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 DMT

Joined: 12/3/2004
Msg: 26
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/20/2004 4:38:10 PM
Yes, the Roman catholic church has been completely invalidated here, especially since so many people have come forward and disclosed that they were terrible abused by Priests etc. I believe that there are a number of lawsuits being launched around the world that could have the effect of taking some of the money back from the catholic mafia that they have been stealing and exploiting from people for so long. The main churches that are gaining popularity in the UK are the pentacostal evangelicals, which peddle very simplistic models to generally very needy people. I know that many of these people are so simple-minded about spirituality that they spend their time praying for consumer items that would allow the to flaunt their wealth extravagantly e.g. BMW's etc lol
 guitarman100

Joined: 8/25/2004
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Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/23/2004 4:29:06 PM
I took this from
beachcomerbob's forum
about
China Backs Iran Against The Great Satan
Posted: 12/22/2004 10:14:11 PM
Combine China's recent Iranian energy mega-deal with Vladimir Putin's new strategic
coalition, which includes nuclear-capable Brazil, and it rapidly becomes clear that
New York's "Fortress Americas" fallback initiative is already dead in the water

Copyright Joe Vialls, 22 December 2004 Back in November 1962 when President Kennedy forced the removal of Russian missiles from Cuba, very few Americans stopped to ponder whether, at some point in the distant future, the tiny island of Cuba would decide to exact revenge on the United States for this very public humiliation. Forty years ago it all seemed most unlikely, but today the wheel has turned full circle, and a little Fidel Castro payback appears to be just over the horizon.
Based on received intelligence, it seems likely that the Island of Cuba will soon be used as 'point man' in a grand plan to deny American warships and other vessels safe transit through the Gulf of Mexico. Quite apart from thoroughly humiliating New York and Washington, such a move will have a far more devastating effect if tankers are denied access to the southern American oil terminals. Without oil imported through its critical southern oil terminals, and also possibly facing denial of access to underwater oil reserves in the Gulf of Mexico, America will collapse in less than six months.
How this will be brought about is a long and sometimes complicated story, but bear with me and I will try to make the multi faceted components of this truly multinational operation as clear as I can, in a report normally limited to a mere 3,000 words. To do this we must first circle the globe, picking up seemingly random pieces of the operational jigsaw on the way, until the last piece slips neatly into place less than 200 miles south of Florida Keys.
As you may expect, there is really nothing random about the process at all - merely the understandable caution and strategic camouflage of a multinational coalition closing in on the most dangerous and brutal nation on Planet Earth since early in the 20th Century. During the last thirty years alone, America's Zionist controllers have ordered the calculated murder of more than six million innocents around the world, and the world is not prepared to tolerate another six million innocents being murdered by Zion during the next thirty years.
Much has happened during the past few months, so now we have to slip back in time in order to discover the intriguing answers to why Middle East LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) is now heading east rather than west; why Russia has forged an ironclad coalition with China, India and Brazil, and why the Zionists really want the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed El Baradei removed from office. Finally we will have to show the connections between these events and future mayhem in the Gulf of Mexico.
On 10 November 2004, the India Daily reported that, "Russian President Putin is taking a lead role in the most powerful coalition of regional and superpowers in the world. The coalition consists of India, China, Russia and Brazil. This will challenge the superpower supremacy of America." … "He [Putin] wants to establish a long-term Russian footprint in Latin America in order to expand Moscow's geopolitical influence in the region. Brazil is very open to the coalition concept where these large countries support each other in term of trade, economics, international politics and defense."
Just this single strategic move means that the new coalition embraces just over three quarters of the world's total population, eighty percent of its natural resources, and a majority of technical and scientific experts. Nor does it end there, because the coalition automatically includes the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which is presently comprised of China, Russia, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan. Dangerously for America, the coalition will soon have another important member, Iran, currently due to enter informally in a few months time through the SCO "back door" because of a mammoth energy deal. We will return to Iran shortly.
Obviously from the Zionist perspective, the most disturbing new member of the coalition is Brazil, because New York has long believed and insisted that the whole of Central and South America is under its personal "protection", which is just another way of claiming that Zionists can pillage the place whenever they want to, proved by countless CIA atrocities in almost every American country south of Puerto Rica. Now then, what would happen to this cozy pillaging arrangement if Russia-friendly coalition partner Brazil decided to develop nuclear weapons?
On 16 November 2004, just six days after Vladimir Putin formally introduced Brazil as a member of the new coalition, IAEA inspectors from Geneva visited Rio de Janeiro. Just eight days later on 24 November 2004, Brazilian Energy Minister Eduardo Campos announced that the IAEA had issued Brazil with a permit to commence the experimental stage of uranium enrichment.
