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Thank you both - for sharing. Prior to the night I saw "my ufo" I had never put a lot of thought into them. Some of the things you guys have mentioned are kinda "out there." VERY interesting, to say the least! Opens up a whole new realm of ? what? I don't know if I even want to know! lol!

Nor ants, per se. More like "lab rats" There was a lot of posting about anal probing. When you look at it from the practical standpoint...that's a direct route to your insides! There isn't a better way to see how the inner organs are laid out and how they work. You could pass a probe through the mouth and downward, but the probe would have to be much longer. Then you also have to consider the "gag reflex" and this can cause problems with probing. So....if the Aliens are, in fact, doing anal probing my guess would be they want to see our internal organs?

If abduction scenario cases are accurate and a hybrid-interbreeding program is in place, why would these beings of such a higher development and 'oneness' even desire to mix themselves with the human race? Wouldn't such a union take away from their superior development.

Plan to create human-cow embryos

UK scientists have applied for permission to create embryos by fusing human DNA with cow eggs.

Researchers from Newcastle University and Kings College, London, have asked the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority for a three-year licence.

The hybrid human-bovine embryos would be used for stem cell research and would not be allowed to develop for more than a few days.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6121280.stm

If we as humans are so inferior in our own design, why is it that these beings (seemingly from what the evidence suggests) appear to not have even the innate capacity for such tangible and beautifully unique qualities as emotion or empathy??

And here's the kicker--what can possibly be restraining these 'alien' forces from a complete take over of our species right now?

Here's another kicker--Why haven't they or the government for that matter, made their motives and presence here abundantly clear unless there are 'other' ulterior motives besides the lame, tired, best interests 'national security' issue.

I am also not willing to put my trust for my eternal well-being or otherwise on any sort of outer-space connection as many have sought to do in this day and age. To openly embrace such unknown entities is pure 'Russian roulette' on a cosmic level.

"Daddy" is never going to want to introduce you to a new stepfather.

If that culture is far superior, the fact of it's existence means there could be grave social problems telling people about it. Who needs to reveal an unbeatable enemy to their people ? The fact that it would possibly destroy (or at least cause huge paradigm shifts in) things like religion.

Oh...they are one hundred times superior to us and ....they think religion is silly, and God doesn't exist ? The people AREN'T going to take that one too easily. You think we have problems now ?

Just wait until everyone realizes that God and religion are some quaint local customs in our neck of the galaxy. If the little green men start saying there's no real moral cost against doing evil, and you just die and rot - watch out.

Little green men versus old guy sitting on a throne in the clouds ? That's essentially the concept of religion and faith, if you think about it.

There is another theory that alien beings are our future selves, that they are a far superior evolved race of humans. It’s interesting because it answers some of the questions raised on this thread. Why, for example, they don’t make public appearances. It could be that it would damage the natural balance of our development. Maybe this has already been compromised. This could be why those in government have to keep it quite… “You didn’t see anything here today, nothing happened!” suddenly resonates in the ears of those who did. :)

Our brains would have evolved to such a level that we never needed to physically do anything. Our bodies would look less muscular, the muscles no longer used would disappear from anything resembling what they once were. The superior brain powers everything, self-healing as natural as breathing takes place. The texture and colour of our skins has altered beyond anything we would recognize today, even our sexual orientation alters, maybe the organs have withered, become nothing, the act of sexual intercourse is played out between two beings in an psychological dance of spiritual oneness… and what they feel is pure love.

I am a Field Investigator for MUFON and I have interviewed about a dozen people who have had a "lost time" experience.

that's quite the 'novel' idea there Sky--care to put it into print? lol ...I don't buy it though. It doesn't jibe with the 'Nordic' variety either does it?

Two Hawks--in your case studies--did you ever investigate the scene or scenes where the abductions actually took place?

The "Nordics" of which you speak are probably those from the Pleiadian Star System. They are Human in appearance and somewhat larger than Earth Humans.

In one of the interviews I did with abductees...the pair from Texas...the said that they had remembered seeing someone very Human like along with the Greys. They also remember a voice telling them they would not be harmed in any way. They presumed it had come from the Human like person? In the UFO circle it is said that the Greys are the ones that do the examining and sometimes have a more Human like person with them. A supervisor???

Simon suggested that Betty sketch a copy of the "star map". She hesitated, thinking she would be unable to accurately depict the three-dimensional quality of the map she says she saw on the ship. Eventually, however, she did what Simon suggested. Although she said the map had many stars, she drew only those that stood out in her memory. Her map consisted of twelve prominent stars connected by lines and three lesser ones that formed a distinctive triangle. She said she was told the stars connected by solid lines formed "trade routes" whereas dashed lines were to less-traveled stars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_and_Barney_Hill_abduction

"Deciphering" the star map
Map of Zeta Reticuli, according to Betty Hill and Marjorie Fish
Map of Zeta Reticuli, according to Betty Hill and Marjorie Fish

In 1968, Marjorie Fish of Oak Harbor, Ohio read Fuller's Interrupted Journey. She was an elementary school teacher and amateur astronomer. Intrigued by the "star map", Fish wondered if it might be "deciphered" to determine which star system the UFO came from.

