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Posted: 5/19/2006 7:57:12 PM | I think both of them are sweet
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Posted: 5/20/2006 12:26:36 AM | soldono's are way expensive, as are mesa's
i'm kind of biased against peaveys... bad experiences in the 80's
most of the others i haven't even heard of.
there is a lot of stuff out there.
you try the Carvin Legacy, G-man?
i am looking for a marshall 9001 preamp. wanted a rocktron voodoo valve.
thinkin' of makin' a small tube preamp pedal, and a sustainer.
i bought some old tube hifi stereos off the net to do conversions on solid state combos.
i want a good 6v6 sound. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2006 6:54:25 PM | legacy is nice less gain than some of the ones I mentioned
you should really google the 'rocktron piranha 'dude
and peavey got abad rap in the 80's cause all of us bought the cheap little pratice amps in the 80's
cause we could afford them well we could afford them cause they were cheap
the higher end 'made in usa' stuff is good
trust me dude
joe satriani has been using them in the studio and live...same with steve stevens,eddie van halen,mettallica ,jennifer batten
I don't think the legacy is any better built than a peavey 6505+
check out the amps I mentioned above I know amps I have owned many
google 'peavey penta' | |
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Posted: 5/22/2006 8:37:15 AM | automatically think that "loud players= stupid" or untalented.
Nope, I reserve that for those who don't have the sense to play at the dynamic floor, IF that happens
to be a 7 watt amp, so be it. It's not like a 1500 watt bass amp CAN'T play at that level, or a drummer
CAN'T, play at the level NEEDED.
Big difference......
If the gig/genre/style, requires lots of juice, it requires lots of juice, ...if it's just for "loudness sake"?
When it's drowning out others on the stand? It's stupidity.
It's a shame that the experiences you've had with loud players (or what you've read
out of a magazine)
I've been playing for 39 years, more than 30 years of gigging and studio work as a sideman/hired gun.
The kind of work I do now, I rairly run into guys who don't have ears anymore, they don't last long IF they don't clue in.
I'll be offline for awhile as I'll be at a studio in Val Des Mont, QC full-time for three months working on other
peoples CDs, with a few gigs here and there. Speaking of dynamics, in June I have the pleasure to work
with this guy again, working on a CD of a singer from W. Africa.:
(on the left)
http://www.talkingleaves.com/vested.html
About 5 years ago, doing a soundcheck for a show, Derek DeBeer is sitting in with the band on drums
(he world-toured for 16 years with Savuka, a band from S.Africa he co-founded with Johnny Clegg).
The FOH guy asks, "What do you want in your monitors?"
Derek replies (thick S.African accent), "Just, lead-vocal and acoustic-guitar please", (In other words, just
the front man, there was 5 pc. backing the singer).
FOH guy says, "No snare and kick?"
Derek, "I can hear them perfectly fine from here, thanks". At this point I'm in tears trying not to laugh.
The bass player says to Derek, "Don't you want any bass in the monitors?".
Derek, ...sternly, "NO! in fact, you're MUCH too loud already."
Dynamics is a quality, not a contest.....
Probably the single most "unprofessional" mistake a musician can make (assuming they CAN play), is to play
too loud, ....it means that they're unnaware or unconcerned about the other instruments, ...this is no
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Posted: 5/22/2006 9:11:51 AM | This is an awesome thread but can I be excused for temporarily interrupting the discussion at hand to ask a few questions?
I've been wondering what is the best "affordable" tube amp to use with a Fender Telecaster? I want to buy a Tele in the future and I've been told at a music shop to get a Fender tube amp (duh). But, is it essential? The new ones in stores are very expensive for what you get. I found a used Fender Twin Reverb (I researched it and it's apparently one of the best for clean sounds) but I don't even have the Tele yet. I can't find the ad (it's not up anymore) so it might be sold anyway. I'm not an experienced player by any means so I'm going to stay disciplined and not buy some expensive pro player's amp. However, I'm looking at used so perhaps, I can find a decent tube amp that I can use which would suit even a long-time guitar player?
The other interesting aspect of all this is that I keep seeing Marshall amps (stacks, heads, combos?) at concerts or pics of them involving my favourite bands. Is there a Marshall tube amp that would be decent enough to use with a Fender guitar? I know they are not known for the clean sound (more for distortion and utilization with effects pedals?) but I am interested in a variety of sounds, both clean and distorted. It's not like I didn't try to figure this out on my own, I've been surfing and reading through forums, harmony-central's site and whenever possible reading about the technical aspects of amps and the differences involving Fender and Marshall amps. Other than that, I have found a few ads for tube amps and there are so many choices for Marshall but I have to be careful because some are transistor (i.e. solid state) amps, I think. There have been very few ads for Fender tube amps spotted so far. I did come across a few for Peavy's (Classic 50/60s etc.). What about them?
