| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/8/2005 3:06:26 AM | | creepy... do you know a real good site for ghostly stuff? I am interested in the wierd effects some capture on photographs, I don't seem to find much, though the classic pictures are still very interesting. I'd like to learn more about those voices recorded from the other side too... can't remember the terminology for it. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/8/2005 4:49:34 AM | Thought that was what they could capture on tape when they thought there was spirit energy around.
Sorry sky I went out on line and looked. This is what I came up with.
E.V.P stands for Electronic Voice Phenomena. This Phenomena occurs when the voices of a Spirit interrupt an Electro Magnetic Field,"E.M.F's", so inturn using audio tape i.e. from a micro cassette recorder reveals these voices where as before they could not be heard by a human ear. It is the same way with a dog-whistle, the dog in this case being the audio recorder. We as humans cannot pick up the sound of this dog-whistle because the frequency is to high. The dog, on the other hand can, because its ear drum is designed for hearing higher frequencies. The audio recorder uses magnets to record onto tape when an Electro Magnetic field is interrupted such as when paranormal activity occurs. This inturn effects the tape i.e."E.V.P"
source:http://www.ghostpix.com/gis/E.V.P.html | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/8/2005 6:25:39 AM | SFL's definition is good. Now I have some issues with EVP. There are way too many opportunities for fraud or at least questions around if the equipment used is sound. I mean this is a highly specialized type of ghost tracking. Not like one can just use a run of the mill tape recorder... Most of the studies I have read about are cases where the researchers built their own specialized equipment. This is the same issue I have with most of the pics on the web. Again specialized equipment is used by professionals like those who work with law enforcement and the government to research such phenomena.
Having said that the EVP recordings and pics are fun to look at and one of the best sites I have found for a picture gallery is a site called Coast to Coast (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/) Now there is a lot of flaky stuff on this site but if weird and wonderful pics is what you are after this place will have them.
As for the movie White Noise I don't know much about it... Have not seen it because I thought it was another typical Hollywood ghost horror flick and that kind of thing is of little interest to me... Guess I will need to check it out.
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/8/2005 6:33:57 AM | Hey Cat,
I don't know anything about that site I posted but they have recordings on there, I would be interested in your take of them if you have time. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 6:41:45 AM | SFL--Will have a look or umm a listen LOL and let you know... but I have to say I have not done a lot of research in EVP but I will let you know what I think...
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/8/2005 9:51:37 AM | | I think Ghost are trapped between places and it could be the family keeping them here or they don't know how to move on. Although I like to think Ghost can be friendly and playful, I wouldn't want to entertain an unhappy ghost or spirit who think they may have the right to be in my space. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 12:46:02 PM | Dont try to confusse yourself. Christens (the ones that belive in heaven and hell) dont belive in 'ghosts'... They belive in 'spirits.' A spirit is something like a 'devil' I guess. He is sent out by 'satan' to roam the Earth and cause pain. They dont belive that there are dead peoples souls roaming the Earth.
Newage belives that there are 'ghosts.' Not only 'spirits' but 'ghosts' also. A 'spirit' is a friendly kind of 'ghost' that is simply there to love you. A 'ghost' on the other hand, is someone who is there to haunt.. or scare you.
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Posted: 11/8/2005 12:59:09 PM |
Dont try to confusse yourself. Christens (the ones that belive in heaven and hell) dont belive in 'ghosts'... They belive in 'spirits.' A spirit is something like a 'devil' I guess. He is sent out by 'satan' to roam the Earth and cause pain. They dont belive that there are dead peoples souls roaming the Earth.
The Devil and Satan are one and the same. God has angels, Satan and demons. We believe (well I do anyway and most all Christians I know do as well) that ghosts are demons or angels on the earth. I personally feel like they are demons most of the time. Mind you, not every demon is going to come to you as something bad. They could be VEERYYY good when they want to. Satan is the king of liars. He isn't going to come to you as Satan but something great and fantastic. That's why God tells us to test the spirits. It really isn't a matter of them causing us pain or not, just a matter of us being lead AWAY from God.
Hope that helped!
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Posted: 11/8/2005 12:59:12 PM | SkeeterWidget... Your definitions confuse me. Maybe it is the way you are wording it. What reading and research have you been doing that would help me to better understand your assumptions here? Any links you can provide would be appreciated...
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Posted: 11/8/2005 7:27:28 PM | Re-reading something said earlier, this by Edward:
{"The emotions aren't so much left behind, but a link to their source is there and we stumble on that. There are links or communication lines between places we've been and us. We get feelings about others when they aren't here because we have communication lines to them."}
 I have feelings, like someone calls out to me.