Paranoia immediately swept down Wall Street at the speed of light, and within hours the White House was pathetically whining that IAEA chief Mohamed El Baradei should be removed from office. Dark hints by the New York Times that El Baradei had "not been doing enough in Iran", were just a hasty smoke screen. For many years the Zionists had a fallback plan in case global conquest became impossible. Code-named "Fortress Americas", the plan relied on the USA being able to conquer both Canada and South America, thereby building themselves an impregnable redoubt in the Western Hemisphere, to provide cover while rebuilding their strength. I wrote two long reports on this top-secret plan, which are linked at the bottom of this page for those who wish to study the details.
With Brazil now a full coalition partner with Russia and China, "Fortress Americas" was already doomed to failure, especially because Vladimir Putin had been economical with the truth when he named the coalition members. Venezuela had already signed up in secret, but this was kept under wraps for fear of alerting the CIA to what was to come next. As most readers know, Venezuela has massive oil reserves that America relies on heavily, and premature exposure might have led to rash military action against the country, in order to seize the Venezuelan oilfields in the sacred name of "American National Security".
In its normal crude way, the CIA had already given advance warning of this intent by planning to shoot down Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's aircraft in late September, when he was en route to address the United Nations in New York. Fortunately for Chavez and his country, Venezuelan Intelligence received advance warning and blocked the President's flight. The CIA shoot-down was to be followed 14 hours later by "phase 2", an attack on the Presidential barracks while the country was still in shock about President Chavez's 'accidental death', thus capturing Venezuelan oil and handing it to America on a plate.
Of course the CIA should have cancelled "Phase 2" the minute it knew that the Presidential aircraft had not taken off from Caracas for New York, but sadly the CIA planners forgot, and the Presidential barracks attack force was swiftly overwhelmed by a very alert Venezuelan military. Needless to say, "Phase 2" proved that "Phase 1" was very real and accurate intelligence, in turn proving that the Zionists had yet again ordered the murder of a head of state for monetary gain, a long standing tradition on Wall Street.
Within days Russia 'agreed' to provide Venezuela with fifty Mig 29 fighters, because it was obvious that Wall Street would try again later if a deterrent was not put in place, and Chavez could hardly rely on America to send spare parts for his fleet of aging F-16s. New York was furious of course, but could hardly do anything about it. And besides, what harm could 50 Mig interceptors a thousand miles away do to America? New York had made the fatal error of assuming that the Migs in question were being delivered exclusively to protect Venezuela against American bombers or troop transports.
In fact, all fifty aircraft are Mig 29 SMTs, the very latest in Russian technology with enhanced attack payload capacity and a Plasma Stealth System. Hardly the aircraft one would choose for a Red Baron dogfight at 15,000 feet, now is it? All Venezuelan Mig 29 SMTs are painted dark blue, which may be part of the stealth system, but more commonly denotes that the aircraft will be used for low level attacks over water. When nosey European diplomatic officials asked Venezuelan Air Force generals why they needed such sophisticated aircraft, the generals responded "To protect the Panama Canal". When asked against whom, the air chiefs wouldn't specify.
What absolutely no one outside Russia and Venezuela knew until two weeks ago, is that 20 of the fifty Mig 29 SMTs are fully equipped to carry and fire the devastating SS-N-25 [and now SS-N-26] "Onyx", a devastating and completely unstoppable Mach 2.9 ramjet anti-ship cruise missile which skims the waves at twenty feet, before delivering a knock out blow to its maritime target more than 200 kilometers away.
So great is the kinetic energy at the point of impact on the target, that Onyx can sink an American aircraft carrier or supertanker using only a conventional penetrating warhead. Those scientists who might doubt this should calculate the impact energy of 5,500 pounds of missile striking a carrier or tanker at a terminal velocity of 2,460 feet per second. It is understood that Russia is providing Venezuela with a stockpile of forty anti-ship Onyx missiles.
Concurrently on the other side of the world, more pieces of the strategic jigsaw were falling into place, and on 2 December 2004 the Asia Times published "China Rocks the Geopolitical Boat with Iran Oil Deal", which is probably one of the top stories of the century, but it was not repeated by the Australian media. Heck no, because this was utterly devastating news for the energy-hungry west, and thus not fit for public exposure:-
"A mere two months ago, the news of a China-Kazakhstan pipeline agreement, worth US$3.5 billion, raised some eyebrows in the world press, some hinting that China's economic foreign policy may be on the verge of a new leap forward. A clue to the fact that such anticipation may have totally understated the case was last week's signing of a mega-gas deal between Beijing and Tehran worth $100 billion. Billed as the "deal of the century" by various commentators, this agreement is likely to increase by another $50 to $100 billion, bringing the total close to $200 billion, when a similar oil agreement, currently being negotiated, is inked not too far from now.
"The gas deal entails the annual export of some 10 million tons of Iranian liquefied natural gas (LNG) for a 25-year period, as well as the participation, by China's state oil company, in such projects as exploration and drilling, petrochemical and gas industries, pipelines, services and the like. The export of LNG requires special cargo ships, however, and Iran is currently investing several billion dollars adding to its small LNG-equipped fleet."
