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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/11/2007 5:08:26 PM | I prefer to think of ADHD has a condition, not a disease. It is something to deal with, certainly, but I dont think of it as something "wrong" with either my son or me. We are both intelligent cpable people with oodles of positive traits. I know...semantics...lol..but it makes me feel better. :)
The boy also has Tourettes, which is a trip. Tourettes kids always have ADHD, but not vice versa. The meds he takes for tics helps his ADHD, too. I am not gung-ho for giving kide meds, but, if it improves their quality of life, kewl! Happy boy=happy mom. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/11/2007 9:07:11 PM | Is the real deal live with it every day have since is was 6 .Im 34 now hasn gotten easier to control with age and a propery diet like cutting out sugars and caffeine there are good med sout there that dont do the zombie thing but they are expensive so no its not acop out  | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/11/2007 9:16:44 PM | | one problem with this is most med take at least 30 days to come to proper levels and the side effects to abate trust mei have a degree and i couldnt have done with out the meds rit sucks but there are a lot better meds than ritalin like adderall | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/12/2007 3:44:10 PM | | I take Adderall, and it works very well for me. I think, however, that most meds lose most of their efficacy in about 7 years. I am approaching 5 on Adderall....guess I am going to have to try something new fairly soon. :) | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/12/2007 8:18:29 PM | I take Strattera for ADHD. It's a real condition and a real pain in the butt! However, it did help me cope with being a single mom after I left my husband. I could get up at 6am and go to bed well after 1 am and still function. I had a great amount of energy. However, after a while the body won't do it, even though the mind is willing.
I can say that I've never felt what it's like to have low stress until I started taking the medication I'm on. I wouldn't go without it ever. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/13/2007 3:01:58 AM | I myself raised an ADHD child n it was very difficult!! This is a genetic illness n I don't believe it's a cop out!! My son almost died when he was a baby from seizures n his father was a coke addict,so therefore it affected his brain.
However in some cases,it may be a cop out!! Therapy n meds is necassary for treatment!! I didn't wanna put my child through that,but it had to be n we both suffered!!
He grew out of it when he was 13(he's now 21),but I still see some after effects!!
IT'S A CHEMICAL IMBALANCE IN THE BRAIN!!
Don't believe the fairy tales that a change of diet will help or giving the child coffee will have a reverse effect--Bull****
Unforunately,medication,therapy n ALOT of love n patience will help someone with ADHD!!
It's a horrible mental illness,like depression,or pscitzophrenia!! It's not to be taking lightly.
I should know,I've lived through it n it's no fun!!Tell your friend to get neurological tests done on their child before accepting prescriptions n ALWAYS get a second opinion.
I hated having my son on medication,but it was necassary!! It can cause liver damage n thank god,that hasn't happened yet!!
But to anyone reading this---PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE don't let any doctor just give u meds without having thorough tests! Cause than that will truly be a cop out!
GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL!!!! | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/25/2007 10:21:24 AM | My son has adhd and I tried the exercise thing to wear him out. After 2 hours of martial arts when everyone else was tired out he was sliding across the floor and talking so fast I couldnt keep up with him. Exercise can stimulate a child with ADHD. He takes Ritalin twice a day at 10 mg per tablet in the morning and at lunchtime, he was monitored at school by a psychiatrist for 6 months before diagnosis (he wasnt aware he was being monitored) and I went with him to see the psychiatrist once a month until diagnosis. My sons grades have greatly improved and he choses to take the meds whilst at school. He doesnt take them in the holidays and at weekends just when he needs to concentrate. He is 10 now. I also tried him on a high concentrate fish oil but that never made any difference after 3 months. I am lucky as my son is very loving and kind and I dont have any serious behavioual issues like some other parents have.  | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/26/2007 7:20:48 PM | Sure ADD/ADHD is real. However I'd say it's WAY, WAY, WAY too overly diagnosed. It IS used in quite a few situations where the parents just want an excuse for their bad parenting.
It's always a pleasure to read the opinions of people that haven't walked in our shoes a day---month or gone w/o sleep for days on end because our child can't lay still enough to sleep.
