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| | THE GUITAR PLAYER'S THREADPage 82 of 102 (62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102) | Hmmm...excellent advice....I did put a lot of thought into buying my car and I only use it for necessary driving...seems you're right, if i'm going to invest into something I do for PlEASURE i should probaby invest as much research time into it...problem IS cash though...I myself just dont have the financial resources I used to have so now Im pricing out cheaper models based on that little fact sad as it is....sigh....
Okay, this changes things, but you still want a second guitar that can't possibly be as good as your Larrivee to be able to play acoustic/electric.
The same solution applies.
Put a decent entry-level soundhole pickup in the Larrivee. Go to a well stocked music store and try out a bunch, get the one that sounds best and fits your budget.
And realise that a decent SO pick-up, like a:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/news/mag_mic_sounhole_pickup.shtml
Both a magnetic pickup, and a mic contained in one unit, both active, with the option of permanent or temp type installation. Good enough for Ben Harper, David Lindley, Lenny Kravitz, Keb’ Mo’, Jeff Pevar / CSN, Kelly Joe Phelps, Peter Stroud / Sheryl Crow, Xavier Rudd, Bill Frisell.....
Consider, you can find these for well less than $300, a hunk a' junk acoustic/electric is not going to have anything close to as good a sound as a pick-up like this, even a $700 hunk a' junk.
I've been studying guitar independently for about nine months now. Last night I was reading some tablature out of a book that was describing the fingerstyle of playing arpeggio'd chords, and something didn't seem right to me. Maybe one of y'all can shed some light on it.
Wrong thread, this is a gear thread, there's a "learning to play guitar thread" on this forum too, but I'll save you a trip. Toss the TAB junk, it's confusing you and wasting a lot of time. I put up a page for beginners on the "learning to" thread, I'll paste it in here too.
One page, all you need to know to play ANY chord, name ANY chord, and not be crippled by the bad habit of learning by memorizing l'il diagrams (which isn't learning if you think about it, ...it's m e m o r i z i n g).
http://homepage.mac.com/ewald/Theory/rps1.html
'SAVING money' -actually is COSTING YOU MORE in the long run.
Makes perfect sense... *if* you know you're going to stick with it long enough for that to matter.....
Hold it right there...
Not quite, it's here when it begins to make even more sense. *if* you find that the biggest barrier to learning is "I may very well get frustrated with in a month and never touch again", ...the cheaper you go, the more likey "frustrated with in a month" is going to happen, in fact, if you go cheap enough, it's almost a guarantee.
Further, should you find yourself not willing to continue trying to learn on a piece of kindling you got for a bargain, are you going to want to keep it? ....No, you want to sell it, so now you have a piece of crap boat anchor that you paid very little for, ....do you really think anybody is going to want to buy it for even 50¢ on the dollar?
*if* you get a decent instrument, playable, and not a challenge to learn on, ...chance of frustration? is only relative to your own desire to learn. And should you still find that you don't want to continue trying? You will find it much easier to sell a "decent instrument, playable, and not a challenge to learn on" for close to what you paid for it.
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Posted: 1/31/2007 9:42:55 AM |
Wrong thread, this is a gear thread, there's a "learning to play guitar thread" on this forum too.
Yea, I stumbled across it *after* I posted here (it was on the second page). I have another question for you but I'll move it over there.
Not quite, it's here when it begins to make even more sense. *if* you find that the biggest barrier to learning is "I may very well get frustrated with in a month and never touch again", ...the cheaper you go, the more likey "frustrated with in a month" is going to happen, in fact, if you go cheap enough, it's almost a guarantee.
Further, should you find yourself not willing to continue trying to learn on a piece of kindling you got for a bargain, are you going to want to keep it? ....No, you want to sell it, so now you have a piece of crap boat anchor that you paid very little for, ....do you really think anybody is going to want to buy it for even 50¢ on the dollar?