Anyway, I apologize for the interruption and if I can get some feedback on this, it would be much appreciated. Then, back to your regularly scheduled programming. :-) | |
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Posted: 5/22/2006 9:41:34 AM | This thread has a ton of info on amp purchasing - geared towards specific requirements, spend a bit of
time going through this thread and you'll get a good idea of what's around, and what is a good value.
I've been wondering what is the best "affordable" tube amp to use with a Fender Telecaster? I want
to buy a Tele in the future and I've been told at a music shop to get a Fender tube amp (duh). But, is it
essential?
Nope, in fact it's immaterial.
Probably the best source of amp info in the world is on alt.guitar.amps, a usenet group. While it is
unmoderated (so it has spam, on-going flame-wars, and tons' o' trolls, ...some of the best guys in the
amp biz regularly contribute.
I've been reccomending the Peavey Delta Blues 115 (30w tube combo) to people lately, (yet another person
asking my advice picked one up last Saturday), ...absolutely no complaints to date, and nothing but good
feedback about this amp. They can be found new for around $500. Bang for buck? ...I haven't heard its equal yet.
Almost all tube amps sold these days are built using printed circuit boards (even Fender, Marshall, etc),
only the high-end stuff ("boutique amps" and "name" company's top shelf stuff - Fender/Marshall for example,
have one or two very expensive hand-built amps in their "line up", the rest are mass-produced) is
hand-built anymore. So build quality is fairly consistant from manufacturer to manufacturer... So ignore
magazine ads, etc. and use your ears to decide, not the logo.
While your favorite guitar player may use brand "x", buying the same amp as them won't make you play
or sound like them, unless you already can.
Remember, .....even "pros" sometimes don't look past hype either. | |
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Posted: 5/22/2006 12:29:25 PM | Alex 89
welcome ...........dude can you check or un check(i am not sure which) your
'wordwrap' on your computer it is making your posts really wide
On the amp question
-yes read past pages,tons of good recommendations
-what style do you want to play?
-peavey delta 15 is very nice for the $$$$$,I also like the crate tube combo with the tone tubby speaker in it
Late
excellent posts as usual
sorry to see you will be offline.........maybe try to pop in and tell us about your cd recording adventures | |
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Posted: 5/22/2006 3:10:17 PM | This thread has a ton of info on amp purchasing - geared towards specific requirements, spend a bit of time going through this thread and you'll get a good idea of what's around, and what is a good value.
Yeah, 60-something pages worth! I've been reading through it, believe me.
I have copy/pasted a great deal of it that I found especially useful.
Probably the best source of amp info in the world is on alt.guitar.amps, a usenet group. While it is unmoderated (so it has spam, on-going flame-wars, and tons' o' trolls, ...some of the best guys in the amp biz regularly contribute.
I've gone there before. I'll check it and do a search.
One good thing about usenet.
So ignore magazine ads, etc. and use your ears to decide, not the logo.
Okay, good point.
Don't worry, I'm not swayed by hype.
While your favorite guitar player may use brand "x", buying the same amp as them won't make you play or sound like them, unless you already can.
I can't/couldn't afford the same amp they get so I'm not looking at those. I thought it might be helpful to know about some recommended amps so naming the Peavey Delta Blues 115 is good. Also, even after all the reading and research, I'm not yet certain of which Marshall amps are decent and they seem to be the most plentiful besides Peavy amps. The usenet group should help give me more ideas. Thanks for the advice! | |
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Posted: 5/22/2006 3:32:36 PM | I don't know why the wrapping is so out of whack. I haven't had that problem before. Are you sure it's on my end?
I like a variety of styles so there is no particular one. But, I am particularly fond of instrumental "indie" rock and many of the bands use pedals and/or effects. Right now, though, I am interested in a Tele guitar and a decent tube amp.
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Posted: 5/22/2006 4:21:37 PM | alex89
just hit enter more often
tube marshall heads can be expensive
how much can you spend on the whole amp(honest estimate)?
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Posted: 5/22/2006 10:43:36 PM | @alex
i suggest getting the guitar first.
and a small solid state combo and practice.
take your time finding a tube amp.
these are high maintanence items, and if your looking at used stuff, this can cloud your judgement as tubes age and need to be replaced.
take your time.
we are all on a Tone Quest, looking for that perfect sound, and it usally can't be found in one amp, so as Late and Gman can attest, you end up with a lot of equipment.
carvins and crates have a low resale value, and you can pick them up cheap.
i don't understand why, as they are good amps.