It helps me to come back to the ADHD threads to know that others live through it & survive it. I don't mind the struggle, but I don't want his quality of life to suffer for it-in school, @ home, in society. He deserves better. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/27/2007 3:41:28 AM | I totally agree with what you said. My son struggled for many years. I would have lists around the house giving him instructions for daily routines, because it was the only way for him to remember what he was supposed to be doing. It was the same routine every morning, get up, eat your breakfast, wash up, brush your teeth, get dressed. But he would sit there not knowing what to do. The lists helped.
One day I found him crying over his math. It was a page of math questions. He said the numbers were all jumping out at him and he couldn't do it. He had been working on it for over an hour and only had 2 questions done. I had to cover the entire page except for the one question he was working on. He finished it in 10 minutes after that.
He had a teacher who found that he could get his work done faster if he put him in the hall away from the other kids. Not all teachers are like that though.
It took a while before the doctor gave me a prescription, but let me tell you, life for him became normal! He didn't need the lists everywhere. I could tell him 3 things I wanted him to do, and they would get done, without any reminders. He was able to do his school work without being a distraction or without having any distractions. The best thing is that his school marks improved. He not a zombie at all, in fact when he graduated from grade 8 he was voted most likely to host the Emmy's. He is funny, athletic, outgoing, and if you weren't told that he was on meds, you'd never know. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/27/2007 9:58:43 AM | TOS,
You are right about teachers. I think my ADHD makes me a better teacher.
I had a boy in my class years ago who was ADHD, or so I thought. (He wasnt diagnosed.) Anyway, he couldnt sit down to do his work in class. So, I took away his chair. He did his work standing up. Worked like a charm! Lol...
The downside was the next school year, his teacher was unhappy with me for teaching him "bad" habits. The ends justify the means, right? | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/27/2007 11:18:19 AM | | this can be detected today better then in years past...most adults who suffered with this had many drugs they were put on for other things, including bipolar...today they realize that some can be helped by meds...and if you truly find a good doctor then you should stick to them, and try to work it out... if it is a diet or behavioral problems then that also is a different problem...not all children can eat the food with red dies in them...go natural as you can...and watch if time will heal it before taking a band aid and putting it on your child so you have peace...you gave birth to the child you know them better then anyone else... | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/27/2007 1:41:10 PM | Ok,
here is something that I think in many cases should be checked, But let me tell you why.
My 13 yr old was all over the place, But she was able to sit and work on something for a long time, She was just a bouncy kid, But I also slept with her many times and I thought she had sleep apnea, Never thought any more about it, she is 13 now and normal, BUT I have a 4 yr old who sleeps with me now and I also thought she has sleep apnea, I know because I do and I used to use a C-Pap at night, I am getting tested again to see how much mine came down (due to extreem weight loss) Anyway, When I was talking to the Dr. who treats and test for this, I talked about my 4 yr old, and I was right.
The Dr told me, that where in adults with S/A we are tired all of the time, wiped out In kids it is totally opposite, He said that they are so wired that many Dr.s misdiagnose at ADD/ADDHD, My daughter (4) is glued to the walls and everywhere else possible, she is on the run from am to pm and it just takes me ouot,
Check it out with the Dr. or spend a night or two in the same room and listen to the child breath. go from there | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/28/2007 5:31:09 PM | southerncomfort this:
Don't believe the fairy tales that a change of diet will help or giving the child coffee will have a reverse effect--Bull**** is a ridiculous and a very unfair statement. I am shocked to see it coming from a parent of an ADHD child (IE, someone who SHOULD know better!!!) No two children are alike. Just because something worked or didn't work for your child does not mean it will be the same for everyone else. I have known several people for whom diet change was the key. This did nothing for my son. A cup of coffee, however, calms him better than the concerta he was on. Just work on finding the least harmful thing that gives your child a normal life. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/29/2007 4:21:59 PM | Okay...I've been doing alot of reading up on ADHD. Is there a connection w/ ADHD/ODD/Bipolar? Are they all lumped together? Can they all be treated w/ one type of medicine or is it a****ail of sorts? I have an appt. Friday am for him. From what I've been reading, Concerta/Ritalin type meds do NO good for kids that are bipolar. His teacher said the change in him since the Concerta was started is AMAZING. The mood swings & lashing out w/ me are about to do me in.