Your logic is sound. I guess I lucked out, 'cause I'm not finding the guitar I bought to be a barrier to learning even though by any real musician's standards it'd probably be useful only in hand to hand combat.  Re-selling it never even occurred to me at the time.
At the moment I'm not even sure why I'm learning, because I don't plan on performing and I'm still iffy on writing my own music. If I wind up doing anything constructive I'll probably get a decent axe somewhere down the line. | |
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Posted: 1/31/2007 1:00:50 PM | OK, actually I do have a question related to this thread. 
How much of a variation is there in the size/width of electric guitar necks? The one I've got, a cheap-O Washburn Lyon, seems to have a neck that's a smidge too narrow for my fingers. It makes things a little tight when I'm trying to, say, finger an A chord 'cause the edges of my fingers stick out and brush against the strings that I'm trying to leave open - although it could just be that my fretting technique still needs work.
If I decide to upgrade and get a better guitar, would it be possible to get one that fits my hand size better? If so... would it have to be a custom job or can I get one "off the rack" just by shopping around?
Secondly...
I know amps in the 5-10 watt range are considered "practice" amps. I recently bought a 25-watt Lyon amp and it sounds pretty good. Is an amp of that strength still considered a practice amp? I've heard that if you expect to perform with a band you need something in the realm of 100 watts - what's a good rule of thumb for determining how much wattage is necessary for solo playing versus performing versus rocking Shea Stadium? | |
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Posted: 1/31/2007 1:11:35 PM | ^^^^^
Don't get a mexican strat...pretty sure the necks are a smidgen more narrow than the american ones...my dad was playing mine and complaining it seemed a little narrow for his liking..... | |
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Posted: 1/31/2007 2:48:02 PM | wonkabar
I have worked on many guitars some electric have much wider necks,It is a bit more random though than just saying 'go try this model'
I suggest trying a bunch,you will find one
-on amps .....a 30 watt tube amp is a nice bridge beetween practicing and jumping with a band
LATE .........excellent posts as always
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Posted: 1/31/2007 8:53:08 PM | OK, actually I do have a question related to this thread.
How much of a variation is there in the size/width of electric guitar necks? The one I've got, a cheap-O Washburn Lyon, seems to have a neck that's a smidge too narrow for my fingers. It makes things a little tight when I'm trying to, say, finger an A chord 'cause the edges of my fingers stick out and brush against the strings that I'm trying to leave open - although it could just be that my fretting technique still needs work.
If I decide to upgrade and get a better guitar, would it be possible to get one that fits my hand size better? If so... would it have to be a custom job or can I get one "off the rack" just by shopping around?
Actually you are going about solving a problem the hard way, develop proper technique, you should be able to fret strings on any chordaphone instrument if you use proper wrist and arm posture, and hang the instrument from the strap properly. Proper technique on a baritone guitar will transfer seamlessly to a mandolin.
See post # 86 -
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/1542626datingPostpage4.aspx
Secondly...
I know amps in the 5-10 watt range are considered "practice" amps.
Watts are meaninless
It depends "watts" is misleading, perceived sound level is dependant on a lot of things.
- Class of amp (A, AB, A-B, C, etc.)
- Type of output format (Solid state, vacuum tube)
- Type of output transformer/speaker layout
I recently bought a 25-watt Lyon amp and it sounds pretty good.
That's relative, and dependant on what you're used to playing through, compared to a 5 Watt, class "A" single-ended 6V6 tube amp combo with a good AlNiCo 12" speaker, your amp might sound like a mosquito.
Is an amp of that strength still considered a practice amp? I've heard that if you expect to perform with a band you need something in the realm of 100 watts
Most experienced pro's I know find the 18 - 30 watt range of tube amps to be perfect for live playing. Any room big enough to require a large PA? - mic it. This is the only reasonable way to "scale" the sweet spot of an amp. The actual reason for 100 watt amps really doesn't exist anymore, FOH techniques caught up by the mid '70s
- what's a good rule of thumb for determining how much wattage is necessary for solo playing versus performing versus rocking Shea Stadium?
