| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 10:53:16 AM | | you need to pull the blinds from over your eyes grod. Your so subjective.. it hurts. Just stand back and take a second to look for YOURSELF. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 11:19:17 AM | | What it all comes down to is this (from a Christian point of view) no one is perfect, no one will ever BE perfect when you are on this earth, and we are all sinners. If someone told me right now they never sinned, I would think that was a load of junk. Simply not true. And grod is right, you have to humble yourself to the LORD. Can't make God who you want Him to be. People don't have power over other people and God. Why would we want to make God, the Kind of Kings, LORD of LORDS, Creator of the Heavens and the earth and everythings somethingnot right? | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 11:32:28 AM | 'Christianity' screwed me.
Christianity was not meant to be that way. I have what I consider God to be within me. God knows this... if I'm wrong then God is too.
Perfect is what perfect is, something humans were never meant to be. I don't believe it was part of the Creators Plan.
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 11:53:46 AM | Goodie serious...
Humans were never meant to be perfect, else why would God have written Satan into the equation? And before any nut shouts free will! Remember, that was also part of the Plan. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 12:32:31 PM | Grod unfortunately it is how some folks present the Christian side that is reprehensible. As for Kevin Trideau he is a con artist who would likely become a TV evangelist if he could pull it off. Natural cures exist but that boy is not a trained Naturopath or anything else... He is just some phony researcher who has been up on credit card fraud and involved in a host of other questionable activities... Hmmm I bet him and Pat Roberson could work out a good scam plan though and maybe even include Fallwell in it as well...
Arguing for your side which is right?? LMAO not bloody likely...
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/3/2005 12:47:32 PM | lol flyby... hope you're not flying me next time I'm up there, we might need more than the ability of freewill to save our jollies!  | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 1:39:33 AM | If I had a dollar for every time some Christian told me that I would eventually see God's light again and come back to Christianity I'd have a nice little nestegg. Fact is that it is highly unlikely I will ever wear that title again as long as I live.
Furthermore every time a Christian tells me that they are only concerned for my immortal soul and that I need to let God and Jesus into my heart, it just drives me further away. This is true for many if not the vast majority of non-Christians. Anybody who had the gall to question the majority within their culture in the first place is probably going to be repelled by this coddling and head patting. It might not feel that way to you, but it IS condecending to us.
If you want to convert people to Chrisitianity try being more open minded for a while. In most religious debates involving Chrisitans, the Christians tend to always go back to the Bible, even when it is in no way relevent to the current discussion. They always retreat to their perspective and don't seem to be able to work within someone else's perspective in order to discuss ideas. Now I will back up a bit and say this is not true of ALL Christians, but it IS true of such a high percentage that it ends up being viewed that way.
If the majority of Chrisitans would stop actively trying to convert and force others to believe as they do, I honestly think they would see more convertions in their favor and fewer people leaving. I realize the whole concept of saving the immortal souls of the people you know is very strong and you really want to succeed, but the fastest way to fail is to criticize people who believe differently, even if you think you were being really gentle about it. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 8:54:28 AM | | Do not blame christians for driving you away that is a cop out. You of your own free will and accord have chosen to condenm your soul in to hell and you cannot blame anyone for it but yourself. Do you plan on standing before your creator and say"well I quit beleiving in you because a christian showed me love and that ran me off" ? Do you see how stupid that sounds Hell is the path you have chosen and the path you shall recive. You cannot blame christianity nor christians for your own freewill. I say if he wants to burn then let him burn he knows better but choose's it. I frustrates me that you or anyone can turn your back on him. I have more respect form someone who was never shown or taught any different than from someone who simply chose to deny him because it suits your selfish wants. Truth Hurts huh? | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 9:15:36 AM | Do not blame christians for driving you away that is a cop out
How so? Step outside yourself for just one moment... and place yourself in the shoes of a non beleiver....If someone shoved something down your throat continually...would you be happy about it? Probably not.
You of your own free will
Yes..non beleivers do..so why the continual preaching than?
Do you plan on standing before your creator and say"well I quit beleiving in you because a christian showed me love and that ran me off"
1. Provided someone beleives in God
2. A message of love is a wonderful thing...how you deliver it thoiackage tho is extremely important..and constantly shoving it down ones throat won't generally be recieved well.
You cannot blame christianity nor christians for your own freewill
Nope...but christians...and others DO need to take self responsibility for their own actions. And christians continually say "you will have to stand infront of your maker and tell him why you made the choices you did", and to that I say...so will every christian. And you have accountability for the souls that you've driven away because of your holier than thou attitude...not I.
I frustrates me that you or anyone can turn your back on him. I have more respect form someone who was never shown or taught any different than from someone who simply chose to deny him because it suits your selfish wants.
