| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/11/2005 7:52:48 AM |
I have a question for the religious ppl engaging in this forum. Does your belief in god/heaven/hell/ect. effect the way you act? In other words if you did not believe would you act differently?
There are some things in your life that change automatically without you really doing anything about it when you accept Christ. For instance, I like metal music, and I used to like music that kinda bashes God, but I just can't listen to it now. I can't. Physically almost. Really weird. But other things you have to work on, and that's where Christ comes in. He sort of leads you and helps you if you ask along the way. It's a yes and no for that question. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/11/2005 2:00:28 PM | Yes. As a matter of fact, I changed a whole lot when I received Jesus. I find myself straying at times; Something that reminds me of the past. I was into Heavy Metal and a lot of it is anti-Jesus, some not. It really hurts when you stray, because you know it's wrong, and yet you do it anyways. A cant do nothing but ask for forgiveness.
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 4:01:28 AM | OK, sin is evident every day and how we choose to deal with it and interact is OUR choice.
God does not condemn anyone to hell or make them do vile acts, FREE WILL does.
God simply states believe in him and his son Jesus Christ and use common sense and the basic rules (10 comandments) and you pretty much have an inside look at whats true. Now if you worship differently , thats your buisness.
I do agree most ,what i call hard line christians, do come on too strong BUT this is their doing NOT GOD.
God does not make me pick up a crow bar or a gun and kill nor do I believe he asks be to corner people and berate them with his word.
God comes to each person in his own time and place and offers him the gift, the gift of everlasting life in heaven.
Religion is a very rare commodity that thankfully is for the most part is not controlled unless your religion is so disgustingly vile that it even goes against common decency.
Everyone can be against christianity (not God) as an organized body. BUT one day everyone will figure out they are either right or wrong ,believer or not, in the end.
God guides me everyday and I try to do what is right, I will not get in anyones face and preach to them till I cant breath, but i can pray to (my) God and Jesus Christ to let any and all find him in their own way. Almost 12 years ago I was in a VERY bad accident and came out with some major injuries but I also came away with a very honest sense of some greater power kept me from being killed that day. Everyday I ask God to help me get through the day , to give me a good day at work and keep me safe. And I know if I should die in another wreck I can and will go to heaven.
I look at some of the most incredible thing on any given day, pictures of the cosmos, the stars in the sky, a simple flower,,,, man there HAS to be a greater power at work and while most people think about the bible being the do all and end all it is merely an interepted and translated compilation of many writings and teachings from prophets, schollars and diciples of God put together by one man and his underlings. Do we know that every word of the King James version bible is accurate to the last period? No. But I do believe in God and can see so much more than the narrow view of "bible" thumpers. A friend of mine has charted some obvious correlations in history to the bible and its contents and we now believe that Gods creation(s) is/are much older than the current church acceptance. But we also have in our minds an honest understanding that too many complex and wonderful things are collected here on this tiny little pebble of sand in the universe to not have a grand plan and higher power starting it ,possibly to just see what happens, to think so many things just "pop" and there they are. I have my opinion of the God created the heavens and the earth in 6 days as being in Gods length of days not mans. One day in someone of that power would/could be millions or billions of years to come to the fruition of life today.
Anyway if you want to have a view so be it but I can still ask MY God to show you what i have seen, and if you want to ignore it or bash it so be it but I am and always will be a Christian in that I believe in God and the Lord Saviour Jesus Christ and no mater what anyone tries to interpet or imply into the bible and its contents. I have no doubt someone will have an opinion to agree with or disagree with me and my God.
There are to many wonderous things in/on this planet alone to not believe there is no higher being and i believe that to be God.
Lee
PS asb keep the faith. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 6:59:32 AM | | As I get older I have learned that Christianity was just a power hungry religion that took over, obliterating and stealing all the pagan holidays & traditions....and Christians are extremely good at brainwashing thier children who don't know any better. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 7:46:12 AM | hmph. Funny how you say that, in yet I couldn't be 'brainwashed' even though I grew up in a baptist christian family. It took a grimpse of hell for me to realize my ways. Guess Im that 'exception to the rule'.
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 7:58:46 AM |
That's another thing, you feel guilty if you do something bad or anything like that. It's the Holy Spirit.
I beg to differ..it's called a conscience. Any healthy normal human being has one. | |
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dud
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Joined: 9/9/2005
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 8:30:47 AM | i gave up on the whole god thing when i was 3. i found out about santa and figured i wasnt about to be fooled twice the same way. if god is real, and he wants my attention, im sure he can think of something (i would hope)
i think people have religion because they are scared of death | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 8:32:52 AM | Man, your a genius infornography. I read your posts and if it make your feel any better there is at least one person on this thread that's hearing what your saying. And just to help further your point i'll lay out another example for the good people of the faith.