You will hear many views on this, but the truth is, both can be easily accomplished with a 18 - 30 watt tube amp, and and understanding of musical dynamics. Past a certain level of SPL, quality of timbre and dynamics drops very fast. There are however, styles and fashions that help add a machismo/testosterone "image" by having huge stacks of amps, ...good magazine shots, ...most of the speaker cabs are empty.
Many guys use high powered amps with attenuators (tranny toasters), it's like using a dragster to go 40 mph, by flooring the accelerator with the brakes locked. - and while it comes close to achieving the same result of a lower powered amp in output transformer/speaker load saturation, ...it robs the end result of some very sweet 3rd and 4rth order harmonic resonance, even with a reactive dummy load. It's the shift of loading between the output tubes, transformer, and speaker that creates the sweet tone that is lost by trying to fool the "load" into thinking it's a lower SPL.
AND, IT'S A MORE EXPENSIVE WAY OF GETTING A BETTER RESULT THAT EXISTS IN A LESS EXPENSIVE FORM. | |
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Posted: 1/31/2007 8:55:40 PM | My equipment:
Epiphone Les Paul Custom (wine red color)
Seymour Duncan JB/Jazz Humbuckers (bridge/neck, respectively)
Marshall JCM800 2203 Lead Series Head (100 Watts)
4x12 cabinet w/ Celestion speakers (custom built)
BOSS Super Overdrive, Super Chorus, Metal Zone, and Graphic Equalizer pedals
Digitech RP200
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Posted: 1/31/2007 9:25:15 PM | late has some excellent points on amp wattage
earlier on this thread we had this same discussion...............
the only point I would like to add is,wattage also depends on what type of music you are
playing in a live context............
30 watt tube amp -for blues,jazz,60's and 70's rock.....more mid range tones
BUT, if you are playing 'modern rock styles',detuned rock styles,7 string styles,that require
a larger tighter lowend....I would recommend more watts to allow for the extended frequency range
IE
going to a gig with a 30 watt amp and trying to play songs in the tonality of
Metallica,Pantera,Korn,Sevendust............is not going to work well
in my experience,bringing in a small amp and relying on 'front of house' to "give me enough in the monitors so I can hear myself"
can lead to not being able to hear yourself for the whole gig, cause the soundguy is more focused on gets 'the end of the world kick sound' then making sure the players can hear themselves.
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Posted: 1/31/2007 9:37:11 PM | BUT, if you are playing 'modern rock styles',detuned rock styles,7 string styles,that require
a larger tighter lowend....I would recommend more watts to allow for the extended frequency range
IE
going to a gig with a 30 watt amp and trying to play songs in the tonality of
Pantera,Korn,Sevendust............is not going to work well
Hell, you don't even need a quality amp, most of these guys use "sand", do realize that this type of rig is specific and pretty much single purpose - useless for anything else.
in my experience,bringing in a small amp and relying on 'front of house' to "give me enough in the monitors so I can hear myself"
can lead to not being able to hear yourself for the whole gig, cause the soundguy is more focused on gets 'the end of the world kick sound' then making sure the players can hear themselves.
In my experience, over the years I've played many different styles (non of the chugga chugga I'M ANGRY chugga chugga stuff though), the more experienced the guys are, the lower the "mean" stage volume, the wider the range of dynamics. I've never had to use monitors for anything else other than lead vocalist, kick, and bass.
Even on stage using nothing more than a 22w BFDR - with a showband with 5 pc horns, two drummers, Hammond player, Rhodes player, Bass, two guitars, 3 bu singers, with a frontman blowin' harp. Do you know how much power most Leslie cabs are? 30w | |
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Posted: 1/31/2007 9:52:21 PM | LATE
I totally hear what you are saying man,I love R&B and the Blues
I just bought the dvd-STEELY DAN-AJA-Classic albums,I just watched it for the 12th time
IE
I get it
BUT..........................