I am not a doctor & don't play one on tv & I realize that most of us here aren't , but it's nice to hear back from ones that have walked the path before me.
Thanks! | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/29/2007 6:07:31 PM | Hi,
Well i use to think that it was the parents fault on the way kids behave. Until i had my 5th child. I have had custody of him now for 3 months because his mum could not cope. He now is 11 and he has ADD. If u ever doubt wot ur Dr has said I have a quick and easy solution on how to find out if ur child has these conditions. With ur Drs assistance allow the child to take the medication. Now if he/she is ADD the medication will allow them to concentrate a lot better and hence the "normal" behaviour. Now if the child doesnt "calm" down but in essence hypers up even more u would know straight away that the child DOES NOT have ADD or ADHD.Sound drastic maybe but i believe a sure fire way of finding out cant fake it with the medication. My son only takes his medication at school to assist his concentration there. At home i ensure that he is constantly occupied. He plays his playstation, watches telly or goes swimming and i rarely have any problems with him. we sat down and made some ground rules together and if he breaks them he knows that they were his ideas and that he gets "punished".
You also must be patient a lot more with them.
Luvit. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/7/2007 8:41:42 AM | | Both. Depends on the situation. I know an adult with ADD and it is very real for him. He chooses not to medicate but rather use a day timer and post it's regularly to help him remember things and stay organized. In some cases with young children, they may only need medication for a while as a stepping stone. A child with ADHD can fall behind in school and it can hurt them socially because it effects their self esteem. If medication can help them academically and help with self esteem, I think it's imperative. Now if it's not real, I'd tend to believe it has to do with parenting but I don't want to get into that. I've just seen too many wishy washy parents with unclear boundaries. Boundaries create structure, structure creates security. In my opinion. :) | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/8/2007 12:18:55 AM | | I have a child with ADHD and it's taken 3 long and painful years just to get her diagnosed. This isn't something some plonker doc made up and thought it'd be a good money maker, this is a very real and hard condition. Not only for the parent but especially for the child. It takes at least 1 full year of trying new ideas before a child can come even close to going on meds, so yea PLEASE read up on some information before you say amything else, cause when I first read your forum I felt quite upset that you would think me a bad parent because my daughter is now taking a drug. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/8/2007 5:23:44 AM | | I'm Diagnoised ADHD in the last year...i did a lot of research on it and the different types of treatment and how each treatment effects your body long and short term. That kinda stuff..i learned a lot. Now the problem is because its so common now in society doctors have a hard time reconizing hyper and ADHD now..the doctor i saw told me ha had many adults go in to find out why they had hard times with life in general then there kids had it shortly after they found out they had it as well...from what i read about medications...if there under 18-19 they should never take anything other than whats meant for ADHD/ADD. There are cases when either the medication makes you loopy,sick for the ADHD/ADD so your forced to use anti-depressants as an alternative because either your medical plan doesn't cover the other treatments or you can't use them due to health problems..if your child can't use the true treatment or you can't afford it don't bother cause the other medication..they will more than likely change your child for the worse sometimes better... anti-depressants are only an option when you know your mind well enough to tell how the anti-depressant is effecting you personaly and how well it works on you case of ADHD/ADD. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/8/2007 5:43:54 AM | It is a total cop out. Yes there are children who have real issues that need to be dealt with ...but more often than not, if given the right testing, you will find it is more along the lines of asperger's. Oh and shock...GASP...the fact that the parents never taught them how to behave in a public situation.
The school system tried to tell me that my daughter was ADHD when she was in third grade. The teacher constantly sent home notes saying my daughter would constantly get up to sharpen her pencil (like 10 times in half an hour). My question was this...who is in charge???? Make her sit down and do her work. I would lecture her at home, and provide the appropriate punishment. When it still didn't click with the teacher to actually be the boss in the classroom, I pulled my daughter out.
