jimyg
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Joined: 1/6/2005
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 10/31/2005 8:27:34 PM | I only understand things one way,do it all the way or don't waste your time, you will fail,
When I took martial arts: Kung Fu, Kempo, Judo, Jujitsu, Boxing, Onehopekuendo, Kajekembo, etc... I took maybe 30 styles in over 20 years 5 hours a day, naturally, I was going to be the best.
Before I was savedI fought a street gang maybe 15 people, I'm here where are they.
I usually fought people over 6' up to 7' some well over 200 pounds.
IF your going to Know Jesus then know Him.
IF scripture says be baptised in the Holy Spirit then do it.
God doesn't change, and He doensn't repent of his gifts and callings to the church.
I sorry you don't know the difference between a charlatan , a psychic and a prophet.
I have had my share of fake Christians, but that can't stop me from finding the truth which is a person the Holy Spirit!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have a blessed day,
Jimmy | |
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jimyg
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Joined: 1/6/2005
Msg: 52 | |
| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/1/2005 10:10:22 AM | If you were saved or not isn't relevant, what is relevant is knowing your saved now:
Mark 16:16-17
16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.1
So you must be baptised (submerged), into Jesus, The Holy Spirit, Water, and Fire.
So after you surrender your life to Jesus, you ask Him (Jesus who is God), to baptise you in His Holy Spirit (The Spirit is God), you will then feel a spirit attempting to enter your body, you must let Him in, and then you can speak in tongues, have faith, see miracles etc... and know your saved.
Then you need to find real Christians that have faith, becaese if you hang out with fake ones with no faith then you will become like them.
Oh yes, then you must be fully sumerged, and ask Jesus to baptise you in fire.
Remember:
God does not change
He is the same yesterday, today, and forever
The God of Jacob is the same.
Have a nice day,
Jimmy | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/2/2005 2:08:39 PM | Once saved always saved..even denying Christ, after you are a christian-you will still remain saved. Now, when you stand before the Lord one day-as we all will, individually. we will all have to give an account to what we did or said or not said, in light of what we knew. Sometimes, Christians can get so bad-they God will bring them home early..........
Also too, if someone claims they are having a bad life..when they were/are a christian...MAYBE, God was/is chastising you! MAYBE, God's trying to get your attetion! God only Chastises his children(christians). God is patient with his children-but only up to a point-then he starts, spanking. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/2/2005 2:21:28 PM | From page 1 of the thread:
Christ was a communist. From what I understand of christianity all who call themselves christians should also be communists. Almost NONE are. I agree the majority of christians are fake.
This is exactly what I was thinking the other day. It always annoys me that the Christian right is for some reason lumped in the same political parties as the fiscal conservative, of which I am one. I wish they would jump ship to the left, where they belong, then maybe in Canada the right could finally win an election.
Count - great posts. I agree that the story if Abraham is a great example showing that the god in the old testiment is evil. I belive the old testiment is this way because it's based on Babylonian thought. Babylonians worshiped slave driver gods. Basically if you did not work hard on your land you were toast. It's an interesting contrast to egyption culture, which had a much more benevolent view of gods and the world in general. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/2/2005 2:23:57 PM |
Once saved always saved..even denying Christ, after you are a christian-you will still remain saved. Now, when you stand before the Lord one day-as we all will, individually. we will all have to give an account to what we did or said or not said, in light of what we knew.
Honestly I've heard this before...so...since I was once an extremely devout born again christian and am not now.. you are saying regardless of what I do I will still go to heaven? That's really interesting.. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/2/2005 3:52:23 PM | Yes sweetTreat, that's exactly right.......If you were truly born again. There are degees of reward and levels in Heaven. The Bible says, "some will enter in, by the skin of their teeth and will have nothing to show for themselves-yet, they still will be saved.
If we don't meet here-see you up in Heaven! Take care | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/2/2005 3:58:30 PM | SweetTreet--Yep and that seems to be the kind of thinking that allows some of them to justify being complete jerks in life... After all it does not matter what I do because I am saved and I am right and the rest of the world is wrong... Unfortunate for them it is not that simple and there are consequences for actions and each of us will be held accountable regardless of whether we think we are "saved" or not or what path we follow.
Cat | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/2/2005 4:00:23 PM |
If we don't meet here-see you up in Heaven! Take care
Now see...YOU are the type of person I wouldnt mind spending eternity with! Rock on! And btw....read your profile...one of the most honest profiles I've read in a long time..goodluck in your searches my friend! | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/2/2005 4:04:20 PM |
After all it does not matter what I do because I am saved and I am right and the rest of the world is wrong
I think with the above poster gr ... he doesn't mean it exactly like that... because I have heard a scripture in regards to it.. I think he means that if you are saved and basically "fall away from christ" that you once acknowledged him as God, etc...and hence you will enter the kingdom of heaven kind of deal. Where as I think you are saying it as in "hey Im a christian Im saved I know it but Im a jerk" right? LOL So it's different..BUT I agree..that latter attitude bites the BIG one.. and I hate it because THAT is hypocritical.
