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| Is God cursing the US?
Posted: 11/8/2005 11:43:51 PM | Feral takes on page 2!!
Reflecting pools originated with witchcraft and the occult...
Actually, it's a lot older than that.
...This is witchcraft of the first magnitude.
Technically, it's make-believe, the root of a lot of magical action. Cool that they incorporate it, though.
As the month of October approaches, we are entering a time of unprecedented witchcraft activity...
Yup. Wonderful time for us. Wonderful days indeed.
This October is a prime time for terrorist attacks and other Illuminati-staged events, and only Almighty God can stop them.
Okay, I could have gone one of two ways with this one. I was tempted to say something like, "Yeah, it's a perfect time for fundamentalists to incite something or point out any natural or manmade disaster to implicate their natural prey." But I won't  . Instead, I'll just mention how paranoid and unfounded these speculations are. Any time, particularly if the victims aren't expecting anything, is a good time for terrorists. They happen to be opportunistic like that. As far as the "conspiracy of the followers of the great Satan" is concerned, I hope folks are taking their meds, that's all.
I also know it is a time when God may well send more disaster upon a nation that refuses to repent.
Maybe I should have gone with my first impulse...
It also said that the ultimate thrill is to be making fornicating love at the very time the world is ending.
Source? "It?" The Voice, perhaps?
Halloween is a day of witchcraft, and as Christians we must totally disconnect from it.
Actually, Halloween is a *astardised holiday, coopted and syncretised into the Christian faith for the purpose of overpowering and absorbing other cultures. I'd think this would be cause for celebration. Yes, light the balefires and summon the departed to our revels!
Japan is no doubt on the eve of its destruction and they know it!
Because of all the witches there? Or to punish the US? Not following here.
I must also mention that many hundreds of earthquakes have struck the area of the Mariana Islands recently with magnitudes of up to 5.8.
You mean the ones next to the Marianas Trench, that huge fault line at the bottom of the ocean, are experiencing geological/tectonic stresses? Wow, that is strange.
Thank God for His son Christ Jesus
No argument here.
University of Alaska Fairbanks
Study: Arctic undergoing holistic climate-change response
Good article. I would have liked to see more technical evidences and conclusions, but, you know. At any rate, this is relevant, how?
Because of the inherent insanity of having a 3 time omni winner run the universe, I reject this description of God.
I disagree, Edward. God's got it all in His pocket, sure, but "His ways are higher than ours" and "He acts in mysterious ways." What all this means, is we can say we don't know, but God does, and we can take any natural occurence or human-related issue to pretty much focus our prejudices on any one group we like. Hence the thread.
I think the earth is getting revenge for all the nuclear testing!!! If not; all this change in the weather might happen every 5000 years or so, naturally!!
A little from column A, a little from column B...
3. How many times have we been told that we are not to take the Old Testament literally that some of it is just object lessons.
Good point, SFL, but the right to pick and choose which portions are literal and figurative, and at what time they apply as such, well, I guess that's up to the person quoting...
Well the Brownie story...
Really? Groovy. I never knew that. Mostly because they wouldn't let me join. Sexist Brownies...
Is it JUST me or is this thread more Political....than Religious? I dunno...everything is based upon Politics and now even the responses are solely on politics... could just be me..could be this crisp cold canadian air that is freezing my brain....
No, it's the crisp cold Canadian air that's sharpening your wits. Let's not delude ourselves here. Christianity has always been a political religion. That's how this works and why we get threads like this.
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SFL, always with your finger on the pulse. Beautifully wrapped up, I must say.
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Wow, RD. Good call. On all of it.
Or Las Vegas...don't forget Vegas...
Well, if anything happened to Vegas, that'd just be more grist for Dei's mill, wouldn't it?
This God gives the Aztec Gods a run for your money.
I gotta disagree again, Edward. The Aztec gods were up-front about it. Good point on the fear-mongering, though.
Dei Gratia, you are a man of Yahweh and you must expect that if you cast pearls before swine that they will turn and rend you.
Of course, Awakeman, there are those who believe they're not swine, and won't gorge themselves when folks throw out tripe...
Happy to private message with you if you wish, sir!
Thanks for the site, man. BTW, you've got something on your nose...
Out of curiosity, I checked this site out... I don't think anyone on this forum needs more reasons to dislike what the Bible says or how it can be interpreted. Hence the "Why do you hate God" thread.
I tried to check out the site, got as far down the page as the ADL and how the US government is almost all dual-citizenship Israelis. Too many bells and whistles, not enough content, and I had a tough time navigating. Anything more comprehensive? As far as what the Bible says and how it can be interpreted, they are two distinct things and should be treated as such. I don't see why people let the demagogues ruin legitimate divinity for them. It just doesn't make sense to me.
