funn1
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 3:41:43 PM | | What people call goasts are just fallen angels. The bible is clear that when you die you go to the grave , you know nothing it even says you will not return to your house. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 3:47:06 PM | You are off topic ASB but the answers to both your questions are that people love to annoy and hate those that find evil in everything... The Bible although worshiped by some is seriously questioned at best by most others. As for the books you recommend I have no problem reading them.
As for things out of the realm of the CPV most of modern day medicine and science contradicts the Biblical perspective... especially quantum physics theory…
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 3:50:27 PM | I share most of your views Ed except reincarnation... at best that to me is a personal choice that one can make or not.
SweetTreat-- Yep life is way more fun for those of us willing to learn new things and consider new ideas before we decide they are evil or whatever
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 4:09:17 PM | There sure are many ways/choices. but, there's only one right way and i believe the Bible.
WIDE is the gate,..but NARROW is the way. You have up til your last breath to accept the truth. Good luck. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 4:21:36 PM |
The Bible tells us, "they go to a place of torrment, which is in the center of the earth called-hades." Like i said, ghost are just evil demons-seducing all those who don't believe. If you have a problem with that, take it up with God. I'm just a messanger.
Grplane, how is it you can believe that demons can escape the fires of hell, to fool and torment us.
But you can't believe there are spirits that come and visit us from heaven.
Now personally if I was a demon and could escape.....(if I believed in hell) then for sure I would.
If I was a spirit in heaven and had a chance to come back and see my loved ones I sure would do that too.
Your *logic?* makes no sense. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 4:34:56 PM | | IMO, ghosts are apparitions that belong to the bodies of the people who died without accomplishing something that they had been destined to do or died a violent death. Take the movie "The Ghost", for example. Or ghosts appear when someone needs help. There was a case of a train operator. He was at the helm of his train when he discerned the ghost of a woman waving at him from afar. He managed to bring the train to a standstill, came out and found a little baby right on the rails. Later on, it was discovered that the baby belonged to a woman upon whose death the girlfriend of the baby's father had decided to get rid of the child in that way. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 5:55:04 PM | Spiritual Cat
Just out of curiosity, just because people are sharing things from a Christian point of view instead of from your point of view, does it make my answer wrong because it isn't how you feel? You can give answers still you are blue in the face from YOUR side of the story, but if anyone clashes with you, you have to think it's wrong. I'm telling the dude who made this thread because he is a fellow Christian and he might see where I'm coming from better than someone who doesn't really understand out p.o.v. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 7:01:31 PM | ASB you were off topic and you asked some questions. I gave some answers to those off topic questions... As for pov I will let the OP make up his own mind... I just gave him something reasonable to work with that is not so wrapped up in fear mongering and evil/fault finding tendencies...
As for the Christian pov it doesn't take rocket science to understand it... Been there done that got a grip and moved on IMO...
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 7:12:16 PM | | That's fine if you believe differently, and believe me, I wasn't condemning what you have to say at all. It's cool that you would share your beliefs and I can respect a person for openly doing that. It just came off (and you said this to me and the other christian dude in here) and our p.o.v.'s are wrong. And I'm sorry if I made it sound like I was ****ing because that wasn't my intention. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 7:50:57 PM |
Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Not quite sure, but I think I've pinned them down to somewhere between the butter side down and wherever the "missing sock" goes. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 7:51:25 PM | No problem ASB. Like I have said before you and others are entitled to your pov, but I will challenge things that do not make sense to me. SFL said it well when she questioned if it was logical to believe that demons can escape hell and are all around us to torment us and yet also think none of our loved ones in heaven would be allowed to visit us and let us know they are ok and what their experiences in the afterlife is like. If that is the way God works things then I think there is a serious problem but then that is just my opinion. I let others make up their own minds.
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
Msg: 40 | |
| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 7:51:51 PM | | The Bible tells us, "they go to a place of torrment,( which is in the center of the earth called-hades.") The bible says no such thing, this is a teching from greek mythology. No place in the bible will you find hell in the middle of the earth in fact it says hell will be on earth to burn the devil and his people to dust. | |
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Dryad
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Joined: 7/19/2005
Msg: 43 | |
| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 8:05:23 PM | I can figure out the butter-side down (http://exn.ca/dailyplanet/story.asp?id=2002030451)
Now the missing sock… Feral… you’ve stumped me once again  | |
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Dryad
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Joined: 7/19/2005
Msg: 45 | |
| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 8:13:03 PM | ^^Maybe the missing socks are simply manifestations of socks achieving an enlightened state and consequently being transformed into lint. I mean there’s an awful lot of lint in the dryer.
(Sorry, I'll let you get back to the ghostly business) | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 8:34:33 PM | Since bread always lands butter side down, and cats always land on their feet, I've heard that if you strapped buttered bread on a cat's back and threw it, the cat would actually levitate!
I wonder what wonkavision would think about that, eh? | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 8:37:28 PM | | LOL I challenge you to try it and let us know the result Flyguy... I can tell ya my cats will have none of that kind of nonsense I am sure! | |
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Posted: 11/2/2005 9:04:14 PM | No, I think I'll pass. You're right... it is hard to find a willing participant with cats. I once put a Snoopy doll flying helmet on my childhood cat. It looked really funny, but she didn't seem to care for it.
Cheers!  | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 9:23:54 PM | Sweet Treat:
You want answers? I got answers. How are you?
Do not get too involved in the game of "we are going through stages and there are lessons to learn and we're getting better each lifetime" and so forth, 'cause it's not true.
When you have time passing, and experience being recorded, and a being unable to recall or avail him or herself of this experience then this is hardly an increase in their awareness, is it? Quite the contrary, awareness over time is diminishing. Take a look around this planet today, it is hard to say that things are getting better.
See what I mean. There really is no plan. It's up to you what happens, not as part of a plan but of your own considerations. The past can be recovered, just ask any past life therapist.
This is sooth I tell thee... but don't take my word for it, find out yourself...
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/2/2005 10:30:36 PM |
No problem ASB. Like I have said before you and others are entitled to your pov, but I will challenge things that do not make sense to me. SFL said it well when she questioned if it was logical to believe that demons can escape hell and are all around us to torment us and yet also think none of our loved ones in heaven would be allowed to visit us and let us know they are ok and what their experiences in the afterlife is like. If that is the way God works things then I think there is a serious problem but then that is just my opinion. I let others make up their own minds.
What's kinda ironic about that is that God is the "owner", maker, creator, etc... of all, but this world is basically the Devil's. He can do only what God allows him to do. For instance with Job, Satan had to go to God and basically get permission. That's why this life is nuts. We have all these twists and turns and so many curve balls thrown at us. But anything bad that happens to you or temptations can be made into something VERY good. Same things with demons.
Here is something interesting it says in the Bible...
1 John 4
Test the Spirits
1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood. | |
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