I also can jam with the young 'kids' their heros are different,sadly the don't know who Jaco is or Weather report/Tower of Power. Even though the spirit and intention of your message is 'extremely correct' ....In 2007 it is a different story
walking into a room with a young drummer who grew up listening to Lars Urich (drummer of metallica) and telling him the message of dynamics while you plug in your ' Fender Princeston'
is a loosing battle..........it is' sad but true'.
Trust me I have been there.
I am not saying it is a good thing or correct,it is just reality in 2007
20 something's these days are more likely to know songs by Evanessence than
Robby Robertson Solos from 'the last Waltz'
I own a small custom Guitar shop so I meet players that are 16 - 60,I pride myself in listening to and studing music from many generations so I can help them get their desired tone. | |
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Posted: 1/31/2007 10:06:01 PM | Drummers - if they can't be professional - I don't play with them, I'm a firm believer in not buildin a rig to compensate for someone's lousy musicianship. A drummer who can't play a small room at proper levels with an AC 30 is useless to me, any style.
And 20 something's grow up usually, I used 120w V4s in my 20's, ...it was stupid for most of what I used them for, I learned from playing pro, ....not from kids playing what's cool this week.
If you want to approach this as a stylist, fine, ...but from the standpoint of best tool for the widest application, a 100 watt amp is wrong, proved by simple physics.
SPL for guitar amps got huge in the 70's but they were a few years behind the curb, ....those amps are boat anchors for the most part. Do you know why?
Do you know why Fender brought in Paul Rivera in the '80s to redesign their amps.
Do you know why?
I own a small custom Guitar shop so I meet players that are 16 - 60,I pride myself in listening to and studing music from many generations so I can help them get their desired tone.
I've been a musician for almost 40 years, pro for 32, I have also taught people from 5 - 70 how to play, I also work with some of the most experienced musicians in the biz, I've also designed amps and helped other's design amps and am on a first name basis with the guys in Canada, the US, and the UK who build and repair them for the big name players, ...this isn't just opinion on a whim, and most of it is verifiable, ....seriously. | |
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Posted: 1/31/2007 10:18:13 PM |
Actually you are going about solving a problem the hard way, develop proper technique, you should be able to fret strings on any chordaphone instrument if you use proper wrist and arm posture, and hang the instrument from the strap properly. Proper technique on a baritone guitar will transfer seamlessly to a mandolin.
Oh no doubt, I'm not saying my technique is anywhere near perfect (it's probably the lower end of "barely passable"). I was just curious as to whether one size was supposed to fit all, or if there were variations. I read earlier in the thread (I've been jumping around so forgive me if I bring up something that's already been discussed) that it was possible to get better fretting by lowering the strings, so I was wondering if something similar applied to necks.
That's relative, and dependant on what you're used to playing through, compared to a 5 Watt, class "A" single-ended 6V6 tube amp combo with a good AlNiCo 12" speaker, your amp might sound like a mosquito.
Probably, but I highly doubt the amp that came with my guitar (low-end "guitar starter kit" I got at Target) is the sort you just mentioned... although I can probably get the specs and post them. All I know is, unless I lay it flat on the carpet the sound is drowned out by the buzz caused by the unit vibrating.
The main reason I got the 25 watt amp was because it had a bunch of effects built in, and I'm slowly becoming an effects whore. Got a distortion pedal, loved it, got a wah, didn't love it but was glad to have it anyway, so I think I got a little silly with the amp. Saw all the effects and said "gotta have it!"
As to what kind of music I'm playing, right now I'm trying to learn some of my favorite songs from artists like Tom Petty, The Monkees, and maybe Led Zeppelin or other "classic" rock. Right now, all I can do is play power chords well enough not to embarass myself. I'm still working on everything else.
It keeps me off the streets, anyway.
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Posted: 1/31/2007 10:24:43 PM |
Do you know why Fender brought in Paul Rivera in the '80s to redesign their amps.
