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Posted: 1/6/2008 10:13:05 PM | Well, anyways, my theory is this: I believe in the Rapture. I believe it will happen and snatch all us Christians out of here!
Wow don't tell that to an Apostilc christian cause to them they are demon's..
and don't the christian have to live a great tribulate to get to heaven aso I think all christain are diceved in that thought..  | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 6:36:37 PM | Well, I didn't read ALL the posts on this one - way too many, lol. But it's interesting that a UFO was recently spotted in Texas by hundreds of people. Here is a summary of official explanation (excuse the language, this came from CL R&R) :
The Air Force as it turns out, was flying a group of planes in the area that night. A group of 10 F-16's were being flown that night to test if there were any cracks in the fuselages, and all except three had trouble with their lights.
Now these three planes happened to be at each corner of the formation which stretched out to half mile wide by one mile long. Of these three planes, each one had only one outboard light on at the same time. So what these 100's of people saw was only a flight of planes. And not some beings from another planet that were here seeing why we are so ****ing stupid yet, had nuclear weapons."
Personally, I think we're pretty arrogant to think we are the only ones in the universe. I''ve never seen a UFO, but I think this is a pretty lame excuse. No noises were heard, and every airplane I've seen has had some sort of noise attached. And, I'm no engineer, but it seems to me that checking for a crack in the fuselage should be done on the ground, not in the air.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens with this story. | |
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Posted: 1/23/2008 6:49:53 PM |
Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens with this story.
I wouldn't hold my breath. As so many that have gone before, most notable the Chicago airport sighting, it will continue to be refuted/rebuffed/ignored by various levels of officialdom. | |
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Posted: 1/24/2008 7:48:06 PM | | I've seen to many to count See unidentified flying object. See I have seen many things that flew that I couldn't identify be it satellite, star, plane too far away to see. I can't identify it that doesn't mean no one else can. But still to me unidentified. | |
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Posted: 1/24/2008 8:19:41 PM | I'm not interested in unidentified flying objects, but I can tell you that I have contact with IFO's which are identified flying objects, and that being Pleiadian in origin. Exactly one year after building and installing a firestarr orb in my residence. I was was walking from my vehicle outside and I got the telepathic message in my head, look up, do you see us? I looked up and saw a glowing beamship which lit up like a huge blue ball of plasma in the evening sky, hovering over my residence. I communicated back, yes I see you, thanks. Then the ship immediately disappeared, faster than you can blink an eye.
Just to explain what I use to attract the Beam ship, I thought I would write an explanation of the technology: The Firestarr Orb I build is a communication technology. The way to communicate is really through the human aura, auric transference leads to personality interacting through Karma and Dharma. In the Pleiades communication is done via scalar waves being instantaneous in nature. Radios and any electromagnetic wavelengths are just too slow for space communication because Pleiadian beam ships (spacecraft) travel faster than many multiples the speed of light. The speed of light on earth is 186,273 miles per second and that's the speed of electromagnetic waves like radio waves which are not instantaneous in nature. The Pleiadians use auric amplifiers or signature devices for telepathic transmission. These devices pick up on the horizontal and vertical yin/yang frequencies of the aura of the Pleiadian or human body. The device is tuned to the users chakras/ endocrine glands via gemstones and crystals and amplifies the human aura, becoming a transmitting and receiving scalar wave antenna. There are 5 octahedron chambers that have nuclear receptors inside them which amplify the gemstone frequencies corresponding to the chakra/ endocrine gland frequencies of the user that need strengthening. There is a vortex field generated from the center and is moving in a clockwise field of strength and a counter clockwise field of weakness. The weakest areas "chakras" become the strongest areas, and the body can communicate with efficiency now. Lasers can be used to carry photons into the octahedron chambers from the astral plane. This light amplification by the stimulated emission of radiation application into the firestarr creates an astral doorway to the astral plane, as well as amplifying the aura on the physical plane transcending the speed of light and allowing instant communication anywhere on the astral plane. All human and humanoid creations have an astral body so this is the perfect communication tool through the astral plane through space and time. The Firestarr orb is an inter-dimensional transmitting receiving antenna that develops psychic resources of practitioners to become a contactee, clairvoyant & channel with higher denizens of the Universe. It clears blockages in the human aura and chakras/ endocrine centers. They generate scalar frequencies of the flower tracking Pleiadian spacecraft, establishing contact and sightings in the location where it is used by raising the geographic areas frequency, aligning the local nature spirits and higher spiritual forces. Energy seeks its own balance, and once you become aligned with the Pleiadian frequencies, you can now communicate effortlessly, irrelevant of distance. I use the metaphor of a flower (firestarr orb) transmitting scalar waves (wave packets which transport/carry information) to the bees (space craft).