Why jump to the conclusion it's "selfish wants?" If someone was a christian and said "Im turning my back on god because I want to sleep with whomever I want and dont want to answer for it" that would be a selfish want... but to say simply "I dont beleive" isn't selfish.
Truth Hurts huh?
Truth is so subjective......and the only thing that hurts..is the fact that you and others can't see the damage you do with your "soul saving mandate". | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 9:51:29 AM |
Do not blame christians for driving you away that is a cop out. You of your own free will and accord have chosen to condenm your soul in to hell and you cannot blame anyone for it but yourself. Do you plan on standing before your creator and say"well I quit beleiving in you because a christian showed me love and that ran me off" ? Do you see how stupid that sounds Hell is the path you have chosen and the path you shall recive. You cannot blame christianity nor christians for your own freewill. I say if he wants to burn then let him burn he knows better but choose's it. I frustrates me that you or anyone can turn your back on him. I have more respect form someone who was never shown or taught any different than from someone who simply chose to deny him because it suits your selfish wants. Truth Hurts huh?
Truth does hurt sometimes, good post.
I know a lot of Christians who have been to hell and back BECAUSE of another Christian, yet they still keep the faith in the LORD Jesus. Now THAT is a true Christian. Soemone like Job who goes through things to their limits, yet still praises God at the end of the day. The Hurricane victims from Katrina. Lost their families, homes, cars, EVERYTHING, but they said Thank you Jesus I'm still alive and worship right there! I hope the LORD blesses THEM tremendously. Because my faith would be pretty messed up. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 9:57:08 AM |
trying to convert and force
What the heck, Force. are you kidding me. christians forceing you to believe. christians Share good news of what they know is Truth. forceing you to believe would be sticking a gun to your head or a sword to your neck and asking you to denounce the name of Jesus or Die. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 10:08:31 AM | OMG littletwin! you self centerd person you!! that's exactly what he's talking about. Your so arrogant that you believe one thing, and refuse to even hear what someone else is saying.
Do you plan on standing before your creator and say
He's your creator! NOT MINE! I believe that humans were born from and ape decendent. God is a figurehead, or superstar!!!
You cannot blame christianity nor christians for your own freewill.
OMG, he's not saying that christians swayed his freewill, he's saying he really annoyed when christians say stupid things like this -
You of your own free will and accord have chosen to condenm your soul in to hell
WHAT BULLSHIT is that! that's your believes NO ONE ELSES! you might as well cussed him directly instead of indirectly.
All he's trying to say, is that people like you, are arrogant in a sence that your reluctant to see things differently. And when your kind.. yes people like you.. don't bother to even try, it's pisses him off! And i for one, think he's right. So get over yourself i look into someone else's eyes you self-rightous arrogant person you! | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 10:11:04 AM |
forceing you to believe would be sticking a gun to your head or a sword to your neck and asking you to denounce the name of Jesus or Die.
YA, maybe your right.. but i bet back in the day... when it wasn't exactly "illgeal" to do something like that, i'd put a good bet saying that people of religon would have done that. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 10:43:20 AM | | people of religion still do it today ,and in days past. christianity isnt a religion. it's a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. if people do something like that. i can safely say that they were not truly christian. only using the name Christian. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 12:06:41 PM | He's your creator! NOT MINE! I believe that humans were born from and ape decendent. God is a figurehead, or superstar!!!
Then why are there still apes here and how come, sure they are smart, but how come they are pretty dang different than humans?
Here is a pretty neat site to look at.
www.reasontobelieve.org
Lemme know what you all think!
and for all you people who are just as lazy as me LOL..
http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/index.shtml#design_in_the_universe
^^^ main page that's pretty interesting.
I think this guy gives scientific proof to back creation. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 12:10:15 PM |
Nope...but christians...and others DO need to take self responsibility for their own actions. And christians continually say "you will have to stand infront of your maker and tell him why you made the choices you did", and to that I say...so will every christian. And you have accountability for the souls that you've driven away because of your holier than thou
Sweet If you had read my other post you will see that this last post was not directed to anyone other than those who choose to turn their back on God after knowing better.
Simply choosing to not beleive him does not excuse anyone from eternal damnation. And not trying to reach them will leave their blood on your hands. My frustration lies in those who claim to have been a christian and turned away from God. When these people have benifited from all God has given them and then turn thier backs on him. It amazes me and for you to defend them that makes you as guilty as they are. You do that by enabling them to continue this blasphemy. And when people who maybe searching for God read your post and turn away from him how are you going to answer for that. Are you going to tell him "I dont have to listen to you because I dont beleive in you" You may not beleive but I do and my responsabilty is to spread the love of God to the unbeliever. And I dont need anyone telling me that my sharing of this love is false and I certianly dont need it from someone who has turned his back on him I dont chastize a nonbeliever, I chastize a former believer. And I will not be the one standing before my father in heaven being asked why I did not try. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 12:23:50 PM | Little....