Do you know why?
no, I am interested TO know though.....my guess was that Fender wanted a louder amp,that was more 'Marshally'
I've been a musician for almost 40 years, pro for 32, I have also taught people from 5 - 70 how to play, I also work with some of the most experienced musicians in the biz, I've also designed amps and helped other's design amps and am on a first name basis with the guys in Canada, the US, and the UK who build and repair them for the big name players, ...this isn't just opinion on a whim, and most of it is verifiable, ....seriously.
Hey bro don't get me wrong, I know, you know the dudes ,but I feel your opinion on here are basised to specific styles(blues,world music Jazz). In fact ask if any of your amp guys built amps for Steve Lukather,Eddie Van Halen,Zakk Wyde,Slash,James Hetfield,John Petrucci,Joe Satriani,Steve Vai............etc. For live applications
how many watts were they requesting?
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Posted: 1/31/2007 10:58:17 PM |
no, I am interested TO know though.....my guess was that Fender wanted a louder amp,that was more 'Marshally'
Nope, to undo the damage done by the CBS marketing bunch that pushed for higher powered amps using ultra linear trannies in the '70s. - all of those amps are junk.
The list would be too long if I included all of the client lists, here are some of the amp guys I know-
Doug Roccaforte - LA (Matt Bruck is one of his clients, if you know who Matt Bruck is)
Willie Whittaker (Fat Willie/Lord Valve) - also sits in with Derek Trucks Band sometimes on Hammond
Rich Koerner - New Jersy
Ned Carlson (Uncle Ned) - Chicago
Gar Gillies - RIP
Gary Gerhart (Gerhart amps)
Roy Blankenship - LA - relocated to Florida
Robert M. Braught - Kansas
Andy Fuchs - Fuchs Audio
Richard Guy - Guytronix
Mike Schway - Washington
Danny Russell (Kendrick) - Detroit
Michael Hoffman - (Hoffman amps)
Ted Weber (Weber VST)
Len Flint - Montreal (My personal tech)
Duncan Munro - UK (Look this guy up - all the designers use his databases now)
Keven O'Conner - London Power
Dave Zimmerman - Maven Peal amps
The only 100w amp that can do it all - http://www.mavenpeal.com/
There's more, but I tell you what, if you want to base your standard on trends by 20 somethings? more power to ya, if you want to know how and why things sound like they do?
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Posted: 1/31/2007 11:12:18 PM | late
All the people you are quoting are 50-70 yrs old they grew up in the 50's and 60's
many of those amp builders you speak of goal is to clone/improve on the fender bassman
true story:
I recorded an album for an 'old blues guy' his whole schtick was to do his blues thing
ala' Clapton-'Lay down Sally'
as far as he was concerned, if it was not a strat and a fender amp it didn't exist
my eyes would glaze over,after 8 months of his narrowmindness ..............
when I was a kid in the 80's growing up wanting to be like Eddie Van Halen...
all of the guitar tech grew up in the 60 and 70s --the folk generation
they knew everything about pre-war martin acoustics and different types of bracing,banjos,mandolins etc
But, nothing about what I was interested in..... Modded marshalls,tricked out electrics.....
(these techs were useless for MY needs)
my point:
times change and to better serve the current client base AND future client bases,it pays to be hip to what is going on and how things are changing.........reguardless of my personal opinions on music.
I was just on the phone with my amp tech-Ray Champane of Rebel Sound
lucky for me he is into chasing tones of not only
blues/country guys--hank williams,srv
but, also rock guys-Old Black Sabbath,the 1st 2 Van Halen albums.....etc
and he totally agrees with me,that depending on style of music your amps needs and wattage requirements are different
I am useful to a wider client base when it come to guitars, cause I can serve the vintage tele/strat crowd AND the shred Ibanez/Jackson crowd
if a guy comes in an tells you he wants to sound like Randy Rhoads or Early Van Halen
you would be very guilty of misinformation if you sent him home with a 20 watt fender with an Alnico speaker...........my point of referrence I just spoke of is 25-30 yrs old
Now imagine what has happened in music since then?????????