If you are interested in these devices, I sure enjoy building them, email me for more info. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2008 12:54:33 PM | From an earlier post:
"When I was 13 years old me and my friend who lived next door to me were walking home down our block and we saw a huge orange fireball moving silently across the sky and all I remember is we were both running down the block sacreaming in glee from such a sight."
From Becky J
"My husband and I were on the way home from the drive-in, about 1:00 am, and as we were coming up over a set of railroad tracks the car angled up and there was this huge flat round orange glowing 'something' just over the top of the trees. My husband stopped the car right there on the tracks and we both leaned toward the windshield to check it out and quicker than you just read that....it turbo'd out of sight. The funniest thing, my husband and I just looked at each other and never said a word...we just drove home. It was shocking and amazing both at the same time....almost unbelievable."
From the description of the above posts, this sounds exactly like what I saw one evening this past summer. I really couldn't say how high up it was but approximately as high as a hot air balloon travels. It was a huge, glowing orange ball that was traveling about the speed of a hot air balloon, too. I watched it coming closer and closer, just staring up at it, wondering what the heck it was. And, although this might sound weird, for a second or two I had the creepy feeling that it was checking me out, too. It was traveling north seemingly following the road, which was straight north/south. Completely silent - it was eerie.
I was standing on the porch so I opened the door and hollered for everybody to come and look. My daughter and grand-daughter came out and all three of us were staring at it. Then, just before it got to the house it started veering off westward and my g-daughter ran in to get her camera. By the time she came back out and took a picture of it, it was farther away. It must have picked up speed because it was quite small and getting even smaller as it was getting farther away. At that distance it looked like a plane. Or, rather like the light of a plane. Still bright orange, though.
But, the picture revealed more than what we saw. We basically were under it, but with the camera angle being behind it, as it was going away from us, the picture showed something at the very top of it. Some kind of a triangular shaped, physical body or form - like an aircraft/spacecraft - something! And, it was very tiny compared to the ball and the ball itself looked like fire with a dark ring around the whole thing. Like you would picture a black smoke cloud. So, was it caused by fuel, and if so, would it be normal to come out in a perfect roundness?
I really wanted to report it, but didn't know who to report it to. Plus, I really didn't want to be thought an idiot. lol. My daughter played it down and when I told other people, well, it just wasn't taken seriously. It's all I thought about for the next few days, but my daughter and g-daughter acted like they didn't want to talk about it. I couldn't understand that. I call it "my ufo" because, to me, that's what it was. But, we do live near an airforce base and it was suggested that it could be something to do with the military. It was a very bazarr thing to see floating over the treetops. I have a 3x5 and a 5x7 made of it, but I really wish we had thought fast enough to take a picture when it was right over us. I mean it was ten times the size of a regular hot-air balloon! It was huge! | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 12:46:24 AM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
There is a lot of controversy about the existance of UFO's and also about Alien visits here. I have been studying this for 25+ years. I will be honest. I have not ever seen a UFO, but I know they exist and I also know that we are being visited by Aliens. Why they are coming to this little blue marble in a backwater galaxy is anyone's guess? There is overwhelming evidence of UFO's. Pictures; statements by reliable people (Not ol' Billy Bob down at the local filling station). Noted astronauts have seen them; our government knows about them and there have been a lot of factual reports on them.
I know! I know! Without proof they don't exist to many and they have to have proof positive for them to believe. Through the Freedom of Information Act anyone can request, and get, copies of official government documents on UFO's. Unfortunately they are blacked out and you can't read them....but....if UFO's didn't exist and if one didn't crash here in 1947 (Roswell, New Mexico)...then why are there official government documents on them? The government has been keeping a lid on UFO's and Alien visits since 1947.
I respect your right to believe they don't exist and I respect your right to believe that we aren't being visited by Aliens, but the truth of the matter is.....they do and we are!
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Posted: 2/2/2008 8:06:58 AM | "Like you would picture a black smoke cloud."
