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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 3:34:22 AM |  Oh come on ....Big Mama U.S Government is about Love....Take Abortion and taxes for example.......can't ya just feel the Love!! | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 4:29:56 AM |
And what is with his freaking religion? WHO'S GOD IS HE FUCKING TALKING ABOUT! IT's NOT THE SAME AS MINE! "GOD told me to do it" Bush says. How do i know he is not talking to himself, or some other deamon?
that's a really interesting point isn't it. If you look at fottage of Hitler speeches, or rants you will notice how he looks as though he is possessed by an evil spirit, daemon or jinn. Maybe Bush it too, but somehow he holds it together with a little less incoherent shouting and spluttering.
One problem thoough of us all concentrating on the elites and how they exert control over us is to deny our own agency and also our complicity. I don't know how many people in the US are politically coherent but I'm saddened that in the UK, though people protest etc, we are not a patch on people in france, germany or eastern europe...when they feel wronged huge numbers of people are out on the streets confronting the power that be. I'm not saying that protest is neccessarily the way forward but we need to find ways of realising our own power as citizens...even if it just from understanding the organsiations we buy from and into and taking our money from the clutches of evil corporations. They are like monsters, fed by money. If they are starved of money they turn back into dust.
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 4:58:42 AM | | Absolutely. You have every right to be proud of the government and President. It is your right to view what some consider desasters of the past 3 years as accomplishments. I will defend your right to your point of view and I for one respect it. | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 8:43:23 AM | | I also respect the right of people to question the actions of our Government. They can try and change the government through the elections if they are unhappy. In the case of the US, the vast majority of voters saw things the way I do, that President Bush and the current Government is the best choice for the future... | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 10:43:42 AM | | Watchman: Will you STOP with the VAST majority of the US agreeing with Bush. We were deeply divided. He barely won the election, there was no SWEEPING success. I can promise you that he is being more closely watched this time around and he is NOT having an easy time of it. He lost more of his cabinet that many other Pres. before him.The republican party is divided but supported him because they did not have anyone else that had the money and power that he did.He is old money and that is power the truth be told that he won. | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 10:49:11 AM | Watchman: Will you STOP with the VAST majority of the US agreeing with Bush. We were deeply divided
Deeply divided?
Bush won 51% of the popular vote. Bill Clinton NEVER won more than 50% of the popular vote. Bush received almost 4 MILLION more votes than did Kerry.
That most certainly IS an overwhelming victory, The Democrats also lost many Gubernatorial, House and Senate races. The Democrats even lost their Minority Leader Tom Daschle who was voted out of office.
It was an overwhelming victory for Conservative America and President Bush. Now you can try and spin it off anyway that helps you sleep but the facts are the facts... | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 10:54:27 AM | So your point is what? It does not make it a sweeping success. The dem have not controlled the house in about a decade so the fact that they did not take it back does not suprise me. I do not need to spin the truth the way that consevatives so desperately need to to justify their nonsense.
In my opinion since the popular vote does not get anyone the presidency it does not count. You can spin stats to say anything that you want to say. It does not make them fact. It makes them numbers and BS spin. | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 11:00:11 AM | So your point is what? It does not make it a sweeping success. The dem have not controlled the house in about a decade so the fact that they did not take it back does not suprise me
Not only did they not take it back, they lost even MORE seats in both the House, the Senate as well as Gubernatorial seats
In my opinion since the popular vote does not get anyone the presidency it does not count.
It sure mattered a whole lot last Election when Al Gore won the popular vote and lost the Election. Now you're saying the popular vote doesn't matter? I see that as a bit hypocritical...
It does not make them fact. It makes them numbers and BS spin.
No spin whatsoever. They are the factual numbers and results of the Election. Not admitting facts like this is simply remaining in denial... | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 11:07:07 AM | **It sure mattered a whole lot last Election when Al Gore won the popular vote and lost the Election. Now you're saying the popular vote doesn't matter? I see that as a bit hypocritical**
Look, in case you did not know this Al Gore did not get to be Pres when he had won by popular vote. So I am right it did not matter or he would have been president. The Bush family thugs took the election. Bush did not win the first election. Hell who knows maybe in 4 years he will try to figure out how to do it again.
