| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 2/21/2007 1:05:10 PM |
That said, Kansas City will end up with a franchise. I see either Nashville or Miami relocating.
Listening to a sports talk show here in Vancouver, Winnipeg is apparently one of the potentials for getting a team. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2007 1:44:49 PM |
You know what's even funnier? At the time the Pens won their two Stanley Cups, as was the majority of NHL clubs, were comprised of mostly Canadian born players.
Canadians still dominate the player ranks. But you also have to consider, it was only shortly before then that Russian and other Eastern Bloc players were able to more easily immigrate. Even today it's still problematic (look at what Malkin had to go through). No doubt, hockey is still Canada's game, but it's largely being played in the US. Bringing me to the next point...
Listening to a sports talk show here in Vancouver, Winnipeg is apparently one of the potentials for getting a team.
Shame that Winnipeg lost its team. That city would certainly do a lot better supporting the team than many American markets. But I think the next franchise that moves will be doing so to Kansas City. KC has a brand-spanking new, state-of-the-art arena just waiting for a tenant. But I have heard the same rumblings about Winnipeg. I could see the Predators landing in one city and the Panthers in the other. Of course, though, Portland, Oregon and Houston are supposed to be very serious suitors for any potentially relocating franchises which could be very strong competition for Winnipeg.
I have my own hockey franchise problems to worry about ... it looks like we're going to lose our ECHL franchise which would just suck. No more Chiefs?  | |
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Posted: 2/21/2007 6:28:16 PM | " 'As for Crosby; brilliant player, BUT...he has GOT to stop with the diving and drama. He should take a lesson from Shanny who, last weekend, took a puck in the mouth and, instead of lying on the ice as if he'd been shot, just got up, spat out his teeth and carried on. THAT'S how it's done in the bigs, Kid!!'
'There's nothing like regurgitating Don Cherry's idiocy to make a point. Cherry is a dinosaur and his vision of the game is outdated. The Charlestown Chiefs were fictional, just in case anyone hadn't figured that one out yet.' "
Don Cherry? More like ANYone who knows ANYthing at ALL about hockey!
 (Don't even know how Don Cherry got in here anyway. Can you say "Thread Hijacking"?)
If you can't take a little bit of criticism about your precious little bonus baby, maybe you should stick to the "Needlepoint" thread. (At least, however, you DO acknowledge that the Charlestown Chiefs were a fictional team, so maybe there's a bit of hope for you. )
As for the Penguins "regaining" their lofty position in the standings, that's certainly to be expected, seeing as they've been the beneficiaries of, shall we say, charitable drafting arrangements over the past few years. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2007 9:38:51 PM | | groggy- you ought to use green ink. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2007 10:17:44 PM | ??!?....I suppose that in an alternate universe that MIGHT make some sort of sense...?
Please feel free to post again once the Twinkies high has worn off.  | |
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| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 2/21/2007 10:39:23 PM | | Not possible. The game has changed so much since Wayne played in the NHL. I mean look at the end of his career, even then the game was evolving and becoming more fast paced when he was on the verge of retirement. Look at some of hockey's best, Bobby Orr and Gretzky are both amazing players and have pretty much played in different eras of hockey and one has been able to smash the others records. However the way Wayne played was vastly different from the way Crosby plays, not to mention Wayne had the technical finesse of a refined hockey player, you see some of Crosby's goals and they look like complete joke shots and mistakes which are really quite pathetic. | |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 12:08:04 AM | YamIhere:
Yeah that was pretty wacky what Malkin had to go through, but his troubles with contract disagreements with his old club back in Russia... to my knowledge it had nothing to do with immigrant status.
Just found this on Wikipedia: "Malkin remained in Russia for the 2005-06 hockey season with Metallurg Magnitogorsk after the Russian Hockey Federation refused to ratify a transfer agreement between the NHL and the International Ice Hockey Federation, forcing Malkin to honor his existing contract with Magnitogorosk. On August 7, 2006, it appeared that the 20-year-old Russian player had come to a compromise and signed a deal with Metallurg Magnitogorsk that would have kept him in Russia until May 2007. Malkin stated that he signed the one-year contract not as a compromise but because of the immense "psychological pressure" his former club exerted on him, and, after leaving his Russian team while practicing in Finland, Malkin invoked a provision of Russian labor law that allowed him to cancel his contract by giving his employer two weeks notice, which allowed him to sign a contract with the Penguins on September 5, 2006."
