| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/30/2005 9:17:43 PM | Thanks for the kind thoughts littletwin2000 but please realize that all thoughts are prayers, unless you have to contact your higher power with a personal announcement.
I personally feel you should concentrate your prayers on your brethren that are currently being prosecuted for their sinful and disgusting deeds, they need a lot of money to pay off the legal fees and law suits or give up some of the land they have stolen in various countries around the world to promote their business.
Aesop, a Greek writer also had some wonderful stories with excellent morals and if a few wars and such would have went the other way, who knows what book would profess to be the holder of salvation and enlightenment. I suggest you read some historical books that will shed light on the blood-stain glass that you so sheepishly follow and realize the truth behind it, accept that no man is closer to God then any other and grasp onto the faith of a child, seek knowledge verus promoting dogmatic ideals.
To each his own but let it be his own, not anothers. Maybe learn from experience rather then from others words and lead yourself and accept that God resides in every man, woman and childs heart. Peace always be with you. | |
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j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/30/2005 9:24:47 PM | Littletwin2000,
I pity you i really do I spent long hours praying for you this past week and i will continue to. Don't waste your time. If we decide to turn our beliefs, it will happen whether you pray or not, and if we don't believe, it will remain so if you pray or not.
I dont understand this outright hatred of what some claim not to beleive. The bible is littered with hatred, prejudice, incest, violence and contradictions. Why should we take comfort in a God of such despicable acts ?
But do not fret he is still there and still loves you all he ask is you beleive in him nothing else. That is not true. Someone like myself would have to re-vamp my life in order to follow what is asked. I take pride in my work and many other things I do. Pride is the reason Satan was cast out of heaven. Just believing is not all that is asked.
Why would you want to take a chance? Because if I’m right, I will of enjoyed my life. Also, since God is all knowing, my name was either put in the book of life or it wasn‘t....my fate has already been determined, and God already knows the outcome.
I have had my proof. I will be happy to share it with you anytime just drop me a line and ill tell you. How about you tell us step by step of how to see/hear/feel God....if it works, I will reconsider. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/30/2005 9:54:05 PM |
How about you tell us step by step of how to see/hear/feel God....if it works, I will reconsider
The day my mother was to go to the doctor to find out if her cancer was malignent or not i was going to my paternel Grandmothers to mow her yard. As i got up to get dressed I set my wallet on the ironning board beside my bed. When I started to leave the room I noticed it sitting on the board and said to myself I dont need it. And so I left it there. My maternal grandmother was going to drive me to my other grandmothers house to mow. As I was getting into her car I reached for my wallet in my pocket. She asked "what are you looking for?" I told her I left my wallet upstairs on my ironning board she asked if I wanted to go get it and I said I dont not need it. After arriving I began to mow the front yards and every few minutes I would reach for it.(I feel naked without it) but of course it was not there. After awhile I saw my father pull in to the drive and when I saw the look on his face I knew it was bad. So I shut the mower off and sat under a tree and cried and then I said "God please dont ask me to have anymore faith I have none left, I said I know you will not allow anymore on me than I can bare but I dont even beleive that anymore.I said I'm not asking for a miracle I just need something to let me know it will be ok. Then I cried somemore and got up to finish the yard as I made a few passes i heard someone say to me "Look in your pocket" And it was there all I had lost I had regained I knew he was there and would never forsake me. That is just one of several My maternal grandmother was healed from goiter that was choking her with out medication or surgery she was prayed for on a sunday night and when she woke up it was gone. I know J-roc you will not beleive what I have to say but it is true as to tell you how to feel ,hear ,and see God That is up to you. I hope my words have inspired someone. I beleive everything happens for a reason and maybe the reason that happend to me was that it may touch someones heart. either way i hope the best for you | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/30/2005 9:55:52 PM |
You know the truth yet you CHOOSE to deny him.
You're right about me knowing the truth. I know the Bible is not the Word of God and that Jesus is not my Savior. The Bible is a book of blood and myths. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/30/2005 10:08:48 PM | Just because someone doesnt believe in the same thing as you in regards to spiritual and religious matters, doesnt mean they do not believe in something. I have beliefs, I do not have a personal God and it is not mandatory for others to share my beliefs it is only important that I believe. This is the philosophy of most who do not follow dogmatic principles, at least that is what I believe.
Some learn and accept from within while others accept from without. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/30/2005 10:14:08 PM |
: Just because someone doesnt believe in the same thing as you in regards to spiritual and religious matters, doesnt mean they do not believe in something. I have beliefs, I do not have a personal God and it is not mandatory for others to share my beliefs it is only important that I believe. This is the philosophy of most who do not follow dogmatic principles, at least that is what I believe.
Some learn and accept from within while others accept from without.
I have no problem with that nor am i being dogmatic or at least not intentionaly I simply do not see how one would choose to be a athiest | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/30/2005 10:37:51 PM |
not being sarcastic but why do you post in thr religious fourms if you do not beleive? just being curious. thanks
Anyone can post in the forums regardless if they are religious or not. And they don't have to agree with what you beleive either.