God, if she even exists, is an equal opportunity destroyer.
If that's the case, I'm in favor of discrimination against short, white, longhaired, blonde Pagan guys.
GOD loves the USA,
and if fact prayer probably turned Katrina from it's origional path... and you can be sure many lived and didn't die, because of Jesus's intervention,
Can't say as I'd believe that, either. Mostly just an evidence thing. For my part, it looks like there was a natural disaster, and some people were stupid about it. Without an agenda, what more do you need?
Why would God punish America? We're the only Christian nation that he has left..and if we're not good enough...then his standards are way to high for anyone.
Okay, two points here.
#1. The US is NOT a Christian country. It's a country with Christians in it. First amendment and all that. Basically, no establishment of state religion, hence, not a Christian country. I only have a problem with this because it's the kind of misrepresentation that gets the rest of us killed by religious extremists for your ideals.
Part B. The standards thing. God (Jehovah, Yahweh, whatever) may or may not have sent a hurricane to take out a large number of people for one reason or another, but He's not claiming it, so I'm not attributing it to Him. The important thing to focus on here is not that His standards are higher than others' (who else's standards are Christians supposed to go by?). The standards are just that: standard. You go by them or you don't. "Excess" or "extreme" behaviour outside the setup doesn't get you any further into or out of hell. At least that's the party line. The point is to get right with Jesus, and some of us do, some of us don't, and some of us just think we do and then post Bible-beating (violence?), holier-than-thou, elitist crap just to show how righteous they are, in the process demonstrating that, while they may think they're right with their god, Jesus Himself may see it differently.
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| Is God cursing the US?
Posted: 11/10/2005 8:16:00 AM | Round three!! Ding! Ding!
we can be grateful that GWB is in charge, otherwise God woulda really let us (americans) have it!!
How, exactly does that work, Sum1? Is this a suggestion that Bush somehow (if only by the fact of his being president) intervened? I don't get it.
Some say 9-11 was a wakeup call, and it is obvious it was.
It certainly was, Grod! Very much so, regarding international politics, at any rate. If you're saying in a religious sense, I'm afraid we'll be stuck disagreeing, as I view that to be more of an interpretive opinion.
People try to mock me on this site, for my beliefs, but God is on my side.
I'm with you, too, Grod, whether or not you're willing to accept the support of someone who doesn't agree with you about the
works of Satan, the fornication, the drug use, the pornography, the other religions in this country, the occultism, the promotion of homosexuality,... [and] sulphur fire...
People that don't believe the same things that you do are going to hell. That's what you're saying?
Technically, yams, that's what the Bible says. And it says it's right.
Was it not at the time of this storm being developed, Gaza strip was being vacated?
Just as the Hurricane was being developed over the gulf there was Military in the Gaza strip vacating people from their homes by force.
And at the exact instant that Kaiser Franz Ferdinand was killed, not only was it raining in the Amazon basin, but someone, somewhere, was picking their nose and using the lavatory at the same time!!! Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
Okay, ignore that. But, come on, Dei. Look at your own post here. This is like saying I'm justified in going out and kicking the dog because the cat peed in my bed.
Now does this make a bit more sense?
Not in the slightest.
I appreciate you input on how Amsterdamn compares with LA. But I think the Big picture makes things a bit more relavant. God is in the midst of making himself know these are all the warnings for ppl.
So, what we're getting at here, is that the folks in, say, Benares, or oh, Bangkok now have the opportunity to repent because something bad happened to Louisianna? God loves them so much He's going to warn them by calling in the markers on a bunch of other folks? Across the globe? I don't know, seems pretty slim to me...
Here is the reason for morals folks,has nothing to do with a big daddy figure up there with a belt ready to whack us when we fuk up.Morals are natural laws.They are there so we can operate efficiently physically,mentally and socially.When you break those laws and you suffer,it's not because God spanked you,it's because you did something that your body or your social construct wasn't designed to do,an act akin to running diesel fuel in a Volkswagon or using chocolate for brick mortar or eating M and M's instead of the antibiotics your doctor prescribed.
 It's a brotherly hug. Taurus, you rock, but it's a brotherly hug.
Personally, I think Mother Nature is indifferent to us.
I'd like to think so, too, Toon, but there's this "hockey-stick" diagram connected to global warming...
My dear loving Christian brother, you support faith in the greatest mass murderer in the entire history of the physical universe, all planets included.