Actually, I should have said: a black smoke ring. The photo showed what looked like a fire ball with a dark 'ring' around it. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 8:18:09 AM | zoretta--a very credible sighting indeed. I have seen the orange fireball type as well--more than once!!
It is quite obvious there is a cover-up in much progress at this point. To deny such is plain foolishness by anyone. When will we discover the true source or sources?? Before it is too late?? People need to put the evidence together for themselves in order to see the 'bigger' picture. It is not going to go away folks-- in fact, it is intensifying!! If you choose to ignore it or explain it away as swamp gas or nonsense-- it will bite you later. Guaranteed. A living eyewitness is sometimes your best source of information--ask any cop!! I have said it before.....
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Posted: 2/2/2008 10:12:45 AM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
In 1995 I was on a 7 day cruise from Vancouver, BC, Canada to Acapulco, Mexico. I was speaking with several people about UFO's and Alien visitations. One evening I was approached by a woman and her husband and she asked me if we could talk privately. We went to the ships liberary and there was no one there. She told me she and her husband wanted to talk privately because they had, had something happen to them that they told to other people and were laughed at. She said I seemed to be knowledgeable about UFO's etc. I told her that I would listen to their story with an open mind. She related this story:
They were living in Waco, Texas at the time. They had gone to a doings some distance out of town and were on their way home. It was around midnight. They were driving in a open area and they noticed some fashing lights out in a large field. The slowed to see what it was. They thought it might be a police car or ambulance. They shut the car engine off and got out of the car. They stood and watched this for several minutes, then decided to leave. They got back in the car and attempted to start it. It wouldn't start and it was a fairly new car in good condition. The man said when he turned the ignition key nothing happened. Totally dead. The woman went on to say that as they sat there they saw three figures approaching the car. This scared them. They didn't know who, or what these figures were. There was enough light to see that these figures were Humanoid. She said the last thing they remember is a voice saying "You will not be harmed!"
She went on to tell me that two hours later they woke up in the car. The lights in the field were gone. When the tried the car again it started, so they drove home. This sounded to my like the typical abduction story, so I asked a lot of questions. Did you feel nauseous? They didn't. Did you notice anything like a slight sunburn. They did. Were there any fresh wound marks on your bodies. There were. I asked was there any scarring from the wounds. There was. I asked if I could see the scarring. They showed me the marks on their right leg, just below the knee. Two small elongated little "trenches" about an inch long. These are known as "scoop marks". I asked if they remembered anything at all. Both said they both remembered voices saying "We will not harm you".
The woman asked me if I knew what had happened to them. I told them that they had been abducted and were probably medically examined. She asked why that had hppened. I didn't have an answer for that. She asked if there was anything more to worry about. I told them there wasn't.
Now...during this whole session with these people I looked for signs of lieing. There was none. When they spoke they looked me directly in the eyes and their eyes didn't "flit" around as liars do. So this event with them was real.
At the end of the session they both thanked me for listening and not making fun of them.
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Posted: 2/2/2008 11:05:58 AM | | ^^^very good two Hawks and thank you for sharing. It is reminiscent of the 'ol Barney and Betty Hill abduction scenario aye..but even more importantly...it shows a prevalent history or better, the fact that these events can and do take place on a regular basis in our midst or otherwise...usually a nocturnal event between the hours of 11 PM and 4 AM I would say and lasting between 1 to 4 hours on the average. The Travis Walton case was unique in the fact that his disappearance was for several days and he saw BOTH small greys AND humanoids. Most interesting. Your story also shows another prevalence however and a sad one to be sure. It shows the skeptical public and its unwillingness to accept such anomalies in our present day society. It is far too much for them to swallow it seems...yet most out there will admit, " Uhh..yeah there has to be other intelligent life...we would have to be pretty vain to think there's not!" End quote. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 11:46:20 AM | Fitman,
would you mind describing your experiences in seeing the orange globe thing, or any other? Also, I'm pretty ignorant to what the military does, etc. so this might seem like a dumb question, but, are there aircraft made so they can't be heard? | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 11:47:25 AM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
I have read some stuff about women becoming pregnant through normal methods, then for some reason or another, in the very early stages of the pregnancy the fetus vanishes. Not miscarried...just gone! The attending physicians have no explanation for it. I have a little difficulty believeing this, but I won't write it off as being fabricated.
Anyone else read anything about this?