I have no problem with that nor am i being dogmatic or at least not intentionaly I simply do not see how one would choose to be a athiest
Very easily...and just as you sit and say "I don't know how one could choose to be an athiest" I'm sure the athiests are thinking "I don't know how one could choose to beleive". It goes both ways. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/30/2005 10:51:10 PM | | J-roc and Countibil, perhaps God put up with Lot for the reason of perserving Abrahams bloodline. And while the daughters slept with their father for this reason, again, this was not God's idea but theirs. God had also told Abraham and Sarah that they would have a son and they jumped the gun and used her handmaiden to try and accomplish this. Same logic involved. Trying tot fulfill God's purpose by a human mindset. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 1:12:54 AM | Feral
And, to what information/reasoning do you attribute this apparent (astounding) leap of logic?
Jesus not only preached love and communism, he participated in the dual struggle against the Roman imperialists and their Jewish compradors. For this he was crucified, along with countless other “bandits,” the “communists” and “terrorists” of their day.
http://www.csulb.edu/~eruyle/ecumen/with%20marx%20&%20jesus.htm
I assumed the fact that Jesus was a communist was common knowledge. Here is one link. It has references but I never checked them | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 8:30:45 AM | | Lot wasn't of Abraham's bloodline. He was Lot's uncle. Besides, Abraham's bloodline was well represented through his kids, Isaac, Ishmael, and Keturah. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 8:32:31 AM |
not being sarcastic but why do you post in thr religious fourms if you do not beleive?
To provide a balanced opinion against belief. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 10:39:24 AM |
To provide a balanced opinion against belief. Does that not make your points suspect? With a bias as such when you comment on events recorded Within the Bible. Your opinions will appear tainted. Not making them any less true by any means. But as you know anyone can twist its words to suit their own purpose. And one who has clearly stated he is against belief in the bible and God will certianly have his comments viewed as suspect. However do not misunderstand i do admire your sticking to your guns. It is a rare quality these days. But as you can see I am not likely to change my position either. Good luck to you. You will need it | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 11:16:21 AM | Count
I read over your posts yersterday and there is so many places that you are not clear on that you made mistakes in judgments.
The thing you need to understand is that we are all sinners and God is totally Holy and Righteous and Perfect. Sin is a horrible thing that is against God and God hates sin. If you or anyone would understand how God sees us we would be very troubled by it. Sin has made us very low since those two sinned and screwed up in the garden (I still don't know how that could have happened) but anyways they messed up and because of that we all have the sin gene in us and so do the animals and nature itself is all grouning and wanting to be realeased. As we know our human bodies too are groaning and it is all because of those two mess up at the garden. Now I will not go on holding a grudge against Adam and Eve for what they did although sometimes frankly I get upset about it. The fact is God in His Glorious and Perfect Holy nature cannot tolerate sin. God is Love but He is also Holy and Holiness and sin CANNOT go together. It would be a contradiction.
There were many people who have committed errors in the Old and New Testaments, but Paul said that these serve as lessons for us how we ought to be and how we ought not to be.
Moses had some anger issues, Abraham at one time laughed so hard that he fell to the ground laughing when God said to him that he would have another child (if i remember correctly, and pardon me if I am wrong) also Johnah was the back sliding Prophet who after went into Ninevah and when he preached at that swicked and sinful city ALL the people there were converted, which has never ever happened in history by the way. Also Elijah was alittle nieve and though that he was the only righteous one and that others were not or soemthing of that sort. Who can forget the incident involving Isaac, Rebecca, Jacob and Esau how they had there scandal and deceits as we know where jacob tricked Esau and all the stuff that followed.So understand that there were many people that didn't act perfectly, in fact only Christ was perfect because He was LITERALLY God in flesh and human form.
There is so much to explain and clear up on what you said Count.
I agree soem Chistians are not fully qualified (self included) to explain in detail and full clarity to you about your statments and errors, but there are many that could and those are the ones you should get advice and councel from and they can clear it up with clarity.
Also ask the Holy Spirit to Minister to you and He will guide you and help you understand the Word of God more.
God Bless you ok and best of luck to you. | |
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jimyg
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Joined: 1/6/2005
Msg: 41 | |
| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 2:37:50 PM | give me a break,
Are you trying to tell me that you surrendered your life to Jesus, and received his Holy Spirit, and saw miracles, and major healings, spoke in tongues, saw the future, know someone's past and future, prophesied, had faith to see your vision come to pass, can discern an evil spirit from your spirit, and the holy Spirit, and on top of all of that heard the voice of Jesus, and now you don't believe.
NOW, who are you trying to fool,
Not me, Isn't it obvious that you never knew Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jimmy | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 2:46:33 PM | Hey Personalized...