Sorry, Edward, I disagree. If God created humans, it's His right to do the killing. The argument here is not whether or not He's got the right, or He's on anyone's side, but whether it's a Christian attitude to mourn for those poor lost sinners or to gloat over being "proved right" by someone else's damnation.
..but reality is..when you are physically apart of that situation (meaning affected by losing a loved one) etc... your thought pattern is totally different.
Amen, Sister. Amen.
Ooh!! I get to tear me a new one, too! Not really, but I noticed a couple of things I'd like to elaborate upon.
You know what I think people need? An extra chapter to the Bible that isn't really "extra," but gives the "words of God." The actual words that are attributed directly to God.
One thing I missed here was the "love thy neighbor" thing. Thusly:
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Leviticus 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
And, here's the part I think is relevant: "for this is the law and the prophets."
So, yeah, you can say this is God's will. You can say He's punishing the wicked. Sure, fine. Groovy. But, for my part, when somebody else gets smacked down like that, when someone's home, family, life is washed away, destroyed, I'll tell you what my first reaction's gonna be: generosity. First thing from me is, dude that sucks, what can I do? It saddens me (and probably Baby Jesus, too) that some folks are so focused on hating the sin that they appear to forget to love the sinner.
Dei: Since God obviously has the power to stop the hurricanes, why didn’t He do so?
Feral: How, exactly, is this obvious?
Sure, I'll answer my own question. Because He's God, stupid!! Yeah. The important part is not "why didn't he stop it" but why send it?
... reminds me of him saying 9/11 was caused by feminists....
You're kidding, right? Falwell actually said that?!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I'm still laughing about this.
Because the outlying villages were evil as well, and all the fish and birds had to pay for their sins. Seriously, man. Nature does some powerful stuff.
I do have to apologise to all the good, God-fearing Christian fish and birds I might have offended with this part of the post. I'm sorry.
Beleivers view the Bible as Love, compassion, salvation and life...where as Non beleivers view it as nothing more than vengence, violence, hate and a "just a book".
Sweet, I love you, and I agree with you. However, this raises a question: Does this ^ mean that we think Dei is at least in part a "nonbeliever?" (The whole vengeance, violence...) 'Cause, I don't know about you, but I didn't see a whole lot of lover, compassion, salvation (well, maybe some, for those who agreed with him), and/or life in the OP.
Conversely, I don't think that all "believers" view others religions/beliefs as "vengence, violence, hate." I know I don't.
I'm with you, yams.
And no, god is not cursing the US. That is utter ridiculousness, and just another ploy to manipulate.
Ayup.
So yes you can have your opinion on a religion (even a negative one) and still respect it's following... I do..
You can't preach total and utter love for yourself, your god and your neighbor and not expect to be held up to those standards.
This site is just scoffers. The Bible says there will be scoffers.
No, Grod, this site is people. Some disagree, and some, like myself, disagree and are not afraid to be labelled "scoffer." I'm not scoffing, I'm disagreeing. As for your interpretation of the end times, reread what you've said about what the "evil people" would say regarding the disappearance of others (Christians? maybe), then reread Dei's post on New Orleans. I don't think you'll see it, and I'm sure I'll get flak for it, but they sure look similar to me. The whole interpreting events after the fact to bolster one's worldview kind of gig, you know?
Seems that liberals have been playing the "hitler card" recently, calling Bush--Hitler?
Yeah, it's kind of sad and pathetic, I agree. "We think he's wrong, so he's evil." Something like that. Yeah.
Oh, and for the record, I don't think Bush is that bad at all. Not great, maybe not particularly good, but a Nazi? Ridiculous.
And I will be very honest with you. IF you are right, I really don't want to spend eternity with people like you and Jerry Fall-well.And I will be very honest with you. IF you are right, I really don't want to spend eternity with people like you and Jerry Fall-well.
I second that motion....I'd rather spend an eternity in hell.. kinda sad isn't it?
Okay, ladies, I can see your point, but that's a little extreme. I prefer to look at it like balancing the lesser of two evils. Hell and Satan and eternal torment vs. hanging with Jesus and not having to listen to Fallwell (it's Heaven, right?).
Okay, so to recap: Apparently, we're living in the end times, since New Orleans got wiped out by a hurricane. And this isn't stretching at all, since, apparently, George W. Bush is the second coming, and we'll find a lot of empty parking spaces close to our destinations really soon, now. Oh, right, I almost forgot: And, since I prefer to look at this with a little humor, rather than cowering in fear of the righteous logic of others' interpretations of the Bible and current events (proven completely logical by the fact that "we're not Nazis, you're just bitter."), I've got a special little barbecue pit set aside for me when I die, or Jesus comes back, whichever happens first. Oh, and I've learned one other thing: I'm an @$$. | |
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| Is God cursing the US? - NO!