Though America officially refers to Iran as part of the "Axis of Evil", this does not stop it importing very large quantities of Iranian LNG through third parties. Now all that will come to a grinding halt, because Iran must naturally focus exclusively on filling its mammoth Chinese commitments. Thus on 2 December 2004, the block on external energy supplies to America started in earnest.
At the same time, Iran effectively came under China's protection, because any American attack on Iran will impact directly on Chinese National Security by severing its energy resources. It is but a small step for Iran from there to full membership of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), and overall protection by the Russian-Chinese Axis.
There is a curious oriental twist here, because the mammoth Iranian LNG contract with China will also have a major negative impact on "Coalition of the Willing" partner Australia. Back in 2002 there was a huge fanfare when the Australian Government trumpeted news of an annual 3.3 million ton LNG export deal to China, due to commence in 2006 and last for 25 years. Does this sound familiar?
Unfortunately for Australia, the Iranian-Chinese deal was effective the day it was signed in late November 2004, and both countries have admitted that between them they will need to build another 87 LNG tankers just to keep up with their initial supply from the huge Iranian Pars gas field. In the view of this author, the Chinese will default on the Australian deal, which is probably a suitable punishment for the obsequious cretins in Canberra who agreed to "help" the Zionists in Iraq.
America is already desperately short of energy, and it can only get worse. Iraq is producing nothing at all as usual, and the Republican Guard will ensure it stays that way. OPEC will slow down production in January because it actually has to. If the OPEC countries keep pumping at their present outrageous rates to please America, they will eventually destroy their own economies by terminally damaging their producing wells. This leaves the largest single oil producer in the world, Russia, to increase or decrease world oil production to suit its own (or its new coalition's) global agenda.
The New Russia-China-India-Brazil coalition really means business, and it would be wise to remember that after reforms at the United Nations, all four will have permanent seats on the Security Council. But that is after the likely confrontation in the Gulf of Mexico, designed to either make America withdraw completely from the rest of the world and become relatively poor, or face devastating and total economic ruin. It has been suggested to me that the choice will probably be left to the American people, if they can terminate a few dozen Zionists fast enough.
Despite Venezuelan claims that they want to use the Mig 29 SMTs to protect the Panama Canal (which is true to a certain extent), their most obvious use initially appears to be that of defending Venezuela against an American aircraft carrier strike on Caracas, or elsewhere in the country. Yes they can do that, because any U.S. carrier getting close enough to launch its aircraft against Venezuela, can in turn be sunk very swiftly indeed by one or two of the lethal and unstoppable Onyx missiles. However, this would not stop a strike by long range ALCMs dropped by B-52 bombers, another cowardly Zionist weapon of mass destruction. What then?
This is where the really clever bit comes in. Russia has arranged for the Venezuelan pilots to receive their advanced Mig 29 training in Cuba, which already has six earlier version of the aircraft. So the Cuban instructors are well up to the job, but don't have the latest Mig 29 SMT model that the Venezuelan Air Force has. Well, not until next week anyway. Russia is donating four [Onyx equipped] Mig 29 SMTs to Cuba free of charge, for use in training the Venezuelan pilots and then to add to their own inventory. Agreement has also been reached for joint exercises in the future, using Cuban airspace.
All of a sudden, America will be facing the same deadly threat it faced when arguing with China about the future of Taiwan. Basically, China demonstrated the awesome accuracy and power of its SS-N-22 Sunburn and SS-N-25 onyx missiles against moving unmanned maritime targets, and the U.S. Fleet swiftly withdrew.
So how is the U.S. Navy going to feel when every dark blue Mig 29 SMT flying off a dirt strip in Cuba (yes, they can do that), is possibly carrying an Onyx missile capable of sinking any American ship within a tactical radius of 600 miles?
It seems beyond doubt that the main message will get through, i.e. that if America dares to attack Venezuela or even little Cuba, every supertanker approaching the American southern oil terminals through the Gulf of Mexico, will be sunk by an invisible Mach 2.9 missile exploding in a white fireball.
Worse still, there is the possibility that some of America's offshore oil platforms in the Gulf might also be destroyed, causing savage blowouts that will burn for ten years or more.
There will be those who read this report with cynicism, sneering as always that no one would dare do this to the "only remaining superpower on earth". You think not? Yesterday morning Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez flew to Beijing, where Chinese officials have said he will be on an official visit extending until Monday 27 December, a total of five days straight. Evidently the Chinese regard President Chavez as a very important Head of State, which is hardly surprising when you understand the reason for his visit.
Until the Zionists tried to murder him back in September, Chavez was reasonably happy supplying America with 2.7 million barrels of oil per day, which is about 80% of Venezuela's total production. The attempt on his life was one giant step too far though, so Chavez is now in Beijing negotiating to sell the entire 2.7 million barrels per day to China instead.
 FictionWriter901