I just want to say that I'm a born-again Christian and I know what it's like to feel like you are going through hell, or having just an almost unbearable time with life (Christians go through things just as hard as the next person.) But if you ever want to talk, please feel free to email me. I would really like to talk to you about it out of the forums.
(sorry, some things are best kept 1 on 1 than with everyone else)
If not, that's cool too. But take care and hope to hear from ya!
God bless!  | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 3:01:29 PM | I'm no longer a CHristian...I follow Islam more than any other religion.
I don't expect anyone to judge me for my religious beliefs, and I won't judge anyone...but trust me, my belief in Islam was well researched before leaving the Christian church. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 4:14:31 PM | If you were truly a Christian in the first place-you are still saved. Yes, believe it or not..there will be some who are dragged into Heaven kicking and screraming. You just maybe one of those. But, if you never believed-then no wonder God never answered your prayers. God does not interfere in a non-believers life. He's only involved in his childrens' lives.
Yes Christians can be bad, if not worse than non-believers-we'er all fallen and broken and also, all us Christians are hypocrits.
All those bad things that happened to you may have been Satan attacking you! Re-think your position and just blindly trust Christ. Don't expect a change over night-because, it don't happen that way. God tells us not to look for a "Feeling" He tells use to "KNOW",..and you can start with John 3:16. READ JOHN 3:16!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 7:27:53 PM | give me a break,
Are you trying to tell me that you surrendered your life to Jesus, and received his Holy Spirit, and saw miracles, and major healings, spoke in tongues, saw the future, know someone's past and future, prophesied, had faith to see your vision come to pass, can discern an evil spirit from your spirit, and the holy Spirit, and on top of all of that heard the voice of Jesus, and now you don't believe.
NOW, who are you trying to fool,
Not me, Isn't it obvious that you never knew Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jimmy
I think he is not being honest with us Jimmy | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 7:40:07 PM |
Lot wasn't of Abraham's bloodline. He was Lot's uncle.
was his fathers brother. kinda makes him blood kin does it not?
Yup, blood kin. But not Abraham's blood line. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 7:42:20 PM |
With a bias as such when you comment on events recorded Within the Bible. Your opinions will appear tainted. Not making them any less true by any means.
Sure, and believers will appear biased in their own ways. I think it would be dishonest for me to pretend that I'm not biased. But people can look at what I say and what the believers say and see which of us, if any, they think is right. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 7:49:35 PM | give me a break,
Are you trying to tell me that you surrendered your life to Jesus, and received his Holy Spirit, and saw miracles, and major healings, spoke in tongues, saw the future, know someone's past and future, prophesied, had faith to see your vision come to pass, can discern an evil spirit from your spirit, and the holy Spirit, and on top of all of that heard the voice of Jesus, and now you don't believe.
NOW, who are you trying to fool,
Not me, Isn't it obvious that you never knew Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jimmy
I really, truly disagree with this ENTIRE statement....and you have NO right to judge another human being as to whether they are/aren't were/weren't ever saved. That EXACT attitude and judgement is why *I* as well as other NON Christians have a problem with chrisitians in general. I myself use to be a born again christian and am not now, and I will not for ONE moment let YOU sit here and tell me otherwise.
First who is to say he experienced all you stated? Who says he saw miracles? Who said he was healed of anything? Perhaps he never spoke in tongues? Not sure about the whole seeing the future thing sounds more psychic than christian...does that mean he didn't know Jesus? Certainly not. The only thing he even stated was that he prayed and nothing came of it.... so you are totally drawing conclusions out your ass here when you know NOTHING of his situation...BACK OFF. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 7:54:41 PM | If you were truly a Christian in the first place-you are still saved. Yes, believe it or not..there will be some who are dragged into Heaven kicking and screraming. You just maybe one of those.
Ya know... I've heard this before..that once you are saved you always are even if you turn your back on christ..so what if you deny him.. does it still work the same way? Just curious.
And little
I think he is not being honest with us Jimmy
Again... this "christian attitude" or shall I say "religious attitude" is something that pisses me off to NO end....you have NO right to judge him....Here's my judgement on you... if YOu were truly a christian..you wouldnt' be so rude and judgemental towards another human being, and IF this person has an issue with christianity...and you care to find out why..you'd approach it with love and uunderstanding, not judgement and rude comments like you've displayed. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 8:25:01 PM | to the Original Post:
I myself am a secular humanist, and am quite happy with it. But not having faith in one church does not mean that you should abandon what you once knew. Simply incorporate it with your new veiw. Honestly, there are a lot of hypocrites in the world, and it only becomes blindingly apparent when religion, politics and relationships are involved. The Bible, Jesus and other religionous material has a lot of good things to teach. Listen and learn, even if you dont believe it as the literal truth anymore. There are more important things in this world than worrying about God, and I'm certain that she isn't going to be sending us all to hell for not praying right. Good luck to you, and I hope your outlook on the world improves. | |
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