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Posted: 4/5/2008 5:54:31 AM | | The only people that hate cops are the ones breaking the law. Cops ticket or arrest people. Firefighters do not. It's that simple. People admire those that help others as long as they're not getting a ticket. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2008 9:58:34 PM | ^^^That I would have to disagree with. I (for one) am a pretty law-abiding citizen who has only been arrested once im my younger life, and has only gotten about 8 tickets ever.
The mistrust (not "hate") has stemmed from growing up seeing friends mistreated by cops (beat up badly while in custody for example) ... to reading and watching news of abuse cases ... to being told of dirty little happenings (such as the killing of a young Native man by police, covered up by lies of how he really died).
Yes cops are only human, but that is part of the problem sometimes. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 7:31:49 AM | | Were you there when your freind was " beaten" ? Was your freind under the influence of anything? If so, they may not have a clear recollection of what really happened. Cops don't get overly physical with somebody unless its necessary or provoked. If a subject resisted, spit in your face, tried kicking you in the crotch, or took a swing before being put into cuffs, its understandable that this person is going to be taken down to the ground with no soft landing provided. The majority of people ticketed and/or arrested do not get " beaten". Nobodies beaten. As soon as a cop has to get physical, its considered beating. It should be considered necessary force. 99.9% of the time it is. Theres always a bad seed in the bunch. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 10:17:32 AM | I would have to agree with addicted2forums somewhat...as I live in a country which is politically invested in terrorism, the police do to some extent their job....however, on both sides of northern irelands divide I believe that the police have overstepped their authoritive control in making the 'peace'. This opinion is taken from personal opinion. Unfortunately the police are seen in my country as the 'baddies' lol but not without good cause...me thinks...more interegration into peace and less of control would maybe help....firefighters on the other hand are seen to come to peoples 'hour of need'. The hooligans who deter them and put firefighters lives in jepodary through false calls and attacking arnt worthy of any help..... | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 8:44:40 PM | | Cheri it sure brings new meaning to law enforcement in other countries besides America. I can only envision the law enforcement around me...I am a firefighter. I never thought of looking outside of the scope of my own country at the way others live, as we have it good here...compared to other places. How are your fire families similar to ours and how are they different? I have never experienced the false calls...but we do have "cat in tree"calls where the cat won't come down and some fool climbs the tree to get it and falls out and injures themselves. I sure wish things were a bit more peaceful for you..it must feel bad not to feel comfortable calling for the police to help you. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 2:12:27 AM | | I think you need to do better research cops and fire fighters are slots 3 and 4. I would tell you all the most dangerous profession but you more then likely wouldnt believe me so google it. | |
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Posted: 4/7/2008 9:16:10 AM | | Hi jeanieweeman ...well im not a firefighter and only know firefighters who are friends of friends so to speak...however, im sure there job is more or less the same as yourselves in America i.e putting out fires, rescueing people etc...nevertheless, for northern irish firefighters they do put up a lot with terriorist activities and people who are bored and think its funny to alert false calls..sometimes firefighters get attacked and end up in hospital themselves...there is a big ad campaign on ulster television concerning penalising the culprits by imprisonment; but 9 outa 10 times they dont get caught...the psni which is our police service keep the peace to a certain extent but there is always a case were theyve over stepped the mark...resulting in more hatred and terrorism...reflecting on northern irelands situation it is sad cause nothern ireland has a beautiful countryside and costal walks. Most of the people who live here are very friendly and very chatty lol...its just that small percentage who ruin it for everyone else... | |
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Posted: 4/9/2008 8:46:19 AM | MUDFLAP~ Re-read why its a dangerous job....in my earlier posts I showed a list of firefighter related deaths and causes. The top ten causes of death to anyone...firefighters are exposed to and DO die from the first few. Maybe thats what the OP meant.
post # 69 and here is #78 below:
Here are the stats according to the National Center for Health Statisics: I have checked the ones that effect firefighters with higher risk than some.