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Posted: 2/2/2008 11:56:42 AM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
Zoretta:
I have heard, but there is no substantiation on it...that the technology for the Stealth Bomber and Fighter didn't come from this planet. As that story went...our government is in a trade agreement with Aliens. We give them permission to abduct and examine our people...they give us advanced technology. AGAIN....THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIATION ON THIS. This was a thing that was told to the group of MUFON people that I belong to.
Open for discussion.
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Posted: 2/2/2008 1:40:15 PM | | I have never seen one, nor do I actually know anyone who did. Still, I don't discount the possibility. And I think that assuming we are the only 'intelligent' life form - let alone any other type - in the universe is extreme vanity. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 3:46:58 PM |
And I think that assuming we are the only 'intelligent' life form - let alone any other type - in the universe is extreme vanity.
That "Aliens" exist is something that; due to the vastness of the universe, the mathematical probability buttresses the possibilty to the extent that the possibility is arguable, ...even in the absence of hard evidence. Our planet is but a small part of that vast universe however, and probability cannot be shown with the same or even similar certainty, and actually supports the antithesis of "They're here". | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 11:39:11 PM |
I have read some stuff about women becoming pregnant through normal methods, then for some reason or another, in the very early stages of the pregnancy the fetus vanishes. Not miscarried...just gone! The attending physicians have no explanation for it. I have a little difficulty believing this, but I won't write it off as being fabricated.
Anyone else read anything about this?
yes...and I have no great difficulty believing it. The book of Genesis also records beings from the sky taking earth woman and impregnating them. Furthermore, it is substantiated by countless abduction victims and their testimonies across the world. It is a most sad, mind-boggling scenario IMO. There seems to be a growing concern within the psychiatric community from the strange (and far too frequent) reports from people who claim to have been "abducted" by the occupants of UFOs. These reports are too bizarre to accept, and yet too frequent-and consistent-to ignore. What is particularly disturbing is the estimate from some national polls that as much as 3% of the population may be involved! Dr. John E. Mack from Cambridge Hospital, Harvard Med. School had the following to say:
Perhaps the most well-known researcher in this area is Dr. John E. Mack, who is professor of psychiatry at The Cambridge Hospital, Harvard Medical School. A contributor to over 150 articles in professional (peer-reviewed) journals and a former Pulitzer Prize winner, he certainly appears to have impressive credentials.
He has been involved in almost a hundred of these cases personally, and has shocked the professional community by declaring that he believes these beings may be real and that they appear to have an agenda to develop a hybrid race!
At a professional conference on abductions at M.I.T., Dr. Mack asked the provocative question, "If what these abductees are saying is happening to them isn't happening, then what is?"
Now, I want to share a personal event that happened to me back in 1992 or so. I truly believe now that this was one of those serendipitous or more likely, providential, rare moments in time which lays hold on your destiny...or future. It was like as if God was stopping me and saying, "yoohoo..over here...look what's happening around you." Whatever the case, it left an indelible yet surreal impression on me. One which I am not able to shake off as mere coincidence. It absolutely staggered me...please read on.
Years ago, I had a delivery job that covered several county areas. One day I arrived at a regular stop which happened to be a senior citizen complex tower. As I was stepping out and walking towards the building, others (residents) were arriving as well and walking in at the same time. I overheard the women's excitement over something that had apparently just happened.
Had I not been there at this exact moment in time, I would have missed a most interesting revelation. It boggles my mind every time I think back to remember.
The women, were saying that they were at an antique sale that was conducted outdoors.
They said they looked up in the sky and they watched as two clouds above began to come together and join. Then, the unbelievable happened. They said that there was a fall-out of some strange material that came from the clouds above. Then, a doll, which was sitting at one of the tables just lifted off and went up, up to where the clouds were joined and disappeared. The clouds then disappeared as well, leaving this "fall-out" material in the air.
It was years later that I made a serious connection to what those eyewitnesses casually observed.
In reading several case accounts of UFO abduction, I discovered an interesting point drawn out by abductee testimonies. It seemed that in some cases where early fetal removal occurred, the women recounted being allowed to see their babies later, after more development taking place. What's more interesting is that somehow, it was communicated that since the entities,(alien life form) did not quite understand human emotion, they used dolls or toys to provide the infants with proper emotional stimulation. -unbelievable!! | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 12:26:56 AM |
I have never seen one, nor do I actually know anyone who did. Still, I don't discount the possibility. And I think that assuming we are the only 'intelligent' life form - let alone any other type - in the universe is extreme vanity.
exactly my point. And having said this, would people dare to go as far as to believe that such forms of intelligence could be here whether interdimensionally or otherwise-- landing, making contact,(negative or positive) and possibly 'abducting' people of earth for whatever purposes?