Posted: 11/10/2005 10:45:39 AM | To believe that God purposely struck the United States with natural disasters is a reversion to a belief in a vengeful God. It is a reversion to a belief that Zeus hurls lightning bolts and Chaos eats the sun.
That does not fit in the Christian faith.
Nor does it fit in with our current scientific knowledge.
It is erroneous to believe that all who are hit by "bad" weather are "sinners". This is a sad echo of the old belief that if you got sick, you must be "bad". Surely we can all see that this is illogical!
Also, if you believe that only "sinners" get struck by "bad" weather, you must also believe that only "good and holy" people get "good" weather. I'm sure you can think of many who don't "deserve" the weather they got.
No, I do not believe God purposely hit the US. We live on the planet Earth and the laws of physics are such that we periodically get various kinds of weather, "good" and "bad". If you live BELOW sea level in an area prone to hurricanes, you will eventually get hit. That's all there is to it. Simple mathematics.
Yes, I would agree that we humans can influence the weather. I do believe there is a scientific basis for theory of global warming. However, again, this is not proof of a vengeful god smiting the sinners! Instead, it is yet another example of living with the natural consequences of our actions. If we are struck by the climate changes predicted by global warming, we are simply reaping what we sow. It has nothing to do with a vengeful God. | |
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Posted: 11/10/2005 11:15:46 AM | Good post Miss Magic. Finally some1 with some who can add some logic to this debate. It is simple mathmatics, and our great species was derived from and grew from a mathmatic rhythm. Much like a plant spirals out of the ground as it grows.
Once agian, fabulous post..Magic, for once i wasn't annoyed when i read a post. | |
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Posted: 11/10/2005 2:35:50 PM | How the heck would we know what God is doing, under any circumstances? If anyone were to read the stuff that gets entered here, they would conclude that there are an infinite number of opinions on all of these threads. Indeed, there certainly are a large number of opinions.
Understand, that they are all just OPINIONS. We might as well be arguing about the natural history of Dragons! There might be an infinity of opinions, but who could tell us the "right" one? What proof could they offer?
This is the entire problem with a Thread of this kind. It calls for an answer in "Absolute" terms, and there are no absolutes at an "earth" level. We have workable truths perhaps, or approachable truths, but absolutes are unattainable! They are reserved for God!
Is God cursing us? MAYBE...
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Posted: 11/11/2005 7:13:05 AM | Thank you Miss Magic that is finally exactly what I was looking for , your right God did not do such but he is in control of the weather, But who really can change the weather? We the people can create the weather also. Now all with God's will yes we can. Now think about that.
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Posted: 11/11/2005 8:26:30 AM | How the heck would we know what God is doing, under any circumstances? If anyone were to read the stuff that gets entered here, they would conclude that there are an infinite number of opinions on all of these threads. Indeed, there certainly are a large number of opinions.
Understand, that they are all just OPINIONS. We might as well be arguing about the natural history of Dragons! There might be an infinity of opinions, but who could tell us the "right" one? What proof could they offer?
This is the entire problem with a Thread of this kind. It calls for an answer in "Absolute" terms, and there are no absolutes at an "earth" level. We have workable truths perhaps, or approachable truths, but absolutes are unattainable! They are reserved for God!
Is God cursing us? MAYBE...
Ed
Lack of belief In God will cause a person to be confused when studying any writings about him. It is because people of faith look with their hearts not with there eyes. You could say that that is not logical and I will agree. there is nothing logical about religion. But out of religion there is spawned Love , understanding, hope, compassion, and believe it or not tolerance, (but not in all cases)Because we walk in faith not by sight we become more passionate towards our belief and any disagreements are perceived as a attack against our person and our God/Gods(for people of other faiths) And this is why we have a tendency to become defensive of our faith. You are correct when you say on this earth there is no absolutes there is but only one. And it is that death is certain and we are just trying to make sense of it and try and find our own immortality. | |
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Posted: 11/11/2005 1:15:47 PM | Lack of belief In God will cause a person to be confused when studying any writings about him.
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I've never been confused by anything I have read in the Bible,even though I'm definitely a non theist.Now some of the folks who claim belief in the Bible have thoroughly confused me. | |
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| Is God cursing the US?
Posted: 11/11/2005 6:58:13 PM | This is me playing catch-up (ketchup? only in the 3 grade school play, leave it alone!). And catching up I am!!
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This is where borders and nationalistic pride overlook the true issues here.
