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Posted: 1/25/2006 12:42:53 PM | LOL@ this thread.
The fact that medical science makes it possible for cosmetic surgery to alter peoples appearences does not mean that they are having a gender changed.
A guy getting castrated and getting a set of implants and some estrogen shots does not make him a woman. It's not like he suddenly has a uterus, a new cromosone or is in any way female. A woman taking test shots and buying a strap on does not make her a man. The idea is laughable. Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. | |
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| Dating a Transsexual / Transgender Person
Posted: 1/25/2006 1:34:30 PM | Does wearing a green peter pan suit make you peter pan? lol
I see alot of opinions here and not alot of scientific fact.
Instead of basing statements on hard and fast drilled into the head bigotry...maybe people should read up on Gender Dysphoria...and biological gender anomolies... and then post.
Otherwise what you say is based only on fear and lack of knowledge.
People are born every day with mixed up gender... mixed up chromosomes... physical and psychological deformities. Why is it so hard to understand that GENDER is not immuned to these physical and psychological variances!???
(comic relief)I dated a chicken once that used to be a rooster... wow was she hot...lol
gender variance in nature is a reality... and yes as human ..we are not immuned to this reality. No matter what your red neck hooded daddy told you.
It is fear, ignorance and misinformation that does not let this reality coexist in harmony with the gender norms of society.
Instead those who need treatment for this condition are called freak, fag, or any other derogatory term that allows an ignorant person to feel better about what they fear or dont understand.
argh %^#%^!%!@%&@& etc ! | |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 1:56:45 PM | Gender dysphoria? That's a mental illness right? Yep it sure is.
So why would you treat a mental illness with cosmetic surgery, that would be the equivalent of treating aneroxia with appetite supressants.
So you can make all the ad hominem attacks against me you want, that will not in anyway alter the fact that trannys have a mental problem, that cosmetic surgery does not change gender, and that many heterosexuals consider the idea of dating a tranny to be utterly revolting.
If you love trannys so much go date one. | |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 2:11:50 PM | Altering genitals is not a cosmetic procedure.
For years shrinks tried treating male to female transsexual with testosterone...thinking it was a lack of male hormone causing the problem. the result was alot of even more severel;y ****ed up ...and now suicidal people.
So the treament approach was changed to surgical intervention.
If a baby is born with a deformity. Do you deny this baby surgery to correct it.
Why is it ok to trash patients with gender dysphoria and call their attempt at being happy, wrong. The recognized treatment for gender dysphoria is HRT and surgery...thats a fact jack.
Maybe. just maybe... transsexuals simply have deformed genitals.
Genitals that do NOT match their brains. there are many theories as to why this occurs.
you do not want to think this possible because it goes against your inherent moral fiber.
what you've been taught in your cookie cutter black and white belief system.
variances of gender are wide and extensive....
read and learn...
http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TSsuccesses/TSgallery1.html
you can be peter pan all you like... I just think its immoral... not natural ...lol ...its a joke...laugh | |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 2:17:32 PM |
If a baby is born with a deformity. Do you deny this baby surgery to correct it.
If a baby is born with no deformity, but thinks it has a deformity do you surgically mutilate its genitals and artificially create a deformity in order to reinforce its original, incorrect view? | |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 2:23:25 PM | no you dont... if a baby is born with pysically mixed up genitals...the new procedure is to wait until the child is able to decide how they feel about gender. that can occur at 12...20 or never....
What I meant was... do we deny people born with deformites of any kind...the surgery to correct it?
no is the normal kind answer to that question.
however... people born confused about gender must live qwith it? | |
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Posted: 1/25/2006 2:41:59 PM | Physical deformity is one thing, but a person born with a physically healthy body with no medical problems is not deformed. I like your selection of the term "confused" to describe the problem. It is very accurate.
But confusion, or even deep dissatisfaction with one's body is not a surgical problem. It's a mental one that needs mental health care, at least from my perspective. The so called sex change operation, which is merely a series of cosmetic surgeries does not realistically change anyoned gender, it merely modifies cosmetic features in a manner that allows someone to pass ( unconvinceingly) for the opposite gender. Its no more profound or real than Michael Jackson's skin lightening. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 2:47:19 AM | I am well aware that my xy will never be xx. I am also quite aware how much better I feel after surgery.... and I am aware of many more people who feel the same way.