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Posted: 1/31/2007 11:40:27 PM | Go through that list again, and remember, one of these guys is Van Halen's tech's - tech. You've not caught the range of demographics (or expertise) in that list at all.
Some of the players you listed are well known for being clueless about gear, and being endorsement whores, not to mention, - play with a single narrow scope of dynamics and timbre.
If you like self-limiting via pop culture? go for it.
As general advice? it blows.
my point:
times change and to better serve the current client base AND future client bases,it pays to be hip to what is going on.........reguardless of my personal opinions on music.
Dude, I don't care about profit margins and marketability, ...I'm not selling anything. My frame of reference is not rooted in what "the kids" want.
This is good for magazines, music stores, and kids.
Trends change, the always have - the basics of "what works best" never does - physics and the science of acoustics has already laid out the template.
You are also from a generation who learned from fan magazines and websites.
I tell you what, I'll put my "shred" skills (easily aquired) up against yours.
Musicianship - counts
Tone - counts
Nothing else - and I'll do it live with a 30 watt amp, with a drummer and bass player who are "good".
Then, come to my side and trade fours in these styles:
Classic Metal
Classic Rock
Be Bop
Bluegrass
R&B
Arabic
Western Swing
A Danny Gatton song
A Lenny Breau song
A John Coltrane song
Bach
Gershwin
Funk
Hip Hop (Yes, it can be done well)
Psychedelic
Pop
- You name it.
Here's the catch - do it all with one amp - one guitar.
You try to paint me as living in the past, you couldn't be more wrong - some things are timeless bro'
...other things, merely fleeting trends pimped out by Madison Ave and GUITAR HERO magazines...
StrongBad was once asked if he knew how to play guitar:
http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail36.html
I give advice on guitars and amps that has stood not only the test of time, but has become the industry standard of "raising the bar", .....not pop culture trends.
Let me know if these amps ever start gaining in value:
http://www.guitar.com.au/amplifiers/electric/randall/warhead.htm
Don't bother giving me a link to Harmony Central morons droning on and on about "It's the awesomest amp, Dimebag used it, and Dimebag rules!!!!
That's about as relevent as Billy-Bob in '62 saying:
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Posted: 2/1/2007 1:03:40 AM | Late
ok you are right,but so am I
I was in bands too............and from my personal experience I could get away with
a 30 watter for blues gigs and some rock
But when I went into a different instrumental band that played everything from Fusion,rock,swing jazz,down tuned shred
30 watts did not cut it
I own 3- 7 string guitars for some tracks I had to play in A-e-a-d-g-b-e tuning through a very distored amp-the transients alone would blow 30 watt speakers
IE
I used a 2X12 with vintage 30's it would fart out the speakers
I had to bump up to a 2x12 with 200watt ev's to contain the low end bloom tightly
(if this is not a realistic situation-bass players would still be playing on 60 watt bassmans,instead of 400watt eden cabs)
some of the material we writing was like Pantera or Korn hooked on funk
reguardless what you think of the style or tone, unless you have played in a similiar gigging situation, trying to get the same tone, with a 7 string or a guitar tuned to drop c....
you are only guessing at gear requirements for this style.....guessing
check out the going rate for a first or second year of DEAN guitar....totally spurred on by the popularity of Dimebag
p.s. -- I think deans are pointy, not my style, either is dimebag really
as a decades pass so does a person's heros.......
a 20 yr old today, knows that a 62 strat is worth a lot, but he probably is more excited by an Ibanez jem or Les Paul
i.e his heros are not buddy holly, hendrix or jimi page
it is not progress, but, it is reality
I have guys that want custom teles, vintage guitars,nitro finishes...
but, also guys that want custom drop c guitars setup with string guages like 56-12
that they play their dual rectifiers......luckily for my clients, I have been in both types of bands, and I have respect for all genres.
