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Posted: 11/5/2005 8:50:23 PM | ASB do they pay your emails any mind? I would just post your thoughts publicly and be done with it but then that is me so take it for what you think it is worth...
And yes I am stubborn and strong... as I see you are... Would we have gotten anywhere in our lives if we were not this way?
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Posted: 11/5/2005 8:54:48 PM | Isn't that the honest truth LOL. I would probably be dead by now and that I know for a fact lol.
They did email me back and acknowledge what I said and I was thankful because I read some of their posts now and they have lightened up. And I don't think I could post something that's that personal. That would make me out to be a bully and I'm not out to fight or shut anyone down. I'm friends with a very wide variety on this site and it doesn't have to do with race, religion, sex, image, etc... If you're a cool person to talk to, all the power to ya. Hard to find someone that down to earth. And I have a friend on here who isn't a Christian at all and I love him to death, and I saw something that a Christian said to him and I told him to back off because he was makin us all look bad. So I'd open my mouth to that. Definitely. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2005 9:16:23 PM | Fair enough...BTW most of the time I find your posts interesting even if I do not agree. I do challenge what I question and your posts have caused me to think and isn't that more useful than the barrage of posts that try to tell others how bad and wrong they are? Now if my challenging you seems like I am saying you are wrong that is not so. I am just trying to figure out where you are coming from and how I think about it. Some may see me as bashing Christians more accurately I am standing up against particular Christians (and others when the case arises) who seem to be crossing the line between discussion/debate and entering into proselytizing. Of course I am making a personal judgment call so I guess folks will have to deal with me just as I have to deal with them if I choose to post on POF.
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Posted: 11/5/2005 9:38:06 PM | You said you are trying to figure out where "you" (meaning me or Christians) are coming from and how you think about it...
So tell me, then. What can I do to make you figure it out? I'm not saying change your mind about your beliefs or anything like that. I'm saying help you understand where we are coming from? I've read your posts and they are really good, but yes, I'll be honest, I get very offended when I read them because not once have I ever bashed you or your opinion let alone anyone else on this site. And it bothers me that someone would take a personal jab at me. Most anyone would. And as long as I'm here, people will have to deal with me and seeing what I have to say if they believe it or not. Same as everyone else. But this chick isn't backing down. :D | |
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Posted: 11/5/2005 10:33:54 PM |
Then why are there still apes here and how come, sure they are smart, but how come they are pretty dang different than humans?
I donno if your really posing much of an arguement there? I though it was common knowledge to know that the ape is only 2% different from a human genome, and i acctully think the percentage was even lower then that. It's something like that anyway, so i donno what your talking about when you say apes are so different, does 2% seem all that different to you?
Secondly, the similaritys take place on a different level then you think.
They occure when an ape is faced with a problem. The ability to take 2 proplems, equations, ideas, solutions... what ever you wanna call'em and concatenate them together, this is the process of the human mind. It can put 2 and 2 together... well on a very basic level, so can apes. An ape sits down with a cocanut, and the ape needs to open the cocanut. 1. faced with the problem. 2. need a soultion to the problem 3. it decides in needs a tool 4. uses a rock to bash open the cocanut. Eventually that rock becomes a club, then the club becomes a hammer, etc..etc... Okay, so at it's simplist form it's easy to understand... but humans operate in the exact same way... if you think about it.. it's how one would come to a moral decision. You consider what the consequences are and make your decision based on your logic, or beliefes if you will. Your logic is the ability to choose right and wrong and so on and so on... but the point is; is that you use other questions you know the answer to; to help find answers to the questions you don't know the answer to. A basic math problem would be another good example, this idea makes it easy to understand why math is fundementally the ground of our "great" society. You figure math out in the same way you figure out any other problem, there's just numbers and variables in an formula or equation instead.
Asb, you seem like a nice person. It also seems like your grew up in a deep heavy saturated christian enviroment. So i'll give you the benefit of the doubt, i shall look through this site you've posted and give religon another chance, ahhh.. no that was a lie.. but i sure won't pass the oppurtunity to maybe learn more about it. But at least consider the fact that being so involved in your own belief's has gave you a small hint of tunnel vision. Like I mentioned in a previous post... just for a mintue.. stand back..breath, think, observe, but don't interact, don't participate.. don't partake, just watch.. and truly feel what it's like to gain your own opinion, and your own answers. It's easy to see what's going on around you if you just watch, and feel. Besides, isn't it boaring to believe that one person or book could have all the answers? | |
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Posted: 11/6/2005 1:59:08 AM | Umm, the definition of Intolerance has not changed from the one you quoted.