Simply choosing to not beleive him does not excuse anyone from eternal damnation.
This is if you beleive in the Bible. Again..not everyone does..my whole point is...accept that fact and move on. By continually preaching at them...all you do is annoy.
My frustration lies in those who claim to have been a christian and turned away from God. When these people have benifited from all God has given them and then turn thier backs on him. It amazes me and for you to defend them that makes you as guilty as they are.
I've stated many times elsewhere I use to be a born again christian (10+years) and I am not now. So I'm not "defending anyone"...I feel no need to defend anyone. I use to be one of those you speak of tho. And my point is this: You don't know why I turned my back on the church (and personally it's not your business or anyone elses)
And when people who maybe searching for God read your post and turn away from him how are you going to answer for that.
I'm not responsible for anyone and the choices that they make. I, unlike some of you here who call yourselves christians, respect EVERYONES right to worship as THEY see fit. I will NEVER sit here and tell another human being they are WRONG in their choices. You, however will...to each his own.
You may not beleive but I do and my responsabilty is to spread the love of God to the unbeliever.
Thats fine...but you know..even when I was a born again christian and I beleived the same thing you do...I didn't shove it down anyones throats. Infact I found the best way to "witness" to someone that wasn't a non beleiver was through my lifestyle. That I lived it with love, compassion, understanding and not being judgemental. But what the hell do I know.
And I dont need anyone telling me that my sharing of this love is false
Just as pagans and muslims and every other religion doesn't need YOU or ANY christians telling them that sharing of their faith is false either. It's called RESPECT. Nothing more, nothing less.
I certianly dont need it from someone who has turned his back on him I dont chastize a nonbeliever, I chastize a former believer
Well I dunno what Bible you read...but you really shouldnt' be chastizing anyone...who are you to judge another?
And I will not be the one standing before my father in heaven being asked why I did not try.
Read your last sentence...key words in there..
1. *I*
2. *MY FATHER*
3. *I*
Again..beleive as you choose...and worship accordingly....but dont think you can cram your religion down someone elses throat and not expect a backlash from it. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 12:26:05 PM | | You Know this the point where I get upset. If I try to spread the love of Christ then im a bad guy, and if I try to warn others for their eternal soul then I am oppressive, And if I Try to stand up in defence of what I believe then I am a bad person. The fact of the matter is you think Religion is a waste of time and anyone who partakes in it is arrogrant, rude, obnoxious, and ignorant. And we are the ones you call narrow minded? Go Ahead. Choose your path to hell. It is your choice. No one can take you there but you. For your sake I hope Im wrong. For your sake I hope we just no longer exisit. But for my sake and my belief I will be in the loving arms of my creator. And I will Always defend my belief and my God. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 12:28:33 PM |
Just as pagans and muslims and every other religion doesn't need YOU or ANY christians telling them that sharing of their faith is false either. It's called RESPECT. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have never called anyone's religion false nor will I ever I only talk against athiesm. nothing more. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 12:30:19 PM |
You Know this the point where I get upset. If I try to spread the love of Christ then im a bad guy, and if I try to warn others for their eternal soul then I am oppressive, And if I Try to stand up in defence of what I believe then I am a bad person.
That's how it always will be unfortunitely, but God is blessing you right now for standing up for Him. You're doin good! | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 12:30:50 PM | Not sure if this message was directed at me..but hell I'll answer anyways!
You Know this the point where I get upset.
Why get upset?
If I try to spread the love of Christ then im a bad guy
I don't think I've heard one person say that...now the manner in which you choose...perhaps.
The fact of the matter is you think Religion is a waste of time and anyone who partakes in it is arrogrant, rude, obnoxious, and ignorant
Nope..opposite infact. I think that religion can be a beautiful thing. What I think however is that one religion may work for someone and not for another. I beleive in exploring, finding what suits you, what makes you happy. I also beleive in respecting someones right to worship.
And we are the ones you call narrow minded
Those that feel their religion is the only one and don't have the decency to respect what others beleive...are definately narrowminded.
Go Ahead. Choose your path to hell. It is your choice
I don't beleive in hell as you do... but if I am going at least I'm having fun on the way there...
And I will Always defend my belief and my God
Why do you feel the need to defend anyone? Least of all God. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/4/2005 12:33:22 PM |
Do not blame christians for driving you away that is a cop out. You of your own free will and accord have chosen to condenm your soul in to hell and you cannot blame anyone for it but yourself
Maybe you didn't outright call any religion false..but you are stating that if you are not a christian you have chosen to condemn your soul to hell... I'm not sure you could make it any clearer that "christianity is the only way". | |
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