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| | ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out? Page 32 of 34 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34) | My 8 year old daughter was diagnosed with ADD when she was 5 years old by her pediatrician. She was never officially tested. Her doctor put her on Adderall and increased it as she grew. Recently we took her off it to test her ourselves because friends of mine whose children we taking this was saying the emotional outbursts were caused by the dosage or by the meds itself. She was on 30mg. I'm taking her back to the doctor tomorrow to decide if Adderall is the right meds or if we should switch. School has been having trouble with her but not academically. She has not been paying any attention during class. Then when she gets home she has no idea how to do her homework. When she was off the meds completely recently for about 3 wks I had no trouble getting her to sleep but had trouble with her in class. Now that I put her back on it, I can't get her to sleep at night. If you have any suggestions, please let me know.
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Posted: 1/29/2008 11:07:23 PM | this is a very delicate subject but i am glad you brought it up. i am actually a child therapist at a mental health clinic. i also work with children who have developmental delays from birth to 3. at the mental health clinic i work with children from ages 4 to 18. yes i do diagnose children and if parents want medication for their children, we have a psychiatrist who prescribes the meds. i am extremely carefull when diagnosing a child, since i realize that this can be a label that can follow them the rest of their lives.
when i diagnose a child, it is the result of an informed and educated conclusion. as there are no brain scans or blood tests that can isolate or detect ADHD in a child.
my diagnoses are strickly based of current behavior of the child. the parents opinion is the most valuable tool that i use, followed by the teachers or other school personnel.
there are different evaluating tools that are used to help diagnose a child. these tools helps us identity the areas of concerns that parents have regarding their children. adhd wether due to a child's hyperactivity or inatentive type , are one of the most frequent diagnoses given to children. i am not a big advocate for medication but i am not againts it either. from my professional experience i have seen kids improve just based of therapy but i had other children who needed medication. what parents need to know that medication for adhd is a drug which needs to be monitored. i would be careful of just taking my kid to a doctor and putting them on medication without first giving therapy a chance.
my advice to your friend is to take her child to a mental health facility for a throughout psychological evaluation and if need be, individual therapy. after meeting with a proffesional mental health clinician, then you will have a good idea wether or not medication will be needed. good luck to your friend and especially to her child. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 3:47:36 AM | misluvy, my boys' doctor suggested Melatonin for my boys for sleep. I give it to my oldest in the winter, but he is so active in the summer he doesn't need it. My youngest has no problems falling to sleep so I don't give it to him. Check with your doctor and ask if maybe it would help. It's a natural substance, produced by your own brain to aid in sleep and is available over the counter. A lot of third shifters take it. (I wouldn't give it to her without the doctor's permission though.)
I am wondering why your pediatrician started her on meds with no testing? Did he have you and the school fill out some questionnaires at least? It seems odd to me that they would give meds with just an interview.....and I would question it if I were you. No harm in asking why. Those questionnaires are developed and do a pretty good job of pinpointing what you're dealing with. ADD/ADHD is a 'rule out' diagnosis, and if the kid doesn't have it, the paperwork will not support it. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 4:36:07 AM | | adhd is a real condition . it must be diagnosed with more than one doctor . my son has autism a lot of kids with autism also have adhd .im lucky my son does not . but a lot of autistic behaviours can be treated with same medications . i would never allow my son to be medicated ever . when he was younger he wouldnt sleep the docto=r offered drugs to nock him out . i chose to work through it as these drugs can eefect the liver and other organs . you have to have patience and work through things with your child .things improve as the child gets older . my sons diagnoses came from 5 profetionals adhd is the same its watched over time . no way would i allow any drugs near my child diet changes can help with adhd and even autism | |
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Posted: 1/30/2008 9:06:06 PM | Being a mom of two ADHD boys, I have gotten used to a certain amount of doubt, as well critisism. I do, however, feel the diagnosis is handed out to easily by doctors.