As far as expansion teams.. I've heard they might be boosting the NHL up by two more teams, and you're definitely right with the teams you mentioned, but be it because it's a Canadian sports show, they were talking about Winni having a very high potential, and also Las Vegas.. now wouldn't that be something? | |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 4:36:23 AM | | guelphy-- not to mention that wayne was not to be touched. | |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 5:28:20 AM | guys who actually use little emoticon things...like dancing pickles or little faces laughing,as if to warn us when they are trying to be funny...should be first up against the wall
i thought only fourteen yr old girls used those so please...lets limit their use in a more appropriate forum...like
how i lost my masculinity...by grog | |
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| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 2/22/2007 5:41:35 AM |
Don Cherry? More like ANYone who knows ANYthing at ALL about hockey!
(Don't even know how Don Cherry got in here anyway. Can you say "Thread Hijacking"?)
If you can't take a little bit of criticism about your precious little bonus baby, maybe you should stick to the "Needlepoint" thread.
As for the Penguins "regaining" their lofty position in the standings, that's certainly to be expected, seeing as they've been the beneficiaries of, shall we say, charitable drafting arrangements over the past few years.
I love how Canadians always find something to get pissed off about in regard to the Pens any time the team experiences success. Crosby, Lemieux, "charitable drafting arrangments," and it goes on and on. The reason I mention Cherry is because he becomes the most prominent voice of it all. Does Crosby dive? At times, but so does every other player in the league. Envy is so ugly.
(At least, however, you DO acknowledge that the Charlestown Chiefs were a fictional team, so maybe there's a bit of hope for you. )
Bonus trivia: Can you name the real team upon which the Charelstown Chiefs were based?
As far as expansion teams.. I've heard they might be boosting the NHL up by two more teams, and you're definitely right with the teams you mentioned, but be it because it's a Canadian sports show, they were talking about Winni having a very high potential, and also Las Vegas.. now wouldn't that be something?
I think further expansion of the league would be a catastrphic mistakes. It's overextended as it is. If anything, the league should probably kill off a couple of franchises. It definitely needs to relocate some franchises. I give the league credit for doing its best to capture the momentum that existed for the sport in the US during the 90s. But it turns out that the fascination was pretty short lived. Last year's Stanley Cup finals didn't even draw a million viewers nationwide. The NHL All-Star game drew a lower rating than a rerun of MASH that was on at the same time. It's virtually ignored on sports talk radio in the states.
Seven franchises are drawing less than 15,000 per game: Nashville (14,814), Phoenix (14,580), Boston (14,436), New Jersey (13,924), Washington (13,587), Chicago (12,902), NY Islanders (12,239). Among those seven, four are currently in the playoff picture ro within 10 points of eighth place. Which of them can you really relocate? Nashville is probably the only one that could be moved with little resistance. Phoenix is one of the fastest growing cities in America and I can't see the NHL wanting to leave that market. Boston is a great hockey market and the lack of attendance surprises me. The Devils ... well, great market in the past, but if the dying interest in the sport amongst American fans is evident anywhere, it's here. Washington is the worst hockey town in the country; the only sellouts are when the Pens or Flyers are in town. No way are the Blackhawks moved. Ditto the Islanders.
I am hoping there is no further expansion. The timing is not right. But I would like to see some of these American markets left in the dust and more teams placed back into Canadian markets where they will be supported. Interest in hockey in the US is only going to get worse, especially with the NBA regaining interest here.
As for Vegas, that is interesting. I just don't know if the NHL really wants to do that. There is good reason why none of the major professional sports leagues have touched that market. | |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 5:56:58 AM | "I think further expansion of the league would be a catastrphic mistakes. It's overextended as it is. If anything, the league should probably kill off a couple of franchises. It definitely needs to relocate some franchises."