Unfortunate for them it is not that simple and there are consequences for actions and each of us will be held accountable regardless of whether we think we are "saved" or not or what path we follow
And I agree...I can't imagine following any or no religion at all but thinking we wont have consequences in the end..because there just has to be of some sort! | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/2/2005 4:07:47 PM | | in my former post i was not meaning anything offensive i just find it to be a little un beleiveable that he could have done all these things and now renouce them. My question is how can someone have experinced something so wonderful and now compleately turned his back on it. with that knowdlege i was simply wondering if he was playing the devils advoate so to speak | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/2/2005 4:18:05 PM | | Speaking in tongues is hardly impressive. I had a friend who could do that. I asked him to show me. I figured he'd start spontaneously speaking German or something. Istead I got a lot of "bada giba sada ledi radesa." I asked him what language it was and he told me it was God's language. I asked him what it meant and he said he didn't know because he wasn't given the gift of understanding tongues. My baloney detector just about exploded; and I was still a Christian! | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/2/2005 5:06:17 PM | SweetTreat I did not say that this applied to this particular poster but there are many who justified "jerkism" because they are Christians could apply... LOL Some folks think that believing in Christianity makes them better than other people and therefore gives them an excuse to be a$$holes. Those are commonly the ones who troll, flame and hijack topics... You’d think their faith might inspire them to better behaviour…
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/2/2005 5:10:46 PM |
SweetTreat I did not say that this applied to this particular poster but there are many who justified "jerkism" because they are Christians could apply... LOL Some folks think that believing in Christianity makes them better than other people and therefore gives them an excuse to be a$$holes. Those are commonly the ones who troll, flame and hijack topics... You’d think their faith might inspire them to better behaviour…
Ok..mistook you sorry! But I agree with what you said above.... | |
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Posted: 11/2/2005 10:19:53 PM | ^^ To the OP (original poster of the thread)
So lemme get this straight...What youre saying is you followed Christianity and prayed for 14 years and because your life didnt turn out to be as peachy as you had hoped all of the sudden God doesnt exist?Christianity is about life.Its about standing tall in the face of adversity,having faith even when things dont go your way,standing up for other people,loving others nomatter what,and loving God.I find your comment kind of ironic..."Christians are worse than non Christians when it comes to judging"Wasnt that statement a wee bit judgemental of you?Suprise!Im a Christian and im not here to judge you at all.Im going to guess from your statement you are probably in your 20s and doing alot of soul searching.Thats ok.What I will tell you is you cant blame,God,or any religious group for that matter if your life isnt as great as you expect it to be.Miracles and good things happen everyday when we have our eyes open to them.If you expect to be unhappy and find judgemental people...then regardless of your religious preferences..negativity will bite you in the a$$ wherever you go.EDIT* I checked your profile and it doesnt line up at all with this thread.You sound so positive ,kind,and caring:and I dont doubt that you are.We all get frustrated and off track at times.Sometimes our prayers arent answered in quite the ways we expect them to be,but that doesnt mean they arent answered.I like to look at the things Ive been through(trials ect in life)as things that will give me the strength and know-how to help someone else going through the same things....All I can say is Ive been through hell at times but my faith keeps me strong:) | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 2:17:38 AM | Its ok to be against religion, but don't make the mistake of turning that into being against being Christian. God is a very understanding entity, way be on our earthy understanding. And religions are just mans attempt to relate through rituals and rules. Let your heart try to see past what a church might tell you and remember God was here way before any religion was. So don't give up on God. Just the rules of any particular church if you must. He created everything and might even be scratching his head at what he see some churches doing in his name.
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 2:35:05 AM | I don't get it.. if the OP stated "I used to be wiccan, however I followed it for 14 years and nothing came of it..and I find there is too much hypocrisy in it...so I left". I can gaurantee you the responses would be as follows:
1. Thats great...
2. Well wicca is an evil pratice
3. It's stupid and dumb to follow
4. God is only showing you it's falsities.
Yet because it wasn't wicca he stated, yet christianity..the guy is being dogged, called "foolish" for turning away from "God", being accused of "never truly knowing God", etc... what gives? Wicca is a religious practice and so is christianity. Perhaps christianity wasn't the religion that works for him... | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 3:18:04 AM | I was a Catholic for over 20 years and then I woke up and started thinking. Now I am against religion and I think that it is harmful to society and a big waste of time.
Unfortunately, those who believe refuse to think about it because they're afraid of accepting their ignorance. I think a large part of it has to do with the sense of self preservation in the sense that most people do not want to die but death is inevitable so if we cling on to notions of eternal life then the self preservation urges are satisfied.
But after this post, some Christian will no doubt tell me I'm wrong and that God exists and possibly even that Jesus exists and that they love me and that my life will be complete if I just love them back.
