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| Is God cursing the US?
Posted: 10/31/2005 4:55:43 PM | well,,,uhmmmm!...we can be grateful that GWB is in charge, otherwise God woulda really let us (americans) have it!!
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Posted: 10/31/2005 5:21:03 PM | People that don't believe the same things that you do are going to hell. That's what you're saying?
Good god, it's your soul that needs praying for. Will do. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2005 6:03:03 PM | | I felt that what Jerry Falwell said of 9/11 was disrespectful of the people that died. Do you think he would have said it was "God taking away his protective hand" if Falwell's wife had died in the twin towers? I certainly don't. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2005 6:08:17 PM | Just note here ,
Was it not at the time of this storm being developed, Gaza strip was being vacated?
Just as the Hurricane was being developed over the gulf there was Military in the Gaza strip vacating people from their homes by force.
God's people... brute force by military.
Humm
Then if there was anywhere in the US God wanted to be known it was New orleans. Now does this make a bit more sense?
I appreciate you input on how Amsterdamn compares with LA. But I think the Big picture makes things a bit more relavant. God is in the midst of making himself know these are all the warnings for ppl.
He loves you too much to see you carry on as you are or as you where. Reform your lives, that includes myself beaware the world is screaming but to what end. God does not wish for any sinner to die, he wishes for them to repent their old ways that is all.
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Posted: 10/31/2005 8:13:15 PM | This thread sums up why religion just doesn't do it for me.It's so myopic to think that recent bad stuff is happening because people aren't up on their scriptures or they're drinking beer on Sunday or wanking off to a Hustler magazine.Whatever.
Ever really looked at the basic scientific reasons behind recent weather phenomena?If you look at it OBJECTIVELY,it takes on a completely different outlook.
You have to have a really big ego and think really highly of yourself to believe that natural catastrophies and such are related to human behavior,especially when you look at in a geological time frame.These things have happened all over the world for millenia and will continue to happen.
Here is the reason for morals folks,has nothing to do with a big daddy figure up there with a belt ready to whack us when we fuk up.Morals are natural laws.They are there so we can operate efficiently physically,mentally and socially.When you break those laws and you suffer,it's not because God spanked you,it's because you did something that your body or your social construct wasn't designed to do,an act akin to running diesel fuel in a Volkswagon or using chocolate for brick mortar or eating M and M's instead of the antibiotics your doctor prescribed.
If recent natural catastrophies have anything to do with our behavior,it's because we develop too much too quickly and build in places not designed for human inhabitation. We are the only species on the planet that expects nature to adapt to us. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2005 11:35:18 PM | I drew and sold an editorial cartoon recently that related to this.
The traditional guy on the street corner with his sign that reads "The End is Near!"
The next panel, he is running for his life with a huge wave chasing him, his sign now hastily scribbled "The End is Here!"
It's all on the perspective.
Personally, I think Mother Nature is indifferent to us.
Toon | |
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Posted: 10/31/2005 11:39:56 PM | Dear Gorilla Grod:
Have you ever asked yourself why you are mocked from time to time on this Forum? You need look no further than your own postings to learn the reason why. For example, the God of Love according to you, has this up his sleeve: "All the works of Satan, the fornication, the drug use, the pornography, THE OTHER RELIGIONS in this country, the occultism, the promotion of homosexuality, will all be burnt up, just like Sodom and Gomorrah with superheated sulphur fire, but those who are true to God, like Jerry(Fallwell?), Pat and George, will shine forever in the kingdom of God the Father for ever and ever amen."
My dear loving Christian brother, you support faith in the greatest mass murderer in the entire history of the physical universe, all planets included. God as you describe him is unworthy of our affections. He's a despicable monster. Satan is a **** cat beside God.
The really problematic thing here isn't that you believe such things, but that you don't consider them anything but what your average Christian should believe (i.e that people from other faiths are actually Satanists, who worship in accordance with Satans plan, and are therefore condemned to eternal damnation, with no appeal).