That's for sure! There are already too many teams that don't draw enough fans; it would hardly make sense to add even more "weak sisters" to the league. Relocation is a good idea. Portland, OR would be a good place for a team. Seattle would also be an excellent choice. Instant rivalry with the Canucks! And, of course, we'd all love to see teams back in Quebec City and Winnipeg. | |
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| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 2/22/2007 6:13:41 AM | no we wouldn't
winnipeg is not a major league sports city
the jets were a joke and the nhl should never go back there...the market is just not big enough and the league is still trying to get back on espn or another network
what are they going to sell...we have a new franchise in winnipeg? or las vegas?
vegas-seattle-kansas city...that is where they should go
and they should disband nashville and florida | |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 7:46:25 AM | ^^^The only problem with that is most American markets are awful for hockey. Most - read: vast majority - of Americans could care less about hockey. Pittsburgh is one of the best hockey markets in the states and the Pens are a distant, distant second to the Steelers.
I think with hockey, you have to look past market size and look at how good of a market it actually is for hockey. A team will go into KC because the city is offering one helluva sweetheart deal. But I bet in five years attendance is the lowest in the league. For Christ's sake, the newspaper there ran a story about how to be a hockey fan, explaining everything from what a goal is to what the difference between wrist and slap shots.
What is it going to take for it to reach high levels of popularity in the US again? Time. The good news for hockey in the US is its fan base is largely young (18-36). It's also tapped into the female sports fan market like no other sport. None of the other major team sports, plus NASCAR, gold and tennis have the same level of female fans that hockey has managed to attract.
Canada, though, is dying to get more NHL teams ... I think that is the direction the league should take. | |
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| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 2/22/2007 8:03:31 AM | good points
i just happen to disagree
look at the nba and toronto
major sports towns find a way to support their teams and become knowledgeable
when the raptors came here the nba crippled them with crazy restrictions in terms of draft positions etc...and the raptors are now a viable franchise
i was a fan of the nba and ncaa bball growing up-very few of my friends were
now-the market is fairly well educated-the writers on the sports pages aren't -but the fans are
what happened to the pens? bad building maybe...bad times for the town?
if there is another team to go into canada-perhaps a suburb of toronto is the way to go | |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:21:22 AM | The Pens went through some times of very poor management, then became a victim of salaries spiraling out of control. No way Pittsburgh can compete with the likes of a New York without a salary cap. It’s a huge relief that a cap got done because the NHL ending up like MLB - where 90% of the teams are already out of contention for the 07 season - would have been flatly sad.
Right now its a matter of getting an arena deal finalized. The state and local players have put together an extremely good package for a new arena. It’s not as lucrative up front as the deal being offered in KC, but KC doesn’t offer the same market or long-term viability. The board of governors would never approve the move, either.
A second franchise in Toronto is an interesting idea. You’d have to beleive the support would be there. But the franchise would also always play second fiddle to the Leafs. | |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:33:02 AM | see mets:new york...
would still be good for hockey though
and there would be a huge rivalry right away with toronto/buffalo/ottawa
winnipeg?
not even edmonton or calgary would get too excited | |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 8:35:56 AM | In regards to expansion teams, we dont need more. Actually we need less teams because the season is so god damn cluttered now that you really dont get a good flow of playing east and west teams. Apparently the schedules will change for the 2008 season, however that doesnt help the fact that there are a lot of crappy teams out there right now who are going down the toilet, Flordia, Tampa, Phili, Chicago and Phoenix are all low grade teams, yea they have potential but right now during this season they are losing a lot of money due to poor performance. Anyone who thinks Nashville should go is an idiot, they are one of the top ranked teams in the league with the most points next to Anaheim, both teams seemed unlikely to be playoff contenders this year.
