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Posted: 1/8/2007 8:21:03 AM |
So Jadyn07, when your messiah comes what will you be called then? Certainly not a Jew, right. If the Jews that believed Jesus was the Messiah can no longer be called Jews then you will no longer be a Jew when the "One" comes that you believe to be the Messiah. Especially if not accepted by the whole Jewish faith as a whole. Which would probably never happen.
...That didn't make a lot of sense. If the messiah comes, or Méleḫ ha-Mašíaḥ, it will be the beginning of a new age, the Messianic Age. Different sects of Judaism believe different things about the messiah. Some believe it will be a person, some believe it will just represent the new age. Either way, you don't seem very educated on the subject, so...if you're really interested, I could provide some links for you.
Now, I don't actually believe most of this stuff myself, but this is the Jewish belief I'm talking about here because that's the topic. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 8:25:23 AM |
I SAY
SEE ABOVE :) :)
I do understand what you're saying about the matriarch bloodline, I do. But when it comes to discussing the beliefs of Judaism as a religion, I have to disagree. You can be Jewish through your heritage, but if you practice another religion...you're not Jewish. Only by blood. They can't make you prove that you're practicing in Israel, or ask how often you go to temple...that would be hypocritical...so you prove it through your bloodline and that's great, I think. You can be in touch with that part of you and your heritage. I'm part Russian and English, but I don't drink a lot of Vodka, know what I mean? It's my heritage. But my culture, what I practice, is American.
This has been an ongoing debate at every Jewish seminar I've ever attended for years and years. No one will ever agree on it. But I will stand by my beliefs...Jews for Jesus=Christians. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 8:27:59 AM |
I don’t believe Moses would say anything to that notion. Hence, unless you can show some verse from your ultimate doctrine – this (if true at all) must be a manmade innovation or traditional cr*p. This, most likely had NOTHING to do with the real teachings of Moses.
Prove me wrong!
Then I can begin to say - Jewish people are following a religion that makes no sense to me. Why would a real God set such standards or restrictions to be a Jew?
Well if you're going to attack our BELIEF system...which is ridiculous by the way...I could say that I don't understand how people believe that a man was ressurected. It's just not what I believe. At least I respect others for their beliefs, though.
You also seem very uneducated in Jewish history. Moses isn't our God. Moses did not start Judaism. He was just a guy who led people through the desert, had God speak to him through a bush, parted a sea, and got some tablets. Why do you keep bringing him up as if he is the "leader of the Jews"? | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 9:20:34 AM | By Jadyn07:
“Well if you're going to attack our BELIEF system....”
First of all – I am not attacking your religion (belief system). If I am attacking anything – it is ignorance of people who try to pass traditional misconceptions as true religious teachings. To be precise - I am asking for evidence not attacking.
By Jadyn07:
“At least I respect others for their beliefs, though”
If your beliefs are contradictory to your religion’s true teachings – then at least have the courtesy to give your belief system a new name. Otherwise provide verses to prove what I asked the other poster.
By Jadyn07:
“You also seem very uneducated in Jewish history.”
To me – so do you. Provide those verses if there are any.
By Jadyn07:
“Moses isn't our God.”
Where did I say – Moses was your God??? 
Provide me a verse where G-O-D set those standards or restrictions to be a Jew. Provide me a verse where G-O-D said “Israeli Govt is the authority to decide who is a Jew and how… that is what I has asked the other poster.
By Jadyn07:
“Moses did not start Judaism. He was just a guy who led people through the desert, had God speak to him through a bush, parted a sea, and got some tablets. Why do you keep bringing him up as if he is the "leader of the Jews"?
I know he was NOT God. I don’t believe God would be stupid enough to come as a Human. I know Jesus was not God either. BUT Moses was just a guy??
Don’t you believe he was a prophet? That makes him more than just a guy. If you are Jew – don’t you consider yourself - a follower of the information (primarily) Moses provided? Don’t you believe in Mosaic Laws? Where do you think the “Mosaic law” came from??? Where do you think the name “Mosaic” – came from???
Anyway, Messianic Jew who maintains Moses teachings – is still a Jew IMO. Accepting a messiah (unless the messiah is false) doesn’t make them non-Jew.