I'm rollerblading home from work one night, just got off a 11 hour day, really tired and really cranky and i have to rollerblade home, it's a good 30 minute blade from where i work to home. So i'm a bit cranky.. and just as i'm about to get home... i notice 2 well dress well statured gentalmen about 30 yards up ahead, and closing. As i pass them, one of them reaches out a grabs my arm violently... i almost stumble to the ground he pulled on my so hardly.
So it turns out these two fellas are on a mission. They pulled me outta my momentum and my took time outta my already exhausted day to lecture me about religion and how it will save my life. This was the most insulting thing that's happend to me all month! I'm dog beat tired and exhausted from work and rollerblading and these to morons wanna lecture me. If this isn't forcing religion on someone in the 20th centry then i donno what is.
But the point of the story is; is that it does get annoying and even insulting to have religious members, representitives etc... etc... come up to me, specially after servering my time in the workforce for that day and bog me down with religious mumbojumbo. I acctully laughed afterwards... when i thought more about it... i think it's pretty pathetic when religion can't get people to come into there churchs so they send people out to recruit other people, what a sad sence of expansion and growth, it's like its a weak excuse of a marketing plan or somthing. I'd hate to be those fools when they ask someone who really feels insulted by this and that person just looses it on them. Mother ****ers won't know what happend or why for that matter there probebly so bullheaded. Hey, least i was poliet in telling them to take a hike. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 8:55:06 AM | That's another thing, you feel guilty if you do something bad or anything like that. It's the Holy Spirit.
Omg, girl. That's called morals, and knowing the difference between right and wrong. Somepeople have mental blockages that hinder that intelligence.but's that different.
What you call this is called deductive logic. It's agian, referring to a post in another thread the way humans operate.
For example, at is simplist form. You in a store and you see a magazine, you really want the magazine.. really bad... it's got exactly what you want in it, the exact artical or picture or passage, or w/e. The point is, is you really really want this magazine. You dip into your pocket, ohhh.. no cash, no change. Can't get it. Now, here comes the unlawful thought, should i steal it? maybe?...Nawww i can't steal it.. it's not me. Or OR! in some cases.. ya i could get away with it.
Now here's where deductive logic comes into play. Humans can concatenate two ideas together to get another sum, or answer. So basically, after going through that unlawful thought you start to think of the consciences of each action. There's the concatenate part of the process. So now you've thought of the process and understand the consciences of each action, now you get to choose what you will do? And the real question is, what will you do? take the magazine and pay for it, or take the magazine and run with it? That depends on the person, and hopefully with luck, there parents were smart enough to instill good moral judgement, not some holy spirt. Moral judgement is what gets you through the day without getting into a scrap with every little problem that comes your way.
Nine times out of Ten, theres a right and wrong answer to everything... in one shape or another you just have to consider everything in order to make a right decision. Ethics really comes into play as well. For example, if i were married.. and i'm not, but if i were and my wife and I were on the edge of having a baby and it was starting to show, and my wife asked my... "do i look fat?" Now the honest answer is that, "of course honey, but you have a baby what do you expect?" It might be rude to say that, but it's honest none the less. OR OR! you could say "absoulutly NOT you donnot look fat! you look beautiful" So agian, depending on how you respond is kinda based on how you treat your own moral judgement? Was it immoral to lie to your wife straight to her face, or.. is it immoral to tell her she's beatiful and thin and lovley and however else you can spread the surgar on, is that immoral as well? It will depend on your moral judgement.
Just to tac on another example, just to clear things up? A buddy comes up to ya and he says he's got some women trouble... but you know nothing of there relationship, you know nothing.. not how long they've been dating.. not how they've been dating.. nothing. So he descibes this problem to you and look at him sideways and tell'em, sorry man.. i ain't getting involved. It's none of my business. So he gets upset about the fact you got nothing to say. Or you could get snoopy and start digging around and try and help solve this issue. It's another moral question? You ask yourself, do i wanna get involved and understand, or would it be just better to stay out and let synchronicity take it's course. Once agian the human mind uses a form of deductive logic to come to it's decision, you don't put your hands together and pray for an answer. And if you do, your gonna be praying for a long time. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 9:23:31 AM |
i found out about santa
You mean he isn't real?!
i think people have religion because they are scared of death
Alot of people embrace religion of any type for that reason. It makes them feel peaceful that there will be an afterlife when they pass. | |
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dud
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Joined: 9/9/2005
Msg: 187 | |
| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 9:49:06 AM | | yeah, and i think thats a shame. i have my own beliefs about after-life and i think its actually much better than what i hear from others | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 2:26:08 PM |
I beg to differ..it's called a conscience. Any healthy normal human being has one.