Tolerance is merely the willingness to tolerate. To tolerate is to coexist peacefully with.
Tolerance has nothing to do with hearing or seeing or reading or learning. It only has to do with not disrupting. To be tolerant of someone else's beliefs is to simply let them believe without grief or disruption.
What many Christians do is NOT tolerance. It is the opposite, or intolerance. They actively attempt to disrupt the faith of others in order to bring them to Christianity. They actively shovel their faith onto those who believe differently or don't believe at all. These are not tolerant acts.
Tolerance of Homosexuality does not mean you listen to them and then are fully allowed to condemn and disrupt their lifestyle. It means you let them live how they feel fit and you live how you feel fit without trying to change or punish them.
There are many Christians who do understand what tolerance means and they practice it. A good portion of the Christians on these forums are good examples of this, such as ASB and Flyguy. There are also many athiests and pagans who could stand to have a good bit more tolerance. Christians are not the only perpetrators, but they are the most frequent, which is why they catch flak for using the same tired old lines over and over again so quickly.
Also some Christians accuse people of Christianity bashing when all they are doing is asking for a change in approach. Multiple times in this thread alone I and others have stated that it is not the beliefs or goals that are the biggest problem, but the behavior. Every time we are responded to as if we were attacking the faith and our suggestions and advice were duly ignored.
If all Christians on this forum followed the examples of ASB, Flyguy, Evil Kyro, Jimmy, and even Jesus Christ, then this forum would be a happier place for all involved.
stating your belief is this.
"I believe Christ died on the cross for our sins and that if you believe in him you will inherit the kingdom of Heaven."
I and many others have no problem with this sort of declaration.
What we have a problem with is when it is presented like this.
"Christ died on the cross for our sins and you will burn in HELL if you do not let him into your heart and believe in his sacrifice."
This comes off as a demand and a threat rather than a declaration of belief. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2005 8:22:15 AM |
Asb, you seem like a nice person. It also seems like your grew up in a deep heavy saturated christian enviroment. So i'll give you the benefit of the doubt, i shall look through this site you've posted and give religon another chance, ahhh.. no that was a lie.. but i sure won't pass the oppurtunity to maybe learn more about it. But at least consider the fact that being so involved in your own belief's has gave you a small hint of tunnel vision. Like I mentioned in a previous post... just for a mintue.. stand back..breath, think, observe, but don't interact, don't participate.. don't partake, just watch.. and truly feel what it's like to gain your own opinion, and your own answers. It's easy to see what's going on around you if you just watch, and feel. Besides, isn't it boaring to believe that one person or book could have all the answers?
You yourself seem like a nice person yourself, and given that we haven't really talked, I think it's pretty fair to say we don't know each other. So how can you make the assumption that I DON'T stand back and watch? That everything in my life, my mind, my heart, my soul, my being, is just that: mine. If you knew me growing up, you would probably be really surprised I'm a Christian today. Sure, I grew up in the environment and got saved at a very young age, but it took me till my late teens to really see what was happening: I wasn't letting the Holy Spirit work in me or my life. All those years, and I still do it (old habits die hard) I watch, and study, and just learn people, or circumstances. So when I did finally let the Holy Spirit work in my life, THATS when I saw the difference. And all those lonely, suicidal, hate filled years didn't really matter anymore.
I don't care if you believe we came from monkeys. I personally don't, and that's fine. Who cares what you and I believe. But I was just asking you a question and I really didn't get a clear answer. All I got was with the difference in humans and monkeys is 2% or less. And then you went into my life how I should open my eyes and grow an opinion. And all I wanted to know (for the most part) why there were still monkeys around. HHMM. And I would believe that there could be more answers, but the same verse keeps popping up into my head...