But can be properly diagnosed by a knowledgeable physician/psychiatrist. If properly diagnosed and medicated, the child benefits from the medication. If medicated and diagnosed without the need- the medication causes the same affect that illegal drugs would have on a non ADHD person- because the drugs given for ADHD are in fact amphetamines. Amphetamines and stimulants such as caffine (coffee) and sugar (pop) tend to wire normal people. HOWEVER, in a true ADHD child, it has the opposite affect. It calms them and gives them the ability to focus/concentrate, and basically live a somewhat normal life. So my question is- knowing that, would you deny your child medication that makes them able to function? Or do you make your child live in the ADHD state unmedicated (which is basically like a non adhd person on illegal drugs)? It's just completely backwards and odd. You should really do some serious reading on it before you judge though. Because the idea that sugar/caffiene makes an ADHD kid hyper, and people bashing the adhd kids parents and automatically assuming that is the childs problem is just assanine.
But yes,if the child is still hyper after drinking caffine/sugar, I would say probably not ADHD.
My information is from a reliable source, a psyciatrist with way too many degrees, who is passionate about properly diagnosing children. He feels it very crucial to always diagnose kids properly, to evaluate them thoroughly, and know before making the diagnosis. Because a wrong diagnosis doesn't help the child, rather hurts them. And the right diagnosis gives the child access to not only the right medications (if needed), but the right educational plan/help also.
Is ADHD over diagnosed- you bet. But does it exsist- definitely. The sad part, is that children who do have it are some times denied the medication they need, because the parents are wearing blinders. And sometimes parents are too pushy about getting a child without it on meds. There's evil on both sides of the creek.
It just needs to be viewed on a case by case basis. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2008 4:52:00 PM | I was the hugest skeptic till my oldest child started showing all sorts of squirmyness. That was last year....This yr his grades are suffering from his inability to focus. He is on meds now and I dont have a zombie child...he is not out of it..he still has to rely on being well behaved (which he always was) to get through school etc. The only difference is he is able to focus and get school work done faster.
I think all to often people have children with behavior and diet issues and resort to over medicating to manage the children...instead of parenting. This gives ADHD a bad rap as well as the meds. I know first hand that a well behaved child with the right amount of meds can find this will simply add to his ability to concentrate | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 9:54:18 PM | | jessika there are certain kids that need ,forgive me for staying this but drugs.i have a friend that his son is on these drugs and would be uncontrolable if not. even now still in trouble with law. parents just have to be sure that the Dr. they are using is relible and knows the difference in sysmptions. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2008 9:58:21 PM | | not all kids need this even though Dr. say they do. my nefew has a.d.d. but with a little ertra efford he is able to cope wwith it.Dr just have to tell the difference between those who do and don't, not just to drug them and forget them. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 9:22:41 AM | You know, this is such a tricky subject. I had teachers try to lean on the ADD/ADHD thing with my oldest child. I knew my son wasn't pulling his weight in school and wasn't going to buy into the nonsence. It pisses me off how many parents go to one doctor about their kids and try to convince the doc that their kid has ADD, just because the kid may have a couple of symptoms of ADD. My son doesnt have it (although he has his moments where I am like?????), I had him tested, but firmly believe if I tried to push the ADHD with the school and doctor, my son "would have" had it. And the drugs, OMG, dont get me going on that.
Have you seen the recent reports and show regarding people who use some of these drugs, who started as a kid and who are full blown addicts now? Shit. It's called good old fashioned therapy and actually SPENDING TIME with your kids people! | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 9:30:44 AM | I haven't seen those reports, but I have read articles about ADD/ADHD and people with depression not taking their properly prescribed medications and instead self-medicating with drugs and alcohol. They do this, because they truly do have a problem, and feel the need to fix it in whatever way they know how.
Please don't try to guilt these parents into thinking properly administered meds under the supervision of a trained physician is a gateway to addiction. What worked for you might not work for everyone else. Good for you, do what you feel is best for your child. That's what I'm doing too. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 9:39:59 AM |
Please don't try to guilt these parents into thinking properly administered meds under the supervision of a trained physician is a gateway to addiction.
