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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 10:40:07 AM | *News at 11: Interview with god*
Right. I'm sorry but anyone who says "god made this to punish us" needs a reality check. Who here has a direct interview with God? Noone that I know. And if you do, why not post up a transcript? No not the bible, I mean your direct, english language communication between you and him say.... from last week.
Also aren't the southern states more traditionally religious then the northern? So if god was punishing the US, why would he do so on the states more likely to be "christian" then us northerners? | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 10:53:40 AM | | Does mocking him make you feel bigger? Does mocking those of who do believe make you feel like a better person? So you choose to not believe. Does this give you the right to make light of those of us who do? You have chosen your path it is your alone as I have chosen mine. I truly wish ours was the same. If you want him to reveal himself to you he will. But in his time and under his conditions. And when he does how will you react to your statements? Do you really believe that risking your soul is worth it?. Look inside your self and search the recesses of your heart and ask yourself, Are you 100% sure he does not exist? What is so wrong in believing in God? You mock us this tells me you do think it is wrong or maybe in you opinion foolish. You are young and have a whole life ahead of you. With age will come wisdom and tolerance. My prayer is you find your answers before it is too late. | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 11:30:20 AM | Dave: "Also aren't the southern states more traditionally religious then the northern? So if god was punishing the US, why would he do so on the states more likely to be "christian" then us northerners?"
How wrong thou art! Do a search and check your numbers twice. I travel a lot Dave.... see just as many churches up north as I do down south. PS: Santa has now put you on the "Bad" list. | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 11:35:45 AM | What is so wrong in believing in God?
Or the converse....
What is so wrong about NOT believing God?
Is it your opinion that one cannot live a morally sound and good life without believing in God?
What if I lived my live in accordance with the moral lessons of the bible, and I did so because I thought that they are a good set of morals, not because I believe in God. Or what if I followed Kant's teachings on deontological ethics, or Mill's teachings on Utilitarianism.
When you say things such as
Do you really believe that risking your soul is worth it?
You make a huge assumptions, first you assume all people believe that we have a soul. Second, you assume that by following your belief system our soul will be saved, which implicitly rejects other belief systems all together.
With age will come wisdom and tolerance. My prayer is you find your answers before it is too late.
That implies that someone who is young cannot have wisdom, or tolerance, it also seems to suggest that wisdom and tolerance can only be a result of adopting your religious system. By saying that you are going to pray for someone, implies that you are in a position to cast judgement on that person, which is a fairly large insult, because that implies they are leading their life in some terrible way.
Being an elitist has many cloaks...and your own passage seems to imply that you are wearing one of them. | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 11:53:33 AM |
What is so wrong about NOT believing God?
You will condemn you soul to hell if you are wrong.
Is it your opinion that one cannot live a morally sound and good life without believing in God?
Nope, but it does make it easier. I was questioning the morality of mocking others.
What if I lived my live in accordance with the moral lessons of the bible, and I did so because I thought that they are a good set of morals, not because I believe in God. Or what if I followed Kant's teachings on deontological ethics, or Mill's teachings on Utilitarianism.
Refer to question #1 our righteousness is of filthy rags. A good life means nothing.
You make a huge assumptions, first you assume all people believe that we have a soul. Second, you assume that by following your belief system our soul will be saved, which implicitly rejects other belief systems all together
You are absolutely right I do.
That implies that someone who is young cannot have wisdom, or tolerance, it also seems to suggest that wisdom and tolerance can only be a result of adopting your religious system
I never stated such nor implied such my statment was that as we grow older our beliefs and thoughts change. .
By saying that you are going to pray for someone, implies that you are in a position to cast judgement on that person, which is a fairly large insult, because that implies they are leading their life in some terrible way.
Very wrong! It means I care for them. Your implcations of my words are offensie and insulting and you only purpose for these is an attempt to dicredit someone who disagrees with you. Not unlike the mocking Lord dave gave earlier.
Being an elitist has many cloaks...and your own passage seems to imply that you are wearing one of them.
Another false assumption. Please do not take my words out of context to attept to prove your point of view simply ask first. Thank you | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 12:03:18 PM | | You didn't address my previous post...how can you reject all other belief systems and claim not to be an elitist? Even if you are only rejecting them for yourself...you still seem to think you know enough to dismiss all the others. | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 12:09:12 PM | | Yes I do and yes I did I admit when it come to God I guess I am one It is called Faith I believe in One GOD the creator of the universe and all living things and he is the only way to heaven be it Christianity ,Judaism ,Islam ,etc. I do not accept, Atheists,Wicca ,Buddhism, and some Hinduism. Anything that says there is more than one God or that there is not one. | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 12:19:54 PM | | GOD IS Love!! I don't think God Has penis or vagina God is God I do not lower him to describe him God is referred to the masculine for the purpose of honor. Not to degrade women but out of respect. Not a good idea to play word game with a theologian | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 12:22:41 PM |
God is refered to in the masculine for the purpose of honor?
Who are you honoring by referring to God as a masculine if you openly acknowledge that God is neither male nor female?
Not to degrade women but out of respect.
Respect for whom? | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 12:47:08 PM | | I worship the Father on High. The Almighty, Merciful God creator of all things for whom I am thankful for my very existence I have and are nothing without him. He is my Wonderful councillor, My Prince of peace. Whom I love with all my might and All my Soul He is my passion and I answer to no man I only answer to the Living God. This is my faith it has kept me strong in my darkest hours. This is my passion which I am PROUD to share with all who will listen. He gave the life of his only BEGOTTON son so that I might be with him when I die. What did your God do for you? I will never be worthy of his love but he gives it freely for this gift I will always Love, Honor and Respect as well as defend Him. This is my answer TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT IT I STAND BY IT. | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 12:50:01 PM | All I can say here is
1. God allowed it but the people did it.
As the book of Job.