Want to say they are not Jews – then prove they are breaking other Mosaic laws or prove the messiah was false. Otherwise they are legitimate Jews IMO.
Q: A Jew who accepts Jesus as a prophet but refuse to accept him as God or Son of God – what label should he have?
If someone says that Jesus was God – then I agree that – they are NOT followers of Moses’ teachings. Any messianic Jew who thinks Jesus was a deity – will disqualify as Moses’ follower IMO.
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Posted: 1/8/2007 9:40:58 AM | You can be Jewish through your heritage, but if you practice another religion...you're not Jewish.
WOW,.....all that sure stirred up the pot didn't it? ..... My my.....
I appreciate the intelligent and calm way you present your views JADYN..... but isn't the above statement a contradiction in a way?
Just curious...... So if I am a Jew by Heritage...... and I decide to practice Buddhism.....that automatically makes me a NON-JEW?.......
I truly feel that there is and does exist two distinct types of Jews in terms of RELIGION. (practicing and non)....... but we are all still inherentlyJews aren't we????.....
Don't we all come from the same tribe..... aren't we all still Jews (that is if you believe that whole crazy idea of the matriarchal bloodline thingy that I was soooo silly to mentionand bothered some people on here soooooo much...LOL
(Wow,...some posters get really RILED up on these forums huh?)......
Life as I see it,...is all about keeping an open mind and learning from others.....NOT ATTACKING ideas etc that you disagree with.......
I go in peace.... *grin*
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/8/2007 10:56:04 AM |
Soooo..... if you look at it that way....... it seems a Jew is a Jew is a Jew!.......are you? *wink*
This is the religious forum. You might want to assume we're discussing Jewishness, in that context. Technically, we're all humans, and, if you go back far enough, all part of the same family. The ethnicity bit is pointless.
Anyway, Messianic Jew who maintains Moses teachings – is still a Jew IMO. Accepting a messiah (unless the messiah is false) doesn’t make them non-Jew.
It's not the accepting a Messiah part, that makes them non-Jews, IMO. It's their belief in the Trinity, that does. Let's agree that all Jews believe in a Messiah....past, present, or future, doesn't matter. Judaism, however, does not believe that God is made up of three beings.
There is a difference between believing in a Messiah, and believing that the Messiah is God, itself. The Ebionites believed that Jesus was the Messiah, but was a man, as was Moses, or any other prophet. The Christian church called them Heretics. Mainstream Christianity demands that Jesus be God, not simply a Messiah. Hell...Muslims are closer to being Jews, than the Messianic Jews are.
Want to say they are not Jews – then prove they are breaking other Mosaic laws or prove the messiah was false. Otherwise they are legitimate Jews IMO.
OMG, have you read the Old Testament/Tanakh? The whole thing is about pushing the belief in the singularity of God. The Trinity is as much of a Heresy, to Jews, as non-Trinitarianism is to mainstream Christianity.
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| OK SHADOWDANCING ---Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/8/2007 11:39:18 AM | Oy Vey....here we go
(Just to let you know I've begun a new thread as this one is veering off into so many diff directions)
okay "shadow" you wrote:
<div class="quote">Talk about delusions!
You think Israeli govt is the authority to decide who is a real Jew???
And they just look at the mother to decide this??? Some more
And if that is the case then – all a messianic Jew needs to do to prove he is a Jew - is to show his maternal bloodline. Ha ha ha… Let’s forget about true religious teachings of Moses… shall we???
Regardless of maternal bloodline cr*p
First of all......a truly intelligent person avails themselves of ALL the info they can acquire ,....saying the maternal bloodline in ref to a person's Jewishness is cr*p only shows ignorance on your part...
Moses.....a good guy....yup....but uh....ever heard of ABRAHAM?????
Delusions?......ummmmmm did I say that the Israeli GOVERNMENT decides who is Jewish..... ?
NO...I mentioned the info they gave my brother, which of course is not something they made up as policy during some governmental meeting..*rolling eyes*.... it is policy based on,among other things,....tradition and (some believe) interpretation of the Torah....... Perhaps try asking questions instead of assuming?