Fitman,
would you mind describing your experiences in seeing the orange globe thing, or any other? Also, I'm pretty ignorant to what the military does, etc. so this might seem like a dumb question, but, are there aircraft made so they can't be heard?
Surely. I saw this thing from a pretty good distance at night of course...but it was in conjunction with other multiple UFOS at the same time. The fire ball one came across the sky from the right...and just kept going...It was too much to even comprehend...It is just too unimaginable to put into words..it's as if suddenly you are looking into another dimension which unveils itself to you personally. Yet on another occasion, I was with a group of three others..and we all saw the same scenario unfold...the whole night sky before us unveiled a huge assortment of different crafts, fireballs, cigar shapes, literally ALL kinds. We just stood there gasping...when over, we all knew we had glimpsed into something that man could no way have produced--at least not on THAT scale.
As for man-made engineered crafts being silent--yes--of course..I really need to figure a way to better categorize my files to my computer so I can just pull this stuff out when the need arises. Suffice to say that yes, they certainly have the capabilities and have had it for awhile I would say. Just ask Bob Lazar..oh wait..he really never worked there did he? Yeah. Yes-- I'm sure Area 51 and other installations were quite capable of producing this technology.
I have heard, but there is no substantiation on it...that the technology for the Stealth Bomber and Fighter didn't come from this planet. As that story went...our government is in a trade agreement with Aliens. We give them permission to abduct and examine our people...they give us advanced technology. AGAIN....THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIATION ON THIS. This was a thing that was told to the group of MUFON people that I belong to.
Open for discussion.
MUFON...yes interesting group. We lost a most precious UFO negative of a triangular craft to this organization here locally. Nice. There is strong evidence to substantiate the above trade agreement IMO. Not a nice secret aye. Such disinformation specialists.
Our planet is but a small part of that vast universe however, and probability cannot be shown with the same or even similar certainty, and actually supports the antithesis of "They're here".
Late~ As for the vastness of the universe and the far reaches of space and so forth, the following article gives more clues IMO on the debatable issues re. space travel. It is from a Creationist view point mind you..but I thought you might consider it for good review.
Faster Than The Speed of Light
by Lambert Dolphin Lambert Dolphin, Physicist Website
Superman was able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, he was more powerful than a locomotive, and he was said to be able to travel faster than a speeding bullet.
The speed of a bullet is no big deal in these days of supersonic aircraft and spacecraft. Yet our fastest space vehicles do no better than one one-hundred thousandth of the current speed of light.
Overcoming gravity (the weakest of all the forces of physics) still takes lots of push and power. The moon remains many days away and the planets many months when traveling as fast as current chemical rocket technology allows.
The nearest star is 4 x 1017 meters away, and the current estimated size for the entire universe is greater than that by ten orders of magnitude or so (about 1026 meters). For a long time the hope of space travel has been left almost entirely in the hands of the science fiction writers.
Yet with God there are invariably hidden truths waiting to be discovered that make the best that men can imagine seem like kindergarten.
Newtonian mechanics imposes no maximum upper limit to attainable velocities in the universe, but Einstein's relativity theory does. As charged particles are pushed up near the present speed of light they grow heavier, and more and more energy input is required to gain a smaller and smaller increment of increased velocity.
At the Stanford Linear Accelerator (SLAC), near where I live, electrons injected in the accelerator reach 99.999% of the velocity of light in the first few feet of travel, and then they ride, traveling radio waves for two miles down a long evacuated pipe, gaining virtually no additional speed, but mostly acquiring mass (and therefore energy). There is no reason to doubt the highly successful and well-verified theory of relativity in this regard. One can point to countless examples of proven relativistic effects whenever charged particles are involved.
Physicist Hal Puthoff1 has recently suggested that the ability of a spacecraft to modify the properties of space in its immediate vicinity could allow it to travel faster than light. This is because the speed of light is simply a measure of two properties of the medium of space, or the vacuum: permeability and permittivity. It has been tacitly assumed by some theoreticians that the speed of light might be a measure not only of the electrical properties of space, but the mechanical properties of space as well. It now turns out that this is probably not the case!