Joined: 12/13/2004
Msg: 28
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/23/2004 5:15:27 PM
Nate: just some food for thought on the topic of lightly armed, or unarmed, citizens rebelling against a vastly superior enemy in terms of weaponry, and you don't have to go far back in history for an example.

Mahatma Gandhi, India's leader, came up with a very innovative and ultimately successful way to defeat the British military: through a campaign of non-violent protests. The bullets from the soldiers' rifles were no match for the will of the people, and their leader, who wanted independence Britain and won it in 1947. Just because the other side is basically unarmed from a military standpoint doesn't mean that side is doomed. An idea combined with an unshakable resolution to bring it about, including laying one's life down for that cause in necessary, is stronger than any tank or missile ever will be. There are more examples of that being the case than just India.

Will we see a second American Revolution? Probably not in the near future, but then again, given the current state of affairs, who's to say? I wouldn't rule it out completely, and in some ways I would welcome it.
 Elwood Blues

Joined: 12/10/2004
Msg: 29
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/23/2004 5:18:53 PM
OUSU: you make EVERYTHING so darned complicated!!!

Why can't you just go along with the problem like Mike here!!!

:-)
 DMT

Joined: 12/3/2004
Msg: 30
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/23/2004 5:43:47 PM
Guitarman, thanks for putting a copy of the beachcomber's thread on here. It's such an important development. It would be good if Venezuela sell their oil to china. The US has been not only completely dependent on oil, but dependent on other peoples' oil for so long that it endangers the safety of every living creature on this little blue planet. The only way that the US can survive as a superpower is to overcome its oil addiction. All of those amazing inventions that do not require oil that have been supressed by those who sell oil products e.g. the water powered engine etc need to be allowed, mega-long-life bulbs etc need to be allowed to emerge so that we can be allowed to live in a sane way. The way that the 'elders' or 'owners' of the US conduct themselves at the moment are a bit like the old pre-columbus Potlatch thing. Tribal leaders out-do each other by destroying the productions of the previous season in great public parties. This is a way of leaders emphasising their power and importance. The trick is to get the other leaders to waste more than they can afford - like bluffing in poker. When our modern captains of industry and politicians do this is crazy and short-sighted as the damage on their environment and on human health is immeasurable. Basically these leaders are effectively sacrificing childen - just as the Aztecs did - but on a bigger scale.
 bowvalleymike

Joined: 12/16/2004
Msg: 31
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/23/2004 10:31:33 PM
DMT: Why doesn't this list of collapsed empires include the British Empire?
 bowvalleymike

Joined: 12/16/2004
Msg: 32
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/23/2004 10:33:10 PM
Especially since you put Russia on the list.I would not call Russia a collapsed empire.
 ousu

Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 33
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/24/2004 12:29:29 AM
Elwood says: "OUSU: you make EVERYTHING so darned complicated!!!

Why can't you just go along with the problem like Mike here!!!"