Good points. I firmly believe that some kids can benefit from the drugs, but it has to be like you said, under the supervision of a trained doctor, and the parents have to be very smart and considerate of their childs real needs. The ones who fall for the trend or that let teachers and doctors use ADD as a cop-out for normal childhood behavior just really bursts my bubble! | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 9:48:04 AM |
You should really do some serious reading on it before you judge though. Because the idea that sugar/caffiene makes an ADHD kid hyper, and people bashing the adhd kids parents and automatically assuming that is the childs problem is just assanine.
I'm not sure why you are talking about sugar. It's a carb, and carbs are quick energy. Too much sugar can cause hyperactivity. It also causes a "crash" where your blood sugar drops because it is so quickly digested. That's why carbs should be combined with a complete protein.
Caffeine has actually been shown to increase the ability to concentrate in persons with ADHD. I'm talking about adults here, not children. Caffeine is a stimulant, not unlike Ritalin. However, too much caffeine also can cause insomnia, nervousness, irritability and increased heart rate. This is especially true in children, which is why they don't recommend treating with caffeine.
There have been some studies that show certain dyes used in food (yellow #5, in particular) will actually make ADD/ADHD symptoms worse. Staying away from foods containing both red and yellow dyes AND too much processed sugar can improve a child's behavior and ability to concentrate even if he/she does not have ADD/ADHD.
The rest of your post, I agree with. Except I would say that it's often teachers (who are overworked and underpaid) who push to get kids medicated, not just parents. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 10:41:29 AM |
The ones who fall for the trend or that let teachers and doctors use ADD as a cop-out for normal childhood behavior just really bursts my bubble
Mine too. I have seen people complain that they think their kids have it, when I look at the kid and think they are nuts. I really don't agree though, that doctors just bend to these peoples' will. But I'm almost always on the side of doctors, I've been working for them for 20 yrs. I'm usually on the side of teachers too, because my family is full of them, but I think they are frustrated at large class sizes and not enough staff in the classroom. I can't imagine how it would be at my job if I had 30 little people to try to educate, and one or two were so disruptive every day, at every chance, that the other 28 couldn't learn.
Back in the day, teachers and principals used corporal punishment to deal with that kind of situation (which wasn't right either), but today they got nothin. I feel for them. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 2:55:27 PM | Caffeine has actually been shown to increase the ability to concentrate in persons with ADHD. I'm talking about adults here, not children. Caffeine is a stimulant, not unlike Ritalin. However, too much caffeine also can cause insomnia, nervousness, irritability and increased heart rate. This is especially true in children, which is why they don't recommend treating with caffeine.
My son actually spent most of his first year taking perscription caffeine to make sure he continued breathing. That was one way I discovered it calmed him. He also cried most of his first year. Some of the only calm time I had was right after a dose of his caffeine. So, when he is off his medication and we need something to take the edge off, I KNOW we are safe with a caffeine containing beverage. If he tolerated it as a newborn I am certain he can handle it now.
Back in the day, teachers and principals used corporal punishment to deal with that kind of situation (which wasn't right either), but today they got nothin. I feel for them.
Believe it or not, our school still paddles children. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 4:05:20 PM |
My son actually spent most of his first year taking perscription caffeine to make sure he continued breathing. That was one way I discovered it calmed him. He also cried most of his first year. Some of the only calm time I had was right after a dose of his caffeine. So, when he is off his medication and we need something to take the edge off, I KNOW we are safe with a caffeine containing beverage. If he tolerated it as a newborn I am certain he can handle it now.
Wow. I had no idea that newborns could present with ADHD symptoms. We didn't notice that my daughter had it until she was in school. She's not on meds right now, so I'm hoping she has outgrown the worst of it. We are controlling it via diet, and it seems to be working (she's doing well in school, at least). | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 4:10:16 PM |
Believe it or not, our school still paddles children. If I hadn't heard it from you, fishy, I would not believe it. I know you like to make fun of where you live, but I didn't realize how backwards it really was. That is kinda scary. Do they let you paddle the teachers when they get out of line? lol That might be kind of fun, I know a couple of principals who are just cute enough to spank. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 4:26:47 PM | When my son was in grade 6, his teacher, who had son with ADD, suggested I get him tested for it. His test, done by a certified educational psychologist, came back 100%, no question, based on many, many tests, ADHD. Since he has been taking meds (only while in school) he, himself has noticed a marked difference in his own ability to focus and concentrate.