ps
check out the specs on Zakk wyldes tour rig,I figure any guitarist that has to take the place of Randy Rhoades would know a thing or two about acheiving the tone he needs for the genre of music he is playing
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Posted: 2/1/2007 1:22:12 AM |
reguardless what you think of the style or tone, unless you have played in a similiar gigging situation, trying to get the same tone, with a 7 string or a guitar tuned to drop c....
you are only guessing at gear requirements for this style.....guessing
Simple point of contention:
Are any of these requests for a "good" amp specific to freakin baritone guitars?
Or are you trying to "push" a particular "style"?
Go look back on this thread where some kid asked about playing 7 string low "C" tuning stuff, and show me where I recomended anything other than, ....basically a Randall Warhead.......
I have guys that want custom teles, vintage guitars,nitro finishes...
but, also guys that want custom
drop c guitars that they want for their dual rectifiers......luckily for my clients I have been in both types of bands and I have respect for all genres
I don't have "clients", I have students, and paying gigs for live and studio on over 9 different instruments ranging from low "B" to an "F#" higher than a piano, I design amps, I build them, I fix them, ...I've played through all of the "holy grails" over the last 40 years, I've even been asked to test amps before they go to production (I have a lot of prototypes from builders). I started digging into amp circuits 37 years ago. I've made friends with those who design, build, and mod them, and have played with those who get the studio calls for the big bucks to play through them and have for a long time, I work with experienced FOH guys who know the score and are happy to see me if I show up.
Do you see the difference yet?
It's like someone asking about "private transportation", ...I reccomend a car that's good bang for the buck, no wasted horespower and features, and it will do pretty much everything you ask it to,
...and you keep railling on me that my suggestions can't crush cars like a big 4X4 like "Bigfoot" can.
And then you back it up by pointing out that kids have more "Bigfoot" posters in their bedrooms....
Sorry bro' this is an ongoing struggle since the dawn of this thread, ....and say what you want...
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Posted: 2/1/2007 1:34:54 AM | late I added to my post above
and yes you are right it has been going since that beginning of the thread
and if you have reccomended a Warhead etc to metalheads then awesome
I think you give the best advice ever,I just guess I missed the 'warhead part of it'
I guess if someone asks me about gear-the first thing I do is ask..........
What kind of music do you play?
Is it live or just your bedroom?
bang for the buck, I would recommend a delta 30 for most guys...........
but
IF he says I love metallica and korn,and I am starting a band............
I would bump him up to a 120 watt peavey 6505-2x12 closed back with 100watter speakers
min.
I just feel that one size does not fit all
example
If he said he plays 80's new wave.....
I might suggest something that gets a jazz chorus sound
before I recomend I always ask what kinda sound are they trying to get?
who is your favorite guitar player?
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Posted: 2/1/2007 1:58:15 AM | What kind of music do you play?
before I recomend I always ask what kinda sound are they trying to get?
who is your favorite guitar player?
I always assume that this is going to change as they progress (my God, hopefully)
And with good gear - you'd be surprised at how fast people branch out.
There's nothing sadder to me than a person who gets comfortable in a niche - it's the signal of the end of growth.
With the industry standard SPL, the sweetspot is discovered much faster, gimmicks and digi-world isn't needed to do what is already done in a way that gimmicks and digi-world can't.
I don't ask people what they want to do, they ask me what they need to know.
One of the users here is a guy I taught music theory and time, in about 5 lessons.
I picked his guitar, amp?
Told him not to buy one, waste of time.
I was also one of the people who taught him "tone".
Guess where he works now, guess who his clients are?
Hey, a lot of them? ....I think they suck, so what?
His name is on CDs now that are in all the stores, played on the radio, topping the charts, winning Junos and Grammies...
Ask him if my advice was "out-dated".
Hey bro' I could care less if people think I'm a tone-nazi, or full of crap.