While I don't entirely agree with the rest of the post, Space, this is a really good point. Politics again, I tell ya.
I don't think you're very smart, even as a child I was never dumb enough to not care if I went to hell.
I don't think that's what Space was referring to, Grod. More of a "make it through the storm" kind of thing. At any rate, I would like to point out that most of the "knowledge" we had when we were little was mostly indoctrination from parents and teachers. It's the "age of accountability" where we start using our critical reasoning faculties and the choices we make from that point on that are important.
But i'm sure someone as 'holy' as yourself actually thinks he has already has his foot in God's Kingdom when in fact its up your self-righteous rear-end .
So, we return the favor... *sigh* Anyway, foot up rear end? Ouch...
People's pride cannot accept that these things are random chance natural things,so they attach behaviors to them in cause/effect terms.
Very good point, Taurus. It's amazing the sorts of things we'll anthropomorphise just to try and make sense out of a strange, frightening, impersonal world.
Come on, you all know, its just Mother Earth trying to scratch the fleas (us humans) off her back....
SFL, if we're fleas, wouldn't that mean it's Ymir doing the scratching? AAArrrggh!! Dead giant coming back to life!!! Man the life-spaceships!!
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
John 8:7
Okay, Jesus is probably going to wag His finger at me for this one, but it's also entirely possible He was asking someone to hand Him a rock...
Our personal happiness or misery,imho,is decided by each and every individual and his or her own choices in life.
Feral has read it and deemed it good. You go to heaven.
For those who think the misfortunes happening in the US are God's judgement,... There were many innocent children and I'm sure many righteous people who perished in hurricane Katrina and the attack on the WTC towers.Did this God change his standards of who he should spare and who he shouldn't?
On the inevitable serious note, I have to say, Taurus, that this is a very good point.
GG, what about societies in the world today that are vastly non-Christian? They're not killing themselves off. If they did, there would hardly be any missionary fields.
Come to think of it, there were several cultures that got along alright until the missionaries showed up. Not saying the Polynesians, Aztecs, Incas, Native Americans, and others never had their differences and their own little wars, but anarchy? No.
as an intelligent thinking person which i believe you are , surely you must feel that things are heading to a boil on a global scale ... just wondering what your viewpoints are on this matter ?
No, the question wasn't directed at me, so if someone doesn't like the fact that I answered it, they can ignore my answer. I'm going to flatter myself in thinking I'm an "intelligent thinking person," though, so stand back. As far as the question is concerned, I don't see things being "better" or "worse" than back in the day. Sure, we've got our political problems, and sex has made it into advertising, but we're not performing ritual human sacrifices on slaves to make the sun come up each morning. Nor are we (for the most part) slaughtering entire cultures to make an ideological point that's given the lie by the very actions we take to "uphold" it.
Take it as one will, it is a mere questaion I had asked, giving a fair bit of background info on the place in question.
Guess you got your answer, then.
Feral you pick little points out but what the larger picture paints is there was sin is God mad or is Nature a fluke by nature?
See, that's not even the question. The question was: "Is God cursing the US?" The answer, if you think about it, is a resounding "NO!!" Unless you go with the demagogues and the folks who so desperately want others to follow their line of thinking that they'll use anything to validate their point after the fact. Nature is not a fluke, by the way, it's natural. The simple facts behind it are that you could have logically predicted that eventually New Orleans would have gotten dusted by a hurricane. It happens all the time. Shoot, several times prior to Katrina, the city had been flooded so that the cemeteries had disgorged bodies all over the place. At the time, I'm sure there were folks thinking it was the end of the world, and the dead were being called to exit the ground. In retrospect, they'd probably gotten "used" to it, after a while. That's one reason most of the burials were above-ground in the first place. Baseline is, the city flooded on a regular basis, because it was founded in a stupid place. You get a powerful storm that hits just right, and it only makes sense that the place will go under. Then, sure, you toss in a bunch of stupid, drunk college kids going for Mardi Gras or whatever, and you've got your cultural conflict with the local churches that want the scheduled decadence to stop. So, afterwards, sure, you've almost got a leg to stand on, pointing out that: 1. the city got stomped (by the weather), 2. there were a bunch of people partying it up (since it's a regular celebration and all), and 3. they were purportedly "sinners" (what with they disagreed with the religious communities that thought it was a bad thing they were doing). Wow. I can see the logic behind asking the question, when you come from a viewpoint that insists that secular (i.e. non-Godly) festivals (especially, and I will concede the point, carnal ones) are inherently wrong, and that God has, in the past (according to the accepted history of that very worldview), used the weather to make His point by wet-willying everybody He's not happy with. Still doesn't make it true.