ADHD and ADD are bonifide disorders of the brain synapses and you are not doing your children any favours by preventing them from taking the medication that can help them during their school years. There is way too much fear mongering about these medications and people will latch on to the first bad news story they hear about medications. Ritalin is not for everyone, but if your child can actually tell you that he notices a benefit of taking the medication vs. not taking it, then who are you going to listen to? | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 4:50:34 PM | If I hadn't heard it from you, fishy, I would not believe it. I know you like to make fun of where you live, but I didn't realize how backwards it really was. That is kinda scary. Do they let you paddle the teachers when they get out of line? lol That might be kind of fun, I know a couple of principals who are just cute enough to spank.
LOL....yeah, when we moved back here from Alaska and had to fill out a consent form to allow them to paddle or not I almost fell over!!!! My children have told me stories of their friends being paddled. It takes a name on the board 3 times and you get paddled if your parents allow it and get a 3 day suspension if they don't. It is pretty harsh. Oh, and our principal is female and even my husband wouldn't really want to spank her. :)
Wow. I had no idea that newborns could present with ADHD symptoms. We didn't notice that my daughter had it until she was in school. She's not on meds right now, so I'm hoping she has outgrown the worst of it. We are controlling it via diet, and it seems to be working (she's doing well in school, at least).
Of course, at the time no one actually knew he had ADHD......the caffeine was because of apnea. However, when he was in the NICU he was on constant valium and demerol so he would calm down enough to actually grow. This was when he weighed less than 2 pounds. I freaked out at first but they finally helped me realize it was the only way to hepl him grow and, ultimately, help him survive. So yeah, his problems showed up from birth. When he was a baby he never slept more than about 10 minutes and he has NEVER taken a single nap since he started sleeping about 5 to 6 hours at night. His body and his mind have never slowed down enough. He actually sleeps better now, on Stratterra, than he ever has. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 7/22/2008 12:43:55 PM | Remembering my childhood and school years I most likely had Attention and Hyperactive disorders and maybe even a bit of Dyslexia thrown into the mix but back then none of it was recognized like in more recent years. I had 5 kids of my own and my current job entails being with school age kids every day I work, so I have had quite a bit of experience observing and working with kids.
There are a lot of posts here, I have not read them all and I may be repeating something already said, ...sorry!
My son, the eldest, has Dyslexia and the next child, a daughter has Attention Deficit and could be hyperactive at times. As someone posted and as I remember of myself and observed of my children, there were things that could be completely concentrated on for hours and other things for not even a minute or two in/by completely natural unassisted mental activity. There had to be a certain kind of coloring to something for it to be interesting. It had to be something new, exciting, intriguing, challenging or even dangerous.
It doesn't seem to be entirely that all of these kids can't concentrate at all but rather what most of them can and can't concentrate on. Ten similar addition or division questions in Math or writing a paragraph in English is usually impossible without turning to some other attention, whereas watching something like a caterpillar for hours or grooming a horse all morning was no problem.
My advice to anyone who faces this problem for either yourself or a child is to get a qualified assessment and better yet 2 or 3 of them if you can. Professionals are reluctant to admit it but brain study and psychology are still in infancy and much assessment is an educated "best guess". After this learn everything you can about it as fast as you can for yourself, so you will at least have some idea of what questions to ask.
Not everything works the same for everyone is an absolute fact.
This might sound strange but Ritalin and the like, are actually stimulants, ...so it is fair to ask why are they given to a child who is already very active? The planned effect is to stimulate a different part of the brain so as to bring all functions to the same level so the whole brain works together with itself and the individuals whole mental energy becomes more focused. Caffeine is a stimulant and that is why some people claim it works in their situation.