A very exciting possibility has now come into the light. It has long been known that gravitational forces apparently act instantaneously over the entire universe. Why this should be so is simply glossed over and ignored in every generation of physics classes and in countless technical papers.
One way to understand this is to consider what is called "the classical aberration of light"-which was discovered by Bradley in 1728. In fact, aberration data became one of the early methods for measuring the speed of light. Light from the sun requires 8.3 minutes to travel from the sun to the earth during which time the sun and the earth have moved as much as 20 arc seconds with respect to each other.
Similarly, light from the stars arrives at an angle which can be as much as 20 arc seconds because the earth is moving with respect to the stars. It is by carefully measuring these aberration angles, and knowing the relative velocities involved, that Bradley made excellent and trustworthy measurements of the velocity of light 250 years ago.
However, during the time interval it takes light to travel from the sun to the earth, the sun and the earth have kept in touch with each other "instantaneously"-or at least very much faster than c! In fact every mass in the universe communicates with all other masses in the universe in a time frame that makes the present speed of light seem like the velocity of molasses on a cold day!
Astronomer Tom Van Flandern has recently detailed all the evidence that shows that gravitational forces, unlike light, operate with no measurable aberration!2
But Van Flandern shows that there are sound reasons for believing that the "speed of gravity" is not infinite. By carefully studying the observable data, Van Flandern now concludes that the speed of gravity is greater than or equal to the present speed of light by a factor of 2 x 1010.
This velocity (6 x 1018 meters per second) turns out to be just below Barry Setterfield's latest estimate of the speed of light everywhere in the universe on Day Two of creation week! Setterfield arrives at this initial velocity of light on the basis of the maximum observed Hubble constant, which gives an initial value of c that turns out to be 2.54 x 1010 times the present value.3
Since creation week, the diameter of the universe has been constant (a static universe) and the speed of light has dropped precipitously to its present value-following decay curves we can now piece together with some confidence based on (a) measured values of c for the last 300 years, (b) corrections to known radioactive decay dates which go back to approximately 2000 B.C., and (c) the observed quantization of the red shift of light from distant galaxies for the time period from creation to about the time of Abraham.
As the universe aged, the free space permittivity and permeability increased and c decreased - but the velocity of gravity may not be tied to the permittivity and permeability of free space!
If this is the case, the velocity of gravity stayed at the original velocity of c. If we can produce a propulsion system based on gravitational principles rather than electromagnetic or chemical ones, we could travel at absolutely enormous speeds-we could hope to push a space craft anywhere in the universe, very literally at warp speeds beyond what even the Starship Enterprise could produce!
By the way, this discussion solely relates to the physical part of the created universe. For now we must defer discussion about how angels travel and communicate - they are spiritual beings. And we must postpone speculation about what we followers of Jesus the Lord may find ourselves capable of doing when we don our new resurrection bodies (these bodies are, after all, "not of this creation"-but spiritual bodies-see 1 Corinthians 15).
If Van Flandern and Setterfield are correct, space travel may indeed be just around the corner! A fringe benefit is that we may at last have clues to help us begin to understand the well-documented behavior of countless UFOs, whose velocity and acceleration behavior has thus far defied explanation by conventional physics.
**NOTES**
1. JSE Review by H. E. Puthoff, Ph.D., Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin, Austin, TX 78759. Available on my web pages, http://www.ldolphin.org/hill.html. Puthoff reviews the book Synopsis of Unconventional Flying Objects, by Paul Hill, Hampton Roads Publ. Co., Charlottesville, VA, 1995 (ISBN 1-57174-027-9). The latter is an outstanding analysis of possible UFO propulsion schemes by a retired a Chief Scientist-Manager at NASA's Langley Research Center.
2. 2.Tom Van Flandern, "The Speed of Gravity: What the Experiments Say", Meta Research Bulletin, Vol. 6 No. 4, December 15, 1997. See http://www.metaresearch.org.
3. 3.Barry Setterfield, Box 318, Blackwood 5051 SA, Australia, private communication., 1/7/98. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 12:48:29 AM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
Msg 343:
Fitman. What you said in your last post is what I read about the missing fetus incidents. There is talk in the UFO community that maybe possibly the Aliens are, for want of other words, cross breeding us with them. Getting a "Human Hybred". Genetically engineering a race for some unknown purpose. Talk along those lines says maybe, possibly the Aliens have discovered a "little blue marble" like Earth in another galaxy that needs to be populated? This is, of course, pure speculation and not based on any known fact. It is thought that when Humans are abducted, sperm and eggs are taken for the express purpose of creating an Alien/Human hybred. It is known in the scientific community that the Human body...as we know it....is the most adaptable to any type of environment. So...rather than take us as we are, they are genetically engineering another race. An Alien/Human Hybred and these will be taken to the "new world" for population.