OKay SHADOWDANCING....you say you want proof......quotes...... biblical back-up????
Here is a little to start you off.....
The Torah does not specifically state anywhere that matrilineal descent should be used; however, there are several passages in the Torah where it is understood that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man is a Jew, and several other passages where it is understood that the child of a non-Jewish woman and a Jewish man is not a Jew.
In Deuteronomy 7:1-5, in expressing the prohibition against intermarriage, G-d says "he [ie, the non-Jewish male spouse] will cause your child to turn away from Me and they will worship the gods of others." No such concern is expressed about the child of a non-Jewish female spouse. From this, we infer that the child of a non-Jewish male spouse is Jewish (and can therefore be turned away from Judaism), but the child of a non-Jewish female spouse is not Jewish (and therefore turning away is not an issue).
Leviticus 24:10 speaks of the son of an Israelite woman and an Egyptian man as being "among the community of Israel" (ie, a Jew).
On the other hand, in Ezra 10:2-3, the Jews returning to Israel vowed to put aside their non-Jewish wives and the children born to those wives. They could not have put aside those children if those children were Jews. Judaism 101
OK lets have fun and play nice now!
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Posted: 1/8/2007 11:46:26 AM | First of all......a truly intelligent person avails themselves of ALL the info they can acquire ,....saying the maternal bloodline in ref to a person's Jewishness is cr*p only shows ignorace on your part...
No, it shows ignorance, on your part. I asked you a question, in your other thread. DNA testing has shown that most Ashkenazi Jews have followed a paternal line, not a maternal one. Mothers can convert their religion...they can't convert their ethnicity, and then pass it down the line.
If I can become a Jew, then it is a religion, not an ethnicity.
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/8/2007 11:54:20 AM |
This is the religious forum. You might want to assume we're discussing Jewishness, in that context. Technically, we're all humans, and, if you go back far enough, all part of the same family. The ethnicity bit is pointless.
You don't see how it is intertwined?...... The bloodline of Jews is BOUND to come up in a forum where people are relaying their views/ideas/thoughts/information on whether or not A Jew is still a Jew if they are practicing another religion.......
Because there IS the issue of "ethnicity bit" as you put it,...how can it NOT be brought up?
And in terms of me assuming that the discussion is about religious Jewishness........ The Question was: Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ? --- So what,...because this is a religious forum,... G-d FORBID I might bring in the "ethnicity bit"..... ??????????
If you're Jewish by birth, then nothing can take that away. It is a biological fact.
Rabbi Aron Moss
Judaism 101
It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship.
Definitions of Jews on the Web:
• The word Jew (Hebrew: ?????) is used in a wide number of ways, but generally refers to a follower of the Jewish faith, a child of a Jewish mother, or someone of Jewish descent with a connection to Jewish culture or ethnicity and often a combination of these attributes. This article discusses the term as describing an ethnic group; for a consideration of the religion, please refer to Judaism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
• People who trace their descent from the biblical Israelites and who are united by the religion called Judaism. They are not a race; Jewish identity is a mixture of ethnic, national, and religious elements. An individual may become part of the Jewish people by conversion to Judaism; but a born Jew who rejects Judaism or adopts another religion does not entirely lose his or her Jewish identity.
www.embassy.org.nz/encycl/j2encyc.htm
• Originally, a Jew was a member of the state of Judah during the period of the division of Israel into two nations: Judah and Israel. It became a common reference from the 8th century BC Today it is used of adherents of the Jewish religion.
www.gbgm-umc.org/quakerroad/daleapolo/Dictionary4v1.html
• The people of Abraham. Jesus was a Jew.
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Posted: 1/8/2007 11:59:14 AM | I think we are all ignorant to some degree......for we all have a lack of knowledge and education in some form or another....... isn't that why we are here? to discuss,..debate and learn from each other?
Gee sorry I haven't had time to get back to the other thread yet........ give a girl a minute LOL
I really do have to get back to work....but I will be back!!!!.......
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/8/2007 12:43:25 PM | If you're Jewish by birth, then nothing can take that away. It is a biological fact.