I don't see it being end times per se,but more of a turning point.
Oooh, Feral likey.
I believe someone is indeed saying "Death to the infidels, the sodomites, and the fornicators!", but it is the militant Muslims, not God.
I disagree. It's not just the fundamentalist Muslims, but a lot of fundamentalist thinkers in a lot of religions. It's just that the Muslims have got the stones to actually act on what they're preaching.
Why does GOD get the blaim all the time. The devil is called the prince of this earth. He was the one that made the great wind that killed Jobs kids and for that matter all the rest of the bad stuff that happend to him.
Okay, Funn, I'm not disagreeing with you. I believe I understand your logic, and I think the sentiment you're trying to get across is good, but I have to point this out. Twice now, someone has asked why God's getting the "blame" for Katrina, and I myself have repeatedly said it was Him "crushing" or "stepping on" or "f*cking up" New Orleans. One thing that I didn't acknowledge before, and that has been mentioned by some of those espousing the "America bad, America go boom" mentality, is that it's not necessarily God doing the damage. Like you pointed out, Funn, it's arguably the devil (if we insist on using the Christian mythology) that's actually laying the smack down. The point made elsewhere by some probably devout, possibly misguided Christians is that God for some reason "withdrew His protection" from those getting the shaft. I don't see it. I don't think there was a whole sack of divine intervention prior, and I don't see how one could even validate or test to see whether it was there in the first place to be removed. So, I guess it makes a really slick argument for those who already believe. The rest of us just might not see it that way, either.
...or maybe the weathers just different this year. global climates have changed continuously since earth started
From the mouths of babes...
if a person has any faith in the bible and its prophecies of an impending judgement day they are going to take heed ...
And that's the point. Maybe we should highlight that "if."
now i don't expect anyone to have faith in the bible in its entirety . But i do , and if that makes me seem weak and uneducated ...
I was trying not to comment further on this post, but this one's got to be addressed. Space, right on!! The only way to have faith in the Bible is to do so "in its entirety." The issue I, at least, as a non-Christian have with it is that I don't. I believe in some of the historical aspects, but I don't have the same faith that some do, and I won't claim to. I say, if you do, dice. There's nothing weak or uneducated about that, and I'll be one of the first to defend your faith if someone comes along to question it. My big issue, again is in the interpretation of that faith into action or ideology. You can take two people of equal faith in the same thing, and their interpretations, according to what they want to use the Bible (or any other system of belief - I'd say holy book, but we don't all have those) to accomplish can vary wildly. Like I say, you've got my support, brother.
God has promised to rid this earth of those who not worthy to be its occupants...
Once again, I'm supporting your faith, and I've got no issue with the words. It's when you get some guy on TV with bright lights and a voice-over hawking his $1100 message series telling folks who those "unworthies" are, according to his interpretations, that's when you've got a problem child on your hands.
Space,you have an intelligent faith.It doesn't fly in the face of logic,it doesn't impinge upon anyone else's free choice and it's non judgemental.
Exactly my point. Thanks, Taurus.
That and the fact that I just can't imagine a supreme being in an anthropomorphic form.It just...lacks imagination imo.
Man, Taurus, and you call yourself intelligent? You can't imagine God in human form? Have you ever heard of the only God, who came to earth to save us, His name is Jesus Christ? He is a man, incarnated in human form.
Man, someone please tell me Taurus didn't have to explain this to Grod...
...probably thinking you are a liberal elitist who is better than the poor ghetto people of faith.
Come on, Grod, tell me you don't really stereotype people like this. It blows the criticism right out of the water for intolerance.
Edward, while I usually agree with much of what you say, I have to address Msg 99. The first part of the post is the sort of thing that leads to proliferation of what the first part is villifying. I'd recommend against it. Beyond that, Feral likes questions.
1) God hates anyone who dares hold an opinion not sanctioned by Jews from 3,000 years ago, or Christians from 2,000 years ago. They will go to Hell and burn there forever when they die. Which begs the question why should they be allowed the pleasure of living at all?
The living thing is the point. The opportunity, as Taurus and Space mentioned earlier, to make the choices. I don't agree that the choices must be made in accordance with the opinions of the Hebrews of 3,000 years ago or the Christians of 2,000 years ago (or even those we have now), but the choices are to be made, made by us, and (if the Bible's right and the Christian God is the one doing the judging) evaluated by God. Important point here: Jehovah is supposed (at least from what I've read) to reveal the results of His tallies at the day of judgement, yes? So, I'd say whether or not He had a grudge against New Orleans, it's not for us (any of us) to say so.