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Posted: 5/23/2006 5:18:14 AM | take your time finding a tube amp.
these are high maintanence items
Electrolytic Capacitors have to be replaced if an amp is older than 10/15 years, or was last serviced then.
Tube or Solid State. Tubes, ...it depends, EL 84s need replacing yearly, if the amp is used at full power
on a daily basis. Other power tubes, and pre-amp tubes can last decades. I use amps that have original
tubes in them, some older than 50 years.
Carvin is a bad choice, as he is in Toronto, Carvin is not as common, or available in Canada. Crate, as far
as "mass-production" goes, tends to be a lower quality build than Peavey, Fender, Marshall, etc. Ampeg
is slightly better than Crate, but is actually made by the same company, SLM, unless the Ampeg is pre-'80s.
First time out, buy new, ...and avoid any maintenance issues. If you start buying used, expect to have to
service some things if they have not yet been serviced. With older amps, they are usually hand wired,
and are easier to service. Most new amps have PC boards, some layered (Crate), that make servicing
a nightmare. Marshalls post '71, Fenders post late '80s, are almost all PC board.
For a first amp, a good rule is to KEEP IT SIMPLE, avoid "bells and whistles" like DSPs and multiple
channels. One thing that many players fail to learn these days is how to get a ton of different tones
using just the guitars controls, and your fingers. If you're just starting out, I feel it's best to focus on
what you can do with your hands, as opposed to what you can switch with your feet.
i bought some old tube hifi stereos off the net to do conversions on solid state combos.
i want a good 6v6 sound.
See the "5E3" Tweed Deluxe kit.
https://weberspeakerscom.secure.powweb.com/store/startpage.html
Lots of links here to other kit suppliers too, like....
http://www.allenamps.com/kits.html
If you have the patience to build a kit amp, use only the highest quality components, and have some skill,
you can build your own $3000+ "Boutique Amp", for under $800, a LOT less if you make your own cab,
turret/eyelet board, chassis, etc.
I've seen amps built from old transformers, a bent piece of metal for a chassis, and literally a
handful of caps, pots (2), resistors, sockets, jacks, and wire, and stuffed into an old beat up combo cab;
that sounded "as good as it gets".
The amp on these "amp demo" clips, probably cost less than $40 to build:
http://homepage.mac.com/ewald/.Music/new1trk3.MP3
http://homepage.mac.com/ewald/.Music/new1trk4.MP3
http://homepage.mac.com/ewald/.Music/new2trk2.MP3
http://homepage.mac.com/ewald/.Music/The_Pin_Strut.mp3
http://homepage.mac.com/ewald/.Music/Answer42.mp3
Two tubes, a 12AX7 and an EL84 ..........1/3 watt approx.
There are tons of resources for those who "homebrew", and if you want it done right? ...do it yourself.
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Posted: 5/23/2006 7:11:22 AM |
get a ton of different tones
using just the guitars controls, and your fingers. If you're just starting out, I feel it's best to focus on
what you can do with your hands, as opposed to what you can switch with your feet.
Well! NOW you're talking!! Absolutely TRUE. | |
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Posted: 5/23/2006 8:37:23 AM | The point being, the ability to play in the "sweet-spot" of a tube amp is a skill, it also requires that the amp be
running close to it's rated spec, which means "full power". Learning how to do this is best done on a low power
amp, period.
Unless you expect to be using a fully cranked 100w stack ALL THE TIME. The option of using pedals is always
there (but isn't the same "tone", ...not even close, ...IF you've been exposed to both techniques enough to know
the difference), but if that's how you learn to get "tone", the chances of learning how to get the guitar/amp/hands technique down are almost nil. And while there are a few styles and genres that don't
require"touch control", ...not acquiring this skill is missing out on a very important "tone palette" in regards to
electric guitar.
Nothin' beats a simple +/- 8w tube amp, with just a volume and tone knob; for learning how to use the "sweet
spot".
This is one of the things that a Solid State amp simply cannot do, ...not because, I say it can't, but because
physics decides this. | |
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Posted: 5/23/2006 8:45:50 AM | Gman:
tube marshall heads can be expensive
how much can you spend on the whole amp(honest estimate)?
I was thinking about 600 bucks. For starters, anyway. I think it should depend
on the amp.