So if the brain has been proven to be female in autopsies of transgendered people.
Is that not a physical deformity that cant be operated on realistically?
That is...BRAIN surgery cant be performed to turn the female brain into a male one?
So the alternative chosen treatment by the medical profession was to come up with an alternative to help people like me. That being surgery on the body to match the emotional/psychological interior.
It is not a cosmetic surgery. In my case it was a life savingt surgery.
So I dont give a rats ass what the hell you think about it. I feel way better and am far more functional than I was prior to the medical intervention.
No magic pill helped. If it existed I would have taken it.
To the person who brough God into this. apparently it is ok for God to produce children connected at the hip or conjoined at the head... or with cleft lip and pallet...
BUT...it is not feasable that a persons mind could be out of sync with body image.
Why is it not feasable... cuz it makle you feel weird and icky and drity and immoral...cuz... society has taught you that TS people are just freaks to be ridiculed and not to be taken care of medically...becasue they dont count. Men are men and women are women and that just all ther is too it...and tough shit if you feel all out of wack... have a labotomy or something and calm down. Maybe electric shock or a good beating will turn that old femmy noggin around and you to can enjoy guzzling and farting like the rest of us good ol boys.
Medical treatment has been established for the transgender community.
Like it or lump it.
Shemales are not transsexuals... only a handful are.
Most are just fetishist men out to make a buck from guys who like chicks with****.
...and there are plenty.
Beleive me... if there was another choice for me I would have persued it.
I had years of therapy... the only thing that came out of it was that I was TS and needed treatment. I took the recommended treatment.
...and I thank every last professional in all medical fields.
They were and are a life saver for many GOOD people!
I've said enough on this topic.
I am right and you are wrong na na na na na na...
I'm taking my ball and bat and I'm going home ! lol | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:43:45 AM | I said I "was" confused prior to surgery due to the incongruance of mind and body.
I am no longer confused. The recommended treatment worked... and worked well.
aren't you happy for me ? lol
they used to use electric shock on gender identity patients. it only hurt.
they used to pump gender ID patients full of the hormones that matched their birth gender...
it only hurt more...
Now they come up with a treatment that actually works for people and you have to call it cosmetic... have to criticize and cut it down...
the fact speak loud and clear for themselves...
Those who seek surgical intervention...need it !
http://www.hbigda.org/
http://www.symposion.com/ijt/index.htm
http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Netherlands/Wrong%20Body.html
http://www.minddisorders.com/Py-Z/Transvestic-fetishism.html
http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/InSite?page=cftg-01-01 | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 3:51:36 AM | the treatment I received is NOT perfect. All I know is I feel way better !
Like it or not !
The ideal cure would something to prevent people being born with a mixed up idea of what gender is... a genetic and biological conformation to societal norms... good luck. It aint gonna happen any time soon.
one more link...
http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/TS-II.html | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 5:18:11 AM | The answer is no way...and I would like to add that I believe these people have major issues about who they are...I'd like a man who knows who the heck he is | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 5:21:48 AM | I don't have a problem with transgender people.. I believe that they are born that way.. as are gays and lesbians.. my sis is a lesbian and she was that way from when she was a kid..
what made me confused was a transgender person who was a male but liked female.. was he a lesbian in a man's body.. and i'm not trying rude.. just trying to understand.. when I asked him he couldn't give me a very clear answer.. | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 6:09:33 AM | I once lived in an apartment above a "she" that had once been a "he". She lived (and married) a woman......I was totally confused by this and as our friendship grew, I got up the nerve to ask. I was told (as has been stated already, and written far better then I will) that gender and sexual preference have nothing to do with each other.
I also notice that two people on this thread openly admit in their profiles that they are no longer the sex they were when born. I applaud your honesty!!  You shouldn't be ashamed of who you are any more then the rest of us. I don't fully understand but who cares? It's likely if I told you details of my life that you may not understand........ would I want you to judge me? I think not!! | |
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Posted: 1/26/2006 6:15:02 AM | If you can wrap your head around this fact you will understand.