Number of deaths for leading causes of death
Heart disease: 652,486 *** ( alot of heart related illness for firefighters on top of this.)
Cancer: 553,888 *** ( several different kinds of cancers because of our exposure to certain substances)
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,074 *** ( stress of job for FF )
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 121,987 ***(Among other respiratory illnesses aggravated by smoke, debri and unknown substances and exposure causes.)
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 112,012 *** ( Burns,falls, collapses in structure fires, ect)
Diabetes: 73,138
Alzheimer's disease: 65,965
Influenza/Pneumonia: 59,664 ***( smoke exposure and other inhaled substances)
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 42,480
Septicemia: 33,373*** ( this can and does happen when injuries turn infectious, which in the case of burns..it sets in fast.)
I hope this clears up maybe what everyone thought was not true. | |
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Posted: 4/18/2008 1:28:40 PM | to answer your question, jcarlp, ... no, I was not actually taken into custody with ANYof the friends I am talking about. However, I was with many of them at the time of their arrests (mostly taken in for drunken driving, and one picked up walking home while intoxicated - trying to avoid drinking and driving) ... and I did see some of them the morning after or within a few days.
Yes, they were all under the influence of alcohol at the time ... but I can almost guarantee you there is no problem with "recollection" of what happened to (any of) them. One inparticular had to go to the doctor and to the chiropractor after being released the next day. He would have pressed charges with medical notes proving his injuries, but he knows that a drunk person does not make for a good "witness".
I could go on, but that would be going off the original topic too much. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 5:18:22 PM | I too love a man in uniform.......I would LOVE to meet a nice policeman or firefighter - I know there are pros and cons, but that is true with anyone you meet.......I have been on this site for almost a year and have not yet had the opportunity to meet one of "Philly's Finest" -- would LOVE to though! If you are single and out there, gentlemen, please contact me!  | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 9:02:24 PM |
Heart disease: 652,486 *** ( alot of heart related illness for firefighters on top of this.)
Cancer: 553,888 *** ( several different kinds of cancers because of our exposure to certain substances)
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,074 *** ( stress of job for FF )
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 121,987 ***(Among other respiratory illnesses aggravated by smoke, debri and unknown substances and exposure causes.)
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 112,012 *** ( Burns,falls, collapses in structure fires, ect)
Diabetes: 73,138
Alzheimer's disease: 65,965
Influenza/Pneumonia: 59,664 ***( smoke exposure and other inhaled substances)
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 42,480
Septicemia: 33,373*** ( this can and does happen when injuries turn infectious, which in the case of burns..it sets in fast.)
Are you kidding me? I too have all of those hazards at my job. So why are you so much better or more important than me? | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 10:26:26 PM | I believe Police and Firefighters have the most dangerous jobs due to the fact that, daily they come in contact with people with comunicable diseases in situation where the diseases are easily transmitable. That is why these positions are called "high risk".
A fisherman does not have fish shooting at him (or her) and the fish don't have hep-c, HIV, MRSA (google it. it's very pretty) or any other disease.
Pilots and Navigators? The NTSB and all the other experts say flying is the safest way to travel.
Structural Metal Workers. DANGEROUS JOB. I'll give you that.
Drivers? Could be dangerous. I did it for several years. Never an accident. I worked with a large group of people who drove. We never got into an accident and never got a disease or exposed to any.
The list goes on but really anyone who says police and firefighters don't have a dangerous job is fooling themselves.
Police have to deal with people trying to give them diseases and kill them. It's pretty dangerous.