Seems to me I'd much rather hear nothing from religions than be forced to hear this crap 24/7 which is what Heaven is going to be like. Think people! Think!
Again, I dissent (stop me, quick! It's getting habitual!). If only because, in my reading and studies, I don't see Heaven as being portrayed like that at all.
Wow. I'm done. Okay, let the attacks begin. I'm sure I deserve some this time. | |
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Posted: 11/11/2005 9:29:45 PM | Feral why do you waste your knowledge on this?
Great outlook from your side but the huge lack of knowledge that you have from the word of God is hurting you.
You know I have always found it funny that the one's without the knowledge of God go on ranting.
The simple fact here is God does nothing Bad period it is the people of the area that done this on themselves!
I forgive you for your lack of knowledge
Bless you friend.
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Posted: 11/12/2005 9:38:27 PM |
Great outlook from your side but the huge lack of knowledge that you have from the word of God is hurting you.
Not following. How am I "lacking in knowledge?" | |
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Posted: 11/15/2005 1:40:41 AM | We have to bring Christianity to the natives, like in Amazon or wherever, but at the same time we brought the white man's diseases that killed a lot of them. How do we reconcile the two?
I need to seek answers on this. Didn't Christopher Columbus's explorers bring some white man diseases to the West Indies that killed a lot of Indians?
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One of the lamest excuses in history for justifying the atrocities done to the Native American and the African peoples.It was used to justify stealing the native Americans' land and to justify slavery.There were folks at the time who actually believed that the black man was being saved through slavery. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2005 10:55:01 AM | One of the lamest excuses in history for justifying the atrocities done to the Native American and the African peoples.It was used to justify stealing the native Americans' land and to justify slavery.There were folks at the time who actually believed that the black man was being saved through slavery.
yeah And Druids used to sacrifice virgins to keep off evil spirits. but neither does that anymore digging up past evils by a particular groups to prove you point is not valid. people have advanced and civilized quite a bit since then Bringing up the events of people long since dead as a judgment of how people today will act is just plain wrong. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2005 10:55:56 AM | But America now with Bush has been given a chance to turn back to the founding fathers, and a Christianity-centered approach..
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Say it isn't so!I really didn't just read that did I?Someone actually believes this?If you had said,"with God"or "with Christ",I could've respected that, but GW???????? | |
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Posted: 11/15/2005 5:10:38 PM | | not the first time that statement has been made...Kind of scary huh? | |
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Posted: 11/15/2005 8:10:13 PM | Whether or not it is clear to you, believe me the following are actually demonstrably true:
1) Whatever is true for you, is true! If you consider yourself to be cursed by God, then by George, you are!
2) If you consider that you are personally responsible for your own life, and actually take responsibility for it, then no matter what happens, you'll be okay!
It isn't God that curses us, as much as it is ourselves. We operate by making postulates about the future and seeing them through to fruition. That is how things happen in this universe. Decisions are made about the future and then are achieved. As you consider yourself to be, you are.
God is not a factor in failure or misfortune, until you make him one. Does God make the weather? No. Did he make the universe in which weather occurs in accordance with meteorlogical laws? Maybe. Absolute answers are unobtainable here, but if you say he did, then , of course in YOUR universe he did!
...and so it goes.
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Posted: 11/16/2005 11:48:15 AM | | new orleans is my home, and i love it...very much. i have to ask dei this: why did god spare the french quarter (the source of all this evil) and kill mostly poor and mostly black men, women, and children. did he screw up, and miss his mark? | |
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Posted: 11/16/2005 12:09:34 PM | Only God could answer this for you not I.
I am sorry.
For the wrath of God is showed from heaven on all unpiety and wickedness of those men, that withhold the truth of God in unrightwiseness. [Forsooth the wrath of God is showed from heaven upon all unpiety and unrightwiseness of those men, that withhold, or hold aback, the truth of God in unrightwiseness.]
For that thing of God that is known, is showed to them [For that that is known of God is shown, or made open, to them], for God hath showed to them.
For the invisible things of him, that be understood, be beheld of the creature of the world, by those things that be made, yea, and the everlasting virtue of him and the Godhead, so that they may not be excused. [For the invisible things of him, of the creature of the world, by those things that be made, understood be beholden, and the everlasting virtue of him, and the Godhead, so that they be unexcusable.]
For when they had known God, they glorified him not as God, neither did thankings; but they vanished in their thoughts, and the unwise heart of them was darked [was darked, or made dark].
For they saying that themselves were wise [Soothly they saying themselves to be wise men], they were made fools.
And they changed the glory of uncorruptible God into the likeness of an image of a deadly man [into the likeness of an image of corruptible man], and of birds, and of four-footed beasts, and of serpents.