If they were going to move a team with weak fanbase to Canada, put it somewhere in a highly populated city or area like Hamilton, Kitchener Waterloo is far too small to support a NHL team. Having another Ontario hockey team could be good for the league, as not everyone can afford to go to Leafs games and they still sell tickets like mad, having another team could really bring down ticket prices for Leafs fans and it would create a new rivalry as well. | |
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| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 2/22/2007 8:43:17 AM | we weren't talking about nashville's points mr everybody is an idiot but thanks for the scoreboard update
read something before you post...do you know anything about the franchise's situation in nashville?
about the owner there?
there is more to this discussion than the standings...
and the K/W area could handle a franchise...
not my opinion-the opinion of the multi millionaire who wanted to buy the pens and move them there
many people i know drive to buffalo to catch the sabres-they would drive to kitchener to watch the nhl-so would you-in guelph...no?
it has to be far enough away from the leafs and sabres geographical rights area to even put a team in there
that is why hamilton will never get a franchise
but thanks for your input | |
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| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 2/22/2007 7:51:04 PM | " guys who actually use little emoticon things...like dancing pickles or little faces laughing,as if to warn us when they are trying to be funny...should be first up against the wall
i thought only fourteen yr old girls used those so please...lets limit their use in a more appropriate forum...like"
...or maybe such people are just a bit more secure and know they can carry it off, whereas as others have to struggle oh-so-hard to reassure themselves of their "man"hood.
(There ya go, "Sailing". Another emoticon for your collection! Put it under your pillow with your Crosby photo.)
And speaking of Sid, how the hell did this thread go from Sidney Crosby to theoretical franchise moves?!?!
BACK ON TOPIC, already!! (Assuming there's anything more to be said, that is.) | |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 11:05:15 PM | | Well if Nashville is going to move due to poor attendence, what about the Islanders as well. I was watching the game tonight and they only drew 11,000 people and probably at least 100 of them were Leafs fans from Ontario. Teams that arent popular enough where they exist now should really be moved. Boston should stay where they are, I doubt there are going to be a ton of places that you could put a whole bunch of current teams. If you are getting 14,000 or less to each of your home games then there is something wrong. | |
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| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 2/23/2007 2:37:38 PM | | Crosby will be playing in an offensively minded NHL. He will break these records... however, with the instigator rule he will take 199 times the abuse that Gretzky the pansy took. Hitting Gretz meant that you had two or three big guys trying to lynch you for it. Crosby is getting hacked six ways from saturday... Gretz could never produce what Crosby has already done with the sort of abused heaped upon him. | |
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| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 10/14/2007 5:41:36 AM | LMAO .
oh my godd, I can't believe what you idiots are saying ...
whats up with all these forums haten on crosby? HE is the best in the mothaa ****kiin leagueeeeeeeee
no douubt
youngest scoring champion, at 19 yearsss olldddd
Like serriousslly guys , you're pathetic .. and you know he's the best
If one person was to break Gretzky's records, it would be Sidney Crosby ... because he's so damn amazing .. if you watch him in ANY game he plays, he out shines everyone - he just loves the game, and he deserves what he's got.
you guys aare so hurtin dissing crosby .. there's absolutely no reason for it .. you know he's good . | |
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| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 10/14/2007 12:35:26 PM | OMG! can ppl PLEASE stop comparing these two!!
its not possible when its a different era, along with different rules.
wayne was born great, he was given time to actually appreciate the game and slowly get put into the spotlight. he actually EARNED his title. he worked for his records, he learned from his mentors...
crosby (im not denying hes a good player) was handed his title as captain, he has many responsibilities off the ice as he does on the ice. he was thrown into the spotlight without being given any chance to learn about his position (in the NHL). he hasn't had the chance to watch and learn from some of those who have been around the block.
crosby is either gonna crash and burn or step up to the plate, and unfortunately for him - there is no in between =( | |
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| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 10/14/2007 5:37:20 PM | naahhh its the answer that crosby already steeppped to the plate lonngg time agoo
he already proved that he's the best.
nothing mooore saiid | |
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| Sidney Crosby
Posted: 10/14/2007 8:16:10 PM | | wayne is probably a top 5 player. but he was the first poster boy for the nhl in the cable tv era. he got all of the hype and was not allowed to be touched. mario was twice the player gretzky was | |
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