John 14:6 & 7 Jesus answered, "I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him." | |
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Posted: 11/6/2005 9:49:00 AM | ASB the last line of you post is again only opinion based on something Jesus is supposed to have said. Only problem is the bible was written about 70 to 100 years after Jesus is supposed to have died. So there is less chance of that being accurate than the statement about the genetic make up of monkeys being accurate. Do I believe we came from monkeys nope but it is a theory just like the Biblical account of creation is theory nothing more nothing less... My point to you is that you need to know more about your tradition and what constitutes reputable resources if you expect to convince anyone that Christianity is more valid than any other belief system... And frankly even in trying to do that I am willing to bet you will not change any minds here as most of us have done our homework and have come to believing what we do based on that. That is why proselytizing is so frowned upon on these forums. It is a pointless argument especially when Christians cannot even agree amongst themselves which interpretation of the second and third hand accounts in the Bible are right.
If the bible works for you great but undeniable fact it isn't...
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Posted: 11/6/2005 12:41:45 PM | Oh I've done my homework. More than most of you realize. No, I'm not some genius scholar, and personally, I DON'T want to be. But I know what I'm reading. And one thing people tend to forget is 2 things... 1) Faith 2) When it comes to the Trinity and Bible, it's either all or none.
And I was growing up as a skeptic. Heck, I'd hear the word Jesus and cringe. And I told God to prove it to me, and He did. And I HAVE to believe all I read because when I DO read it (even some of the parts as wack as they sound), I get a peace from reading it.
Another thing that all of the non-believers feel is that I'm trying to convince you all. I don't care where you spend your life after this one. Really, I don't. Sounds selfish, but it's true. And I know God is probably frowning on me right now, but that isn't my deal. Why would I want to convince people who don't even have a little faith? It's like trying to walk through a brick wall. Forget that.
I think it's great that for the most part, a lot of you are always pointing the fingers at everyone else and turn your noses up at us. It's ridiculous. I read some of these posts and laugh lol. But remember this... You point the finger at someone, you have 3 more pointing back at yourself.
Heck you can't even show me anything on your faith, so what's the deal with that? | |
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Posted: 11/6/2005 12:59:08 PM | "When it comes to the Trinity and Bible, it's either all or none."
Sorry, but the logic police are back. Perhaps to you it's all or nothing, but there are centuries upon centuries of theological disagreement as how to interpret the bible. Popes, priests, philosophers, monks and ministers have been quibbling over the details since the bible was written.
"I think it's great that for the most part, a lot of you are always pointing the fingers at everyone else and turn your noses up at us."
Honestly I think the finger pointing is more of a reaction to this type of mentality-
"I don't care where you spend your life after this one."
It's this whole, "you are all going to hell because you don't buy into my interpretation of god," implication that upsets them. Of course, I don't care if you think everyone's going to hell or not. It doesn't make the slightest difference to me, but I get the impression that this attitude is largely where the finger pointing originates. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2005 1:26:05 PM | I know I am coming late to the discussion but my 2 cents worth...
I am betting that most of the members of this forum were raised within some variety of Christianity. "When I was a child, I spoke as a child but when I became a (wo)man, I put aside childish things". Life is an accumulation of knowledge and with increased knowledge are offered more path choices.
For many of us, that increased knowledge brought different choices than those our parents had actively or passively made for us. Alternately, some of us moved away after serious differences with the fundamental beliefs. However we moved away, to actively espouse another belief system is a serious step in this Christian-centric Society. It is not a step made lightly.
I have been lucky, I supopose. I have never had to deal with a really single-minded zealot on a continued one-on-one basis. Most of the christians with whom I deal have the true spiritual health to accept me without an exposition on my specific beliefs. In my job I have occasion to facilitate numerous Christian Service. I have even set out services and lead them. In my job, I facilitate all belief systems, regardless of my own beliefs.
During services in our Home, I have been blessed by any number of denominations. At one point it felt pecular until I accepted that this was their way of "giving". This is what they need to do. It costs me little to allow them their expression.
At the same time, I wear a Pent ring openly. I don't expound on my beliefs, nor do I shirk away from them. I am what I am.
Each of us looks for our "raision d'etre". We find what answers the questions and the need in us and that's where we find our comfort. True peace is such a nebulous thing.
I believe in freedom of religion but your freedom of expression ends where it seeks to curtail my freedom of expression.