For which thing God betook them into the desires of their heart, into uncleanness, that they punish with wrongs their bodies in themselves
The which [men] changed the truth of God into lying, and praised and served a creature rather than the creator, that is blessed into worlds of worlds [that is blessed into worlds, or without end]. Amen.
Therefore God betook them into passions of shame [Therefore God betook them into passions of evil fame, or shame]. For the women of them changed the natural use into that use that is against kind.
Also the men [the males, or men,] forsook the natural use of woman, and burned in their desires together, and men into men wrought filthhood, and received into themselves the meed that behooved of their error [males into males working filthhood, and receiving in themselves the meed, or hire, that behooved of their error].
And as they proved that they had not God in knowing [And as they proved not to have God in knowing], God betook them into a reprovable wit, that they do those things that be not suitable;
that they be full-filled with all wickedness [full-filled with all wickedness], malice, fornication, covetousness, waywardness, full of envy, manslayings [manslaying], strife, guile, evil will,
privy backbiters, detractors, hateful to God, debaters, proud, and high over measure [hateful to God, wrongful despisers, proud, high over measure], finders of evil things, not obedient to father and mother,
unwise, unmannerly, without love [without affection, or love], without bond of peace, without mercy.
The which when they had known the rightwiseness of God, understood not, that they that do such things be worthy the death, not only they that do those things [not only they that do such things], but also they that consent to the doers.
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Posted: 11/19/2005 10:41:00 AM | When will hurricane-type suffering stop?
When we heed God’s warning. If we don’t heed, Bible prophecy clearly outlines what our end will be.
But even if we don’t repent, a new and wonderful world is about to be ushered in.
The problem is, most Christians today talk a lot about Christ, but they reject His message.
The Bible is also a book about Israel. We often talk about the lost tribes of Israel. Why were they lost? Because God punished them for their evil ways. Not only were they conquered, but they were removed from their own land! Then they lost their own identity and thought of themselves as Gentiles.
Today Israel is comprised of several nations. Bible prophecy tells us that the most powerful nations of Israel will be in captivity when Christ returns—again, because of their sins. And again, they will be removed from their own nations.
Jesus Christ will destroy the remaining world powers when He returns!
The truth is, most people are biblical illiterates—that includes Christians.
God’s Word contains over 100 prophecies warning us about Israel being destroyed in this end time. Let me give you one from an end-time book (Daniel 12:4, 9). “As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the Lord our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth. Therefore hath the Lord watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the Lord our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice” (Daniel 9:13-14). These verses clearly tell us that God is bringing disasters upon us—like the hurricanes—to get us to change our evil ways. The Bible is filled with such prophecies.
The Bible says we are more evil than the nations around us. God is not about to remain silent! Study the Bible and learn about your Creator.
God also tells us in these two verses that the law of Moses (the first five books of the Bible) also prophesy about these curses coming upon us in the end time. In those prophecies, God sets before us a choice: good or evil—blessings or curses. Then He tells us to choose life and blessings. God even lists the blessings and the curses that will come upon us—depending on our choice.
Those people who say God wouldn’t send those hurricanes to punish us need to be asked a question. Since God obviously has the power to stop the hurricanes, why didn’t He do so?
If we are a righteous people, God promises to protect us. He isn’t doing that. Why? Because we lead the world in evil—in every major pathology!
In these hurricanes, God extended mercy, giving us a chance to change our evil ways.
When will hurricane-type suffering stop?
When we heed God’s warning. If we don’t heed, Bible prophecy clearly outlines what our end will be.
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Posted: 11/19/2005 10:48:38 AM | Hey Dei, I wonder if God ever considered this simple proposition.
"You catch more flies with honey, then with vinegar."
Just a thought. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2005 10:50:27 AM | 2 Add think about 9 - 11
Now did you think good long and hard about it?
humm perhaps this research may tell you more about it.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html
Good thought Brian, thanks!
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Posted: 11/19/2005 10:58:12 AM | Dei...I am still waiting for you to reply...maybe you didn't get what I was saying.
Basically your argument boils down to an argument from authority. You suggest that God is, by the recent disasters, saying "be good or else".
Does that make any sense to you, honestly? I guarantee you that more people would turn to the church if people stopped with those type of non-sense arguments. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2005 11:47:20 AM | Oh Boy I do not like this so called church you speak of I do not like a or any one religion I am speaking of the Holy Bible The Holy Spirit and the Church within you not a building of religion you tend.
What I am doing is what God has purposed.
Thank God for Jesus and His wisdom of will.
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