Now Brian you migh be right, but I think of it all this way, what does it hurt to try? for I am not losing anything actually I am gaining but from Him.
But just another look at it.
Mascaline or female well how do you call that car you liked so much does it matter?
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 12:53:10 PM | Dei Gratia...
Did you ever ask me if I believe in God...did I ever say that I did not?
Assumptions are not the best way to engage in a debate.
Questions on the other hand are important, and avoiding them leads people to making assumptions, which is why when somebody asks a very straightforward and simple question it tends to be beneficial for the thread to answer them. | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 1:05:07 PM | What?
Asumming what I was actually referring directly to one of your posts
Does this mean
I was assuming that you didn't because of something you posted.
And
It was a question but did you answer? Or did you try to refute it is possible?
What question? What was I refuting.
Please try to be more clear in your posts, and I will answer. | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 1:19:50 PM | Little, I was actually mocking the idea that people think God was cursing/punishing the US. The belief in the existance of a God is the choice of each individual and I respect that choice, but to blame misfortune on some higher power seems foolish. After all, the storm simply exists as does you. If the storm made your life miserable then it sucks, but it doesn't mean you were evil or it's a punishment.
Also in reference to the southern comment: I'm not talking about # of churches, but traditionally the southern states have been more defensive on their beliefs. | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 1:38:42 PM | Ok,Brian, granted it is a what if but even so many people will say it is a moral code of ethics. But do they actually follow such? Look around...
I see it as more than what God has merely stated as Law, it is a self understanding and also a way to see one self as who you think you are and how God sees you as you are.
your
What if I lived my live in accordance with the moral lessons of the bible, This is where I assumed OK.
Ok now how many actually do try to better themselves from what is in God's Bible?
As one can see merely trying to abide by the Law of God has gotten this world no where, there is special organizations trying for Peace, has it actually happened?
All I am saying is merely applying the Laws is not a God seeking person. sure they will help you to an extent but help develop you as a person well that needs a bit more understanding of Scripture which actually is outlined by many other threads.
Now the question being asked is, if one does not believe in God what would it actually hurt to believe in God? Seek him and develop oneself to a better person?
I thought this was the question you were refuting but perhaps you did not see the question in your haste.
Hi Dave
well actually not a punishment but a warning a calling from God to become more aware of His will.
After all, the storm simply exists as does you. If the storm made your life miserable then it sucks, but it doesn't mean you were evil or it's a punishment.
The storm does not simply exist. God has control over all winds and seas, not the fisherman in the boat out a t sea, turbulent winds as Jesus sleeps. They call to Him to awake for they are in fear He wakes and calms the winds.
Also it is noted that God will create waves of water and make it filty. jsut cannot recall where exactly. Again he says this is because of the sins of the earth.
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 1:53:59 PM | Dei Gratia,
Please don't be offended when I say this, but I think you need to proof read your posts a bit before you post them. It is difficult to follow exactly what you are trying to illustrate from time to time.
My little rant about answering questions was not directed at you, it was directed at another poster.
if one does not believe in God what would it actually hurt to believe in God?
That is an example of a clear question, in your previous post you did not explain yourself as such. Perhaps you missed that typing in your own haste 
I suppose it would not hurt to believe in God if someone did not, but where we differ is likely on the following. You take believing in God to be an adoption of Christian relegion (I do not know what denomination you are, so I am being general), I on the other hand do not think that belief in God requires a priest, a book, a church, or any such thing. | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 2:00:58 PM | But if God controles everything, why is everything in a pattern? Why can a hurricane's existance be explained? God would have to manipulate the weather using the very laws of physics he created and if that's the case then we, as man, can counteract that.
Oh and I'd like to answer your other question
if one does not believe in God what would it actually hurt to believe in God
I've been told this often. The argument goes like this: If there is a god then by believing it, your saving yourself. If there isn't, you cease to exist so it doesn't matter. If you don't believe and your right, fine. If you don't believe and your wrong, your screwed. It's safer to believe."
I'm going to quote my favorite author Douglas Adams on this one...
"If it turns out that I've been wrong all along, and there is in fact a god, and if it further turned out that this kind of legalistic, cross-your-fingers-behind-your-back, Clintonian hair-splitting impressed him, then I think I would choose not to worship him anyway." | |
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 2:26:54 PM | True the whole premise on basing it on anything of this world would not be suggested at all. I agree with you on this Brian. But as to the last one....How would you come to know God and then decifer the diferences between a deciever and the Alpha and Omega?
Ah, see the understanding of God allows on how to be better than not trying to understand Him.
For you reap what you sow. I think it is a heck of alot better to try and believe for the the other means just seems like to much work and self destructive nature poping out as we can see all around the world today.
Trying to study Revelations and the Bible will assist one in the current world conditions and their connection to future events, Ah, this is where the Bible actually interprets itself for today.
Only because many people do not interpret the Bible correctly brings harm. It is the acceptance of the Bibles intended meaning that will help everyone.
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| Is God cursing the US? Oh yeah He is but you let it happen
Posted: 12/16/2005 2:36:38 PM |
But if God controles everything, why is everything in a pattern? Why can a hurricane's existance be explained? God would have to manipulate the weather using the very laws of physics he created and if that's the case then we, as man, can counteract that.
If God is truly the creator of the universe, he could surely modify the weather and it could seem to be natural but certainly not harmless..He promised Israel the following :-
(Lev 26:3 KJV) If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
Of course we can use watering techniques and fertilizer to offset any God caused effects...But a prolonged drought is pretty hard to cope with.. | |
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