Statments made out of hurt and anger tend to be extreme. My feeling is that the original statement reflects this pain. That doesn't make it any less real, quite the opposite. But time and perspective will mitigate the severity of the response and in the end, a spiritual avenue will emerge. It takes time. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2005 2:34:16 PM | "Why should I share the Gospel?" Several reasons . First, because Jesus commands christians to: "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," (Matt. 28:19).
Second, because you love the unsaved .The most loving thing you can do is present the gospel in hopes of bringing others to salvation. Galatians 5:22 lists love as one of the fruit of the Spirit. It is love's nature to give. John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..." Love gives, and if you have only a small portion of His love, you will want to give to others.
Third, because it is a wise thing to do. Prov. 11:30 says, "...he who is wise wins souls." I know I am not a very wise person. But, since God says I'll be wise to win souls, or try to, then great, I want to be wise in God's sight.
Fourth, to keep people out of hell. Hell is a terrifying place of utter anguish and eternal separation from God. Those who are not saved go there acording to what i believe. shareing the gospel is an attempt to keep them out of hell.
Fifth, because it pleases God and brings glory to His name.
finally, so they may find the love and fellowship of God (1 John 1:3), the greatest of all treasures. I can think of no greater gift than salvation. It frees the sinner from sin, it delivers the lost from damnation, and it reveals the true and living God to those who don't know Him.
The angels of heaven rejoice greatly when anyone passes from judgment into salvation (Luke 15:10). Shouldn't we weep over the lost? Shouldn't we ask the Lord of the field to send laborers into His harvest (Luke 10:2)? Certainly! The salvation of others is the goal of your efforts. The love of God is your motive. Is there anything greater? | |
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Posted: 11/7/2005 1:57:54 AM | Third, because it is a wise thing to do. Prov. 11:30 says, "...he who is wise wins souls." I know I am not a very wise person. But, since God says I'll be wise to win souls, or try to, then great, I want to be wise in God's sight.
he who is wise wins souls does not mean go out and repeat the same message over and over until you annoy everyone who doesn't believe as you do.
He who is wise is the one who wins the souls, not he who is foolish but attempting to appear wise. There have been many posts in this thread detailing good ways and bad ways to attempt to win souls. It should be abundantly obvious that the bad ways don't work, perhaps it is time to change tactics and have a better chance of being wise, yes?
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=---Sorry, the Bible condemns your idea of tolerance. Take the case of homosexuals. Such behavior, even in private and between "consenting adults" is not "tolerated" by the Law of Moses, and is ground for stoning. If we took seriously the law of the Bible, we could stamp out this ridiculous notion, of our daughters getting into this kind of lifestyle at all, it's so ridiculous and promoted by the liberal college environment, just look at Al Gephart' daughter.
Thus many/most christians are intolerant. This is all I was saying in response to someone who was trying to reinterpret the word tolerant into something completely different. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 8:09:47 PM | Why would concern for your Soul be an annoyance? I guess it could be if you look at in that manner. But Christians look at it like there is a bridge out ahead of you and there is no sign or barrier to let you know. And we are the people desperately trying to save your life. I know I would do everything in my power to try and stop you, or at least try and get your attention.
There are many overly zealous people in this world Christian and non-Christian. They are everywhere. It is merely someones passionate response to their faith. and acts of love towards you even if you don't welcome it. Apparently someone has betrayed you or hurt you to harbour some belief, or maybe you found it to be to restrictive of your personal freedoms. Too often that is the case. and the restrictions are man made. I'm sure none of the Ten Commandments could be considered as oppressive so it would have to be a mans law. Or maybe something tragic has happened in your life that made you doubt his existence. Either way please remember he will always be there for you and will never forsake you no matter what you may think or feel. He will always await you with open arms. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 9:17:44 PM | Jesus commanded the disciples to make disciples of all nations.
Note He said it to the disciples, not the crowds of believers.
1Co 12:29 Not all are apostles, are they? Not all are prophets, are they? Not all are teachers, are they? Not all perform miracles, do they?
1Co 12:30 Not all have the gift of healing, do they? Not all speak in tongues, do they? Not all interpret, do they?
1Co 12:31 Keep on desiring the better gifts. And now I will show you the best way of all.
