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Posted: 12/8/2008 9:40:34 AM | Yes, Beethoven's ninth is one of the best...Ode to Joy, Moonlight Sonata, Fur Elise,,all wonderful sonatas....I had a wonderful guitar player and organist that played them at my wedding.
Did not know some of Immortal Beloved was not true....would like to know more. Gary Oldman played such a great Beethoven.......
As far as Beethoven in the Clockwork Orange, I have not seem the movie in a long time....might be good to watch it again.....from what I remember, it was pretty good....Maybe that music was not the best choice..... | |
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Qamila
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Joined: 2/26/2008
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Posted: 12/9/2008 6:04:14 AM | They must have sounded beautifully on the organ at your wedding.
Yes, I agree. Gary was a beautiful Ludwig. I've always wished that I lived near him at that time and wondered what my perception of him would be. Just the fact that he was an outcast and disliked by most would have made me become his friend.
He was physically, mentally, emotionally abused by his father. I think that has so much to do with the development of his temperment and his music.
Karl was not Beethoven's son...he was his nephew. Although, he did fight for his custody, but that didn't work out. There is a letter he wrote to a woman he called, "immortal beloved," but there is no proof as to who she was. But just the fact that he did write that letter is enough for me! | |
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Posted: 12/9/2008 9:13:08 AM | "Karl was not Beethoven's son...he was his nephew"
I did hear that, now I remember...I read that on Wikipedia..thanks...still was a great movie and the scenery was wonderful..not to mention the music....I bought the soundtrack and also the movie....Do you think he was deaf because of the abuse of his father?? He was inspired by Mozart, no doubt.... | |
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Qamila
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Joined: 2/26/2008
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Posted: 12/9/2008 9:44:05 AM | I think his lead poisoning gradually made him deaf.
When he lays his head on the piano is the most beautiful and bittersweet moment...
Just imagine what it would have felt like to be in that room, seeing and listening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3olmA0xRvM | |
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Posted: 12/10/2008 2:02:32 AM | Most people don't know of the best film about Beethoven which was made in about 1937. It was called "Beethoven's Loves and Life". A French, black and white film with subtitles - it defined and depicted Beethoven like no other film since. Actually, in my opinion, both modern films about Beethoven as well as the one about Mozart are atrocities and an outrage of perverse misinformation and misrepresentation. Some of the acting was very good, especially in Amadeus although the movie itself makes me sick to my stomach when I see how people naively accept the portrait of Mozart "painted" by that role.
Classical Music is a language of emotion controlled and directed by the mind that very few truly understand much less speak. Fewer still have ever had something of meaning and of profound substance to say and yet, most have always tried to tare down the giants that have given us so much at such great expense to themselves!... If great music is the language of the Gods, then these that these that make its sweetest and most profound poetry are to be respected as prophets that they are.
By the way, I highly recommend the film I mentioned if you can find it. | |
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Diva77
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Joined: 10/31/2008
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Posted: 12/10/2008 9:54:29 AM | I was trained classically on the piano for many years. Did the Royal Conservatory program as well. I like classical, but find myself listening to more instrumental, or what some would call "new age" music ... but some of my favourite classical pieces to play are:
Claire De Lune - Debussy (Romantic era)
Four Seasons - Vivaldi
Toccatta and Fugue - Bach (especially on the organ)
Moonlight Sonata - Beethoven
Ave Maria - Schubert (spelling?)
Arrival of the Queen of Sheba - Handel
Definitely a few of my favourites. The cello, aside from piano, is by far my favourite instrument to listen to. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2008 11:00:58 AM | "Beethoven's Loves and life"..... 1937
thanks for that ....I did find it after doing a search and ordered it...I appreciate anything that brings more truth to the story of his life....And I too, love Debussy....Claire De Lune, is wonderful..... | |
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Posted: 12/10/2008 5:56:37 PM | I am so glad that I was able to share this film with more people! It is truly an inspiration although a sad one. Truth, lives beyond time and beyond what people call history, for there is very little truth in history.
Victors write history of not only countries, but great people too. How often do we hear about the anti-social character of Beethoven today? One would think that such ignorant tripe would be over by now.
The greatest "gifts" are for the select few that can appreciate and be grateful for them, not for all although they have the potential to transform anyone who is willing to hear, see and feel. Beethoven felt in his life that even though the world did not deserve his work, it was for the work itself and for these that could "hear" his music that he would continue living in the hell to create heaven around him.
That is what you will find in this film and in the truth about Beethoven.
I have an extra connection to his work as I am the sixth generation in a direct line of his students, but I felt a kinship to him spiritually long before I was honored to study with my teacher who was a student of Franz Liszt's student. I believe that any great musician can connect to any other great musician, poet, etc... beyond the limitations of time or space through the little black dots we see on the white page with 5 lines. | |
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Posted: 12/11/2008 10:39:18 AM | "That is what you will find in this film and in the truth about Beethoven"....
yes ....thanks again...
I am anxious to watch it...If you would like to know how I found it, you can email me....
I love the older films anyway, biographies, especially foreign and Independent....This will even better, because of who he is and the story behind him....
I appreciate all the knowledge and experience that you shared....... | |
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Posted: 12/11/2008 3:09:02 PM | I thought Beethoven was deaf through advanced syphilis.
Schubert died of it too I think.
I suppose they must have been irresistible to the ladies... | |
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Posted: 12/12/2008 9:51:26 AM | I think it's been pretty well established that Beethoven suffered from lead poisoning.
Isotopic assays of his hair, from two different laboratories, showed concentrations 100 times that of normal.
His symptoms (deafness, GI problems, irrational irritability) are consistent with heavy metal poisoning.