Assuming that one of the fifteen stars on the map must represent the Earth's sun, Fish constructed a 3-dimensional model of nearby sun-like stars using thread and beads, basing stellar distances on those published in the 1969 Gliese Star Catalog. Studying thousands of vantage points over several years, the only one that seemed to match the Hill map was from the viewpoint of the double star system of Zeta Reticuli. Therefore she concluded that the UFO might have come from planets orbiting Zeta Reticuli.

As a result of Fish's hypothesis, some have dubbed the Hills' account The Zeta Reticuli Incident. Most Ufologists, however, continue to prefer the Hill Abduction or some similar term.

Distance information needed to match three stars, forming the distinctive triangle Hill said she remembered, was not generally available until the 1969 Gliese Catalog came out. Fish also was the first to note that all the stars on the map connected by lines (which Betty Hill said she was told were trade or frequently-traveled routes) fell in a plane, with Zeta Reticuli acting as a hub. Thus the displayed routes would be the most logical and efficient way of exploring the nearby stellar neighborhood for a civilization located in Zeta Reticuli. These points played critical roles in the subsequent debates over the validity of the Fish match to the Hill map.

It was also pointed out that Zeta Reticuli is highly unusual in being the only known example of a wide double star system consisting of two stars very similar to the sun. One of the articles in the Astronomy magazine debate, on the ages of the stars in the Hill/Fish map, said evidence pointed to the Reticulan system being 1 to 3 billion years older than our own, with the suggestion that this would have permitted another intelligence race to have evolved much sooner than we did and be considerably more advanced. Furthermore, it was noted the two stars are very close together (now believed to be only 1/8 light year apart), whereas the nearest star similar to the sun, Tau Ceti, is 12 light years away. It was argued that the closeness of the two sun-like stars would likely have acted as a considerable spur to developing interstellar travel.

However, it was also noted that the Zeta Reticulan stars are metal poor compared to the sun, raising questions as to whether a solar system like our own would have developed, whether sufficient carbon existed for life to have even arisen, or whether sufficient quantities of such metals would have been available to create a technological civilization even if there was an earthlike planet and advanced life in the Reticulan system.

Skeptic Robert Sheaffer in an accompanying article said that a map devised by Charles W. Atterberg, about the same time as Fish, was an even better match to Hill's map and made more sense. The base stars, Epsilon Indi and Epsilon Eridani plus the others were also closer to the sun than the Hill map. Fish counterargued that the base stars in the Atterberg map were considered much less likely to harbor life than Zeta Reticuli and the map lacked a consistent grouping of sun-like stars along the lined routes, unlike her map.

- Ibid

"Betty described the map as three-dimensional, like looking through a window. The stars were tinted and glowed. The map material was flat and thin (not a model), and there were no noticeable Lenticular lines like one of our three-dimensional processes. (It sounds very much like a reflective hologram.)"

Betty did not shift her position while viewing it, so we cannot tell if it would give the same three-dimensional view from all positions or if it would be completely three-dimensional. Betty estimated the map was approximately three feet wide and two feet high with the pattern covering most of the map. She was standing about three feet away from it. She said there were many other stars on the map but she only (apparently) was able to specifically recall the prominent ones connected by lines and a small distinctive triangle off to the left. There was no concentration of stars to indicate the Milky Way (galactic plane) suggesting that if it represented reality, it probably only contained local stars. There were no grid lines."

Marjorie Fish on her interview with Betty Hill

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=138294

Many skeptics are quick to point out, “oh, but these could be any random stars in the universe!”. That is where they are wrong. The important point is that these aren’t just random stars, they are mostly yellow stars, like our own (which, while not rare, are not the most common). Also, the lines of travel drawn are between these yellow stars (just like those of Zeti-Reticuli, and our own solar system). That kind of a coincidence is not random, nor even in the realm of probability. According to Betty, these beings were exploring stars similar to their own.

- Ibid

He begins by examining the claim that blastocysts -- the human reproductive cells desired for stem-cell research -- are probably not human, and certainly not "beings" any more than are fingernail clippings, which also contain an individual's complete DNA code.

http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/issues/is-lak.htm

The doctor used a hypodermic needle some four to six inches long to conduct what he said was a pregnancy exam. He thrust the needle into Betty's navel, which caused her agonizing pain, but the doctor rubbed her forehead and the pain vanished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_and_B

Returning in a few minutes, the leader examined Betty's mouth and seemed to be trying to pull her teeth from her mouth. When this was unsuccessful, the leader asked why her teeth were fixed while Barney's came out of his mouth. Laughing, Betty told them that Barney wore dentures because humans often lose their teeth as they age.

- Ibid

As far as I am aware there hasnt been a single provable case of people being abducted by aliens. If there was, there would be a huge hue and cry and goverment investigations. But no, there hasnt been because it hasnt happened.

I'm not disputing the similarities skypoet. But thats immaterial, its how much of that was due to prompting by somebody who did know star maps or perhaps a book she had read in her youth. And thats the biggest part of the problem. Objectivity.

I wonder if there is a way, other than spending all my free time chasing rumours, that one can increase the possibility of seeing one?