| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 5:07:45 PM | | I didn't mean to offend you. I wasn't saying it in a malicious way. I was honestly curious. Some people think they are, but when it comes time, aren't. I'm just curious as to what turned you away from it, that's all. My sister is kinda going through the same thing. she believed, and she still does, but when she miscarried, that's what really triggered it. | |
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j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
Msg: 195 | |
| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 5:14:48 PM | SweetTreat,
I have to side with ASB on this. I know if I were a Christian and felt whatever feeling they claim to feel, I couldn't not believe....it would be a part of me. I once had blind faith in the existence of the Christian God, but wouldn't ever say I was once a Christian. If you were a Christian, how do you stop believing ? How do you explain the feeling that they talk about as letting Jesus into you ? | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 5:32:55 PM |
I didn't mean to offend you. I wasn't saying it in a malicious way. I was honestly curious. Some people think they are, but when it comes time, aren't. I'm just curious as to what turned you away from it, that's all. My sister is kinda going through the same thing. she believed, and she still does, but when she miscarried, that's what really triggered it.
And j-roc...this is also in response to what you posted... I have a LONG list of things in life I've been through that if I even started to tell you...you'd say "wow it's a miracle you aren't dead". I don't tell alot of people often for several reasons. 1. It isn't their business unless I chose to make it so. 2. I HATE pity...omg do I hate it...so it's best left unsaid. 3. I don't go for the "woe is me" aspect of life either. Point is...people leave religion in my opinion for something that perhaps happened within their church that affected them..or just life in general. I got through this crap in life (and still am enduring it)...and I have always admitted if I didnt have the church and God during that time...I'm not too sure how things would have ended up. So when the different christians here question whether someone really knew God, or how could you leave him if you know what it's like...I say this: Walk a mile in my shoes (or someone elses really) and than sit back and ponder and I'm sure you'll get your answer. Am I bitter towards the church? Yes. Am I bitter against God? Yes. Am I searching for something? Yes. What it is..who knows..but I'm sure when I find it I will. By nature I'm the type that tackles my issues alone..I wouldnt ask for help from anyone..let alone God lol just the stubborness in me I suppose  | |
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j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
Msg: 197 | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 7:13:40 PM |
I have been on threads with Sweettreat for a long time, and for the life of me I can't figure out why she disagrees with everybody
Not true....but I more than likely will always disagree with you...because you are an idiot.
and she is usually wrong
I may stop taking her seriously if this continues
Oh I stopped taking you seriously a while ago....did the Dr forget to administer your meds again today grod? Tsk. Damn american health care is lacking I tell you. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 7:44:38 PM |
I have been on threads with Sweettreat for a long time, and for the life of me I can't figure out why she disagrees with everybody, and she is usually wrong. I may stop taking her seriously if this continues.
Just how does this very nasty comment add to an otherwise civil discussion? | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/12/2005 9:36:45 PM | Sweettreat- Doesn't mean you're not a Christian. Just an angry and bitter one.
With all due respect, you're not the first, neither likely the last. I've had to deal off and on with anger towards God myself and church....I've had my issues with it too, but that doesn't make me a non-christian. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/13/2005 1:55:45 AM |
What I'm saying is... I don't think you can truly sit and say that only God gives you the knowledge of right and wrong...
I just noticed this line and I couldn't help the immediate response that came to mind... God doesn't give you the knowledge of right and wrong, apples apparently do that.