There is a right time to witness but a lot more wrong times. Witnessing at the wrong time will often spoil a future oppurtunity to do so at the right time. Witnessing is often a way to avoid inner guilt, or a work, and sometimes a method of convincing oneself of the Truth because if it is possible to convince this other of this Truth then there must be something to it.
Always best to pray that the Lord will show me the right time and the right person to witness to with the right motivations. Teach me to be discerning as to when another is in need and open to the message. I have no desire to have anothers blood on my head because I didn't have the patience to wait for God's timing and and turned this person against the very thing I was trying give him hope with because often once they become antagonistic to the message, pride will keep them there. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 9:46:29 PM | Tonight I was pleasantly surprised. After reading several post on this and other forums I was surprised to learn how many Agnostic and Atheist there are and some of the post really saddened me to the point of tears. I'm not a very religious person and never really have been but I prayed a lot over this asking God to please touch hearts. Tonight My prayer was answered. I received email from someone who I thought would never rethink his situation. Only to be thanked for one of my post that enabled him to maybe rethink his faith when I read it I fell to my knees and cried. Tears of joy and amazement flowed from my eyes and I am so humbled to have been apart of this. Don't get me wrong. I take no credit for this I was just thankful that i knew the words that may have touched his heart. Evil, I do respect your opinion there is a lot of truth in what you say and quote. However had I followed your advice this person may have missed something wonderful. I am thankful for my God and my Saviour and to him be Praised.
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Posted: 11/9/2005 3:25:57 AM |
Why would concern for your Soul be an annoyance? I guess it could be if you look at in that manner. But Christians look at it like there is a bridge out ahead of you and there is no sign or barrier to let you know. And we are the people desperately trying to save your life. I know I would do everything in my power to try and stop you, or at least try and get your attention.
There are many overly zealous people in this world Christian and non-Christian. They are everywhere. It is merely someones passionate response to their faith. and acts of love towards you even if you don't welcome it. Apparently someone has betrayed you or hurt you to harbour some belief, or maybe you found it to be to restrictive of your personal freedoms. Too often that is the case. and the restrictions are man made. I'm sure none of the Ten Commandments could be considered as oppressive so it would have to be a mans law. Or maybe something tragic has happened in your life that made you doubt his existence. Either way please remember he will always be there for you and will never forsake you no matter what you may think or feel. He will always await you with open arms.
Sorry to contradict your world order but some of us, myself included, were not turned off of faith by any of the reasons you mentioned. I myself was turned off of faith by actually reading the bible. Once I started questioning it, I could not stop. My questions turned into bitterness, my bitterness turned into anger, my anger turned into agression, my agression turned into regret, and my reget turned into tolerance.
In the course of that journey I have learned much and matured much, however one thing I learned from it is that I could never go back to faith. The genie was out of the bottle and there are too many questions, doubts, and contradictions to ever get it back in, even if I wanted to put it back. We could spend years in the company of the best biblical scholars and I am certain all this would accomplish is the frustration of all parties involved. A mind not prepared to accept faith, will never accept faith.
As for wondering how concern for our immortal souls could be considered annoying, I think you should try playing a scenario in your mind.
Imagine, if you would, that dispite all unlikelihood, the majority of posters in this forum converted to a cult called Citereh. One of the core concepts of this faith is that those who believe anything else will be strengthening the All Devouring One, who happens to be the great enemy of the God Citereh. Those unwitting believers of other faiths will have their souls devoured painfully over the course of the rest of their existance after they die.
All of us Citerehans, now extremely worried for your eternal rest, constantly quote from our holy book, Ysereh, telling you of passages predicting your predicament and insisting that you allow the God Citereh into your heart in order to avoid this dubious fate.
The first time you hear the message you might feel glad that someone was so concerned for you that they would address this concern. The second time you heard it it would still not be a bad thing. Around the twentieth time you heard the message, if not sooner, you would probably be pretty tired of the same old schtick every day and start lashing out at the Citerehan Witnesses. They in turn get hurt and dejected by your violent rejection.
