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 FaithfulRon

Joined: 6/17/2005
Msg: 76
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/26/2005 11:19:59 PM
NO! But being with someone long term is!
 Blastkist

Joined: 5/28/2005
Msg: 77
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 11:07:45 AM
I often think that marriage is sort of like a settling contract that some individuals make because they don't like to be single. I disagree with this practice. Being a single mother, I ultimately would like to cultivate a family based relationship as well as have my spiritual, emotional and physical needs met by someone who cherishes me as his own counterpart. I want to be part of something larger than me and to have a commitment that shows growth and promise.

I think marriage offers a sense of belonging with someone...and life can definitely throw curve balls and make it very difficult to bare. There are some things that we simply cannot tolerate.

I don't know why any woman would want to "use" a man to get ahead in life. I also think it would be foolish to assume that we don't base our commitments on a contract where we make the decision to help each other to grow...in all ways.

I married to feel a sense of belonging and security. I also married based on a promise of love that was not delivered. I think everyone had good intentions but I didn't have the hindsight to help me see that it would end up being very painful for me to stay. And so twice I had to leave for my own sanity.

I've always been the marrying kind. I believe in a lifetime commitment with the man I love but I think I may not have had the healthy idea of what love was, I didn't love myself very much. I tolerated abuse on many levels because I was accustomed to it.

We live, we learn, we marry, we divorce, but do we grow? I know I certainly have and they have just as much opportunity at sharing and finding love as I do now...there are no losers if we play fair. I believe in playing fair.

Men aren't meant to be taken financially but cheaters are cheaters, and I'm not talking just fidelity issues...I'm talking about cheating in all aspects. There will always be people out there who can take advantage of others and have no qualms about it...it's to get to know them long enough to see it. Then I think you are ready..lessons learned, you move on with wisdom hopefully.
 trvlingman

Joined: 6/11/2005
Msg: 78
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Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 11:10:19 AM
marriage is worth it.
but only once.
once your married it shouldnt be about me or you it,s about us. 2 people who become one.

I think most of society has lost that view I,m afraid.
 Goddard

Joined: 2/17/2005
Msg: 79
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 11:53:09 AM
I'm not planning to marry. I've worked too hard to get everything I have, to risk being sent to the cleaners by an angel face, devil heart gold-digger.

Nowadays, with the laws so stacked against the man, marriage is simply too dangerous.
 bitemywhat

Joined: 4/16/2005
Msg: 80
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Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 11:56:28 AM
Meh, been there done the marriage thing, imho as it stands right now, its just a piece of paper to give someone the legal right to your last name(as a guy) and half of everything you own, etc etc, the relationship can be just as good without that little piece of paper, sometime in the future i might change my mind, but right now no, what do i need that piece of paper for? and yes i am female
 Blastkist

Joined: 5/28/2005
Msg: 81
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 1:07:20 PM
Prenuptual agreements gentlemen...if she won't do it, she ain't in it for you.
 Goddard

Joined: 2/17/2005
Msg: 82
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 2:10:32 PM
Prenups are routinely dismissed by the courts, so they are not protection whatsoever. The only safe way is to avoid not only marriage, but also living together (common law marriage). And there is some lawmakers out there making noise that a guy should give economic compensation to a girlfriend by the time she spent with you.

I could say many things about the perils of marriage, but I think this piece may convey the message a lot better.


Marriage, Bubonic Plague, And Infected Warts: If You Have A
Choice, Go With The Warts

Fred Reed

If I could offer a young man one piece of sage advice, it would be this:

Don't get married.

Don't do it. Come the divorce, as come it probably will, the courts will systematically shear you of your children, your house, and huge amounts of your income for twenty years. Don't do it. It isn't worth it. Nothing is.

My saying this usually brings, from women, cries that I'm an extremist or woman-hater. No. The problem is not women, but the courts. Men can behave every bit as reprehensibly as women, though they go about it differently. But the judicial system, which is politicized to the gills, utterly favors women over men in divorce cases, without remorse, decency, or concern for children.

Should you doubt this, read, before you pop the most foolish of questions, From Courtship to Courthouse by the divorce lawyer Jed Abraham.*

Writes Abraham, "If you're like most men, you're married, or you hope to marry some day. You think you deserve to live happily ever after, but if things don't work out that way, you'll get a civilized divorce and move on. You'll stay pals with your ex, and you'll see your kids as often as you want. "You have no idea what you're getting into." And you don't. Not the faintest freaking clue. A few facts from Abraham:

"The odds are 50% that your marriage will end in divorce. The odds are 70% that your divorce will be filed by your wife. The odds are 80% that your wife will get custody of your children-plus child support, alimony, and/or a hefty chunk of your property."