This is generally just between myself and someone I am very close to.
This is ususally when they are emotionally upset.
I also send out thoughts that I wish someone would call - they do.
Ed continued to say, {"When people stumble on these they can pick up on them and feel the original emotion in a lessened form, but the source is the being themselves, not some echo that's lingering in the room. Is that clear? The room or grave isn't the source of the emotion. It merely contains the communication line or link to the being who provides the emotion (beneath their awareness level). When someone goes to Flanders and feels a chill at a WWI battle field, the emotions are actually provided by the guys that were killed and wounded there, in present time. Those emotions relate to the incident of trauma, and are the original emotions felt at the time by the person."}
The house I had with the ghosts... there was an old stone lined well under one edge of the house. It dates back to Indian wars in my area. The two ghosts I saw..I felt "military" about them. Although their hair was close cut like military today. The house is located on our
county map as Langston's camp. It was a base camp. I had to fill in the well (much to my dislike, as I love antiques & history preservation), because the well was drawing all the dirt under the house into it and it was pulling my house off it's support. I never personally saw or felt anything after filling in the well. Then, within a year I sold the house. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 9:05:52 PM | ASB...[quoThe Devil and Satan are one and the same.
Normally I agree with you. However Satan is a classification of Angel like a Cherub, or a Seriphum, there are many Satan's. Such as Lucifer, Beelzebub, Azazel, Symjaziel, ect.
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/8/2005 9:13:40 PM | ASB,
That's why God tells us to test the spirits.
In Matthew 4:7 Jesus says
"Again it is written, You shall not put the LORD your God to the test." How are we to know if we are testing Satan/demons/spirits or God. Satan is the supposed master of deception and may come to us as God...should we test if we think it is God or not ? How are we to know ? | |
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Posted: 11/8/2005 9:19:11 PM | Meh, could be right littletwin, I can agree with ya there. It's messed up. First he's an angel, then he's the devil... gets to ya!
j-roc- ya, I can see how some can get confused on that, but when we are told to test the spirits, he means the literal spirits around us that can be revealed...
1 John 4
Test the Spirits
1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
4You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 11/8/2005 9:31:46 PM |
In Matthew 4:7 Jesus says
"Again it is written, You shall not put the LORD your God to the test."
In that particular verse he was being tempted by Belzabub to preform miracles for the sake of just doing them. more or less being provoked by a bully so to speak. our lesson in this is to not give this type of situation the time of day. The devil was trying to get his goat so to speak. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 6/27/2006 11:51:38 PM | | ghosts creep me out, im only afraid of them if its night time and im alone. i do believe ghosts are real. not sure what they are or anything, but sometimes i feel like someone is watching me and i get all scared. | |
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| Ghosts, where do they fit into things
Posted: 12/1/2007 7:38:29 AM | | A ghost is mentioned in the Bible. Saul(king of Israel) went to the witch of Endor had her conjure up Samuel's(prophet) ghost. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 8:31:33 AM | From what I have learned (and experienced) some ghosts are people who either are saying goodbye (visitations a few days after death) Some people who are confused (don't accept they are dead yet... usually a violent or emotional death) there are some other manifestations... poltergeists are not really entities..they are the energy, usually from children at puberty, that escapes the body and causes havoc... the child isn't really aware of it, it's subconscious. The other type.. "hauntings" of places seem to be less a real ghost and more an imprint on the place itself. These are the sightings where the "ghost" does the same things over and over and doesn't respond to outside influences...say, walking a certain hallway for centuries. It's an energetic echo, or psychometric "recording" if you will. I think this is what psychics pick up on when they "see" events at emotionally(or violent) charged sites of crime.
From what I have read it seems that "time" has a different value without the physical body. Or no value at all.
The reports from people who have had NDE's is interesting.. especially in the cases of a violent "death". It seems the soul leaves the body seconds before the actual trauma... and a feeling of joy, and freedom ensues..a detachment from what is happening to the body... some report being able to look down at their bodies while resuscitation efforts are happening.. some have even been able, later, to describe such attempts in minute detail... who was there, what was said, etc...
There are also reports of people who have been able to "visit" others astrally while still alive, and there are instances where they were seen many hundreds of miles away by others. Sort of a "double"..maybe the "energetic" body.
There are also reports of a deceased family member appearing to someone to warn against a dangerous event.
It's fascinating, and I think the whole phenomena is not investigated seriously by qualified experts. Unfortunately a lot of the investigation is done by those who do not have the credentials to properly document and publish their findings.