I think that we need to overhaul how the electorial college. It is those idiots votes that count so darn much. They can be bought off, conjoled and manipulated into giving their votes. | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 11:14:39 AM | The Bush family thugs took the election. Bush did not win the first election
Wait a minute, you first claim that the Popular vote doesn't matter. Now you say that Bush stole the first Election because Al Gore won the Popular Vote?
It is those idiots votes that count so darn much. They can be bought off, conjoled and manipulated into giving their votes.
I see, so you are claiming that Bush paid off almost 4 MILLION people all across the country to vote for him? Quite an accomplishment, I wonder how much they got paid for their vote? At $100 bucks a piece that is over 400 MILLION dollars!
That's some theory you got there.... | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 11:23:48 AM | maybe it was the correct thread. sure is interesting how the popular vote doesn't count for anything but firm guidance for the electoral college. I think it needs overhauled too.
The peoples vote should be the bottom line. wonder how many years the system will persist like this? Seems like even the no brainers are out of reach. | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 11:35:19 AM | | Igotoosu: I agree with you. I think that we are not long for it falling completely apart. I mean historically democracies tend to last no more than about the 350 year mark. It may have another 50 to 60 years at best IMHO. | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 1:05:21 PM | I believe were on the dawn of a new age concerning government. The united states is here to stay. But, what will change is the structure and the motivations. We're circling closer and closer to truth over time. Its a natural process, but fundamental is that people do not quit revising the methodology behind establishing the parameters of priority for action withing their minds. Especially the leaders.
My mind says that we need to see at least two generations pass before the knowledge base is refreshed and more realistic concerning cause and effect of scientific based topics. Clear separation of church and state should be more enforced after this time as well. We should not have a president declare war on religious grounds (and you know he was) in a society that has such seperation of church and state as law. | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 1:09:53 PM | | watchman: Point in case dude, whether u like it or not. I personaly know a girl that was paid by a redneck named 'tank' $50 to vote for W. there is 4 million-2 votes for you bud. | |
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Posted: 12/18/2004 2:46:42 PM | | Igotoosu:You make a good arguement and I can't disagree with you. You very well could be on to something. I mean our government is not what is was when it started out with a constitution that our forefathers knew was flawed. They had the wisdom to know that we would make changes as we need to. Great Post. | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 3:03:56 PM | I know a black guy in Detroit that was paid $20 to vote for Kerry.
Back to 4 million 'dude' | |
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Posted: 12/18/2004 3:57:44 PM | Watchman, I couldn't help but notice that you own your own business. Kudos! I hope you do well in the future... As for those of us who do not, it's silly for us to coninually get sucked into putting our stock into a capitalist driven 2 party system which only favors big business anyway you look at it. As a country, we spend tooooo much of our time debating on wether or not we are republican or democrat. A monkey could tell you that there are poor aspects in both platforms. The only thing that was accomplished by voting Bush into office was a guarantee for Big business to have an overwhelmingly good 4 more years. That, in no way, guarantees a prosperous 4 more years for blue collar Joe, who works for Watchman or Nron or Westinghouse
It was a very sad day to see the country take such a spin towards Conservative politics. Muppet Bush and his cabinet of paper tigers are only going to spin us more into oblivion from the world standpoint. If Bush won the election by 4 million US votes-- I'd love to know how many more dozen votes he would have received on a Global scale. Bush is only the best candidate for fat cats and philanderers who want to lower the minimum wage and pump the price of medication or gas... Watchman, if you can loan me a couple grand to move my a** up NorT to Vancouver, mail me and Let me know how soon you can wire the funds-- I'll be in the UHaul faster than you can finish your next Conservative rant-- Go get em!!!
I PLEDGE ALLEEEEEGIANCE
TO THE FLAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
BULLSH*T! let me out | |
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 4:35:21 PM | Thanks Noodler but if it were not for Conservative Politics I wouldn't be making as much money as I am now.
As for this comment:
BULLSH*T! let me out
Who's stopping you?
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| Are the U.S. misunderstood?
Posted: 12/18/2004 5:06:13 PM | that's it!
check this diagram out
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Mouth = Money
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it's pretty simple, but I figured I'd break it down | |
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