But, find anybody on this thread who followed my advice who came back unhappy. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2007 11:11:49 AM | ^^^^^^^
When it comes to tone.....Late is your God!!
And no I don't have an amp yet I'm waiting for the right opportunity....I still play but just do drills and practice theory....cause I work like a dog in the studio so I don't get much time....Nevertheless, theory is what keeps me alive in this job....And I owe that to Late....
If you seek advice on music in general listen to Late he really, really knows what he's talking about....He's my first call if I need guitars.....And have seen the best of the best....and he still outweighs them.... | |
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Posted: 2/1/2007 11:27:17 AM | IF he says I love metallica and korn,and I am starting a band............
I would bump him up to a 120 watt peavey 6505-2x12 closed back with 100watter speakers
min.
How does this even remotely apply if they aren't playing the same venues?
Really, take a look at this huge flaw in the advice you're giving - and the advice makes no sense.
Sorry man, you can buy into the marketing until the cows come home, it's still buying into marketing and not addressing reality.
Sure, guys have been jamming with 100 watt stacks for 3 decades, music stores sell them, ...it doesn't mean it isn't stupid, it's like killing mosquitoes with a pipe bomb, ...it makes NO practical sense, ...other than buying into hype, and buying into bad habits, and bad drummers.
You want heavy sounding?
Listen to ZZ-Top, from the old days, listen to the tone.
That's an 8 watt amp, mic'd, ...even live.
'50s Fender Tweed Deluxe.
Sorry man, ...my kung fu don't come from magazine ad revenue.
You may influence a lot of customers, I go out of my way to help people make it in the biz.
The poster above me paid about $100 an hour to get personalized lessons in "tone" and "theory".
He's the only private student I took on that year (I probably still owe him a few hours), and he works at a studio that pumps out Grammies and Juno's by the handful now, ....knowlege is power, dude.
He's asked me not to name the studio, or the clients so I won't, ....but you can find both on the pages of any industry magazine (not "fan" magazines, ...well the clients mebbe').
Seriously.
I like you bro' but your arguments don't hold water - they point back at you with three fingers when you play the "genre" card.
If you want to check my "music" bona fides in Edmonton? Talk to Holger Peterson.
Here you go - recorded in a kitchen, me on all instruments, no effects, no software - straight to disk using some Windows "LE" app.
(done originally as a joke)
.3w amp
105db at 1 metre "A" weighted
http://homepage.mac.com/ewald/.Music/Escape_From_Planet_POF.mp3
A "third" of a watt.
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Posted: 2/1/2007 11:53:25 AM | My current collection consists of:
'86 Kramer Pacer Imperial
'86 Kramer Pacer Deluxe
'87 Kramer Pacer Deluxe
'87 Kramer Sustainer
'85 Kramer Baretta neck/Charvel model 2 body mutt
'87 Kramer Focus 6000
'85 Kramer Focus 1000
'87 Kramer Forum IV Japanese market bass
Kramer 1984 Reissue
Kramer Custom
Kramer Baretta
Kramer Baretta 5 string bass
Ibanez SRX400
Jackson DK2 Hotrod black
'86 Charvel Model 5
Ovation Celebrity
Johnson Acoustic
Johnson JM 250 head
'88 Randall RG100 snakeskin head
Crate GX212 combo
Behringer Ultrabass BX3000 head
2 - Madison Symphony loaded 4x12 cabs
2 - Madison Executioner 1x15 cabs | |
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Posted: 2/1/2007 12:01:20 PM | Ahhh... nothing says "lovin'" like brand loyalty.
I remember when these guitars were all over the pawn shops for pennies on the dollar, "hanger queens", are they still available at pennies on the dollar?
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Posted: 2/1/2007 1:56:22 PM | LATE
ok you are right...............there
I choose to disagree agreeably
next subject ..................
Kramer resale value-due to the endorsement of EVH .........fans will pay lots of money for certain Kramer models | |
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