Lets not forget the people on the deck of a Navy Aircraft Carrier. They can be killed in a million ways. | |
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Posted: 9/20/2008 7:34:49 PM | Police and firefighters are just like any other people..... I personally love a man in uniform! | |
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Posted: 9/25/2008 1:38:04 PM | | i like fireman.and i like good policeman.we do have some policeman that are bad.but we have alot of good policeman to.my best friend's house got broke in to and alot of her stuff was stolden.the police kept on working on it untill thay got her stuff back. so yes we do have alot of good policeman. | |
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Posted: 9/26/2008 2:11:53 AM | I love a man........................................Out Of uniform! | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 7:58:56 AM | actually not true, but they love to say it..we are all supposed to kiss their butts.
not in North America anyway..check the stats on how many (% ges) of construction workers and miners die or are seriously injured on the job vs. cops & firefighters..
in my town at least a few construction workers die each year..no cop has died on the job here since 1952..(then there was one..before that it was at least another 50 years prior)
or factory workers..get a little tired of cops & FF's constantly repeating that..sounds like whining way too often.
If it's too much for you, quit and get another job at 1/4 the pay & benefits. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 8:05:12 AM |
The only people that hate cops are the ones breaking the law. Cops ticket or arrest people. Firefighters do not. It's that simple. People admire those that help others as long as they're not getting a ticket.
uhh, I think that David Milgaard, Steven Truscott, Guy Paul Morin, Donald Marshall, Robert Baltotovich, Thomas Sophonow, Robert Driskell , and others _- a short partial list of people wrongfully convicted based in least in part by biased and/or tainted and false witness by cops (yes lying), and who each spent at least 10 years or more in prison for things they didn't do- would have a good reason to somewhat 'dislike' and distrust cops.
many cops are like other people -lazy- and there is no 'competition' so they go for the easy arrest/conviction..someone dead -charge the husband/boyfriend or neighbor..
'nuff said. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 11:59:41 AM | ^^^^^^^A Great and astute observation
Sure cops have a hard job but they also signed up for it.....cops are human like anyone else... They are not all bad ... and many good ones but plenty of ** ones who are nothing more than crooks with badges..
Time and again too often when one does wrong the others close ranks to protect the "brotherhood" instead of doing what is right.. No honor in that at all.. I don't consider them in any way to have any kind of deity status wherein if one dies its someone more tragic than a civilian who dies....
vvvvvvv Much like Santa Claus, that childhood ideal of "Officer Friendly" is a myth
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Posted: 2/9/2009 12:17:54 PM | | When i was a kid cops were awsome. Even when we were doing something "wrong" say swinning in a creek or something they were nice. They would say "hey guys you should'nt be swiiming here it is dangerous and you could get hurt, let me give you guys a ride home" Now they tear into people for nothing . I don't want to hear a cops job is rough and such. They can quit at any time and find a new career. Of course like anything there are good and bad, normally a few bad apples ruin it for everyone but now most of the apples are bad. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 7:35:57 PM | | I love cops that are out to help the community and people and am sad there is the influence to militarize them and do not like being referred to as a civilian. | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 8:27:10 PM | The only people that hate cops are the ones breaking the law.
I think you forgot "In my opinion" somewhere in this overgeneralization . I don't "hate" anyone but I hold a very deep-seated dislike/disrespect for many (not all) of America's supposed "finest." Spend some time researching Federal 1983 claims (and other civil rights violations) and pay close attention to police brutality/officer abuse of power and/or be a domestic violence complainant. It's not difficult to figure out why some of us don't trust those who are supposed to serve and protect. (Some of us aren't criminal, just aware .)  | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 8:29:51 PM | I  Cops.... I better I go camping with alot of them over the Memorial Day weekend every year. Now that is an adventure!
I love any man in uniform...cops are not different. I would rather have a cop watching my back then a felon  ! | |
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Posted: 2/9/2009 10:37:01 PM | I notice that most people hate cops... until they need one.
Just like so many people hate lawyers... until they need one. The culture here in particular seems to paint lawyers in a very negative way. That's because the actions of a few bad apples erase the good so many lawyers are doing everyday for people. Just like cops. | |
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Posted: 2/10/2009 5:35:13 AM | | I love cops haha. Firemen though, alays get to play the good role. Wow a man put out a fire and saved some children...who hates that lol? On the other hand... a man gave me a speeding ticket...damn it! Lol cops have to do things we may not always like lol. | |
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