That is how it is. Yes, I know: You don't think this applies to you. Cup Cake loves you. She would never behave in such a way. Think again. You have no conception of the hatred that divorce engenders. Men are callous; women are mean. When a family breaks up, when a life
dreamed of disappears in flames and emotions go limbic, women are not the kinder sex, and certainly not the more rational. And Cup Cake will have the absolute upper hand, with the full power of the state to help her express her dissatisfaction with you.

Abraham: "If your wages are not withheld and you fail to pay your child support, the State will garnish your pay, slap liens on your property, intercept your tax refunds, report you to credit agencies, discontinue your driver's license, suspend your professional and business permits, hold you in contempt of court, put your face on a wanted poster, throw you in jail, and deny you food stamps. But if your ex doesn't spend that very same support on the children, the State will do. . . nothing."

It gets worse. There is, for example, "imputed income." This means that your child support will be based not on what your children need, not on what you earn, but on what the court decides you could earn.

Don't do it.

If you love Cup Cake, live with her. Be kind to her. Be loyal to her. She may be as nice as you think she is: Many women are. Buy her roses. Just don't marry her, or have children with her. If the laws were even-handed, marriage would be an admirable institution. The laws aren't equal.

But it's the kids she'll use, should things get nasty, to tear your guts out. If you're sure that Cup Cake won't do this, you're crazy. True, she may not. Not all women do, or not to the same degree. But you won't know until it's too late. And the courts will do anything she wants.

Abraham: "Your ex will warm to calling all the shots. She may cancel your visitation now and then. If she's truly mean-spirited, she'll go much further. Under the cover of her court-appointed role as sole custodian, she'll systematically sever your relationship with the children. She'll badmouth you to them. She'll schedule their extracurricular activities during your visitation time. For good measure, she may accuse you of domestic violence and child abuse."

Think "joint custody" is the answer? The courts won't enforce it. What are you going to do-sue Mommy? The kids will hate you for it. Do you believe in pre-nups? The courts ignore them. Read Abraham. It's all there.

Then, says Abraham, there's the killer: "More efficiently, your ex may simply move with the children to a distant community, with the law's acquiescence."

Kids are the crunch, guys. They hurt. And she will know it, and use it. The courts will help her. At bottom, the position of the courts is that the children are her property, like furniture. Judges don't care about you at all.

Ever drive away from what used to be your home, with your daughter of four streaking across the parking lot, yelling, "Daddy! Daddy! Please come back!"-and you can't? Ever have your little girl of four say, "Daddy, can I get my birthday present early?" "Why, Pumpkin?" "Well. . . after the divorce we might move, and I won't see you again."

That's what you are in for, guys. Don't do it. You'll be suicidally depressed, miss your kids to the point of desperation, be almost frantic-and the courts will make sure you can do nothing about it. The ex will probably enjoy it. That's the reality. Don't believe it? Talk to men who have been there.

Why do women do these things? Not because they're evil. Cup Cake is probably a perfectly decent woman in her dealing with the rest of the earth. She'll do it because she hates you, which is the normal outcome of a divorce. She'll do it because she can. She's furious because the marriage didn't work, which will be entirely your fault.

And the law gives her every incentive: She will get the house, the kids, the child support-and she knows she will. If women knew they had an even chance of not getting custody, of having to pay child support, the divorce rate would drop like a prom dress and joint custody would suddenly mean joint custody. Women love their children as much as men do.

But that's not how it is. The courts encourage divorce, and they rape men. Get used to it.

Abraham: "The odds are it doesn't pay for you to marry and have kids."

That's a fact, guys. Think about it.
 checkingup

Joined: 6/25/2005
Msg: 83
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 4:33:06 PM
tangoperu, Everything you have? Not really trying to be mean, but sounds like all you have is a lot of stuff. Seems to me that thinking like you are, you are holding on to the many things your money has bought you, but missing out on life.
 Offmyrocker

Joined: 6/23/2005
Msg: 84
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 4:35:49 PM
Just to answer the subject question. Is it worth it? No.
 biziedizie

Joined: 2/26/2005
Msg: 85
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 4:39:57 PM
Nope! Been there, bought it all and handed her the keys......in the blink of an eye all vanished and that was that.
 bugsybears

Joined: 10/6/2004
Msg: 86
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 4:41:49 PM
yeah biz that happened to me too, but i'd still do it again. i guess i'm just a brute for punishment.
 Goddard

Joined: 2/17/2005
Msg: 87
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 4:47:03 PM

but missing out on life.