Your casual attitude towards the future of mankind, and how they will swell the population in Hell by their presence, is not dissimilar to senior Nazi officials who with the stroke of their pens could condemn to death millions of innocent Jew and Homosexuals. During your 1000 reign it will be run in much the same way won't it. I can see God smiling now and rubbing his hands as all of the unfortunate majority of people on the planet are carted off to Hell to spend eternity in utter pain for their failure to surrender their right to worship freely. Oh, and by the way, the German Army had as their motto in both the first and second world wars, the phrase "Gott Mit Uns", which translated God is With Us! That's just what you said, "God is on my side".
Have you ever asked why Americans are so badly hated in the international community? What do you expect from people whom YOU would condemn to hell?
Shame on you, shame on you. But, it's not too late to repent...
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Posted: 11/1/2005 1:42:15 AM | I support Jerry Falwell 100 percent, for your information.
Well you lost all credibility with me with that one tiny little statement.
And flyguy...
I felt that what Jerry Falwell said of 9/11 was disrespectful of the people that died. Do you think he would have said it was "God taking away his protective hand" if Falwell's wife had died in the twin towers? I certainly don't.
Oh Im sure falwells statements would have been COMPLETELY different had he known anyone that parished during 9/11. Yes... 9/11 affected not just those in the cities where incidents happened and not just the US but around the world..but reality is..when you are physically apart of that situation (meaning affected by losing a loved one) etc... your thought pattern is totally different. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 3:31:31 AM | It begins.
...this often-asked question demands an answer.
Paraphrase: People demand an answer to their having posed this question!
Christ said that we are to live by every word of God (Matthew 4:4). That includes the Old Testament and New Testament.
You know what I think people need? An extra chapter to the Bible that isn't really "extra," but gives the "words of God." The actual words that are attributed directly to God. Not the epistles, which are the apostles translating the words of God; not Psalms or Proverbs, which are praises sung to God and rote sayings to help the layperson remember God's message; but the actual words that God said. Then, you could also come up with another one for the words of men who were divinely inspired, too. The important point is to make the distinction between what God actually said, and how it was interpreted, even in the context of the Bible. I think that might clear up a lot of confusion.
These verses clearly tell us that God is bringing disasters upon us—like the hurricanes—to get us to change our evil ways. The Bible is filled with such prophecies. The Bible says we are more evil than the nations around us.
Honestly, it didn't seem all that clear to me. Looked to be more of a historical, "what was happening to Israel a the time" sort of thing. Admittedly, I'm no historian, so I couldn't say. I do read the Bible, though, and I can't for the life of me find a single reference to the United States of America getting the Boot of God for being "evil." Which scripture is that in, again?
Since God obviously has the power to stop the hurricanes, why didn’t He do so?
How, exactly, is this obvious?
America (and the world) is only one deadly hurricane away (not to mention a terrorist attack or a war in the Middle East) from an energy crisis.
Sorry, but this is not the first point in history when this has been the case. I don't really get what you're saying here.
When will hurricane-type suffering stop?
When humans realise that building cities on coasts that get hit with hurricanes is just begging to get nailed.
The entirety of Msg 3
Okay, we've got: an annual celebration, a predictable natural phenomenon, a culture clash between two extremes of human expression, and paranoid manipulation of numbers. Hence, God did it. Okay, sure, why not? But, then, we also have to consider all the innocents, those true of faith, and others who either were not "sodomites (this was repeated at least three times in the post. Makes me wonder what your position is...)" or had nothing to do with the celebration, and why they were either killed or had their lives turned upside down. Or, was there a Lot here, too? And if so, how soon before he goes on Jerry Springer to explain why it's not his fault his daughters are carrying his children?
Perhaps there is a bad will not for you to understand this, I am not too sure why.
This is a religious forum this post is moe for those that have rad the Bible and care to dicuss this futher, not really meant to come and bring a Wonka into it.
I take it you had no idea, none whatsoever, that some folks who disagreed with you (and some, perhaps who read the Bible and interpret it differently) would take issue with interpreting a natural phenomenon to be the will of God visited on sinners. Okay, I'll let it go (at least on that point), but you know you're going to get plenty (yes, including me) who dissent. One thing's for certain: I'm really happy for Wonka that he's becoming a meme.