- Do I? :O Ups, sorry... I try to change my bad habits :p Though I am more convinced there is no a single issue without it to be linked with the others... C, politics, religion, gay marriages, pro abortion... it all seems to go onwards with the same arguments :p
 ousu

Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 34
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/24/2004 12:33:40 AM
Mike: Ah, yes... British empire could be there as well. How about Spain? German has been powerful also, as well Austria-Hungary. Maybe the time period is criteria?
But Russia for sure needs to stay listed, Mike. Zar's Russia and USSR (having control on Eastern European countries like Poland, Czech, etc.). If you compare both of those to what Russia is now there is a huge difference.
 DMT

Joined: 12/3/2004
Msg: 35
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/24/2004 5:23:09 AM

DMT: Why doesn't this list of collapsed empires include the British Empire?


That's a very good point Mike. I seem to recall mentioning something about the fragmentation of the British Empire elsewhere. However, I must admit that I intended to question to have something of a trick in it. You see I think neocolonialism and cybercolonialism have replaced empires. And Emperors have been replaced by major shareholders, executive directors and chairmen of giant faceless corporations. Those who want to shore up and control the people of the world needn't now built great armies and attack other empires, they just need take new technology and new markets to the third world and then be paid to exploit and underdevelop that region. A few complicit elites in each area become a little richer, and the poorest become poorer - perhaps getting jobs cleaning or filling vending machines, while the investors can sit in their luxory penhouses in New York or London convincing themselves that they are enabling progress. Actually what they are doing is undermining the cultures of the world and robbing them of energy, tradition, time, money and natural resources.

So while it might be argued that the British Empire is almost dead - we only have a few little colonies left - British neocolonialists are carrying on their work of undermining and robbing the most impoverished people of the world. As are American neocolonialists. You could see the boards of some of these huge corporations as viking chiefdoms working out how best to pillage, plunder and rape the rest of the world. As someone said a few weeks back - at least the vikings had the good sense to give up their plundering and get into the self-assembly furniture business.
 DMT

Joined: 12/3/2004
Msg: 36
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/24/2004 5:27:32 AM
As for Russia - surely it could be seen as an Empire when it took control of all of the surrounding countries and managed them centrally from Moscow?

As for now it is disintegrating and the divide between the wealthiest and poorest is growing by the moment. Now there are quite a number of corrupt russians or gangsters who have used money to worm their way into the boards of large multinational corporations. They are flaunting incredible amounts of money and they can go anywhere in the world, while the bulk of russians with PhDs are lucky to get any job.
 guitarman100

Joined: 8/25/2004
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Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/24/2004 6:33:29 PM
Well if China becomes the super power
we will have to watch Chinese game shows.................kill me now ...........LOL

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 Elwood Blues

Joined: 12/10/2004
Msg: 38
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/24/2004 9:26:45 PM
My bad OUSU; I was trying to be comical. You consistently bring up very important points. I always read your posts with great attention... and usually agree!
 bowvalleymike

Joined: 12/16/2004
Msg: 39
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/24/2004 9:50:04 PM
DMT The only reason I said, " Why not the British Empire " was just to be a smart aleck 'cause you're British, but your answer was very interesting.
 bowvalleymike

Joined: 12/16/2004
Msg: 40
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/24/2004 9:53:01 PM
OUSU Why is your picture so blurry? could you post a clearer one?
 DMT

Joined: 12/3/2004
Msg: 41
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/25/2004 6:59:28 AM
Mike, Ouso is as clear as day, it is your vision that is blurry...must be all the shrry in the christmas pudding.
 ousu

Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 42
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Posted: 12/25/2004 7:12:25 AM
LOL Thanks, dtm :p
@Mike: here it does not matter how I look like :) I make my "fishing" in real :p and in Europe :p - But see the nice missile picture on my profile :))))
@Guitarman: Hi for a long time :)
I bet China will be a superpower and you might even need to watch those shows :p In fact listening Chinese telling about their life it sounds the country starts to be more and more capistalist than many of European countries. E.g. officially education is free, in practise it is not anymore. Also the limitations for famíly size are not that strict anymore: if the parents are from one-child-families or economically doing well they are allowed to make more than one child... The world is really changing :D
@Elwood: Heh, one needs to be careful with me and my comments. I might think I am saying one thing, and in fact I am saying something totally different. The bloody language barrier.
 DMT

Joined: 12/3/2004
Msg: 43
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/25/2004 5:35:53 PM

British empire could be there as well. How about Spain? German has been powerful also, as well Austria-Hungary.