I homeschooled all three of my children for nearly 10 yrs. They are back in public school again because I am a single parent again and have to work....the biggest issue I have now is that they are bored beyond belief. There is no challenge for them, so of course they are going to fidget.
I work around this by providing plenty of things at home to keep their brains and bodies busy. They don't get much history at school, so we do it at home. I have "odd duck" children...this is our nickname we thought up. My children love history, science, etc.
But I do have to work with my 10yo constantly to make sure he is doing what he should be in school...he is bored, so when given a quiz, he finishes by filling in circles without reading the questions. NOT cool! So he lost computer time until he could bring home a decent grade on a quiz. And he has to keep it up or he loses computer again.
Ok, off my soap box now...:) But definitely a cop out. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/8/2007 9:41:31 AM | I took my son to the doctors and they did testing...The results were that he didnt have add/adhd but he did have a little bit of a hyperactive side. The doctor wanted to put him on Concerta. At first his father and I didnt want him to relay on pills but we decided to give it a 4 week trial to see how it went. We were told by his school that he was too hyper for them and until we got him calmer he could not return to school.
He has been on the pills for just over 2 months now and I feel it has helped him for the better. He is NOT a zombie, his personality is still the same and his appetite
has not decreased at all as it says in the side effects. When we went back to the doctors she noticed he was very calm. He is now back in school and he is alot better.
It has made school, home, and other places so much better because he has this to help. I personally do not think its a cop out if parents like myself think its a last resort. If others are just doing it so they dont need to spend time with the children then thats another story. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/8/2007 4:45:13 PM | Fish,
I have been trying to convince my ex and her doctor this is the case. I have scoured the web and not come up with any credible diet plan. Do you have any suggestions.
Alos, it is NOT a cop out. My son and I are the same. WE have been tested and our minds are almost twice as active as the norm. We are both very smart and he gets great grades except when he is not made to sit and do his homework forcefully. Mom has thrown in the towel and we get our first D this period. Basically all due to incomplete homework. I need help as she refuses to let him change residences as the big money evaporates. I offered to pay half, but I need money to support tutors/sitters until I get home as well as food, clothes, etc if he moved here. I want him to succeed and having no real influence directly is frustrating! | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/8/2007 11:07:15 PM | They have found that a large majority of children that were diagnosed early with ADHD have turned out to be Bipolar. As well as being genetic.
The biggest misconception people who have not researched it enough is that they believe that there is no such thing as ADD or ADHD and that all they pills are terrible and make the children into drones. This simply is not true. First it depends on the severity of the case, then the type of medication the doctor put the child on. Parents need to step up at this point and advocate on the child's behalf. Not just listen to the doctors. Research treatments, medications and doctors. As a parent I forced the hospital to make the head of the neurology department the doctor to evaluate testings and even regularly consult when called upon.
My son was diagnosed ADHD at 6 years old. It wasn't until years later that I looked into it about myself and found that I to tested off the charts. As you see genetic.
There is no cop out. People need to start taking it seriously. Times are significantly changed since the 70's and 80's when doctors were handing meds out like candy.
Just don't be closed minded because you may not fully understand. Educate yourself, and I encourage researching the subject. Don't just look for the negative effects of the meds either. Many people have become much more successful within their lives once they found the right dose and med that worked best for their particular case.
I do like that you took this step to help gather more perspective and information though.
I hope you find what you're looking for. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/9/2007 2:41:40 PM | | Simplelady...how does it feel to be surrounded by all of these incompetent parents and people who were raised by incompetent parents? It must suck. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/9/2007 5:14:01 PM | | Simplelady - you are just the uneducated type I referred to in my earlier post. I agree that parents need to step up and parent. But to blind your eyes to the reality of ADHD, ADD, or any other mentally afflicted disorder. . . well the world bust be very pretty with your rose colored glasses. Ignorance doesn't make things go away or hide the reality of it. Ignorance just clouds the vision from what the world has to behold. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 11/9/2007 6:30:08 PM | | feck dont get too hung up on a "diagnoius". People arent scinetifific there a wonderful creation of life. Whats normal, feck come on your American ? for Christ sake!!!!!!! | |
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