For any drug to work the person has to take the medication for it to work and herein is something to be very careful about with a child of any age. Be sure they take it as prescribed.
Here is my story about this:
I don't care who you are or what you think, as soon as your kids start school you lose over 50% of your influence on their mental intake(what they hear and see).
My daughter was prescribed Ritalin. Her mother worked at the clinic where the diagnosing doctor practiced and believed every word he said. Unfortunately he neglected to impart to her everything there was necessary to know about Ritalin and my daughter was trusted to take her own twice daily medication. One in the morning and one just after noon. It is not uncommon for children to know things their parents don't know which the children learn from their pool of peers at school and kids like to have money to spend, the more money the better. At 14 my daughter looked convincingly old enough to by cigarettes and was reselling them to other kids for $1.00 each we found out only because her older brother told on her. She then learned from her peers that she could make money selling her Ritalin so she stopped taking it, only pretending to and lied about it. Because Ritalin is a stimulant when it is taken by a kid who doesn't need it to just come up to par, that other kid gets a high from it. By my daughters behavior it was thought the Ritalin was not working good enough so her dose was increased and she had more to sell. Then she became envious of these other kids getting a buzz from her Ritalin and she didn't. Enter the child drug expert, ....she learned from someone that although the pill when swallowed works over time, if instead she powdered it and snorted it up her nose she could get a buzz from it too. Long before the time I ever found out about this it was already far too late. Problems at school were constant. We put her in a different school to try and give her a fresh start. Two months later she ran away from home in BC all the way to Ontario with the local police chiefs stepdaughter. She phoned her mother asking for money to be sent and told the lie that I had kicked her out. My exe wife was dim witted and believed the girl.  Bad went to worse  my daughter eventually came back(was brought back actually) but would not live at home afraid to face what she had done. Divorce happened and this was a factor. When it all came out in the wash later she had moved from snorting Ritalin to Cocaine and who knows what else. When she ran away it was really to escape her drug debt. I was told it was her drug supplier who dragged her back to pay him. She conned a student loan for $5,000.00, deliberately totaled her car for a cash settlement, stole from her mother and sisters and who knows what else to pay the debt. She then ran out on the student loan, lived between the seams with a string of creeps, was involved in credit card fraud, has been on the run for nearly 10 years from a collection agency. The last thing I have heard of her is that she is still hiding from her debts, always changing menial jobs, working now, of all things, as a live in Nanny and probably getting her remuneration under the table.
Be careful with ADD, ADHD and anything else! Be careful with prescription drugs! ....and .....Be careful with your kids! | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 7/23/2008 6:43:01 AM | My 9 year old son is diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome and ADHD. He gets a low dose of Concerta in the mornings, and a "short release" ritalin in the afternoons. He also gets a multivitamin and a DHA tablet every morning (fish oil which also helps with ADHD), and sees a behavior therapist to learn coping skills.
He tells me that he likes his meds. They help him concentrate at school and he doesn't get into trouble.