I refuse to beleive in a God that is basically saying "I am giving you the free will to beleive in me, love me and worship me.....but if you don't.... I will cast my vengence upon you". And the theory that God will take innocent lives around the world and cause distruction of man, of life, etc all because we ARE partaking of the free will that HE gave us...but are not "following him"....is a sick, twisted, over zealous religious way of thinking.
I don't think I agree with the vehemence here, or the necessity that God is validated or invalidated by his actions, but the apparent dichotomy in the minds of those who interpret the world like that evades me. Apparently, to some, God works wonders and miracles for those who believe and visits his vengeance on those who go against his teachings and laws, but by the way, you've got free will. In my understanding, Jesus Christ died on the Cross to save humanity, to wash all of mankind of the taint of sin, such that we could use our free will to either worship God or not, as well as to make a world where God didn't have to intercede and step on cities or people that were pissing Him off. In the end is where the judgement's supposed to come, right?
... reminds me of him saying 9/11 was caused by feminists....
You're kidding, right? Falwell actually said that?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Nahum 3:3-6
Nahum 1:1 "The burden of Nineveh. The book of the vision of Nahum the Elkoshite."
Hmm... A vision of a historical event. Ahh, context...
New Orleans, Louisiana, was a city of extreme evil any time of the year.
Because we say so.
The city of New Orleans also had the highest murder rate per capita of any city in the United States, and that murder rate was ten times higher than any other city.
This is true. Since the District of Columbia doesn't fall under any of the States...
...but only one-half of the parents were married. The Bible calls that arrangement fornication, and it is a serious sin!
Yes, children, that's right. If you love someone, if you live with them, if you have children, if you consider yourselves a family, it's a sin. It's a sin, unless you get a document that says the church says God says it's alright. Remember that, or you're going to hell.
There was also a major oil spill on the Mississippi River. Eleven delta villages were completely gone and nowhere to be found.
Because the outlying villages were evil as well, and all the fish and birds had to pay for their sins. Seriously, man. Nature does some powerful stuff.
One of the biggest controversies about Hurricane Katrina is the great delay of response to the catastrophe. Meteorologists warned the government well in advance that devastation was imminent but to no avail
"It's the Titanic, it doesn't need that many lifeboats."
"Hey, I've got multiple hits on radar off the coast, here in Pearl Harbor." "Yeah, don't worry about it."
Wow, people do some idiotic stuff. Hell, there are places in Florida and California that flood yearly. The people dig out their living rooms, and go back to life as usual. It would be nice if more people listened to reason based on observable, scientific facts.
When the storm hit, Canada immediately offered to send in Hercules aircraft under their D.A.R.T. emergency response program to bring in massive amounts of food, water, medical supplies and other essentials, which they said would be in the hands of the victims within twenty-four hours. But President Bush, who was vacationing in Texas, turned the Canadians down flat.
Maybe he didn't want to interfere with "God's Judgement."
The filth has been there for some many years now. The sinful city.
I think you left out the important part. You know, the sniff from the upturned nose, the sneer, and of course, the essential and paramount, "damned heathens." Come on, get with the program. Your indoctrinators are not patient people.
The Christians that live there, now how many did walk away unhurt by it Praising Jesus for their saftey?
And how many of those non-Christians did we see getting to the business of cleaning up and rebuilding their lives, out of the camera's eye? Hmm, where's the microphone now?
And why would this Bush procrastinate on doing anything?
Since I'm vocal and opinionated, I'll respond. Like Sweet said, "politics" maybe?
I can tell you those who did God's will left well before.
Because leaving was God's will, and those who stayed were evil, because they stayed, and that wasn't God's will, so they should have left, like those who did God's will, because God's will was leaving the evil place before it got smashed (in accordance with God's will), since it had so many evil people in it who wouldn't do God's will, like leave, like all the good people who left, because they were doing Gods will, since....
...not even the prophets knew what they were saying.
And this is something to emulate? And on which to build a moral foundation? Kahalak...