If you can wrap your mind around this scenario then you might begin to understand how we feel upon hearing the same message, delivered practically the same way for the five hundredth time since our converstions. If you keep this in mind when you think it might be time to witness again, then maybe you will use a method that won't instil quite so much annoyance. We can always hope. | |
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Posted: 11/9/2005 7:52:39 AM | My world order?Brother that is sad. very sad. However you have been informed and have made your decision. Unlike you I appreciate anyone's faith and welcome all aspects and views. It helps me to understand and broadens my mind. I love to learn about all peoples beliefs. I will respect your lack of tolerence towards Christians to say you have it is a contridition to your attitude in your post. As you have said you have made your choice and good luck to you. I do beleive you are going to need it. | |
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Posted: 11/10/2005 3:43:28 AM | I seriously have to wonder sometimes.
I study and have studied many faiths. I find them fascinating. That does not mean I have superhuman tolerance for having the same idea pushed at me repeatedly with no apparent concern for how it makes me feel.
I have tried every way I can to provide you with suggestions and methodologies to improve your success rate at conversion and decrease the number of people who would be offended, and at every turn you find a new way to misinterpret or insult my advice.
Furthermore just because I will not and cannot accept Christianity as my faith does not mean I am intolerant of Christian views. Not only do I support the fact that you believe in it, but I have attempted to help you spread the good word as you seem so intent on doing so, but you do not seem interested in listening.
I have tried to help, you have refused to listen. Then you use what seems to be an incredibly twisted definition of the word tolerate to insult me. If it is your goal to convert and witness for others you certainly have an odd way of doing it. | |
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Posted: 11/10/2005 10:19:23 PM | Read the 1st page, and get a feeling that the whole thread is like this.
To the once christian folk:
Life is not easy; It never was meant to be. To truely tell you what life is all about is simple: To come to the saving grace of Jesus Christ, because he died for our sorry behinds. Nothing else, it's that simple. We are a fallen people, that needed a savior, and the entire history of this world is based on Jesus' coming, his teachings, his death and resurrection, and his final return to rid the world of evil for good.
I KNOW it is hard to believe, to have faith. I have recently struggled myself. It was not easy, but I got thru it because he helped me thru it. I had to pray, and pray, and pray, and he gave me the strength I needed to press on.
Truely, Jesus isn't a religion, he is the savior of mankind. To follow him: You dont need to be in a religion, but you do have to realize why he came to die for us on the cross at Calvary.
I can't begin to tell you how much I doubt this and doubt that. Satan is working Overtime folks, and it's not getting any better!
Im sorry to go off on a tangent like this, but sometimes, we have to realize that life isn't a piece of cake, it never was meant to be. Lately, Ive been praying for his return, and yet, still think about people I know that I would like to become saved.
Look, I know people that fell away from the church, from Jesus, and I know why they did. For the same reasons I doubt myself at times, and others. Sometimes, I think Im already in hell, but then I realize to myself, that it's not true, because his grace is still with me. I wish people would realize that our God is good, holy, righteous, and foremost, a judge.
God MADE us. Just thinking about that makes me feel secure knowing that he's in control. You cant measure infinity, yet that is the power he possesses.
Im sorry folks to rant, but Im tired, and my thoughts are just flowing. I hope the ones that fell away come back. I might post my testimony tomorrow on another thread. It's the only reason I came to christ; and I would be dead now if it wasn't for this happening.
Gnite.
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Posted: 11/10/2005 11:04:46 PM | | I have a question for the religious ppl engaging in this forum. Does your belief in god/heaven/hell/ect. effect the way you act? In other words if you did not believe would you act differently? | |
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Posted: 11/11/2005 3:51:46 AM | | llama it's hard to answer that question because I've always been a Christian, but I think because I know God and love him I try and treat people the way he wants me too. I think if I didn't know God and he wasn't in my life I wouldn't care about how I treat others and I would only be out for myself. But I beleive God has given me a concience to know what is right from wrong and also gives me the albilty to feel guilt so when I do something wrong I know it and try to change my behavior and ask for forgiveness. | |
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Posted: 11/11/2005 5:52:23 AM | | @@llama911- I would have been dead over 10 years ago if hadn't been for praying and receiving a saving faith in place of the lifelong belief. Under the belief I would do good out of guilt and fear but under the saving faith did it out of love. A world of difference thank Jesus. | |
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