Carvin is a bad choice, as he is in Toronto, Carvin is not as common, or
available in Canada. Crate, as far as "mass-production" goes, tends to be a
lower quality build than Peavey, Fender, Marshall, etc. Ampeg is slightly better
than Crate, but is actually made by the same company, SLM, unless the Ampeg
is pre-'80s.
First time out, buy new, ...and avoid any maintenance issues. If you start buying
used, expect to have to service some things if they have not yet been serviced.
With older amps, they are usually hand wired, and are easier to service.
For a first amp, a good rule is to KEEP IT SIMPLE, avoid "bells and whistles" like
DSPs and multiple channels. One thing that many players fail to learn these days
is how to get a ton of different tones using just the guitars controls, and your
fingers. If you're just starting out, I feel it's best to focus on what you can do with
your hands, as opposed to what you can switch with your feet.
If I'm not mistaken, Crate made (or started to make) Marshall 'copies.' Late's
correct as Carvin is not as common in the Toronto area as other makes. I wasn't
considering either Carvin or Crate. I was going to consider Peavy, Marshall and
Fender as chances are, I can find a half decent tube amp either used or new. If
the older amps are easier to service, isn't that a benefit? After buying one even
if it needs service, wouldn't there be a good chance for a better value than a
brand new amp? Anyway, that is great advice to keep in mind. Thanks!
Just a detour from amps for a minute: I also like Gibson SGs and their sound. I
wasn't considering the replicas like Epiphones or Ibanezes since I had the
impression they were cheap copies in comparison (maybe not Ibanez's versions?).
What do you think, gman? One other thing, what do you think of buying guitars
on ebay? You can't try them but there is a good selection you can't get from the
classifieds or the stores (I'm talking selection keeping price into consideration).
I'd be looking to buy one on ebay if it's a tele (the ones in the stores are
expensive and there's very little selection) and the SG copy choices are okay but
I'm not sure if epiphones or Ibanez are worth the price compared to the selection
you'd get from ebay. The main problem is the shipping cost and not being able
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Posted: 5/23/2006 9:05:15 AM | If I'm not mistaken, Crate made (or started to make) Marshall 'copies.'
No, ....actually the first Marshalls, the ones that had the "Marshall" sound, were almost identical to
the '50s Fender Bassman, Leo himself got the circuit from a Western Electric tube circuit book and
changed a few things to make it work with guitar pickups. Back in the "old-days", Leo Fender got his
circuits from tube manuals. Jim Marshall took the Bassman circuit, changed a few resistors, used different
parts suppliers and basically cloned it. BTW, neither Jim or Leo ever played guitar.
Crate started out making really crappy solid state amps in the '70s, and was parlayed into St. Louis Music
A big company that owns a few amp lines, i.e. Ampeg (in name only).
I was going to consider Peavy, Marshall and
Fender as chances are, I can find a half decent tube amp either used or new. If
the older amps are easier to service, isn't that a benefit? After buying one even
if it needs service, wouldn't there be a good chance for a better value than a
brand new amp?
Of course, ....um, have you checked the prices on pre-'70s Marshalls? or pre-'77 Fenders?
Some of these are more expensive "broken", than a new hand-wired boutique amp.
There ARE some great deals to be found, IF you know what to look for.
I would still suggest the Peavey Delta Blues 115, of all the amps in it's price range (arounf $600CDN), it has
the closest tone to the "old amps". It should last 15 years without any servicing, aside from replacing the EL
84s every few years (buy a matched quad at about $50, and slap 'em in). At 30 watts, this amp can be run
at full power without breaking windows, and it can also get great tones at very low volumes. Ad it can be
upgraded by adding a premium alnico speaker from Weber VST, or the like. Fender has a few really cool
small combos too, but they aren't in the same league, value-wise; as the Delta Blues 115.
Marshall doesn't have many small tube combos, most of the Marshall line is solid state, or "pretend" tube
like the AVT. Personally, I think most of it is junk.
Acquiring vintage amps without KNOWING what to look for in regards to "servicing", is a bit of a crap-shoot.
I only ever buy "broken" vintage amps, I can usually identify the problem just by asking the right questions
...even if it's an eBay seller who knows nothing about amps, ...but, for someone who doesn't know what
they're doing? They could wind up with a lot of junk. | |
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Posted: 5/23/2006 9:08:27 AM | replicas like Epiphones
Try one, you may be surprised! They do make cheaper, lesser quality models with bolt-on necks, but the set neck ones can be really decent. I bought a G-400 (SG) in Cherry for my son. I would play that guitar anywhere, any time. My nephew has a black one with a pearl pick guard, also really nice. That being said, I would prefer a Gibson, but not one of the cheaper ones.