However, it is my goal to eventually take him off the meds. I believe that meds are a great BRIDGE while a kid is learning coping mechanisms. Think about it. How difficult would it be to learn ways to cope if you couldn't concentrate long enough to learn? | |
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Posted: 8/28/2008 6:41:28 AM | | I must say your a great parent for trying medication !!i had trouble in school because i was bullied around and i was offten punished for it!!it really seems unfair that someone who stands up for him self is punished while someone who preys on weaker children is let go!!!but on to what im saying,i tend to think i had troubles that needed addressed when i was a child but it went overlooked!!I got really sick when i was 22 i was disagnoised with bipolar and scizofrania!!!which was later changed to scozpaffective disorder!!i take medication everyday and wont go with out it if it can be helped!!!there is a major problem with parents trying to be doctors and diagnoising children themselves!!!i spent 13 years sick and at the hands of my father suffered for being "lazy" and unmotivated and suffered untold mental and emotional abbuse because my father didnt believe that mental illness is actuall a physacal illness that can be seen on an MRI scan so i feel for all the kids out there that suffer for being sick!!!i have a criminal record and have not got to go to school because iwas to sick to learn!!!the only thing that i can pride myself in is the fact that i have worked since i was 16 and i have never failed to support my children!!im on this web sight but find it hard to find a date because of my record and the fact that mentally ill people are still labeled as BAD people!!well iwish you all luck in your lives !!and by the way i was premuture too i wieghed 2 pounds 11 ounces and i survived dont know if that has any affect on my mental health but yes it is correct that most premature babys die,mostly due to the fact that their lungs arent developed !!!luck to all!!! | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/11/2009 6:43:08 PM | The people who really have ADHD actually have different brain function. I am not talking about psychology, I am talking about biology. The Brain is an organ of the body. Organs vary from person to person. Brains vary from person to person. ADHD brains are different than regular brains, it is a proven fact, don't believe the propaganda. You can do therapies and coping mechanisms but they will not give you a normal brain no matter what you do. Stimulants ( caffeine, nicotine, amphetamines ) can change the way the brain functions so that it is a lot closer to normal and you can still do all the non-drug therapies, they won't hurt anything.
There are a lot of adults out there that never got diagnosed or treated, and they survived and got by somehow, and I am one of them. I would tell you that if you have all the symptoms, and stimulants really make you feel better, take the damn stimulants. Its simply worth the risks if you are already an adult. You need to be able to hold onto a job, maintain a relationship, and take care of kids, or else your life is just an existence, and not really a life. Take the stimulants. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/12/2009 4:57:34 PM | The problem with medications is that the medical establishment has started treating them like cures and not the band-aid they are. While I do believe in medication for ADD children (my son is on medication for ADD), there needs to also be significant time teaching children to use their gift as opposed to it using them.
As I child I was diagnosed with ADD and spent many hours in special ed (that horrible banned place in most school systems now) being taught how to use my ADD. The problem now is that special ed teaching is not available to children and parents aren't trained in the methods to teach those skills. Without those classes I am sure that I would have become a problem child and adult heading for jail.
What I have now is trained ADD...which is a gift! I have had up to 10 IM's and four computer programs going at once, a degree in physics, and multi-tasking skills that are unreal. So it is a gift....not a problem. Teaching children to use their gift is the answer...not covering it up with medications because nobody knows how to deal with it. Sadly that is the reality a lot of kids see today...parents who don't know to deal with ADD and school systems that have had their hands tied to deal with it. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2009 11:50:26 AM | First I want to say I did not read all the replys so answering directly to the OP, sorry if I'm being redundant.
These disorders are quite real, but as with everything else in today’s society we abuse everything and use the ADHD and ADD as an excuse so not to deal with misbehaving kid’s. The schools who are desperate for money get more money for each kid that is diagnosed with ADHD or ADD from the government. The doctors are getting kick backs from pharmaceutical companies. The government loves a future constituent that is in a zombie state of mind. Ritalin should be a drug of last resort unfortunately it’s not it has become first resort. | |
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| ADHD and ADD the real thing or a cop out?
Posted: 10/13/2009 12:47:31 PM | It is so way beyond cop out.
I just finished the normal crappy divorce.
Ex is / was so insistent on drugging youngest that she did a zig and then hit me with ADHD Drugs will be prescribed in d papers......
Shorting this up.
I have been fighting and winning, but during this time, kid has doubled in size.
From size 8 to 16 at 10 yrs old.
Was a nationally ranked gymnist, not anymore
She told him that it would be better to take the pills at night and on the weekend to lessen the negative impact.
Have done some pretty indepth research and spent a pretty penny on keeping one of my babies from the DOPE DEALER DOCTORS.
ADD - Created in 1980 by Pharmacy study group.
ADHD - Created in 1987 when sales of Rydaling began to fall and people really were questioning the authority of schools to dope kids.
You can believe in it if you want, but if you really must drug a kid, smoke a joint with them. | |
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