Good point. It is interesitng how Spain has gone from huge dominant empire to peasant subsistence and now to wealthy tourist trap in a short time. I guess as least if the US empire building falls flat, at least the people with have their nice white teeth and sickly sweet service culture to be able to attract a few rich arabs, japanese and chinese to florida for holidays and to new york for shopping.
 ousu

Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 44
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Posted: 12/26/2004 1:15:08 AM
So maybe a Swedish clairvoyant was right. He had said that the US will be divided in several states in... hmmm... about 30 years - if I remember it correctly.
Another idea has been that European Union is a "sign" for the next World War since before the WWs there has been important pacts (alliances) on economical field :p Heh, and another "rumour" was that when Germany is part of something it will for sure mean a war later on. - Nice speculation :)

I believe in what DMT was saying about life cycle. Phenomena lives its own time, go through changes and becomes something else when it is not viable anymore.
 DMT

Joined: 12/3/2004
Msg: 45
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/26/2004 5:15:17 AM
Seasons greetings Ousu x.

I'd very very interested to hear more about the Swedish psychic. Is it on-line or was it somebody you met?
 ousu

Joined: 8/28/2004
Msg: 46
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Posted: 12/26/2004 5:43:43 AM
Dmt, Season Greetings to you, too, Dmt...
I will ask about the Swedish one... I heard about this from a bit odd direction :p From a Russian nuclear scientist LOL But it was said the Swedish one is just somebody who has been making "good guesses" about what will happen... so no scientist background :)
 DMT

Joined: 12/3/2004
Msg: 47
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/26/2004 10:53:39 AM

Democracy is not a great form of government, in that it has some very very strong limitations, combine those limitations with a beuracracy and you have a slow painful death. Demorcracy is only viable as an inverse law to the speed and availabity of unbiased communications. As such, the growth of a democracy can only go so far until it fails of its own weight


I took the liberty of copying some words of Dragon from a thread about democracy. It seems relavent. It seems important for us to understand what is happening within the US now as well as in parts of Europe. We have moved from budding liberatory democracies to paranoid fortreses is a very short time. In fact one would convincingly argue that any like true democracy only occured for a few decades in either britian or the US. It wasn't long ago since women and ethnic minorities were excluded from voting...and now given the power of large corporations is is becoming clear that the vast majority of people are excluded from important decisions.

In my opinion democracy in the US and Europe can be pictures as a young child learning to walk - just as it stumbles to its feet it is being devoured by a monstrous, greedy, bloated serpent. The monster then tries to convince us that IT is democracy but only the most stupid will fall for that.
 DMT

Joined: 12/3/2004
Msg: 48
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 12/26/2004 10:56:49 AM
sorry take 2...that bowl of trifle has obviously kicked in: I meant something like -

In fact one would convincingly argue that anything like true democracy only occured for a few decades in either britian or the US. It wasn't long ago since women and ethnic minorities were excluded from voting...and now, given the power of large corporations, it is becoming clear that the vast majority of people are excluded from important decisions.

In my opinion, democracy in the US and Europe can be pictured as a young child learning to walk - just as it stumbles to its feet it is being devoured by a monstrous, greedy, bloated serpent. The monster then tries to convince us that IT is democracy, but only the most stupid will fall for that.
 Nick Thinker

Joined: 2/10/2007
Msg: 49
Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 3/19/2007 3:52:51 PM
Greece was about as hedonistic as you get


And philosophical. And (Ancient Greece) left its mark on humankind and still does today with its cultural output.

Greece is still hedonistic and quite philosophical in 2007!!!!!

Empires. like products, have their lifecycle. Britain has to come to grips with the loss of its "superpower" status since WWII. The US? It still has some "Empire/Superpower" energy left. How much? That is a very interesting topic, worth reviving from 2004, still "current". Why was it current in 2004, btw?

Let us not forget that the US has been a military and economic superpower for less than 100 years. So it may have much time left in the "superpower" lifecycle!
 Uptowner

Joined: 2/1/2007
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Aztecs, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Russia, the US...a pattern?
Posted: 3/19/2007 4:27:03 PM
A little surprised that so little attention has been paid to the technological advance that would skew your data. The Aztecs, Egyptians, Greeks, Ottomans, Habsburgs, and Romans did not have the ability to destroy the world with their nuclear weapons. Before the US empire collapsed they would take the world with them. The Rooskies didn't have the guts to do the job. The US will drop a nuclear bomb on your head.
And tell you they did it for your own good.
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