a Marshall. Sadly most of the best examples are now in vaults in Japan.
Fenders were much more plentiful and are easily faked with the bolt on nature of their parts. It is estimated that somewhere along the lines of 20% of vintage Fenders are faked or "re-originalized" with period correct parts. That is not to say that there aren't fake gibsons. I've seen 53 les Pauls re-topped, antiqued PAF'ed and sold as "a '59 Les Paul".
The price categories go back to the 40's and 50's. Gibsons were THE guitars to have and most other brands (with exceptions like D'Angelico's/D'Aquistos) were looked down upon.
Gibson has always marketed themselves as the cream of the crop. The bolt on Fenders, which I belive were about $50-80 cheaper in list prices have always been marketed down as compared to Gibsons. This plus the finite numbers of Les Pauls drives the price way up.
Plus if you want an American to build your guitar, you will pay a premium.
Personally, I have a bunch of Les Pauls and I love'em, but I use a $200 Fender made in Mexico. I truly believe that some othe instruments being made in Mexico are closer to what Fender made in the 50's than all these laser guided re-issues. Part of my decision is safety. idon't want to play a show and be relieved of my RI Les Paul or my handmade Shulte replica by some scumbag with a drug problem. (PS I'm owrking a P.T.C.) | |
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Posted: 7/8/2005 11:59:44 AM | SUPERSOMMA
wow dude you are hardcore vintage
that is very cool
I respect vintage ........
as a guitar builder I think of guitars as a tool.....................
ie
A good hammer is a good hammer
circa 1950 or 2005 ......still does the job
I know you feel that way too to a degree
I just think "Vintage pricing" is totaly ridiculous | |
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Posted: 7/8/2005 1:36:56 PM | I fully agree on all points.
When I started playing it was fairly apparent to me that old guitars were definitely better. New guitars were crap in the eighties. A Jap Bullet Strat was better than a standard IMO in 1986.
Now, I think that foreign competition and private luthiers have done guitarists a great service by improving their products and forcing the big guys to get better.Suddenly the guy down your street was making better guitars than Gibson!!! Are they all the way there? No. But I think you are better off buying a new guitar than you were 20 years ago.
The pricing is on vintage outrageous and ebay has done nothing but contibute to this crazy market. Suddenly , these auctions are 'the market'. If these auctions are won by hardcore, I must have it bid the max bid zealots, everything goes out the window.
I've noticed that the average price of an original flying V used to be well over 100K. Now you can pick on up for as little(relatively speaking here) as $40k. It will not be a perfect example, but hell less than 100 were made. This a case where the lust overcomes the logic.
I am a guitar freak. I love it.
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Posted: 7/9/2005 5:22:22 AM | yes supersomma I too am a guitarfreak
I love "the idea" of vintage
but I think at that price point that is not an instrument that you are going to play much
I think I would rather custom build a flying v that looks just like the old
korina ones "like Hamer did "
and buy a classic car with the extra money
68-69 convertible Mustang/Camero(this is not a car thread) do not get any ideas
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Posted: 7/9/2005 6:00:47 AM | I was at the Guitar Center in L.A on the Sunset Strip(The main one)
I would hang-out in the vintage section
They had lots of amazing Instruments with years listed under each
Old GIBSONS,50's FENDERS etc
$10.000-25.000
A DREAM !!!!!!!!!!!
I played many of them.......... some were awesome, some ok
But, I was generally UNDERWELMED
i.e.
I feel that I could reproduce/make better guitars then many of the instruments I played
there
Once a person becomes a real guitar builder you are able to dissect the qualities of an instruments and reproduce those qualities.
There becomes alot less mystic Vintage voodoo out there then you may think.......
I am more in awe of classic tube amps......... because, I do not build them
but
a boutique tube amp builder
may look at an old plexi and go
"nice.............nice platform to start from ........but, what can I do to make this even cooler"
SUPERSOMMA
I highly suggest you learn to build guitars
It is like that movie "wierd science".........where they make the perfect women on there computer and she comes to life...........
It is kinda like that..........
I have studied luthiery for years and, it is the real deal
I hung out in LA at the custom shops ,talked to the owners and they all think
Vintage is abit of a sham
but, that is why they own custom shops not vintage stores
 I have a bit of a rule........... goes like this:
If I am trying a guitar ,and the sales person has to come to me and tell me
"a big long story "
about why it is soooooooo expensive
i.e.
-They only made 100
-there are only 3 that were orange that year
-Leo Fender sneezed on it
................etc
IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
---------------------JUST MY OPINION-----------------------------
A guitar is a tool
If that sales person was showing you a really nice hammer
and he said
"sir, this was made in 1958............only 3 were made that year. Orville Gibson
actually might have used it to pound in a nail or two. this is why this hammer is $3000 us"
would you buy it ?