So, to sum up (Page 1), a hurricane hit the Gulf of Mexico and tore the bajeebus out of New Orleans. Apparently, this is God's doing, but the fault of those who lived there. Free will means nothing, prophecy from folks who didn't have a clue and religious bigotry win the day. More to come. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 3:50:58 AM | Apparently, to some, God works wonders and miracles for those who believe and visits his vengeance on those who go against his teachings and laws, but by the way, you've got free will. In my understanding, Jesus Christ died on the Cross to save humanity, to wash all of mankind of the taint of sin, such that we could use our free will to either worship God or not, as well as to make a world where God didn't have to intercede and step on cities or people that were pissing Him off. In the end is where the judgement's supposed to come, right?
I think it just depends on how you interpret the Bible... Ive said many times each person interprets it a different way..and beleivers vs non beleivers is well... a largely different interpretation. Beleivers view the Bible as Love, compassion, salvation and life...where as Non beleivers view it as nothing more than vengence, violence, hate and a "just a book". It's just how it goes...and I think that's one assessment we can all agree upon LOL | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 3:56:58 AM | I think some non-believers are smarter than that. Some understand, appreciate, and respect the differences btwn various religions.
Conversely, I don't think that all "believers" view others religions/beliefs as "vengence, violence, hate." I know I don't. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 4:02:51 AM | I think some non-believers are smarter than that
First... obviously not every beleiver or non believer will think that way..I *think* on a whole though my assessment would be accurate.
Some understand, appreciate, and respect the differences btwn various religions.
I beleive as I stated *most of it anyways* on how I think non believers do. And that's coming from someone who was a born again christian for 10 or more years. While I don't like the christian faith, nor do I follow it anymore, I will also be the FIRST person to sit here and say if it works for YOU..awesome..more power to you. I respect any/all religions. I'm a firm beleiver in what may work for one..may not work for another.
So yes you can have your opinion on a religion (even a negative one) and still respect it's following... I do..
Conversely, I don't think that all "believers" view others religions/beliefs as "vengence, violence, hate."
I agree....
I know I don't
Glad to hear... | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 4:11:32 AM | I think the suggestion that christians are somehow more accepting of others' religions is not only wildly inaccurate, but it fosters the kind of contempt for christians that really needent be there, and the only reason it is is because of the air of superiority put on by many christians.
And no, god is not cursing the US. That is utter ridiculousness, and just another ploy to manipulate. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 4:14:20 AM |
I think the suggestion that christians are somehow more accepting of others' religions is not only wildly inaccurate, but it fosters the kind of contempt for christians that really needent be there, and the only reason it is is because of the air of superiority put on by many christians.
And no, god is not cursing the US. That is utter ridiculousness, and just another ploy to manipulate.
Im going to assume the first part of this was directed towards me and the last part wasn't?
I think christians.... should be more accecpting of people as humans. I mean God preaches love, acceptance, etc... so yeah..there will always be a viewpoint that christians should be more understanding and loving..sorry that's how it goes. You can't preach total and utter love for yourself, your god and your neighbor and not expect to be held up to those standards.
As for "god cursing the US"... I don't beleive he is either..hence I don't think the last part was meant for me. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 4:19:53 AM | I think christians.... should be more accecpting of people as humans. I mean God preaches love, acceptance, etc... so yeah..there will always be a viewpoint that christians should be more understanding and loving..sorry that's how it goes. This isn't what I said. I agree wholeheartedly that they should be accepting of people as humans. "More?" I don't know. More than who? Others who are good people as well but have a different religion?
What I said was that christians are not "more accepting of others' religions..." and this is a perfect example. The whole "Christians are somehow superior (which is what the "more" indicates to me.) Why isn't it enough that "christians should be accepting of people." Why does it always have to be "we're MORE accepting?" This sort of stuff is what turns others off and away, in my opinion.
Edit: nothing personal here; my posts are directed at all. :) | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 4:24:48 AM |
This isn't what I said. I agree wholeheartedly that they should be accepting of people as humans. "More?" I don't know. More than who? Others who are good people as well but have a different religion?
What I said was that christians are not "more accepting of others' religions..." and this is a perfect example. The whole "Christians are somehow superior (which is what the "more" indicates to me.) Why isn't it enough that "christians should be accepting of people." Why does it always have to be "we're MORE accepting?" This sort of stuff is what turns others off and away, in my opinion.