There was also a complete lack of mercury, which was the standard treatment for syphilis in his time. | |
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Qamila
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Joined: 2/26/2008
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Posted: 12/14/2008 12:00:53 AM | Diva77: There's nothing like sitting in a chapel at 3am and listening to someone play Bach's Tocatta and Fugue in dm on the organ. An exhilarating and blood-rushing experience!  | |
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Diva77
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Joined: 10/31/2008
Msg: 213 | |
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Posted: 12/14/2008 1:42:40 PM | | Ditto Qamila. I play the organ but have yet to find a good arrangement for the organ I play at the church. It is an amazing piece. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2008 4:08:58 AM | What most people refer to as Classical music is actually a jumble of different styles of western composition which have evolved over some 500 years. Probably the richest contribution of western culture is our music.
It's ironic that people who think they don't like classical music listen to it all the time and don't realize it. Popular music is rooted in and follows the same basic musical style that even Bach used. That is, a simple ABA compositional form and Tonic/Dominate chord progressions. Every Rock and Roll band in the world hardly dares to stray from the bedrock of a musical style which is centuries old. Yet each generation is convinced it is breaking new ground. | |
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Posted: 12/15/2008 1:19:05 PM | To the sexually addicted "historians"...
Brahms played at a brothel when he was a young man and for his lifetime resented the debasement of these women there, who enjoyed the beautiful music he shared and for whom he felt pitty and compassion.
He was one of the most noble of souls. Another great film that illustrates his life and character, is called "The Song of Love"... highly recommended!
As to Schubert, he died of a broken heart and Beethoven did get poisoned by lead.
"Casting pearls before swine" is a timeless experiance and is NOT recommended.... :-) | |
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Posted: 12/15/2008 1:21:27 PM | | The Toccata and Fugue has been very nicely transcribed and arranged by several great pianists as well. It is of course incomparable to the organ experience, but Cortot and Busoni did well for the piano. | |
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Qamila
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Joined: 2/26/2008
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Posted: 12/16/2008 8:10:56 AM | | I have to admit i do love classical music very much in spite of myself. I was brought up in a very working class home no classical music/ literature and i had a very negative opinion of it till about 15. now i adore classical music and shakespear is my fav writer... funny how we change isn't it? | |
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Diva77
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Joined: 10/31/2008
Msg: 219 | |
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Posted: 12/16/2008 11:41:34 AM | | nipoleon - as an instrumentalist artist, I may be offended by the comment you made... but... having been an organist and playing hymns and classical music dated back to the 1600 and 1700s - I totally understand what you are saying. Music is so different now compared to music composed then. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2008 3:18:16 AM | Bach, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, and Aaron Copeland are all lumped together as " Classical " music, yet their styles are very different and they span about 500 years of musical history and evolution. It would be interesting to find out if Indian or Japanese music has evolved stylistically over the centuries like western music has.
The Jazz oriented style which encompasses Rock and Roll, R&B, and Country/Western and we call Popular Music is more firmly rooted in the basic western classical style than most people realize. That is, in the structure of the composition itself.
Literally every Pop song follows a basic 4/4 time and simple 1-5-1 chord changes. There is only 1 example ( Yes, " Close to the Edge " ) that I know of, in which a Pop/Rock composition has dared to use 3/4 timing.
There is nothing stylistically in their compositions which The Beatles, Rolling Stones or even Nine Inch Nails do which Bach and Beethoven didn't already do hundreds of years ago, and more. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2008 7:40:15 AM | Classical music is my favourite type of music.Especially the piano pieces.
my favourite pieces are;
1) Liebestraum no 3 by Franz Liszt.
2) Waltz no 7 in C sharp minor (op 64 no 2) by Frederic Chopin.
3) Clair de lune by Claude Debussy.
4) Consolation no 3 by Franz Liszt.
5) "Tristesse" etude (op10 no3) by Frederic Chopin.
6) Piano concerto no 1 by Peter Tchaikovsky.
7) Etude op8 no12 by Alexander Scriabin.
8) Nocturne op72 no1 by Frederic Chopin.
9) Nocturne op9 no2 by Frederic Chopin.
10) Impromptu (op 90 n03) by Franz Schubert.
Enjoy!  | |
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Qamila
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Joined: 2/26/2008
Msg: 222 | |
| Classical music
Posted: 12/17/2008 2:26:28 PM | I completely agree with you nipoleon. I don't understand how I sometime hear someone say: ' Oh, I love Metallica, but I can't stand classical music.' It would be a waste of time to even start explaining that it was all done before... | |
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Posted: 12/17/2008 3:15:10 PM | | I love classical and opera. Mozart is my favorite out of all the composers, Puccini is my favorite composer when it comes to operas. | |
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Posted: 12/17/2008 3:17:26 PM |
As far as Beethoven in the Clockwork Orange, I have not seem the movie in a long time....might be good to watch it again.....from what I remember, it was pretty good....Maybe that music was not the best choice.....
That wasn't Beethoven, that was Beethoven in synth pop style. I found it freakish but it set the tone. | |
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| Does anyone else appreciate Classical music
Posted: 12/17/2008 9:22:46 PM | An absolutely WONDERFUL recent piece is Sketches From Pinehurst, by North Carolina composer Terry Mizesko.
Also.... if you want to hear one of THE most hauntingly beautiful pieces of music ever composed, track down Wagner's Prelude from Lohengrin. It will literally haunt your dreams!
And if you can find the Bernard Herrmann-conducted version of Erik Satie's Gymnopedies(On the London label, in their "Weekend Classics" series), buy it!! It is exquisite!!! | |
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