Is it worth $3000............and if so why?
when you can buy the best hammer today for $30 and it will last a lifetime............
(that is just me though)
I like looking at pictures of vintage guitars though
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Posted: 7/9/2005 9:17:19 AM | | Very interesting reading here guys! Ive tried some of the low end Fender Basses, and, IMO only havent liked them. But, quite a few of my friends who play 6 sting guitar have said they really love the cheap Fenders. Companies like Ibanez and Washburn though have made what to me is very playable and good sounding lower end Basses. My mainstay right now is a Peavey Grind bolt-on,(5 string) and is one of the imported "Grind" basses. Bought it through a well known catalog company last year that had a few of these basses they were selling as "factory refurbs." I went to our local music store here, and was very pleased when they had a few of these I could play. Found them to be very good sounding basses, and took the chance and ordered one through the catalog. Ive always hated to do this by the way, as I like to hear the bass without it being "amplified," and also each piece of wood naturally has its own charasteristics and playability. By the way, this guitar retailed somewhere in the area of 649, and bought this for 249. About the only playing out I do anymore is open mic nights, and a lot of the guys who were playing very high end Ernie Balls, Warwicks, and Tobias basses were totally floored by the sound of this bass. And recently, that was with 15 month old strings on them. Just thought I would put some input in from a bass players standpoint. And as a friend of mine once said..... "you can give a cook $50,000 worth of tools, and the lumber to go with it, but can he build a house?" | |
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Posted: 7/14/2005 4:26:26 PM | did I stall the guitar thread with my vintage rant ? I hope not
I thought I would of got flamed for sure for the vintage rant............ | |
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Posted: 7/14/2005 5:08:30 PM | | Maybe everybodys been out playing music! lol..... hell, i enjoyed it myself! | |
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Posted: 7/16/2005 8:11:32 PM | I am worried about the concave neck on my 2001 American Stratocaster. I tightened the truss rod but the neck is still too concave and the action too high. I am afraid to tighten the truss rod more, and think about going to a guitar technician in the shop for an adjustment.
Does anyone know, is it possible to damage the neck if you tighten the truss rod too much?
When I first got the guitar the setup was fine and the action was great. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2005 9:00:33 PM |
Does anyone know, is it possible to damage the neck if you tighten the truss rod too much?
When I first got the guitar the setup was fine and the action was great.
It can break the truss rod if over-tightened, a well equiped luthier should have a heat press. Sometimes this works, or,......... it's time to call Warmoth and get a new neck.
Wood goes where it wants to on necks every once in a while, usually this happens in the first 2 or 3 years, but 4 years isn't out of the question. | |
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Posted: 7/16/2005 10:25:41 PM | FUJIANGUY
i AM A GUITAR TECH FOR A LIVING......
yes bring it to a tech the small fee is worth the piece of mind | |
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Posted: 7/18/2005 10:39:06 AM | Hey gents. No I wasn't flamed by the thread, I just went on vacation!
First of all, I don't mean to disrespect anyone out there making a living at a music store, but many don't know what they are talking about. I'll listen to what they have to say, but usually my bullshit filter kicks in and I tune a lot of the banter out. Stories about guitars are usually also bullshit, so I know what you're talking about. They are just trying to justify their high price.
Also, I am often skeptical about vintage guitars. If it was "one of the good ones" why is it for sale?
Just a side note, I'm starting to tinker with guitar repair. I have way too many guitars to pay someone else to do it for me.
Also, (also part of me hates to say this) I've been using guitars as investments. I don't really care about stocks and bonds (I mean I do, but I don't stay up late at night reading them). So, I started buying guitars which I felt would appreciate. I've also scored a bunch of guitars for really cheap and just stored them carefully. I've sold a few, made a nice $$ and re-invested. But the hammer I use, is not the one I collect, if that makes sense. | |
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Posted: 7/18/2005 11:20:30 AM | it make sense to me supersomma
dan erlewine---->stewart macdonald
his stuff is good for guitar repair.......... | |
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Posted: 7/20/2005 4:47:25 PM | Hey Fujian Guy, What guage of string are you using? What climate are you in? Left the guitar in parked car on a hot day recently?
Tightening the truss too much can damage the neck, usually the truss nut will strip first though ( the good ones are brass to avoid stripping the threads of the rod itself)
Worst case you might need a heat press done on the neck to straighten it. Take it in to a tech before you do anything else! | |
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Posted: 7/21/2005 6:50:38 PM | | Thanks, Pavara, I will not try to mess with the truss rod, but will take it to the local Guitar Center technician. | |
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