| How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/25/2007 8:04:26 PM |
I'll take this a step further. If a school authority preys - he must prey to all deities equally. The constitution says government isn't to FAVOR any one religion over another. It doesn't exclude a teacher from giving 'equal time' to multiple religions. I'll back it up a step, myself. For one thing, I don't like "shoulds", but that's irrelevant. The simple point is that prayer, on an individual basis, cannot be touched by the government. No law could keep folks from praying, and there's no need to hash on and on about "taking prayer out of schools" for just that reason. If kids wanna pray, they're gonna. So, we let 'em. Same thing applies to teachers and administrators, believe it or not. How's someone going to stop a teacher from praying on the teacher's lunch hour? Or in the faculty lounge, or if they get to class early and bow their head before the bell? There's honestly no point in even trying. The point behind the whole deal is that teachers can't require kids to pray. And, that's as it "should" be, yes? | |
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| How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/25/2007 10:56:45 PM |
I'll take this a step further. If a school authority preys - he must prey to all deities equally. The constitution says government isn't to FAVOR any one religion over another. It doesn't exclude a teacher from giving 'equal time' to multiple religions.
Yes, it does!!! My children (my family) are atheists (the ONLY openly atheist family in my backwoods Arkansas community)....how are they going to prAy to any god without making them feel singled out...it is impossible. My children already have to deal with saying the pledge and being the only kids in the school to close their mouth during "under god". They had to deal with a prayer during their kindergarten graduation ceremony.....they sat proudly with their heads up........this last year my son actually looked at me, winked and gave me a thumbs up.....they do not deserve to deal with some school official praying to ANY god. They can pray privately to anyone they choose. When they force my children to participate in any fashion (even having to listen) they have just trampled on their rights. | |
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| How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/26/2007 1:57:21 AM | | I say it is a right and the government needs to leave it alone.Let our youngsters worship where they wish and if prayer is there less violence would be there too and more respect. jUst dont push your religion on others.For me it is a must! | |
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| How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/26/2007 2:04:06 AM | | Then homeschool them.Many folks do.I don't believe in anyone pushing religion on the other but if they don't choose to participate fine stay home or stand aside .Just don't interfer.WE cannot make the horse drink water if the horse is not thrirsty but at least give the opportunity.In America we have that right to choose and it should be in schools too as long as it is not harming others . | |
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| How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/26/2007 3:02:07 AM |
The point behind the whole deal is that teachers can't require kids to pray. And, that's as it "should" be, yes?
I agree.
When they force my children to participate in any fashion (even having to listen) they have just trampled on their rights.
Where in the constitution does it say, "You have the right not to hear"? | |
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| What do you think about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/26/2007 7:03:54 AM | You need to read another book, sassy. Religion is one of the most common reason people kill each other throughout human history. There would be less violence without it. (Remember 9oneone? Know about the Crusades? The Inquisition? THe extermination of Native Americans? The decades-long war between India and Pakistan? These are only examples.)
Perhaps what you mean is that character and moral restraint reduce violence, and there I would agree with you. But no one needs invisible friends to cultivate those virtues.
Cheers!
Vulf  | |
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| What do you think about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/26/2007 4:20:47 PM | Shieldvulf, I'm going to disagree with you on religion being the source of most of the worlds killings. It is true that humans have used their god to justify War rape murder and any other number of atrocities. yet the largest mass murders in the 20th century were not men of faith. Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot. were not men of faith. hitler wasa spiritsite and yes there were christians within the up escalates of the Third Reich.
What i see is The leading cause of man inhumanity to man is the true believer and Blind faith. it does not matter if that faith is Islam, Christianity, Communism, Nationalism. The true believer will justify any number of acts of Horror in the name of the greater good.
sorry for going off topic with this.
I do see that when The state takes control of religion or when religion takes control of the state The end result will be ugly. | |
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| How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/26/2007 5:34:32 PM | First you say
jUst dont push your religion on others.For me it is a must!
Then turn around and say
Then homeschool them.Many folks do.I don't believe in anyone pushing religion on the other but if they don't choose to participate fine stay home or stand aside .Just don't interfer.WE cannot make the horse drink water if the horse is not thrirsty but at least give the opportunity.In America we have that right to choose and it should be in schools too as long as it is not harming others
Which is a complete contradiction! Teaching children to "worship" at school is a violation of the law and IS harmful.. If you want belief in a god to be a part of your children's education process then it is YOUR responsibility to keep them home and teach them there. My children should never have to step aside so teachers can teach fairy tales as reality in their schools. Fortunately, religion is being pushed farther and farther from the schools every day, even in the small, country, Southern schools like the one my children attend. It is a slow process, unfortunately. | |
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| How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/26/2007 7:17:27 PM | I'm all for prayer in the public schools. When I was a girl, we started every morning with prayer--and we didn't have any school shootings, rapes at school, teacher sex predators, etc. Pray sets a positive tone for the day. I say let each person pray in their own way, but PRAY!
People who want to ban pray in school are silly. You'll never be able to ban prayer as long as teachers keep on giving tests. | |
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| How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/26/2007 7:51:32 PM |
You'll never be able to ban prayer as long as teachers keep on giving tests
That is a ridiculous notion! My kids are some of the best students in the school and you can rest assured they NEVER pray for a test! Or any other reason. They are also some of the kindest and most compassionate kids I have ever met. It is the religious kids that cause the problems......many times my children have been threatened and a couple of times my oldest son has even been attacked physically by children who decided they needed to "beat the fear of god" into him. Prayer is NOT what keeps violence out of schools. | |
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| How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/26/2007 8:46:57 PM | Deebug,
When I was a girl, we started every morning with prayer--and we didn't have any school shootings, rapes at school, teacher sex predators, etc.
When I was in school, we didn't have a sanctioned morning prayer. We didn't have any school shootings, rapes at school, or teacher sex predators (although there was this one hot teacher, and I wouldn't have minded it myself... lol)
Pray sets a positive tone for the day.
For that individual, sanctioned by that individual. The debate is not about "allowing" kids to pray. The ACLU would be all over a school's a$$, and yes, HAS BEEN, when a school tries to stop kids getting together and even having after-school bible meetings. The debate is about whether the school itself (via teacher, administrator, etc) dispurses religion (ie prayer) to kids.
Let the kids do it themselves. You don't need Uncle Sam as your pastor, sorry. | |
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| How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/26/2007 9:12:40 PM |
Deebug: I'm all for prayer in the public schools...I say let each person pray in their own way, but PRAY!
bear in mind that those who want prayers in school don't want their kids to have the option of praying, because they already have it. The ones who want prayer in school are christians that want their religion forced on non-christians. That is what you're fighting for, forcing your beliefs down the throats of those of different beliefs.
So when you say you're all for prayer in schools and to let each person pray in their own way - that's a contradiction. You really want each person to pray the christian way. | |
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| How do you feel about prayer in school?
Posted: 7/29/2007 12:08:58 PM | | Darwinism used to be banned in schools at one time as well. There used to be book burnings when people disaproved of certain literature. So why not ban prayer from the schools and while we are at it why not remove all referances of religion in history lessons it would make for a lot less studying for the students, of course it would mean leaving out this countries own history as well because our founding fathers were influenced by religious believes. oh: for the record I am not a religious man but I am not opposed to people practising there religous believes. I cant understand why everything has to be taken to one extreme or the other when there is so much middle ground, I read a forum on here about open-mindedness why can't there be a little more of that of that. | |
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