In DNA, New Clues to Jewish Roots: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/14/science/social/14GENE.html?ex=1168405200&en=d680e28ebf100884&ei=5070
The women's identities, however, are a mystery, because, unlike the case with the men, their genetic signatures are not related to one another or to those of present-day Middle Eastern populations.
But unlike the other Jewish populations, it does not show signs of having had very few female founders. It is possible, Dr. Goldstein said, that the Ashkenazic community is a mosaic of separate populations formed the same way as the others.
It's like passing down a citizenship, not an ethnicity. Canadian is not an ethnicity. American is not an ethnicity. No matter how many times, the title is passed down. People can not convert their ethnicity, it's impossible. Gaining a Jewish "citizenship", requires a religious conversion. It's a religious citizenship.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/christjew.html
I should point out that there are Rabbinic and secular Jewish authorities who make one exception to this view, that is in the case of a Jew who not only abandons Judaism but actually accepts another religion upon himself. In such a situation, these authorities maintain, the individual forfeits his Jewish identity and membership in the community in favor of his having joined another faith and community.
As soon as you take a new religious citizenship, you will no longer be a Jew. This debate is all about religious views, nothing else. If Messianic Judaism is not Judaism, then they have given up their citizenships.
Ask Rabbi Lerner: http://judaism.about.com/library/3_askrabbi_c/bl_jewishidentity_names.htm
I hold this second position. I believe Judaism is a tradition, a faith, a religion, a daily and life-long system of beliefs and values that one needs to acquire. I also believe, above all, that Judaism is not a race nor is it racist. There is no such item as "Jewish blood," especially after Hitler and the Third Reich.
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/8/2007 1:48:28 PM |
I am asking for evidence not attacking.
This is religion. There is no "evidence" in religion. Is the bible evidence? No. It was written by man. Verses prove NOTHING. And to be perfectly honest, I don't have any idea what you're talking about through most of this post, and I don't think you do either. Exactly what is it you're trying to prove or you want us to prove? You keep asking for verses (over and over), but I don't think anyone here knows what it is you're fishing for. Verses that say what? And verses written by whom?
Boy do you take yourself way too seriously. You continue to say "Moses's teachings" and "would Moses have wanted" as if Moses is the King of Jews. Moses was a leader, a prophet, a historian. I have never heard anyone refer to him so often in regards to Jewish teachings. He is a part of the Torah. Not all of it. I have never once heard of myself refered to as "Moses' follower". And I've been studying my religion for quite a long time.
Q: A Jew who accepts Jesus as a prophet but refuse to accept him as God or Son of God – what label should he have?
ALL Jews accept Jesus as a prophet. He was a JEWISH PROPHET. So to answer your question, I would call that person Jewish. Messianic Jews accept Jesus Christ as their savior and believe in his resurrection as the messiah....hence "Messianic". That is what makes them Christian. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 1:51:02 PM |
Just curious...... So if I am a Jew by Heritage...... and I decide to practice Buddhism.....that automatically makes me a NON-JEW?.......
If you decide to practice Buddhism and convert yourself into that religion, you're a Buddhist.
People forget an important fact...Judaism is a religion. It is my religion. I don't see it as a heritage, personally, but I was using that to discuss the whole...mother bloodline Israel thing. Either way, you can accept your religion or you can go another way. If someone is born into Christianity who chooses not to believe in God, what is that person? An atheist. Not a Christian, as they were born into. If a person was born Jewish, but chooses to believe in Jesus Christ as the messiah, what is that person? A Christian. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 1:52:49 PM |
Moses.....a good guy....yup....but uh....ever heard of ABRAHAM?????
EXACTLY! Thank you. I kept wondering why this person kept rambling on and on about Moses! I'm like...dude, is it Passover? I should stop eating this sourdough bread, then.... | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 5:55:55 PM | | It is important to realize that the word Jew refers not only to a person's religion, but to his race. When the Israeli government wants a person to prove he/she is Jewish, they are referring to race, not religion. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 6:33:01 PM | I have been stating from my first post – if every individual who calls himself a messianic Jew - also believe in Jesus’ deity (or the trinity concept) – THEN obviously he CANNOT be a Jew IMO. So, ask all those 47000 or so people and figure out if they believe in Jesus’ deity. If they say – they believe in “trinity” then I agree that they are not Jews; and then I would also agree that they should need a new name for their belief system (let it be Christianity or something else).