Not always. I know quite a few people who barely have one and they are as healthy and normal as horses... Now what causes someone to be "healthy and normal"? No one knows. If you grew up in a family where killing puppies was allowed and your parents said it was ok, that would be "healthy and normal" for you.
And I'm speaking for a Christian p.o.v. Ask any Christian here, something in you changes when you accept Christ and have the Holy Spirit working in your life. Something changes bigtime. Go ahead. Ask any Christian. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 2:49:20 PM | Not always
I agree not always... we are a people of influence....raised in or around something even if you don't agree with things you oftentimes pick up habits here and there.
I know quite a few people who barely have one and they are as healthy and normal as horses
Gauranteed something in life affected them to make them this way... remember..children are innocent...we know nothing but love, and forgiveness, etc...it's the world around us that corrupts us...so at one point in time...I think everyone has a moral conscience. That's just what I beleive tho.
If you grew up in a family where killing puppies was allowed and your parents said it was ok, that would be "healthy and normal" for you.
Healthy? No. Normal? Yes.
And I'm speaking for a Christian p.o.v. Ask any Christian here, something in you changes when you accept Christ and have the Holy Spirit working in your life. Something changes bigtime.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt...so truly I don't need to ask. Lest we forget I was "one of you guys" for many years..I know the game and how it's played and blah blah blah.
What I'm saying is... I don't think you can truly sit and say that only God gives you the knowledge of right and wrong... | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 3:00:48 PM |
@@i think people have religion because they are scared of death@@
That is why they have religion. Others have Jesus because they were scared of life. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 4:08:10 PM | | SweetTreat- Do you think that maybe you weren't a real Christian? Or if you were, maybe you never let the Holy Spirit work in your life? | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 4:13:49 PM | SweetTreat- Do you think that maybe you weren't a real Christian? Or if you were, maybe you never let the Holy Spirit work in your life?
Actually I resent the notion of even implying "perhaps I wasn't a real christian", just because I happen to disagree with you. And it's a question I won't dignify with an answer, | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 5:07:45 PM | | I didn't mean to offend you. I wasn't saying it in a malicious way. I was honestly curious. Some people think they are, but when it comes time, aren't. I'm just curious as to what turned you away from it, that's all. My sister is kinda going through the same thing. she believed, and she still does, but when she miscarried, that's what really triggered it. | |
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j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
Msg: 195 | |
| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 5:14:48 PM | SweetTreat,
I have to side with ASB on this. I know if I were a Christian and felt whatever feeling they claim to feel, I couldn't not believe....it would be a part of me. I once had blind faith in the existence of the Christian God, but wouldn't ever say I was once a Christian. If you were a Christian, how do you stop believing ? How do you explain the feeling that they talk about as letting Jesus into you ? | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 5:32:55 PM |
I didn't mean to offend you. I wasn't saying it in a malicious way. I was honestly curious. Some people think they are, but when it comes time, aren't. I'm just curious as to what turned you away from it, that's all. My sister is kinda going through the same thing. she believed, and she still does, but when she miscarried, that's what really triggered it.
And j-roc...this is also in response to what you posted... I have a LONG list of things in life I've been through that if I even started to tell you...you'd say "wow it's a miracle you aren't dead". I don't tell alot of people often for several reasons. 1. It isn't their business unless I chose to make it so. 2. I HATE pity...omg do I hate it...so it's best left unsaid. 3. I don't go for the "woe is me" aspect of life either. Point is...people leave religion in my opinion for something that perhaps happened within their church that affected them..or just life in general. I got through this crap in life (and still am enduring it)...and I have always admitted if I didnt have the church and God during that time...I'm not too sure how things would have ended up. So when the different christians here question whether someone really knew God, or how could you leave him if you know what it's like...I say this: Walk a mile in my shoes (or someone elses really) and than sit back and ponder and I'm sure you'll get your answer. Am I bitter towards the church? Yes. Am I bitter against God? Yes. Am I searching for something? Yes. What it is..who knows..but I'm sure when I find it I will. By nature I'm the type that tackles my issues alone..I wouldnt ask for help from anyone..let alone God lol just the stubborness in me I suppose  | |
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j-roc
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 7:13:40 PM |
I have been on threads with Sweettreat for a long time, and for the life of me I can't figure out why she disagrees with everybody
Not true....but I more than likely will always disagree with you...because you are an idiot.
and she is usually wrong
I may stop taking her seriously if this continues
Oh I stopped taking you seriously a while ago....did the Dr forget to administer your meds again today grod? Tsk. Damn american health care is lacking I tell you. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 7:44:38 PM |
I have been on threads with Sweettreat for a long time, and for the life of me I can't figure out why she disagrees with everybody, and she is usually wrong. I may stop taking her seriously if this continues.
Just how does this very nasty comment add to an otherwise civil discussion? | |
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