Does that make sense?
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| Have you ever actually seen a UFO?
Posted: 2/3/2008 9:23:07 AM | There is talk in the UFO community that maybe possibly the Aliens are, for want of other words, cross breeding us with them. Getting a "Human Hybred". Genetically engineering a race for some unknown purpose. Talk along those lines says maybe, possibly the Aliens have discovered a "little blue marble" like Earth in another galaxy that needs to be populated? This is, of course, pure speculation and not based on any known fact. It is thought that when Humans are abducted, sperm and eggs are taken for the express purpose of creating an Alien/Human hybred.
I am not so sure of this and have not read into much on the theory but I have seen some eyewitness info. re. same. I think it was the Andreassen (spelling?)account of other populated planets. It stands to reason they are existing 'somewhere' but whether here, sub-surface, inter-dimensionally, Oceanic, or otherwise is not entirely clear. For all we know it could be 'all of the above' or even 'most of the above.'
The unknown purpose is what scares me. I have my own theories...but one thing I am quite certain of is that it is taking place...that is--the hybrid interbreeding. | |
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| Have you ever actually seen a UFO?
Posted: 2/3/2008 9:52:32 AM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
What I said on Msg 344 is all speculation, but it does, in a way, make sense. There are no hard facts on this. It's a kind of "just suppose" thing. As for the unknown purpose, that makes me a little nervous too, but I don't think it's evil. I honestly don't think the entire thing about them being here and visiting is evil. I'm guessing there's a scientific purpose behind it. It's definitely not the typical Hollywood scenario of "little green men from Jupiter land and conquer Earth".
We don't know what their purpose is here, but I would guess that eventually we will?
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| Have you ever actually seen a UFO?
Posted: 2/3/2008 10:22:10 AM | We don't know what their purpose is here, but I would guess that eventually we will?
correct. We see thru a dark glass now..but someday it will not be so. Truth be told.
I would disagree somewhat on the more benevolent/sinister elements of the phenomenon...which I see as being more malevolent than anything else. I do not buy the whole..."we are here for the purpose of studying you as ants kinda philosophy." They have a planned purpose which dictates the violation of one's physical body and being..for me, there is no justification for this. There is evidence which suggests there are as many as 13 different races of alien beings on or visiting the earth currently...of which only two are seemingly benevolent. | |
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| Have you ever actually seen a UFO?
Posted: 2/3/2008 11:09:47 AM | Two Hawks & Fitman:
Thank you both - for sharing. Prior to the night I saw "my ufo" I had never put a lot of thought into them. Some of the things you guys have mentioned are kinda "out there." VERY interesting, to say the least! Opens up a whole new realm of ? what? I don't know if I even want to know! lol! | |
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| Have you ever actually seen a UFO?
Posted: 2/3/2008 3:55:11 PM | Hey Gus...
There is evidence which suggests there are as many as 13 different races of alien beings on or visiting the earth currently...of which only two are seemingly benevolent.
This is something I don't buy... here's why:
Consider why humankind throughout its history are the low-life they are, the warmongers, intolerant/incapable of bringing the world together in love. We have not grown up to the basic human understanding of many things - we are not capable of thinking ourselves free from aggression. Does anyone suppose that highly superior intelligent beings (who will not only be thousands but possible hundreds of thousands of years more advanced than us) would not have mastered the art of oneness?
It's something to think about. :) | |
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| Have you ever actually seen a UFO?
Posted: 2/3/2008 11:46:56 PM | Two Hawks tqakes the Talking Stick:
Msg 347 :
I do not buy the whole..."we are here for the purpose of studying you as ants kinda philosophy."
Nor ants, per se. More like "lab rats"  There was a lot of posting about anal probing. When you look at it from the practical standpoint...that's a direct route to your insides! There isn't a better way to see how the inner organs are laid out and how they work. You could pass a probe through the mouth and downward, but the probe would have to be much longer. Then you also have to consider the "gag reflex" and this can cause problems with probing. So....if the Aliens are, in fact, doing anal probing my guess would be they want to see our internal organs?
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