However, if someone believes that the messiah (savior or liberator) has already arrived but only believes in him as a prophet (not God) – then he is not automatically a non-Jew unless he believes in something else that contradicts with the Jewish ultimate doctrine. Just because certain so-called self-proclaimed Jews – believe that the “messiah” has not yet come – doesn’t make that a fact.
However, I don’t think all of those messianic Jews believe in the blood atonement and other aspects of Christianity. So, since most Christians (wrongfully IMO) believe in that concept – those Messianic Jews may have certain similar problems in thinking themselves as “Christians”. But, I agree that –this does not mean they can call themselves “Jews”. So, once again, I agree that – if they believe in Jesus’ deity – they should get a new name for themselves – because Judaism is based on a single God concept.
At Jadyn07 and thisizmyproile
Get your facts straight. You guys claim to be Jews but contradict with each other on very simple things (such as - “who is still a Jew”).
As an outsider – listening to your contradictory cr*p is not making anything clearer. I agree jadyn07 makes a little better sense but yet full of confusions IMO.
By thisizmyprofile
“The Torah does not specifically state anywhere that matrilineal descent should be used”
Exactly!!!!
So, let us outsmart the God … shall we??? Let us read between the lines.
I will get back regarding that verse later (give me a chance to check them).
BTW, if this turns out to me a worthy verse to read between the lines – then I might grow a lesser regard for this faith system. So, let us hope you are wrong!!!
Until then…
By Jadyno7:
“There is no "evidence" in religion.”
I don’t think – you understand what I was asking for. I was asking for verses from your primary doctrine to support your claim. In the light of any religious teachings – their ultimate doctrine – is their ultimate word. People’s own interpretation or conclusion can always be wrong. Traditional influence (falsehood) always plays a great part in creating misconception in every religion. I don’t believe Jewish God would say that - a maternal bloodline is a factor or the only factor in deciding who is Jewish. That would be reversed discrimination. Not to mention – also a crazy standard or guideline to determine someone’s religious standings!!!
By Jadyn07:
“ALL Jews accept Jesus as a prophet. He was a JEWISH PROPHET. So to answer your question, I would call that person Jewish. Messianic Jews accept Jesus Christ as their savior and believe in his resurrection as the messiah....hence "Messianic". That is what makes them Christian.”
So, you believe in Jesus as a prophet?
Do you speak for the entire Jewish population? Do all of them believe in Jesus to be a prophet? Maybe you are mistaken the words “prophet” with “rabbi”. But then again I don’t think many Jewish people even acknowledge the existence of the name Jesus as a prophet or even a Rabbi.
You are surely giving me bullsh*t info and just confusing me.  I better go to google and find real information because (IMO) no better informed Jewish people are coming in you and “thisizmyprofile’s” aid to explain the real thing.
By Jadyn07:
“If you decide to practice Buddhism and convert yourself into that religion, you're a Buddhist.”
I agree.
By Jadyn07:
“If a person was born Jewish, but chooses to believe in Jesus Christ as the messiah, what is that person? A Christian.”
From my first post here…
A messiah does not mean a Son of God nor does it mean a God. A messiah means a savior or liberator. A messenger or a prophet through their righteous words can achieve that task.
Unless we know how the world would have turned out - had Jesus was never sent – we won’t know how much peace he really brought to this world. If Jesus had never came (as even a messenger) - our whole history could have changed and all Christians could have been barbaric people with no faith and the world could have been a deadlier place. So, who knows – maybe Jesus did balance the peace in some way. BTW, it is also possible that his job is not yet finished. Certainly a real God has the power to send his messenger (Jesus) to finish what he/Jesus started. In that case, maybe peace is yet to come. In either case, the possibilities of Jesus being the so-called messiah – should not be ignored IMO.