Gender identity has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
If it did...all female would like men...and all men would like women.
10 percent of TS people...as with the public in general... are attracted to the same sex.
in other words... if a person has a gender change from male to female... and they prefered women before the change... chances are that preference will not change.
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Posted: 1/26/2006 1:26:22 PM | To Kisskimmy: You are very welcome. It's too bad that the majority of "understanding" a situation seems to mostly come in situations that we have PERSONAL experience.
I have no TRUE understanding of this topic.........but I know I asked (the house mates I lived with......old house divided up into two apartments....I lived upstairs) and I know the explanation actually made sense. That doesn't mean I understand how it FEELS, it simply means that I learned (from my neighbor) a very different perspective then any I'd heard/learned/or even THOUGHT about before.
If I were to bare something SO personal (as you have.....so let's AT LEAST give credit for TOTAL honesty here POF readers!!) there is good chance I would be judged.....as well as everyone else. So maybe we're too scared? Maybe this means is too formal? (I don't personally agree with that...I've just heard it brought up in the forums) ANYWAY!! That's why I applaud your honesty!
This world is made up of MAAAAANNNNNYYYYYY different types of people!!
Now.....do you wear fur? THAT would get me MADDDDDD!! 
Let the slaying begin............ | |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 2:23:08 PM | To each his own preference.
I would not go out with with this choice. I have a right to choose whom I want to willingly mate and date with. We all have civil rights as human beings.
As human beings we all have rights in the U.S. of A. Live and let live, as long as it doesn't corrupt infants, children and up to 16 year olds or depending on the laws of each state and country..
I see alot of this people in denial, people changing into another sex state of persons on Jerry Springer show. To trick and decive is fraud. That's why this show is so popular, people don't like to be tricked into a relationship with a same sex person.
If I were a man and a woman tricked me with his surgical made vagina, I would sue the person.
I think all men should ask women if they are a natural born woman, I have no problem being asked this question. Since men changing into women have surgical made vaginas.
Or men who use women as a front cuz they are gay, "+ag +ags", also dispicable and fraud. I wonder if people can sue on this as personal injury? Let me check up on this. I think when a man tricks a man or takes advantage of a drunken man is despitable and fraud. And also when a woman tricks a woman that she is a man how horrible and fraud. To hurt and confuse other persons because of your selfish sexual lifestyle is horrible and fraud. If you want to live as a woman when you were born a man, then be up front with everybody. To decive is not a good karma move. Yeah, we all tell little lies, just not a whopper like this type. Wow! | |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 6:08:29 PM | Well unfortunately deceit is common all around.. men deceive women all the time and women men.. heck if I could sue for being used by a man.. i'd be rich at this point.. saddly its all to common..
but i'm talking about people who are upfront with their gender...
honestly I don't think I would have a problem dating a female transgender person who has had a complete sex change to a man.. I wouldn't however be able to date a transgender man whose had a complete sex change to a woman..
but now it clear that the transgender men who like women the change is not sexually oriented.. its physical.. which makes things a lot clearer for me..
thanks to those TG people who came here and openly and honestly answered my question. | |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 6:44:46 PM | Whatever makes a person happy, and otherwise, give a shit what other folk think, let them work out their own miseries, but anyway, OP, nothing wrong with not going for a woman if you don't dig chicks.
I had a thing with this really tall woman, very amazonian, and very attractive, massive feet, but they worked to her scale.
She had a secret that she kept on alluding to, and me, being superbrain, after adding up various comments she'd made, came to the presumption that she used to be a bloke.
Having great boobage, etc, and a fertile bedroom imagination, I was all prepared to live with this, indeed, I am open-minded and a brave soldier.
I was highly disappointed to discover that she was merely an ex-gambler.  | |
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Posted: 1/27/2006 7:47:55 PM | | Daca, I agree with you. I have several gay/lesbian friends and some TG friends as well. The worlds outlook and treatment of these people because of their ignorance is very sad. I wouldn't trade my friends for anything. I applaud those that spoke up in defense....... | |
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