Perhaps you want to enlighten me about what exactly I'm missing.

You see, my decision of not marrying is not misogynist, or bitter, or woman-hating. It's simply a logical choice, after weighing all the factors that are important for me. Perhaps marriage will work for you, and you have my good wishes. But I've seen too many good guys being nailed by divorce, cuckolded, or turned into the typical doormat that what you say is (for me) like saying "you don't know what you are missing out by not playing Russian Roulette, after all, only 1 of the 6 chambers has a bullet".
 checkingup

Joined: 6/25/2005
Msg: 88
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 4:48:33 PM
biziedizie It is easy to feel that way, very easy. I have days when just the thought of marriage seems like the equal of a death sentence, then there are other days when I wish I could find that special someone that would love me without question and that we could get married and live happily ever after. Sort of sad to see you have given up.

I think marriage can work and that two people can be happy for a life time, if both want the same thing from the marriage.

My parents knew each other two weeks when they married and were together over 40 years, up until my dad passed away 6 years ago. They were like one person, a well oiled machine that never skipped a beat.

 tuffluv

Joined: 5/2/2005
Msg: 89
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 4:51:38 PM
Is marriage worth it?
It all depends on what the woman brings to the table. Some women are worth marrying. Some are not. The problem is not marriage--it's the divorce laws.

So it all boils down to a benefit to risk analysis. So ladies, you'd better be worth it!
 Blastkist

Joined: 5/28/2005
Msg: 90
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 4:54:14 PM
Is that all men ever care about? Their money? Most women work too, what about what they contribute to the marriage? What about washing and folding all HIS dirty underwear, changing diapers ad infinitum...housework that never ends...paying the bills, balancing the checque book...trying to have a social life of her own...nevermind that she can pretty much cough up her career as his is likely to take priority over hers because we still live in man's world and the wages are still in his favor.

What about the husband's who leave the wife at home with kids in tow, no job (because he wanted her home in the first place) and no money in her pocket??? He takes his new squeeze to Mexico so they can go bask in the sun and talk about the **** back home who just isn't fair anymore? Not even enough for food for the kids? Oh, you say, well that's just a big loser...well there are many more than you think.

I am so sick of hearing men squabble , b i t c h and whine about their money and how much they lost like they are the only ones who took a loss at all? It's just money for crying out loud and don't be so sure that if you hadn't insisted on her being home with the kids that she couldn't have earned her own keep. Truth is most women manage it without having gotten the gold mine he supposedly believes he is. Well, last time I checked, not too many single moms are laughing their heads off at how much they got out of the poor sap. Most are broker than broke can be and are waiting for daddy dearest to get home so she can get a break. Meanwhile he's out fishing with the guys.

This whole thing just isn't fair and it's highly one-sided. It's utter nonsense...gentlemen, if you aren't willing to put all of yourself in a marriage, including your petty income, then don't marry! And stop blaming women because the judge says that you owe her a life! You wanted dominance and control? You got it and everything that goes with it.

When I finish my schooling and make the money I earn, I won't be using it to get some guy to chase me. I won't be whining if he takes me to the cleaners when in fact he worked just as hard in the marriage as I did. Many men mention how much they make or how many toys they have! Why??? If that is all they can put out then what is a woman to do?


This is what I'm getting in my emails from the guys who are divorced out there...hi, I just got back from a nice weekend on the lake...how you doing sexy? Hi, I'm taking my kids to wonderland this weekend but just wanted to say hello before we left.

Mom is sitting at home making Kraft Dinner mac and cheese while she's trying to juggle the whole deal with her own two hands and bewildered mind, being both mom and dad while daddy's out fishing. Take it like a man and stop your whining....NO ONE WINS BIG IN DIVORCE...AND THAT INCLUDES THE WOMEN.

And tango: That article is from someone who is imbittered and resentful at the lot he had in life. It does not and cannot define everyone's experience and don't be so sure the wife is enjoying it when they kids are wanting daddy. She has to face that pain every day she looks in their eyes...your article is slanted and skewed in its view but I suspect you like to support your own claim.