The thing they don't realize is that I 'know' God and Jesus just as good as any Christian, I just have the sensibility to realize that my imagination and desparation tend to answer prayers, not some supernatural god. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 3:23:29 AM |
Wicca is a religious practice and so is christianity. Perhaps christianity wasn't the religion that works for him...
Even though it's rarely admitted, everyone who believes something believes they are right and everyone who believes something else is wrong.
So, to Christians, Wicca is just some pagan filler that might possibly be the creation of the devil so "he" can lead people astray. The don't actually consider it a real religion. Heck, most Christians think Jews are Christians who just haven't accepted Jesus yet.
But you're totally right SweetTreat, this topic is totally biased and subjective. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 3:38:35 AM |
Even though it's rarely admitted, everyone who believes something believes they are right and everyone who believes something else is wrong
I agree...and you know what? If you are going to worship you should do it with your whole heart (regardless of what religion you practice) and of course going with that...you will beleive you that you are right (if not..worship is pointless)... but... the thing you should also practice, in my opinion is acceptance and tolerance of others. Meaning.. if someone else practices another religion than yours..be happy that they have found something that makes them happy, instead of looking at them like a "poor lost soul", and thus trying to "convert them to your side". | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 6:18:32 AM |
Heck, most Christians think Jews are Christians who just haven't accepted Jesus yet.
I don't know a Christian who thinks that. Our thing is this, if you haven't accepted Jesus Christ into your heart as Savior, you aren't a "Christian". It really isn't about being labeled. A title isn't going to get you to Heaven or close to God. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 10:07:18 AM | Hey man, don't kid yourself.. religon is fake. It's a source that people use to try and give themself something more to live for.. cuse it's not like there much else in this world to live for. My grandparents are over 70 years old and you'd think that by that stage in your life youd be able to go beyond just simple drinking for fun. But that matter of the fact is... is life don't get much better then that. Look around and ask yourself what people do in there lives.. there meaningless lives. Some goto waterparks.. Some Read a book, Some watch TV, Some paint a picture. Every friday night people put on these faces to go out to some place where they'll convers and they'll chat and meet and greet and drink. And guess what's gonna happen next friday, the same thing. That's it.. that's what people do in there lives. Does any of it sound like it's worth giving even a half-shit about?
So then there's religon. Most people know there's not much more then that to life.. so they look for something better. God apparently is the answer... me personally refuse to believe he is. I've got a bit of a rant from another post if you wish to read, it might spark your intrest.
I really truly donnot understand how people could beileve in God sooo much. Specially when they read it out of a bible that's well over 200 years old. Do you know how many greedy self rightous money grubbing priests have got there dirty little hands on that book. All to many. Back in the day, priests would make people, cuse they were stupid cuse of the priests, pay money to repent for the sins. Mother ****ers might as well been soliciters. The point is.. is that book got rewritten and changed sooo much.. and i bet there people making changes to it now even as i type. At first you might not believe that... but when i say changes i mean subtle things... like the color of someones hair or the setting in which some stories take place, or what a person said in that story simple things like that. People were denied any education in those times becuase they knew if they gave the people even a shread of intelligence there entire structure... known as Catholicism(i don't think christainity was around at this point,i could be wrong.) would come crashing down around them. Then there would be no such thing as a highclass and lower class. Just mutual respect, idealy anyway. Humans are ruthlas creatures so it'd be no surprise that there might not be a mutual respect.. but it's nice to think that things could have gone a different way.
Sadfully this is the way things went, even if i'm not bang on.. cuse i'm no historian here, it's still roughly how things happend. Isn't it nice to know that your beloved religon cuased so much greef and hatred and pain and death... and for what!? what came out of peoples suffuring...ABSOULUTY NOTHING! A few extra bucks in preists pockets. AHAhah, fuk i hate religon, it seperates us all.
ps. These are my thoughts... no1 elses | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 10:36:30 AM | Sweettreat, we have all turned aside, we have all fallen away from God, even if we once walked with Jesus. God says he is married to the backslider. I was, but I struggled and came back to God. You can too. Don't hold rebellion and wickedness in your heart. Humble yourself before the Lord, and in due time you will be lifted up, according to His Word. Praise Him! peace
Grod, first let me say this: I think it's great you are devout to your faith. I beleive no matter what faith a person chooses to follow or not follow, that they should do so wholeheartidly... otherwise there is no point to beleiving/worshipping. Having said that though..you come across to me as one of the types of people I speak of. While you may view what you do as nothing less or more than just "witnessing", to those that don't follow your religion it's pestering. Now, having said that I won't just say YOU either. There are some non-beleivers on this board that tend to shove their points of view of "God is a joke" down others throats as well...and just as I hate a "beleiver" shoving anything anywhere, so do I hate the non beleiver doing the same thing.... so I'm not just singling you out k?
Anyways.. I use to be a christian...it's not something that fits into my life right now. 10 years down the road? Who knows...I don't even know if I'll be alive in 10 years, no one is gauranteed tomorrow. For now I am at peace with where I am and happy...and THAT should be the main point. | |
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