/disclaimer This post was intended purely as humor. This does not necissarially reflect the views of Infornography or Infornography related products or services. Some restrictions may apply. See local vendor for details. Void where prohibited./end disclaimer. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/13/2005 7:04:19 AM | | Never followed it but totally see what you mean. Its hard to understand why they can be so judgemental when their religion says that they are not supposed to be. It even breaks families. I know a guy who's brother converted to christianity and thats not a bad thing but he lost the better part of his own family because of preaching to people who aren't interested and judging them for the lifestyles that they lead. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/13/2005 8:28:04 AM | | How come people keep thinking we are the ones that are so judgmental when I see tons of groups bashing christians? kinda ironic. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/13/2005 12:41:04 PM | | I have no problem admitting I'm judgemental. However, unlike Christians, I don't have a religion that tells me not to be judgemental. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/13/2005 4:04:51 PM | | fair enough, but it just kills me that I see everyone putting christians down over and over again, and no ones looking at themselves. and I ask myself why. I don't get it. | |
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j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
Msg: 208 | |
| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/13/2005 4:09:19 PM | | I find that the Christians are constantly being questioned, not being put down. They are asked to explain their extraordinary claims and back it up. As far as putting people down I think it is equal among all the religious and non-religious....not just one side. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/13/2005 7:51:29 PM | | That's how I feel. I see Christians, Catholics, Jews, Athiests, Pagans, Wiccans, etc... ALLLLLL groups kinda being crappy to each other. :P | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/13/2005 9:19:07 PM | Christians get a lot of attention because many of them demand a lot of attention. Pagans do not go around telling people they are going to hell. Athiests do not tell people that Satan is the cause of all the world's ills and that you should be vigilant in not following him.
Christianity may not be the only religion that has a black and white interpretation of the world where everyone who isn't of their faith is doomed to some nasty fate, but they are the most widespread of such religions in the US, Canada, and Europe. Since the US, Canada, and Europe are the regions that converse in English the most on the internet, Christianity bears the brunt of the reprisals.
Evangelical Christianity is the reason Christianity has a bad name. If Pagans were the dominant religion in the regions involved and they believed all non-Pagans were going to Hades or Tartarus, then I am sure they would be getting the exact same backlash Christians get whether they deserve it or not. However if Pagans retained their belief that there are many paths to enlightenment and were the dominant religion, then there would be significantly less backlash.
There will always be those people who get their dander up about anything that is percieved as superstition being taken as truth, but they would have a much smaller audience if nobody else had a beef with the larger religions of the time.
I'm not excusing the behavior, but I hope this explains it somewhat. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/13/2005 9:25:48 PM | Good post Info. Too blame Evangelical Christianity as a whole would to be stereotyping. Not all of them are pushy but there is just enough to make the rest look bad. I have disagreed with you on many occasions but I do now think you are a stand up guy and a good fellow at that. I certianly do respect you as a person and I wish you no ill will | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/14/2005 7:27:18 AM | As I understand it Man lost his relationship to 'God' in an attempt to be his own, independently. This is the tragedy and lie. 'Christianity' or any other form of acknowledgment of the divine reflects both the attempt to return to that inate Spirit as well as all the flawed nature still present in our character. Se heck yea, nothing ever works out just the way you want it to. We see but a poor reflection. But these three remain: faith hope and love. Or you can just give in to the dark side.
Just have to make up your own dam mind! | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/19/2005 7:23:34 AM | | I am not bashing anyone. I really have seen people fight that badly over it and yeah have seen families and friends part because of it. | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/19/2005 11:01:22 AM | | Ya it stinks when people do that. But we are all not perfect and peoples pride, egos, etc... get in the way, and makes a very unhappy world :( UGH, gotta love this world! | |
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| Used to be Christian... now against it.
Posted: 11/19/2005 11:27:25 AM | Cleo- Hey- I know from your previous posts way back , that you have been persecuted by those who claim to be Christians. It would make me mad too, if someone misjudged me in the name of religon. But I still submit to you that it isn't the religon of Christianity that is to blame. It is quite clear that true Christians should acknowlegde the fact that they do not have the right nor the authority to judge others. We are all sinners , as I have stated before . Sometimes we act inapropriately , CHRISTIANS , and NON-CHRISTIANS. It is a part of being humans- who are sinners, we are all guilty of this, some just use religon to cover up their own inaproriate behavior.
Persecuting others may give them a false sense of self rightousness ,or just make them feel better about themselves. Who knows? I do know that when people do this , they are not acting as true Christians.
I agree with ASB , this world would be a better place if it weren't for pride and egos getting in the way of us knowing what is right. But again these are human traits, not Christian ones, but we as Christans are human.
I know from reading your posts Cleo, that you are very intellingent and have good insight, I do respect you alot. | |
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