How would you know anyway, have you ever been married? Walk the walk, and then you'll qualify to talk the talk.
 biziedizie

Joined: 2/26/2005
Msg: 91
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 4:58:38 PM
checkingup I never said I was giving up I just said that I would never marry again. And yes I'm looking for that special person that can make my heart skip a beat. I think it will happen one day.......
 checkingup

Joined: 6/25/2005
Msg: 92
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 5:03:47 PM
biziedizie, that's cool, and good luck you seem like a very nice guy. But don't forget what they say about never saying never!!!

 tuffluv

Joined: 5/2/2005
Msg: 93
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 5:05:39 PM
@blastkist
You're right about two things--1) NEVER marry any woman who does not have a career, or is incapable of standing on her own two feet economically.
2) DON'T turn her into #1.
 bugsybears

Joined: 10/6/2004
Msg: 94
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 5:08:35 PM
hey tuffluv, we don't have to. the law does it for us.
 New-Beginnings

Joined: 12/19/2004
Msg: 95
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 5:16:34 PM
I sure hope that it is worth it, because I am putting all my hope in it.
 Goddard

Joined: 2/17/2005
Msg: 96
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 5:23:27 PM
You know Blast, rants like yours is one of the reasons I won't marry, ever.

because we still live in man's world and the wages are still in his favor.

BZZZTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, but feminist slogans have no place in a serious discussion. As I said once, give me one example of a man and a woman, doing the same job and same hours, in the same company, with the same skills and seniority, where the woman is being paid 70 cents by dollar, and I'll believe that. It's not hard, I only ask for one example.

I am so sick of hearing men squabble , b i t c h and whine about their money and how much they lost like they are the only ones who took a loss at all?

Well my friend, I'm so sick of hearing women about how hard is their life because they have to stay at home watching Oprah saying that they should be pampered, while the husband goes out to work. (And yes, what I said is unfair. As unfair as what you said).

if you aren't willing to put all of yourself in a marriage, including your petty income, then don't marry! And stop blaming women because the judge says that you owe her a life!

Blast, but that's exactly what we are doing! We aren't willing to run the risk, so we are leaving you alone. And we're not exactly "whining". We were asked, and we gave our reasons. So, you are angry because we are doing exactly what you want. And if you care to read the article, you'll see he's not blaming women. He's blaming the laws.

You wanted dominance and control? You got it and everything that goes with it.

I could say the same, Blast. You wanted equality and independence? You got it and everything that goes with it.

Meanwhile he's out fishing with the guys.

Last time I checked (your words), most of them weren't out there fishing with the guys.

Take it like a man and stop your whining....

Take it like a woman and get into the kitchen. (You see, that nonsense works both ways).

NO ONE WINS BIG IN DIVORCE...AND THAT INCLUDES THE WOMEN.

Then, perhaps you should tell that to the 70% of women who start divorce proceedings.

How would you know anyway, have you ever been married? Walk the walk, and then you'll qualify to talk the talk.

How would you know anyway, have you ever been a man? Be one, and then you'll qualify to talk about us.
 bugsybears

Joined: 10/6/2004
Msg: 97
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 5:26:12 PM
just remember new-beginnings, they always tell you never to put all your eggs in one basket.
 biziedizie

Joined: 2/26/2005
Msg: 98
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 5:30:08 PM

Take it like a woman and get into the kitchen.
Hey don't say that! I love to cook and to tell you the truth I'd rather do the cooking while she sets the table.
 Goddard

Joined: 2/17/2005
Msg: 99
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 5:31:42 PM
Hey don't say that! I love to cook and to tell you the truth I'd rather do the cooking while she sets the table

If she wants to use sexist stereotypes to back up her claim, who am I to deny her wish?
And I'm a great cook, too. Nobody enters in my kitchen while I'm creating wonders!
 New-Beginnings

Joined: 12/19/2004
Msg: 100
Guys do you think Marriage is worth it?
Posted: 6/27/2005 5:36:24 PM
I have to "put my eggs in one basket", because I have "social phobia". It is too dificult for me to go through this dating crap. I don't want to go through it again. In fact I have yet to get my "feet wet" when it comes to that. So I am hoping that I find the right one, that lasts my lifetime. If not, then I have no reason for existing.
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