If I had MY way as ruler of the world *snickers* everyone would be accepting and tolerant of everyone on every damn level.. unfortunately it's just not the case, and never will be. As for the "more" I'm not saying necessarily they SHOULD be...what I am saying is they will be looked upon like they should be. If that makes any sense LOL Is it fair? Im not saying it is...but it's just a reality. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 4:28:27 AM | | I agree. I think that extremists bring it on themselves, so I'm not particularly concerned with the fairness part. But I agree. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 5:16:36 AM |
This site is just scoffers
And..
Everyone would be satisfied that these so-called Christians had been killed and judged because they were "intolerant" bigots. Then all hell would break loose, because without the salt of the Christians preserving the society, society would become anarchy and murder would reign. It would be hard for anyone to find God then, because all the fury of Satan himself would be loosed upon the world, without the prayers of the Christians to restrain him.
Satan would love to reign over such a bloodba
And lest we forget...
Edward VIII, I suspected you all along of not being true, now I see that is confirmed.
Damn..a WEE bit judgemental are we? Again it's "christians" like you that give christianity a bad name. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 5:46:37 AM | Gorilla,
When you make the kind of statements you make, how can you expect anything other then that kind of response.
And I will be very honest with you. IF you are right, I really don't want to spend eternity with people like you and Jerry Fall-well.
To even imagine that God would wipe out a city because of the possible sodomites (to use the word from the original post) that might come there.....
Again I asked earlier, what about Florida? and all the Huricanes that have hit there. Are the Seniors playing too much bingo? Or is that because they couldn't figure out how to count their ballets and poor GWB almost didn't get elected? | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 5:49:28 AM |
And I will be very honest with you. IF you are right, I really don't want to spend eternity with people like you and Jerry Fall-well.And I will be very honest with you. IF you are right, I really don't want to spend eternity with people like you and Jerry Fall-well.
I second that motion....I'd rather spend an eternity in hell.. kinda sad isn't it? | |
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| Is God cursing the US?
Posted: 11/1/2005 6:01:49 AM | | ... although my heart goes out to the citizens that have endured the recent disasters that have hit the U.S ,are people so narrowminded to think this is a possibilty ? Is God cursing the U.S?... wake up people ... If God Almighty , Allah , Yahweh ,Jehovah is going to make His name known do you think that He is going to single out 'one' country on this planet ... i for one believe the day is coming when every person will know His displeasure for the cess pool this planet has become . This is where borders and nationalistic pride overlook the true issues here . What most don't want to open their eyes too is this worlds problems are humanly impossible to cure . No system of government has brought world peace . Why is that ? Human greed . The need to dominate the weak. Power corrupts and i don't see much changing that . If you owned an appartment building and your tenants were destroying it ,would you tear down the building ? No you would evict those damaging what is yours . Get ready for the eviction . And don't worry it won't be just the western hemi-sphere when He decides to get rid of the 'bad' tenants. I'm pretty sure it'll happen on a level (?) category storm that this planet has never seen before and will never see again. I for one welcome this day whether or not i make it . That will be up to Him. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 6:26:50 AM |
I don't think you're very smart, even as a child I was never dumb enough to not care if I went to hell. That's YOUR choice, not God's. Get on your knees and pray to God. You would not be in hell for one hour before you beg for a drop of water to cool your tongue. Not my words, everything I say is in the Bible
Can ya stop with the judgements again? Seriously... Just because someone wouldnt want to spend eternity with the likes of you....doesn't make them foolish...infact I think it makes them smart LOL | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 6:28:56 AM | | who said anything about hell ? ... "the meek shall inherit the earth and forever reside upon it" or did that scripture allude 'your' fixation on hell ? | |
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Posted: 11/1/2005 6:39:40 AM | | Saul of Tarsus (who later became the apostle Paul) thought he was doing the works of the Lord gorilla grod maybe you should examine you own ego-tistical 'faith' . But i'm sure someone as 'holy' as yourself actually thinks he has already has his foot in God's Kingdom when in fact its up your self-righteous rear-end . | |
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