So, if a person believes in Jesus or anyone else as a Messiah (liberator or prophet) BUT not a God – and still follows Jewish faith system - then that person can still be a Jewish. Because neither believing in a Messiah - nor believing in the messiah has already came and gone - is against Jewish teachings. Just because you don’t believe that the Messiah hasn’t come yet – doesn’t make it a “Jewish fact”. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 6:55:35 PM | ^^^
“Just because you don’t believe that the Messiah hasn’t come yet – doesn’t make it a “Jewish fact”.
What I meant was – Just because you believe the Messiah hasn’t come yet – doesn’t make it a “Jewish fact”.
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Posted: 1/8/2007 7:00:41 PM |
I don’t think – you understand what I was asking for. I was asking for verses from your primary doctrine to support your claim. In the light of any religious teachings – their ultimate doctrine – is their ultimate word. People’s own interpretation or conclusion can always be wrong. Traditional influence (falsehood) always plays a great part in creating misconception in every religion. I don’t believe Jewish God would say that - a maternal bloodline is a factor or the only factor in deciding who is Jewish. That would be reversed discrimination. Not to mention – also a crazy standard or guideline to determine someone’s religious standings!!!
Your problem is that you're arguing with two different people about what you think is the same thing and you're starting to confuse who said what. You're arguing with me and asking me for "evidence" (you said the word evidence, which is why I said there is no evidence in religion...there isn't...evidence is fact. religion is faith.) on things that I didn't say. So you keep going round and round and now it's just not worth my time. If you're really interested in this, go to the library. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 7:01:03 PM | It is important to realize that the word Jew refers not only to a person's religion, but to his race. When the Israeli government wants a person to prove he/she is Jewish, they are referring to race, not religion.
Judaism is not a race. The Israeli government doesn't believe it is, either...or else they would never have accepted the Ethiopian Jewish population. You cannot convert to a new race...it's absolutely 100% impossible.
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| Are Messianic Jewish people still Jewish ?
Posted: 1/8/2007 7:04:55 PM |
So, you believe in Jesus as a prophet?
Do you speak for the entire Jewish population? Do all of them believe in Jesus to be a prophet? Maybe you are mistaken the words “prophet” with “rabbi”. But then again I don’t think many Jewish people even acknowledge the existence of the name Jesus as a prophet or even a Rabbi.
You are surely giving me bullsh*t info and just confusing me. I better go to google and find real information because (IMO) no better informed Jewish people are coming in you and “thisizmyprofile’s” aid to explain the real thing.
Jesus. You're kidding me, right? Confusing "prophet" with "rabbi"??? You're attempting to be condescending and it's not working because honestly, you just sound uninformed.
Yes. Jesus was a prophet. A Jewish prophet. By ALL MEANS, look it up. Do you know what a prophet IS? Let me help:
1 : one who utters divinely inspired revelations: as a often capitalized : the writer of one of the prophetic books of the Bible b capitalized : one regarded by a group of followers as the final authoritative revealer of God's will
2 : one gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insight; especially : an inspired poet
Do you think that all Jewish people HATE Jesus or something? He was Jewish! He was a powerful man who influenced many people. He was spiritual. Of course we believe he was a prophet. What we do NOT believe is that he was resurrected as the messiah, and is the son of God.
You must think you're talking to a bunch of morons, or maybe perhaps you yourself did not know the difference. OBVIOUSLY you don't know a lot about Judaism...which is fine...but gets annoying when you try to argue about it and pretend you do. | |
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Posted: 1/8/2007 7:07:15 PM |
A messiah does not mean a Son of God nor does it mean a God.
In Jewish tradition, a messiah means, and I quote:
the expected king and deliverer of the Jews
Messianic Jews (the whole point of this post) DO believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the deliverer. Hence...NOT JEWISH. Maybe to you a messiah is a prophet, but in Jewish faith, a messiah is the deliverer. So if you're Jewish, you cannot believe that a messiah is just a prophet, and THEREFORE if you believe Jesus was the messiah, you are not Jewish.
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Posted: 1/8/2007 7:09:01 PM |
Judaism is not a race.
AGREED. And as a Jewish person, I think I have a say!
My race is caucasian.
My religion is Jewish.
My heritage is Russian/English.
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