(I don't know what's going on with the wide posts, sometimes happens, sometimes not. I haven't done anything different, and I find it really annoying) | |
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Posted: 5/23/2006 12:46:28 PM | -at that limited price range in the new catagory I would agree the peavey delta 15 is a good choice
-the crate combo with the tone tubby speaker sounds really nice too
ebay can be a great place to buy a guitar,or very bad depending on the deal. I have had both
IE
you get the guitar and the neck twists.....yikes
in the bang for your buck catagory
the upper end epiphones are decent,so are mexican teles/strats,koreon g&l,tokai
I like ibanez always have..........rgs are my favorites
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Posted: 5/23/2006 6:26:57 PM | Epiphones are just too good of bang for buck.
I'd buy Gibson if I could afford it, because Gibsons just hold their value better. But i'm a cheap **stard,
so my Epi Flametop Les Paul Custom is the higher end of Epiphone (roughly $900 new),
and if I spent money on even the low end of Gibson, it would probably be about double that. I just replace all the pickups with better ones,
and the Phat Cat in the Les Paul really seems to have opened up the sound alot more.
One trick that I found makes the Gibson Classic '57 covered pickups sound better,
is to remove the cover and wax on the PAF single conductor braided
vintage style (some of the open coil 57's have the regular, non PAF wiring style).
I don't necessarily advise this technique, as you can damage the pickup,
but if you're careful, you can end up with a much better sounding pickup (though admittedly you get better raw tone, there is a little more squeal from the guitar, feedback-wise).
It seems to have less gain than most pickups (even less than the regular non PAF open coil modern wired Classic '57 that I a/b-d it with),
but really pushes ahead the guitar's natural string tone alot more.
Page and alot of those guys removed their pickup covers in the late 60's. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2006 9:19:27 PM | I would still suggest the Peavey Delta Blues 115, of all the amps in it's price range (arounf $600CDN), it has the closest tone to the "old amps".
What do you think of the Peavey Delta Blues 210 amp?
I haven't seen any ads for a 115 yet.
Gman, yeah, you take a risk buying a guitar on ebay but at least there's a
ratings system and you can get an idea of the seller's credibility.
There is a good selection, too, but you have to worry about other bidders
especially when there's a really popular instrument for sale. | |
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Posted: 5/26/2006 11:11:05 PM | alex 89
the delta 2x10 is also a nice amp
I tried both before I bought the 1x15 delta
I also tried the Crate VFX5212 guitar amp. It has Brown Sound Tone Tubby 12" ceramic speakers.
It was very nice sounding and worth your time to try it out.
on ebay...........
credibility aside,you can get a guitar from a very different climate and when you get it,it is fine............then it adjusts to your climate ,with good or bad results.I have been there
IE I live in Alberta it is very dry,a couple of guitars I got from humid areas freaked out when they got here.I have to remove the frets and replane the fretboard and refret it.
I do that for a living,someone who does not
might end up paying $200-$250 to have it done
some of the warmoth guitars can be a great value on ebay,but it also depends on how experienced the guy was that put the parts together | |
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Posted: 5/29/2006 5:15:00 PM | My new instrument, the guitar's great-great-great-grand-daddy........
A Syrian Oud
http://homepage.mac.com/ewald/.Pictures/oud.jpg
10 strings in 5 courses, no frets, I have it tuned in fifths, so it's: C, G, D, A, E. The high E corresponding
to the guitar's high E, and the low C corrosponding to third fret - A string on a bass. The neck joins the body
at a fifth above the open string, the strings are playable to an octave which is about where the "rosette" is
(the circle of triangles surounding the main sound hole).
...killer ax, very deep sounding.
Ouds have been around for about 5000 years. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2006 7:16:36 PM |
a couple of guitars I got from humid areas freaked out when they got here.
I have seen it happen on an acoustic guitar.
How do you think a Stratocaster would fare? I am estimating they would be affected the least of most guitars. Maple or rosewood necks/fretboards would be a factor. | |
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Posted: 5/29/2006 10:21:46 PM | late
the oud is sweet!!!!!!!
what are they worth?
MMMMMbaby
all guitars necks might freak
strat style/ tele.............maple or rosewood
I have seen all of it
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Posted: 5/29/2006 10:23:57 PM | today I am
wax potting a bunch of single coil pickups
It reduces microphonics and also protects the coil
a very important step
then I put shielding tape on them
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