This area really needs proper investigation...the only researchers I know of that has done some serious writing on it were Elizabeth Kubler-Ross and Arthur Ford.
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Posted: 12/1/2007 3:08:17 PM | There are different forms (all theories)....
Ghosts - thought to be spirits trapped. Reason? They don't know they are dead. Or they are scared to cross over due to something they might have done in their lives and they feel they might not be forgiven. Or, they just dont want to leave, they are too attached to a place, a thing, or even a person.
Spirits - thought to be those that have passed on, but have the ability to 'come back' Example, a loved one that passed away, but sometimes you can feel them around you, sitting on your bed, or even smell their perfumes.
Elementals - Ones that were never actually 'living' in the first place. It is thought they are born out of a 'feeling' or 'experince' - environmental factors.
Poltergeists - thought to be mischevious entities. Ones that seem to attach themselves to children, usually females going through puberty - because the confusing energies they are giving off at that time.
And I do agree this field needs PROPER investigations. Unfortunately everyone out there are proclaiming themselves to be investigators, just because they watch a popular tv show and think hey thats easy. And others - we have notices, are in it to get media attention. So many teams out there might have the equipment, but don't know how to use it properly, or don't know how to properly collect the data. They are hurting the field more than anything. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:57:37 AM |
By OP:
“Are they trapped between heaven and hell? Or what?”
If you mean they are human souls trapped between heaven and hell then… NO! I don’t think they are human souls at all!!! They are spirits (souls like entities) that comes to this world just like us. Those entities live longer than average humans and they are far too susceptible to devil and his ways. I think they come to this world as devil’s descendants. When a human child is born – one of those entities attaches itself to that human body/conscious and feeds devil’s point of view. When the human dies – these entities leave the body and but lives on for a couple of hundreds of years (the remainder of their lifespan) and then eventually they too die. I don’t believe the same entity can attach itself to another human baby because they are many in line for them as well.
When someone sees a ghost or claims of making contact – these are the entities they are making contact with IMO.
More on this in the thread called “Do you believe in ghosts” and the thread called “The Spirit world and spirits”.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:58:02 AM | From post By: queenrhiannon on 12/1/2007 6:08:17 PM
"And I do agree this field needs PROPER investigations. Unfortunately everyone out there are proclaiming themselves to be investigators, just because they watch a popular tv show and think hey thats easy. And others - we have notices, are in it to get media attention. So many teams out there might have the equipment, but don't know how to use it properly, or don't know how to properly collect the data. They are hurting the field more than anything."
Actually the world of spirits was explored extensively around 1860 by a very serious man named Hippolyte Léon Denizard Rivail, better known by the pen name of Allan Kardec. A synopsis of his life may be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Kardec.
His best known work after extensive research is called "The Spirit's Book" and may be found at http://www.spiritwritings.com/kardecspiritstoc.html
He wrote other books as well concerning spiritism which may be accessed at that site. He sought to explain to people, with help from the spirits, the worlds we will all experience at the end of our earth lives. Those who seek truth should explore the above links to add to your body of items for consideration. The book will take a while to read being over 400 pages long but I found it quite worthwhile. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 12:56:55 PM | The most I really know about the spiritist movement I learned from "The Encyclopaedia of Psychic Science" by Nandor Fodor (copyright 1966).. it was from that that I heard about Madame Blavatsky and the many famous mediums of the 19th and early 20th century. I will have to look and see if there is an entry on Allen Kardec. Give me a moment... okay..Allan Kardec
(paraphrased) The Father of French Spiritism - "Le Livre des Spirites" 1856 - based on trance communications received through Mlle. Celina Bequet, a professional somnambulist. Her revelations (automatic writings) spoke of the doctrine of reincarnation. The book (and it's twenty revisions) are considered the recognized textbook on spiritism in France. Allan was so dogmatic about reincarnation that he ignored instances of physical mediumship. He also wrote on the esoteric side of the Gospels under the title, "The Four Gospels" 1881.. a further development of Kardecs philosophy.
hmmm... something else to look into!
The Encyclopaedia is a marvel of references on the paranormal.. the bibliography on apparitions is over half a page long. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 4:09:43 PM | Garry - I know - I own some of those books and have since 15 years old. I was just pointing out there are people out there that just buy a digital camera, etc and go out and call themselves investigators when they don't have any clue what they are doing.
Different cultures have different explanations of what ghosts are. There are many theories out there, many classifications. A person with an interest and a camera - doesn't make a professional investigator. Its good when people are interested, but when they are gathering false data and presenting it as evidence, it **stardizes the field. | |
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